Sub-pound backpacks. [Archive] - WhiteBlaze

Frosty

01-05-2006, 14:57

I'm trying to figure out all the sub-pound (<= 16oz) backpacks currently on the market. Here's my list with list prices.

Fanatic Fringe Alpine Trail Light - 6 oz - $99
Fanatic Fringe Alpine Trail - 7 oz - $89
Fanatic Fringe Thompson Peak - 9.5 oz - $69
Golite Dawn - 14 oz - $80
Gossamer Gear G6 - 3.7 oz - $100
Gossamer Gear G5 - 7.0 oz - $125
Gossamer Gear Mariposa - 14.7 oz - $???
Gossamer Gear G4 - 16.0 oz - $???

Have I missed any? Seems like a pretty small list.I paid $129 for my Gossamer gear Mariposa, and it is the best peice of lightweight gear I bought. Mine is a Large, though, and weighs 17 ounces.

general

01-05-2006, 15:00

i manufacture the AGG 1 under the Black Snake Designs label that's 4 oz. it's good for about 15 -18 pounds, comfortably.

The Solemates

01-05-2006, 15:26

I'm trying to figure out all the sub-pound (<= 16oz) backpacks currently on the market. Here's my list with list prices.

Fanatic Fringe Alpine Trail Light - 6 oz - $99
Fanatic Fringe Alpine Trail - 7 oz - $89
Fanatic Fringe Thompson Peak - 9.5 oz - $69
Golite Dawn - 14 oz - $80
Gossamer Gear G6 - 3.7 oz - $100
Gossamer Gear G5 - 7.0 oz - $125
Gossamer Gear Mariposa - 14.7 oz - $???
Gossamer Gear G4 - 16.0 oz - $???

Have I missed any? Seems like a pretty small list.

thats all i can come up with. there are a few just a couple ounces over the 1lb barrier, like the granite gear wisp, among others, which I heard is nice.

The Solemates

01-05-2006, 15:27

the wisp is 19 ounces.

vipahman

01-05-2006, 16:22

thats all i can come up with. there are a few just a couple ounces over the 1lb barrier, like the granite gear wisp, among others, which I heard is nice.
The Wisp is way over at 1 lb 8 oz. The Virga at 1 lb 3 oz is more like it. But I digress, sub-pound is what I'm interested in.

ronmoak

01-05-2006, 16:25

Also Six Moon Designs Essence Pack (http://www.sixmoondesigns.com/shop/shopexd.asp?id=44), 13 ounces and intro priced at $90. shipping soon.

vipahman

01-05-2006, 16:50

i manufacture the AGG 1 under the Black Snake Designs label that's 4 oz. it's good for about 15 -18 pounds, comfortably.
Website, photos, price? More details!

The Solemates

01-05-2006, 17:38

The Wisp is way over at 1 lb 8 oz. The Virga at 1 lb 3 oz is more like it. But I digress, sub-pound is what I'm interested in.

yea...virga was the one i was thinking about. sorry. wrong name.

The Solemates

01-05-2006, 17:45

Also Six Moon Designs Essence Pack (http://www.sixmoondesigns.com/shop/shopexd.asp?id=44), 13 ounces and intro priced at $90. shipping soon.

ron, but does one size really fit all? i find that, for instance, granite gear packs (such as the vapor trail) are supposed to fit up to 21-22 inch torso lengths as well. having an outfitter measure my torso puts me in this range, but putting on the pack puts the waistbelt uncomfortably too high for my 6'4" frame.

vipahman

01-05-2006, 18:01

ron, but does one size really fit all? i find that, for instance, granite gear packs (such as the vapor trail) are supposed to fit up to 21-22 inch torso lengths as well. having an outfitter measure my torso puts me in this range, but putting on the pack puts the waistbelt uncomfortably too high for my 6'4" frame. Very good question. And the only way to answer it would be to send you (6'4") and me (5'9") a pack each (free of course) to answer that question. :banana

ronmoak

01-05-2006, 18:04

No I don't expect the pack to fit all. I would expect it maybe too short for you, especially if you're pushing the weight. At pack weight of 15 to 18 pounds or less, the effectiveness of waist belts diminish.

I’ll be looking at different sizes in the future. Since this pack has such a unique mixture of features, we wanted to get it out. Plus it’ll take some time for me to work out what sizes to create and how they might affect functioning of the pack.

I’ll have the pack at the Southern Ruck next week so if you’re there you can check it out.

Ron

Zzzzdyd

01-05-2006, 19:09

Go-Lite, Breeze 14 oz. $70 . I think the wgt is for the Med. ? 16 oz's for the lg. I believe ? :o

vipahman

01-05-2006, 19:58

Go-Lite, Breeze 14 oz. $70 . I think the wgt is for the Med. ? 16 oz's for the lg. I believe ? :o
I believe the Breeze is no longer in production. It's not on Golite's website anymore.

Whistler

01-05-2006, 20:28

calearn

01-05-2006, 21:08

Ray Way Backpack kit (http://www.ray-way.com/backpack/index.shtml), 9.5 ounces and $53 plus optional $23 video showing construction.

