MinnesotaSmith Update

[mweinstone]

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[Skidsteer]

Crap.

Agent Smith caught Matthewski.

[mweinstone]

*******. back in a moment with new and exciting ,................................................. ...................................

[Dances with Mice]

Mr. Smith hasn't checked in, so I'll change the subject.

Some years ago I was somewhere in the frozen wastes of Germany playing war games in Reforger FTX (Reforger = Return of Forces to Germany; FTX = Field Traning Xercise) where troops from the US came over to fight a pretend cold war across the ancient battlefields of German farms in the Fulda Gap. The games had been going on for over 2 weeks and were now officially over. Rather like a real war, our little company of Combat Engineers were hunkered down outside some village awaiting further orders. Only all the orders were going out to get the big Cav and Infantry units rolling and everybody had forgotten about us little ol' sappers. Finally higher HQ sent word to send all our non-essentials back to home base and leave behind a small cadre to clean up whatever mess was left behind.

I tried my best to convince Top that I was the most non-essential person he'd ever met, that if he looked up 'non-essential' in the dictionary it would have my picture beside the word. Didn't work. So there I was with the heavy equipment platoon and the mechanics and a couple comm guys. Before the cooks pulled out they kicked out a couple cases of frozen steaks, a couple coleman stoves and a griddle. Top announced it was his birthday (a date we all agreed would 'live in infamy') and he roared off in a pickup and returned with a couple cases of beer and some paper plates and stuff so there'd be no K-P. Word got passed through the grapevine and pretty soon all the remains of our Battalion joined with a few more cases of beer and we had a monsterous steak and tater tots and beer birthday party.

And it may have been a pretend cold war but the cold was very real. It was incredibly cold. I woke up the next day and my truck wouldn't start. Nobody else was moving so I trudged through the snow to the mechanics tent. They told me the fuel line probably had water in it and I should take off the bottom fuel line, heat it, blow it out, and replace it. It sounded like a company level repair job to me, they insisted it was operator maintenance. This wasn't a battle I could win. They lent me a couple of wrenches. I scrounged up some empty cardboard boxes, dug my radio out of my duffle, made a left-over steak sandwich and opened a breakfast beer. Life in the field sometimes ain't too bad. I broke down the cardboard boxes and pushed them under the truck to lie on, turned on my radio and found an Armed Forces Radio station, finished my sandwich and made a big dent in the beer, then squirmed under the truck and started taking off the fuel line.

The radio was playing all Beatles songs. One after the other. All Beatles, all the time. I got the fuel line off. It was frozen solid. I took it into the mechanics tent and held the metal fuel line on their gas-fired stove until it melted, then blew out the remains onto the thick layer of hay spread on the floor of the tent. Hey, I never said I was a mechanic, I had offered them the chance to do the job first, I was careful not to blow fuel near where anybody was smoking. They threw me and a couple bales of hay out of the tent. I grabbed another one of their beers on the way out.

I went back to replace the line and the radio was still playing Beatle songs. I'd missed the news when I was inside the tent. Sometime later I'd finished the install, got the truck started and was letting it warm up while I sat inside long enough to claim I'd done all my PM checks. I brought the radio and the second beer inside the cab with me. Then the news came on. I learned why nearly every radio station in the world would be playing Beatles songs that day.

That's where I was Dec 8 1980.

[woodsy]

o.k. DWM, that was the day John Lennon was killed by some wacko looking for attention.
Liked your Fulda Gap story and remember all that REFORGER business in winter time, damn cold place. Not far from there is Bad Hersfeld where my years were spent with the Cav.Them Germans had some good beer huh?

[Lone Wolf]

Mr. Doyle:

Thank you for pointing out, as you say, "the truth of the matter".

But please don't put words in my mouth.....I never said you didn't enjoy hiking or being in the out-of-doors. What I said was I didn't particularly think you enjoyed BACKPACKING which is a very different thing, as you well know.

And speaking of the difference between the two activities, you have been asked, several times, by several different people, how many of your A.T. miles have been achieved WITHOUT a backpack.