Zzzzdyd

01-05-2006, 21:49

I believe the Breeze is no longer in production. It's not on Golite's website anymore.

http://www.golitestore.com/store/NS_proddetail.asp?number=PA5000

When I checked here it says "Temporarily Out of Stock" .... :o

vipahman

01-05-2006, 22:06

http://www.golitestore.com/store/NS_proddetail.asp?number=PA5000

When I checked here it says "Temporarily Out of Stock" .... :o
You're right. But I can't get to that page from their 'Packs' page below. http://www.golite.com/products/departments.asp?maincategory=1&type=U. Why have they taken it off their main pack product page?

vipahman

01-05-2006, 22:14

Here's the updated sub-pound backpack list so far. Keep it coming.:clap

Black Snake Designs AGG 1 - 4 oz - $???
Fanatic Fringe Alpine Trail Light - 6 oz - $99
Fanatic Fringe Alpine Trail - 7 oz - $89
Fanatic Fringe Thompson Peak - 9.5 oz - $69
Golite Breeze - 14 oz - $70
Golite Dawn - 14 oz - $80
Gossamer Gear G6 - 3.7 oz - $100
Gossamer Gear G5 - 7.0 oz - $125
Gossamer Gear Mariposa - 14.7 oz - $129
Gossamer Gear G4 - 16.0 oz - $???
Integral Designs Silcoat Backpack - 4.5oz - $60
Moonbow Gearskin - 16oz - $???
Mountain Laurel Designs Prophet 20 - 2.25oz - $65
Mountain Laurel Designs Prophet 30 - 4.25oz - $105
Mountain Laurel Designs Prophet 40 - 12.5oz - $165
Ray Way Backpack Kit - 9.5 oz - $53
Six Moon Designs Essence - 13 oz - $130

vipahman

01-05-2006, 22:28

Mountain Laurel Designs Prophet 20 - 2.25oz - $65
MLD Prophet 30 - 4.25oz - $105
MLD Prophet 40 - 12.5oz - $165

Vaude Rock Ultralight 25 - 14oz - $50
Moonbow Gearskin - 16oz - [custom product]
Integral Designs Silcoat backpack - 4.5oz - $60 [only 1500ci]

-Mark
Very interesting list. But I couldn't find a dealer for Vaude in the US. Do they sell here? If yes, I'll add it to the list.

Whistler

01-05-2006, 23:14

No US dealer that I know of, so perhaps the info wasn't that useful. But online international ordering for the bold, cash-flush, and patient is always an option...

-Mark

The Solemates

01-06-2006, 10:59

Mountain Laurel Designs Prophet 20 - 2.25oz - $65
MLD Prophet 30 - 4.25oz - $105
MLD Prophet 40 - 12.5oz - $165

Vaude Rock Ultralight 25 - 14oz - $50
Moonbow Gearskin - 16oz - [custom product]
Integral Designs Silcoat backpack - 4.5oz - $60 [only 1500ci]

-Mark

they sure have added a lot of stuff since i last checked. i think all they were offering was a tarp several months ago. MLD that is.

vipahman

01-06-2006, 11:03

they sure have added a lot of stuff since i last checked. i think all they were offering was a tarp several months ago. MLD that is.
I emailed Ron Bell for photos and he didn't have any. He said the Prophet 20 is pretty much a smaller, lighter version of the Prophet 30 without the pockets. The Prophet 40 is still a prototype.

HikeLite

01-06-2006, 12:44

Dana Design Kompressor

tlbj6142

01-06-2006, 14:20

No I don't expect the pack to fit all. Interesting pack.

A few questions:

Is the torso length adjustable like the Comet's? Its hard to tell from the dark photo.
Where exactly is the extension collar? I assume the top lid does NOT float, correct?
There are straps on the inside that hold the pad in place, correct? But you can't access the pad without removing the pack's contents, correct? You are able to accomplish this because the pack is a panel loader which gives you full access to the backside of the back of the pack, correct?
How do you access the top lid? Is there a velcro flap somewhere? Can't tell from the dark photo.
Are the hip belt pockets zippered?
Explain how the main compartment is closed. I don't "get" this draw string thing. I assume the 5 buckles on the front side must have something to do with it.
Is the weather flap shown in the photo?Looks like a great idea. Panel loading does make far more sense on a smaller pack.

ronmoak

01-06-2006, 15:33

A few questions:

1) Is the torso length adjustable like the Comet's? Its hard to tell from the dark photo.

No - The shoulder straps are fixed position to reduce weight.

2) Where exactly is the extension collar? I assume the top lid does NOT float, correct?

The extension collar extends out the front of the pack under the weather flap. (See discussion below.) The top pocket does not float. This eliminates the weight of all the extra material and structure needed to support a floating lid. It provides all the function of the lid without the weight. The fixed top pocket also assist to constrain the pad. This addes to the rigidity of the pack and more effective load transfer.

3) There are straps on the inside that hold the pad in place, correct? But you can't access the pad without removing the pack's contents, correct? You are able to accomplish this because the pack is a panel loader which gives you full access to the backside of the back of the pack, correct?

Yes there are straps within the pack to contain the pad and you do need to remove the contents to get to the pad. Since the pack is a panel loader, it's pretty easy to insert and remove the pad.

4) How do you access the top lid? Is there a velcro flap somewhere? Can't tell from the dark photo.

The top pocket is zippered and is accessed from behind your head. This simular to most top lids. (Hope to have professional photos sometime in the near future.)

5) Are the hip belt pockets zippered?

Yes

6) Explain how the main compartment is closed. I don't "get" this draw string thing. I assume the 5 buckles on the front side must have something to do with it.

The light colored material in the photo is the extension collar under the Weather Flap. It has a drawstring closure. It's simular to the opening of a most pack, only it's larger to provide access to the full interior of the pack. It's folds under the Weather Flap.

7) Is the weather flap shown in the photo?

The Weather Flap is the piece of material on the back with the criss crossing compression cord and 5 buckles. The weather flap performs several functions.

a) It keeps rain out of the pack.
b) Its 5 buckles secure it to the pack and keeps the contents of the pack constrained.
c) It can be expanded so you quickly store your warm up jacket in a secure dry place without opening the pack.
d) Its compression cord helps reduce pack size to accomidate different load sizes or can be used to attach additional gear.

Ron

tlbj6142

01-06-2006, 16:43

I get it now. The drawstring clouser is not shown as it is under the black "weather flap". So, if I were to unbuckle the 5 buckles and lift the weather flap, I would see the typical "circular" drawstring clouser, extra material (aka extension collar) and the excess cord (that makes up the drawstring), correct?

Excellent idea. So, the compressiong cord on the weather flap has a dual purpose. It can be used as an external "pocket" or drying rack of sorts, as well as providing stability to excess gear behind the flap both inside the pack (IOW, the "extension collar") and outside the pack (your "keep my jacket dry but available" example above).

It will be interesting to see if this catches on. It definately seems to "solve" some of the minor "day in the life" issues associated with using your typical top loader. And, more importantly, is able to provide a more rigid frame because you have direct access to the straps which will secure the pad to the pack's back side. Both of those "problems" are all too common with the typical toploader rucksack style of UL pack.

Seems like you could "do away" with the weather flap and just roll-up the drawstring closure (like most folks do with top loading drawstring packs) under some sort of compression strap, or latching, system on the front. That would keep the water out, allow you to hold gear (though not "dry") and possibly get rid of those 5 buckles. Maybe have 2 (bottom corners???) or three (one on each side and one at the bottom) instead. Of course, this setup may not provide as much stability if larger loads are in the "extension collar" as your setup.

I just might have to get me one of these. Let's see if it would fit the way I like my packs to fit. What is the distance between the shoulderstrap attachment point and the centerline of the hipbelt?

vipahman

01-06-2006, 17:32

While front loading is convenient, IMHO it's not a big deal in the UL world. And that's because we ULers have whittled down everything to the bare minimum. If you compare it to a Vapor Trail which has just one big compartment, you might beg for it. But most backpacks offer some outside/pocket storage that takes care of instant access needs.

My Golite Jam (21 oz), from the bottom up, has a sleeping bag, tent, kitchen sack, hygiene+emergency sack, clothes. Food for the current day is in the pocket. Water is via a hydration pipe. I don't have to dig deep. Everything fits in under 1800 ci.

So what's the fuss about.

Ron,
While the Essence is a great idea, lose that weather flap + 5 buckles, saving 2 oz (?) at least. And that should lower the cost too.

ronmoak

01-06-2006, 17:40

I just might have to get me one of these. Let's see if it would fit the way I like my packs to fit. What is the distance between the shoulderstrap attachment point and the centerline of the hipbelt?

18 inches.

>> Seems like you could "do away" with the weather flap and just roll-up the drawstring closure <<

We started out that way, but found the Weather Flap became a structural element that helps to keep the pack from drooping when loaded. All other panel loaders use zippers and the zipper plus a possible compression straps take up the load. They also use a flat fairly stiff material for their closure that has little give and no expansion.

Ron

vipahman

01-06-2006, 17:53

We started out that way, but found the Weather Flap became a structural element that helps to keep the pack from drooping when loaded. All other panel loaders use zippers and the zipper plus a possible compression straps take up the load. They also use a flat fairly stiff material for their closure that has little give and no expansion.
That explains everything.:sun

tlbj6142

01-06-2006, 17:55

So what's the fuss about. Little things. I, too, don't have too much of a problem with the top loader setup, but all too often I find myself digging inside the pack for some thing mid day. Which means I need to remove stuff on top (food, cookware, shelter, etc.).

Ex. Gloves, hat, insulating jacket (fleece or whatever), rain jacket. All of those items I want to be "accessible", but where to put them?

Typically I load my pack with sleeping bag and clothing bag on the bottom, food, stove/pot, first aid, bag-o-everything, rain gear, shelter, etc. next (my pad is typically on the outside for easy access on breaks). Which means I have to remove a few items to reach my warm jacket on break. Or dig out my gloves, etc.

Sure, some of this stuff can go in outside pockets. But it seems by the end of the trip I have 80% of stuff outside the pack, which is a bit odd. Again, its not a big deal, but it could be nicer. It also could be that I need to hike more to become comfortable with a particular system. I also think a few things could be "better" on my current solo pack (Salomon Raid 300).

general

01-06-2006, 19:54

shame on me for not checking back.