So please, in the interest of "the truth of the matter" feel free to inform us of the facts on this. In that you always seem to know EXACTLY how many miles you've hiked on the Trail (at least your hundreds of register entries posting this info would indicate you have a pretty good idea of your mileage statistics), I'm sure you also have a good idea how many of these miles were NOT achieved as a backpacker.

Oh, and if you duck out of answering yet again, we'll be left with one of two conclusions:

1. Either the number of packless A.T.miles is so vast you actually DON'T
know how many you've racked up over the years, or
2. You feel unfortable discussing or being honest about this particular
subject, for reasons left a mystery to us.

But in that Mr. Doyle is evidently interested in "the truth of the matter" I'm sure he'll happily provide the information.

You are a jackass.:rolleyes:

[Lone Wolf]

Calm yourself, Mowgli.

There are any number of reasons perople are curious about this:

Mr. Doyle is an extremely well-known hiker.

He also is a well-known self-promoter.....he never fails to let people know how many times he's hiked, or that he's hiked more miles and has more complete A.T. hikes than anyone else. He posts this information publicly on many occasions, including in his "Member Profile" here on Whiteblaze.

He also boasts of his accumulated A.T. Trail mileage and is the only well known hiker to repeatedly post this figure in Trail registers. I can't think of any other well-known hiker who assumes that their accumulated A.T. is of interest to anyone but themselves; it is only Mr. Doyle who insists on repeatedly sharing this data with the public.

He is very concerned with talking about his Trail accomplishments, Mowgli, but is assiduously dis-ingenuous, in fact, downright dis-honest about what he's really done.

Most folks, Mowgli, as you well know, assume that when one speaks of having hiked the entire A.T., the assumption on the part of the listener is that this was done with a backpack, and that the hiker was reasonably self-sustaining and self-supporting. Most people do not associate automobiles and automotive support with long-distance back-packing. Therfore, for a well-know hiker to crow about his trips, their number, or his total mileage, it is extraordinarily dishonest to avoid mentioning that much, if not most of this A.T. experience came about NOT as a backpacker, but as a walker with car support.

So calm yourself, Mowgli. I'm not obsessed with Mr. Doyle, I assure you. I just wish he'd either stop crowing about his trips unless he's willing to be more honest about them.

And as for my making a "demand" of Mr. Doyle, Mowgli, well the subject of his miles would never have arisen at all had he not taken it upon himself to raise the subject several hundred times a year himself, in registers or elsewhere. By raising the subject, Mowgli, he invites questions and discussion of same. If he's uncomfortable about discussing the details, well perhaps he should be more restrained with his incessant boasting, OK?

And now, since I have no doubt that Mr. Doyle will yet again fail to answer this, I suggest we let this thread get back to Minnesota Smith.

Calm yourself Jackass.:rolleyes:

[Dances with Mice]

o.k. DWM, that was the day John Lennon was killed by some wacko looking for attention.
Liked your Fulda Gap story and remember all that REFORGER business in winter time, damn cold place. Not far from there is Bad Hersfeld where my years were spent with the Cav.Them Germans had some good beer huh?The Germans know how to do beer, yes. Hersfeld had McPheeters Barracks IIRC, right up against the big fence that ain't there no more. Close to Wildflecken ('Wild Chicken') maneuver area where we spent a lot of time driving around in the fog.

May all our future wars be games. Imagine...

[Sly]

LOL... gee.

[woodsy]

Close to Wildflecken ('Wild Chicken') maneuver area where we spent a lot of time driving around in the fog.

..

What I remember about wildflickin besides blowing stuff up was them wild boars:eek: Being a yank, I had never been around them till one dark night:eek: when all of a sudden the roar of hooves and grunts all round scared the be jesus outta me:eek: We shouldn't have been out there smokin that stuff
anyhow:)

[Dances with Mice]

What I remember about wildflickin besides blowing stuff up was them wild boars. Being a yank, I had never been around them till one dark night when all of a sudden the roar of hooves and grunts all round scared the be jesus outta me. We shouldn't have been out there smokin that stuff anyhowTo interpret, what Woodsy is saying is that he was one of those enthusiastic squared-away troops that always volunteered for extra night time guard duty shifts at the guard post furtherest from the CO's tent.;)

Blowing stuff up was fun, tho! Engineers love field expedient shaped charge training. We turned a lot of telephone poles into toothpicks.