The Black Snake Designs AGG 1 is around 1200ci and is $45 at the moment. i think i'm gonna add a beaver tail which will take it up to about 6oz and $55.

neo

01-06-2006, 20:07

calearn

01-06-2006, 20:24

The Golite breeze was discontinued by Golite because they got in a little feud with Ray Jardine and didn't want to pay royalties on it anymore. They have replaced that pack with the Dawn.

neo

01-06-2006, 21:43

The Golite breeze was discontinued by Golite because they got in a little feud with Ray Jardine and didn't want to pay royalties on it anymore. They have replaced that pack with the Dawn.

you can still buy it:cool: neo

calearn

01-06-2006, 22:35

you can still buy it:cool: neo

True, but you better hurry if you want a new Golite Breeze... Golite has now sold out their remaining stock, Golite's preferred dealers have sold out their remaining stock, and the few dealers that still have some in stock probably won't have it for long.

vipahman

01-06-2006, 23:22

Updated list so far:-

Black Snake Designs AGG 1 - 4 oz - $45
Fanatic Fringe Alpine Trail Light - 6 oz - $99
Fanatic Fringe Alpine Trail - 7 oz - $89
Fanatic Fringe Thompson Peak - 9.5 oz - $69
Golite Dawn - 14 oz - $80
Gossamer Gear G6 - 3.7 oz - $100
Gossamer Gear G5 - 7.0 oz - $125
Gossamer Gear Mariposa - 14.7 oz - $130
Gossamer Gear G4 - 16.0 oz - $85
Integral Designs Silcoat Backpack - 4.5oz - $55
Moonbow Gearskin - 16oz - $180
Mountain Laurel Designs Prophet 20 - 2.25oz - $65
Mountain Laurel Designs Prophet 30 - 4.25oz - $105
Mountain Laurel Designs Prophet 40 - 12.5oz - $165
Ray Way Backpack Kit - 9.5 oz - $53
Six Moon Designs Essence - 13 oz - $130

dstenberg1

01-08-2006, 13:17

Where can I find this pack? The Black Snake Designs, I can't find it on the web.

vipahman

01-08-2006, 16:46

Where can I find this pack? The Black Snake Designs, I can't find it on the web.
The 'general' is sworn to secrecy. He can't tell. :rolleyes:

general

01-08-2006, 19:10

Where can I find this pack? The Black Snake Designs, I can't find it on the web.

the AGG 1 is a brand new product, and is available only through me at this point. the Black Snake Designs', Gemini, a two + gear tarp tent, is available through me and is also for sale at Mountain Crossings at Neel's Gap for $150. the gemini is 17 1/2 ounces. i've also got tarps, all sizes and custom too. pack covers as well for $45. pic for gimini attached.

things in development, in production and coming soon:
AGG 2 (the AGG 1 with attached beaver tail)
1 + gear tarp tent not named yet, prototype is 15 oz

i'll get a picture of the AGG 1 pack up soon.

HikeLite

01-09-2006, 11:52

You still left out the Dana Design Kompressor, 1000 cubes at 10 oz.

vipahman

01-09-2006, 12:19

Here's the updated list once again. This time I've also added 3 more columns. Let me know of any mistakes.

Description - Weight - Waistbelt - Main Vol - Total Vol - Cost
Black Snake Designs AGG 1 - 4 oz - ? - 1200 - 1200 - $45
Dana Designs Kompressor - 10 oz - Y - 1000 - 1000 - $39
Fanatic Fringe Alpine Trail Light - 6 oz - N - 2000 - 2400 - $99
Fanatic Fringe Alpine Trail - 7 oz - N - 2000 - 2400 - $89
Fanatic Fringe Thompson Peak - 9.5 oz - Y - 2400 - 3600 - $69
Golite Dawn - 14 oz - Y - 2200 - 2500 - $80
Gossamer Gear G6 - 3.7 oz - N - 2000 - 2000 - $100
Gossamer Gear G5 - 7.0 oz - Y - 2800 - 3800 - $125
Gossamer Gear Mariposa - 14.7 oz - Y - 2900 - 4200 - $130
Gossamer Gear G4 - 16.0 oz - Y - 3100 - 4600 - $85
Integral Designs Silcoat Backpack - 4.5oz - N - 1500 - 1500 - $55
Moonbow Gearskin - 16oz - Y - 2500 - 6500 - $180
Mountain Laurel Designs Prophet 20 - 2.25oz - Y - 1250 - 1250 - $65
Mountain Laurel Designs Prophet 30 - 4.25oz - Y - 1830 - 2130 - $105
Mountain Laurel Designs Prophet 40 - 12.5oz - Y - 2000 - 2420 - $165
Ray Way Backpack Kit - 9.5 oz - N - 2100 - 2500 - $53
Six Moon Designs Essence - 13 oz - Y - 2000 - 3200 - $130

vipahman

01-09-2006, 13:46

Here's the updated list once again. This time I've also added max claimed packable weight. Let me know of any mistakes.

Description - Weight - Max Weight - Waistbelt - Main Vol - Total Vol - Cost
Black Snake Designs AGG 1 - 4 oz - ? - ? - 1200 - 1200 - $45
Dana Designs Kompressor - 10 oz - ? - Y - 1000 - 1000 - $39
Fanatic Fringe Alpine Trail Light - 6 oz - 20 lbs - N - 2000 - 2400 - $99
Fanatic Fringe Alpine Trail - 7 oz - 20 lbs - N - 2000 - 2400 - $89
Fanatic Fringe Thompson Peak - 9.5 oz - 20 lbs - Y - 2400 - 3600 - $69
Golite Dawn - 14 oz - 20 lbs - Y - 2200 - 2500 - $80
Gossamer Gear G6 - 3.7 oz - ? - N - 2000 - 2000 - $100
Gossamer Gear G5 - 7.0 oz - 25 lbs - Y - 2800 - 3800 - $125
Gossamer Gear Mariposa - 14.7 oz - 40 lbs - Y - 2900 - 4200 - $130
Gossamer Gear G4 - 16.0 oz - 30 lbs - Y - 3100 - 4600 - $85
Integral Designs Silcoat Backpack - 4.5oz - 12 lbs - N - 1500 - 1500 - $55
Moonbow Gearskin - 16oz - ? - Y - 2500 - 6500 - $180
Mountain Laurel Designs Prophet 20 - 2.25oz - 12 lbs - Y - 1250 - 1250 - $65
Mountain Laurel Designs Prophet 30 - 4.25oz - 18 lbs - Y - 1830 - 2130 - $105
Mountain Laurel Designs Prophet 40 - 12.5oz - 30 lbs - Y - 2000 - 2420 - $165
Ray Way Backpack Kit - 9.5 oz - ? - N - 2100 - 2500 - $53
Six Moon Designs Essence - 13 oz - 30 lbs - Y - 2000 - 3200 - $130

Bblue

01-09-2006, 14:06

Good job vipahman. I've been looking at this catagory for a while now. I ordered an Essence at the $90 sale price. If it's anywhere near as comfortable as my Vapor Trail I'll be happy.

HikeLite

01-09-2006, 14:34

Dana Designs Kompressor - 10 oz - 12 - N - 800 - 1000 - $39

It has a main body and a smallish non-removable lid that holds maybe 200 cubes. No waistbelt but does have a sternum strap. The above might be about accurate for the pack though the main body probably has a bit less than 1000 cubes due to the lid.

vipahman

01-09-2006, 15:38

Now that this list has evolved substantially, I'd like to whittle down the list using my subjective parameters based on 2-4 day hikes on the AT with a sub-4 lb core weight.

1. Reject overpriced packs. (cost > $150)
2. Reject small packs. (max weight < 15 lbs or total vol < 1500 ci)
3. Reject kits. ('cos I don't know to sew)
4. Reject heavy high volume packs. (weight > 12 oz and total vol > 2500 ci)
5. Reject pack without a waistbelt. ('cos a pound of your shoulder is worth it)

Description - Weight - Max Weight - Waistbelt - Main Vol - Total Vol - Cost
Black Snake Designs AGG 1 - 4 oz - ? - ? - 1200 - 1200 - $45
Dana Designs Kompressor - 10 oz - 12 - N - 1000 - 1000 - $39
Fanatic Fringe Alpine Trail Light - 6 oz - 20 lbs - N - 2000 - 2400 - $99
Fanatic Fringe Alpine Trail - 7 oz - 20 lbs - N - 2000 - 2400 - $89
Fanatic Fringe Thompson Peak - 10.5 oz - 20 lbs - Y - 2400 - 3600 - $69
Golite Dawn - 14 oz - 20 lbs - Y - 2200 - 2500 - $80
Gossamer Gear G6 - 3.7 oz - 15 lbs - N - 2000 - 2000 - $100
Gossamer Gear G5 - 7.0 oz - 25 lbs - Y - 2800 - 3800 - $125
Gossamer Gear Mariposa - 14.7 oz - 40 lbs - Y - 2900 - 4200 - $130
Gossamer Gear G4 - 16.0 oz - 30 lbs - Y - 3100 - 4600 - $85
Integral Designs Silcoat Backpack - 4.5 oz - 12 lbs - N - 1500 - 1500 - $55
Moonbow Gearskin - 16 oz - ? - Y - 2500 - 6500 - $180
Mountain Laurel Designs Prophet 20 - 2.75 oz - 12 lbs - Y - 1250 - 1250 - $65
Mountain Laurel Designs Prophet 30 - 4.9 oz - 18 lbs - Y - 1830 - 2130 - $105
Mountain Laurel Designs Prophet 40 - 13.3 oz - 30 lbs - Y - 2000 - 2420 - $165
Ray Way Backpack Kit - 9.5 oz - ? - N - 2100 - 2500 - $53
Six Moon Designs Essence - 13 oz - 30 lbs - Y - 2000 - 3200 - $130 Today 11:19

That leaves 3 winners:
Fanatic Fringe Thompson Peak which is the cheapest.
Gossamer Gear G5 which is the biggest.
Mountain Laurel Designs Prophet 30 which is the lightest.

What's your opinion of the analysis and outcome so far? Any recommendations would be appreciated.

P.S. I've modified the weights on the MLD bags to add waist belts but didn't do it in the original list because that makes a good reference.

vipahman

01-09-2006, 15:45

Updated the Kompressor and G6.

Description - Weight - Max Weight - Waistbelt - Main Vol - Total Vol - Cost
Black Snake Designs AGG 1 - 4 oz - ? - ? - 1200 - 1200 - $45
Dana Designs Kompressor - 10 oz - 12 - N - 800 - 1000 - $39
Fanatic Fringe Alpine Trail Light - 6 oz - 20 lbs - N - 2000 - 2400 - $99
Fanatic Fringe Alpine Trail - 7 oz - 20 lbs - N - 2000 - 2400 - $89
Fanatic Fringe Thompson Peak - 9.5 oz - 20 lbs - Y - 2400 - 3600 - $69
Golite Dawn - 14 oz - 20 lbs - Y - 2200 - 2500 - $80
Gossamer Gear G6 - 3.7 oz - 15 - N - 2000 - 2000 - $100
Gossamer Gear G5 - 7.0 oz - 25 lbs - Y - 2800 - 3800 - $125
Gossamer Gear Mariposa - 14.7 oz - 40 lbs - Y - 2900 - 4200 - $130
Gossamer Gear G4 - 16.0 oz - 30 lbs - Y - 3100 - 4600 - $85
Integral Designs Silcoat Backpack - 4.5oz - 12 lbs - N - 1500 - 1500 - $55
Moonbow Gearskin - 16oz - ? - Y - 2500 - 6500 - $180
Mountain Laurel Designs Prophet 20 - 2.25oz - 12 lbs - Y - 1250 - 1250 - $65
Mountain Laurel Designs Prophet 30 - 4.25oz - 18 lbs - Y - 1830 - 2130 - $105
Mountain Laurel Designs Prophet 40 - 12.5oz - 30 lbs - Y - 2000 - 2420 - $165
Ray Way Backpack Kit - 9.5 oz - ? - N - 2100 - 2500 - $53
Six Moon Designs Essence - 13 oz - 30 lbs - Y - 2000 - 3200 - $130

vipahman

01-09-2006, 15:51

Good job vipahman. I've been looking at this catagory for a while now. I ordered an Essence at the $90 sale price. If it's anywhere near as comfortable as my Vapor Trail I'll be happy.
Thanks. It has turned out to be an interesting bit of research. Let us know how you like the Essence, though honestly in that weight class I'd be happier buyer with the Dawn. What's your core and total weight requirement?

general

01-09-2006, 19:06

black snake designs AGG 1 has a removeable waist strap with clip. strap not belt. its only 3/4 of an inch wide.

Whistler

01-09-2006, 23:42

That leaves 3 winners:
Fanatic Fringe Thompson Peak which is the cheapest.
Gossamer Gear G5 which is the biggest.
Mountain Laurel Designs Prophet 30 which is the lightest.

What's your opinion of the analysis and outcome so far? Any recommendations would be appreciated.
I think you've ignored comfort, purpose, and performance to a great extent. But you have your own priorities--I'm just indicating that mine are probably not the same.

Choosing from that latest list, I'd go with the Mariposa for high-volume needs [cold, extended trips, or water loads], the Dawn or Essence for general purpose ULing, and the Prophet 20 or 30 for low-volume needs [overnighters, running/high-mileage].

On the upside, most of them are very solid choices!
-Mark

Bblue

01-10-2006, 01:41

What's your core and total weight requirement?

I usually carry about 20 lbs not counting food or water. Top out at just over 30 with food and water for 5-6 days out. I try to go as light as I can and then add back luxury items like camera, book, binoculars and food for my dog. I also usually take a Jetboil.

I've not considered the Dawn before, but will give it a look too. The Mariposa looks interesting to me as well because word is it can carry somewhat heavier loads comfortably.

I'll report back on the Essence.

vipahman

01-10-2006, 15:48

I think you've ignored comfort, purpose, and performance to a great extent. But you have your own priorities--I'm just indicating that mine are probably not the same.

Choosing from that latest list, I'd go with the Mariposa for high-volume needs [cold, extended trips, or water loads], the Dawn or Essence for general purpose ULing, and the Prophet 20 or 30 for low-volume needs [overnighters, running/high-mileage].

Actually comfort and performance are high priority. And the purpose is SUL for 2-4 days. Also, the Prophet 20 and Essence are too new to claim either comfort or performance. Give them a few months and they will probably shine in their categories. Also durability is important. While I don't throw my pack around, I don't want it collapsing under it's own weight either. Would the packs I listed: Thompson Peak, G5 and Prophet 30 be considered durable. I know the G5 ships without warranty.

HikeLite

01-11-2006, 11:26

Yep, don't leave out the Golite Dawn. It is an awesome pack in my opinion and could be made to be under its current weight. You also don't have to use the volume but it's nice to have when you do need it.

vipahman

01-12-2006, 11:48

Updated the AGG 1.

Description - Weight - Max Weight - Waistbelt - Main Vol - Total Vol - Cost
Black Snake Designs AGG 1 - 4 oz - 20 - Y - 1200 - 1200 - $45
Dana Designs Kompressor - 10 oz - 12 - N - 800 - 1000 - $39
Fanatic Fringe Alpine Trail Light - 6 oz - 20 lbs - N - 2000 - 2400 - $99
Fanatic Fringe Alpine Trail - 7 oz - 20 lbs - N - 2000 - 2400 - $89
Fanatic Fringe Thompson Peak - 9.5 oz - 20 lbs - Y - 2400 - 3600 - $69
Golite Dawn - 14 oz - 20 lbs - Y - 2200 - 2500 - $80
Gossamer Gear G6 - 3.7 oz - 15 - N - 2000 - 2000 - $100
Gossamer Gear G5 - 7.0 oz - 25 lbs - Y - 2800 - 3800 - $125
Gossamer Gear Mariposa - 14.7 oz - 40 lbs - Y - 2900 - 4200 - $130
Gossamer Gear G4 - 16.0 oz - 30 lbs - Y - 3100 - 4600 - $85
Integral Designs Silcoat Backpack - 4.5oz - 12 lbs - N - 1500 - 1500 - $55
Moonbow Gearskin - 16oz - ? - Y - 2500 - 6500 - $180
Mountain Laurel Designs Prophet 20 - 2.25oz - 12 lbs - Y - 1250 - 1250 - $65
Mountain Laurel Designs Prophet 30 - 4.25oz - 18 lbs - Y - 1830 - 2130 - $105
Mountain Laurel Designs Prophet 40 - 12.5oz - 30 lbs - Y - 2000 - 2420 - $165
Ray Way Backpack Kit - 9.5 oz - ? - N - 2100 - 2500 - $53
Six Moon Designs Essence - 13 oz - 30 lbs - Y - 2000 - 3200 - $130

ForceTen

01-12-2006, 16:23

Grivel Air Tech 28 Pack
Specs:
Volume: 28 Liters (1680 cu in)
Weight: 405 grams (14 oz)
$40

Sturdy and well designed. Originally meant for alpine climbs but I like to use it for UL hiking.

http://us.st11.yimg.com/store1.yimg.com/I/yhst-3786489705811_1880_148410487

vipahman

01-12-2006, 18:23

Added the Grivel Air Tech 28. It sure is cheap at $40.

Description - Weight - Max Weight - Waistbelt - Main Vol - Total Vol - Cost
Black Snake Designs AGG 1 - 4 oz - 20 - Y - 1200 - 1200 - $45
Dana Designs Kompressor - 10 oz - 12 - N - 800 - 1000 - $39
Fanatic Fringe Alpine Trail Light - 6 oz - 20 lbs - N - 2000 - 2400 - $99
Fanatic Fringe Alpine Trail - 7 oz - 20 lbs - N - 2000 - 2400 - $89
Fanatic Fringe Thompson Peak - 9.5 oz - 20 lbs - Y - 2400 - 3600 - $69
Golite Dawn - 14 oz - 20 lbs - Y - 2200 - 2500 - $80
Gossamer Gear G6 - 3.7 oz - 15 - N - 2000 - 2000 - $100
Gossamer Gear G5 - 7.0 oz - 25 lbs - Y - 2800 - 3800 - $125
Gossamer Gear Mariposa - 14.7 oz - 40 lbs - Y - 2900 - 4200 - $130
Gossamer Gear G4 - 16.0 oz - 30 lbs - Y - 3100 - 4600 - $85
Grivel Air Tech 28 - 14 oz - ? - Y - 1700 - 1700 - $40
Integral Designs Silcoat Backpack - 4.5oz - 12 lbs - N - 1500 - 1500 - $55
Moonbow Gearskin - 16oz - ? - Y - 2500 - 6500 - $180
Mountain Laurel Designs Prophet 20 - 2.25oz - 12 lbs - Y - 1250 - 1250 - $65
Mountain Laurel Designs Prophet 30 - 4.25oz - 18 lbs - Y - 1830 - 2130 - $105
Mountain Laurel Designs Prophet 40 - 12.5oz - 30 lbs - Y - 2000 - 2420 - $165
Ray Way Backpack Kit - 9.5 oz - ? - N - 2100 - 2500 - $53
Six Moon Designs Essence - 13 oz - 30 lbs - Y - 2000 - 3200 - $130

vipahman

03-21-2006, 11:33

Added 2 Marmot and 2 Patagonia packs.
Update price on SMD Essence.

Description - Weight - Max Weight - Waistbelt - Main Vol - Total Vol - Cost
Black Snake Designs AGG 1 - 4 oz - 20 - Y - 1200 - 1200 - $45
Dana Designs Kompressor - 10 oz - 12 - N - 800 - 1000 - $39
Fanatic Fringe Alpine Trail Light - 6 oz - 20 lbs - N - 2000 - 2400 - $99
Fanatic Fringe Alpine Trail - 7 oz - 20 lbs - N - 2000 - 2400 - $89
Fanatic Fringe Thompson Peak - 9.5 oz - 20 lbs - Y - 2400 - 3600 - $69
Golite Dawn - 14 oz - 20 lbs - Y - 2200 - 2500 - $80
Gossamer Gear G6 - 3.7 oz - 15 - N - 2000 - 2000 - $100
Gossamer Gear G5 - 7.0 oz - 25 lbs - Y - 2800 - 3800 - $125
Gossamer Gear Mariposa - 14.7 oz - 40 lbs - Y - 2900 - 4200 - $130
Gossamer Gear G4 - 16.0 oz - 30 lbs - Y - 3100 - 4600 - $85
Grivel Air Tech 28 - 14 oz - ? - Y - 1700 - 1700 - $40
Integral Designs Silcoat Backpack - 4.5oz - 12 lbs - N - 1500 - 1500 - $55
Marmot Aeolus - 12oz - ? - N - 1400 - 1400 - $50
Marmot Kompressor - 10oz - ? - N - 1000 - 1000 - $40
Moonbow Gearskin - 16oz - ? - Y - 2500 - 6500 - $180
Mountain Laurel Designs Prophet 20 - 2.25oz - 12 lbs - Y - 1250 - 1250 - $65
Mountain Laurel Designs Prophet 30 - 4.25oz - 18 lbs - Y - 1830 - 2130 - $105
Mountain Laurel Designs Prophet 40 - 12.5oz - 30 lbs - Y - 2000 - 2420 - $165
Patagonia Lightweight Travel Pack - 10oz - ? - Y - 1200 - 1200 - $65
Patagonia Lightweight Travel Tote - 11.5oz - ? - N - 1350 - 1350 - $70
Ray Way Backpack Kit - 9.5 oz - ? - N - 2100 - 2500 - $53
Six Moon Designs Essence - 13 oz - 30 lbs - Y - 2000 - 3200 - $120

MacGyver2005

03-21-2006, 12:38

The Frantic Finge Thompson Peak you have listed is not completely accurate. The $69, 9.5oz version does not have a hipbelt. For $10 and 1oz you can add the hipbelt. I suppose you could list it in both forms on your list.

Regards,
-MacGyver
GA-->ME

Old Spice

03-21-2006, 15:55

vipahman

03-22-2006, 11:31

vipahman

03-22-2006, 11:42

I assume you are looking at sub-pound packs that have a large enough capacity to thru-hike in? Though it is slightly over 1lb. (20 oz), the ULA Conduit seems like a great pack holding 3200 ci. I'll find out in another few weeks.
The list did start out as sub-pound packs large enough for thru' hiking but then expanded to include all sub-pound packs. The Conduit is 1 1/4 lbs.

vipahman

03-22-2006, 11:43

[quote=vipahman]Added notes column.

Description - Weight - Max Weight - Waistbelt - Main Vol - Total Vol - Cost - Notes
Black Snake Designs AGG 1 - 4 oz - 20 - Y - 1200 - 1200 - $45 -
Dana Designs Kompressor - 10 oz - 12 - N - 800 - 1000 - $39 -
Fanatic Fringe Alpine Trail Light - 6 oz - 20 lbs - N - 2000 - 2400 - $99 -
Fanatic Fringe Alpine Trail - 7 oz - 20 lbs - N - 2000 - 2400 - $89 -
Fanatic Fringe Thompson Peak - 9.5 oz - 20 lbs - Y - 2400 - 3600 - $69 - Waistbelt adds 1.0 oz and $10.
Golite Dawn - 14 oz - 20 lbs - Y - 2200 - 2500 - $80 -
Gossamer Gear G6 - 3.7 oz - 15 - N - 2000 - 2000 - $100 -
Gossamer Gear G5 - 7.0 oz - 25 lbs - Y - 2800 - 3800 - $125 -
Gossamer Gear Mariposa - 14.7 oz - 40 lbs - Y - 2900 - 4200 - $130 -
Gossamer Gear G4 - 16.0 oz - 30 lbs - Y - 3100 - 4600 - $85 -
Grivel Air Tech 28 - 14 oz - ? - Y - 1700 - 1700 - $40 -
Integral Designs Silcoat Backpack - 4.5oz - 12 lbs - N - 1500 - 1500 - $55 -
Marmot Aeolus - 12oz - ? - N - 1400 - 1400 - $50 -
Marmot Kompressor - 10oz - ? - N - 1000 - 1000 - $40 -
Moonbow Gearskin - 16oz - ? - Y - 2500 - 6500 - $180 -
Mountain Laurel Designs Prophet 20 - 2.25oz - 12 lbs - Y - 1250 - 1250 - $65 - Waistbelt adds 0.50 oz.
Mountain Laurel Designs Prophet 30 - 4.25oz - 18 lbs - Y - 1830 - 2130 - $105 - Waistbelt adds 0.65 oz.
Mountain Laurel Designs Prophet 40 - 12.5oz - 30 lbs - Y - 2000 - 2420 - $165 - Waistbelt adds 0.80 oz.
Patagonia Lightweight Travel Pack - 10oz - ? - Y - 1200 - 1200 - $65 -
Patagonia Lightweight Travel Tote - 11.5oz - ? - N - 1350 - 1350 - $70 -
Ray Way Backpack Kit - 9.5 oz - ? - N - 2100 - 2500 - $53 - Stitching required.
Six Moon Designs Essence - 13 oz - 30 lbs - Y - 2000 - 3200 - $120 - Front loader.