Right around that time somebody read a Playboy magazine (!) where they ranked beers and their choice for the world's best turned out to be some monastary near Wildfleck. I don't remember the name. We tracked down the place one weekend with every other GI that read the same article. It was very good, not bad at all, but I couldn't honestly say it was the best.

[minnesotasmith]

He's a 2000-miler, nothing more. There is no higher classification WRT AT hikers. If anyone knows of an ATC designation for a higher # of miles, I'd like to hear of it, with a link.

Think of it this way: if in college you take Cal I ten times, passing it ten times, you still only get credit for one course. You have to take a course with a different ID# (e.g., a different course altogether) to get credit for a second course.
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In other news, I'm heading out of state to go see several good friends over the next 5-6 days. (Dances With Mice is definitely owed a chance to see what one of his staffs looks like after it was along the whole way on a completed thruhike.) This will keep me off the 'puter most of the time.

I did a quick online scan, and there are job openings in every one of my work fields. I figure I'll be able to go back to work as soon as I seriously start applying (like, about 3 days after I get back from this trip).

As far as my readjustment to post-thruhiking goes, I still wake up between 0500 - 0630 virtually no matter what time I go to bed. (I usually am falling on my face at least for a while around 2000-2100 hours, especially once I've had dinner, so my bedtime is still on hiker schedule as well more of the time than not.)

I can't handle noise well at all now. Note that on the AT, I got to where I didn't even like break spots or shelters close to large, loud rivers rushing by. Vacuum cleaners, other people's kids screaming -- I have to leave the scene ASAP.

My cold adaptation remains good, as I'd expect. If there's little wind, temps in the 40s seem to not require any jacket above a short-sleeved shirt (completely different from the longtime residents here who all dress in near-parkas as soon as temps get below the 60s). Frankly, I think I'd sleep better in a dwelling with temps not over 50 F.

I find that I remain obsessive about wanting to know what the weather forecast is, along with cameling up with fluids in the mornings being automatic.

I absolutely cannot get enough worthwhile vegetables, gorging on them at every opportunity. Note that my veggie intake dropped the last 6 weeks I was on the Trail, with not cooking any more then (I can't use my FD broccoli/spinach w/o cooking).

Powdered milk tastes normal now, and butter like an expensive wonderful luxury item.

If someone finds out about my hike, and genuinely wants to hear about it, I now almost always have infinite patience to tell them whatever they want to know about what it was like. My need to talk to other people about it is immense, despite my learning I need to suppress any lengthy discourse about the AT to most people. Most have only about 3 questions in them before they'd rather talk about something else. The exceptions usually seem to be people I know well, people with a previous significant interest in hiking (or at least the outdoors), or people who know someone who's at least attempted a thruhike.

Here are URLs for Florida trail groups: http://www.floridatrail.org/web/index.php
http://westgate.floridatrail.org/

[minnesotasmith]

I've started an outline for my AT book.

[Heater]

I learned a long time ago that it is far better to be a smart hiker rather than a strong hiker, and my 56 y.o. knees appreciate that wisdom.

And I'm still waiting to feel like cat meat. Meow! Meow!

Happy enjoyable trails (whether day hiking or backpacking)!

Interesting.

I have a question.

I will be 49 when I finally have the opportunity to hike the AT and I was wondering what age were you when you last "backpacked" the "ENTIRE" AT? Was it your first one... second... fourth?

There are a number of reasons I ask but mainly, I'm just curious. :-?

Thanks. :sun

[Dances with Mice]

In other news, I'm heading out of state to go see several good friends over the next 5-6 days. (Dances With Mice is definitely owed a chance to see what one of his staffs looks like after it was along the whole way on a completed thruhike.) This will keep me off the 'puter most of the time. Well don't stay away too long. People start bickering amongst themselves without you around. I had to hit them with a long boring Army story to get them to stop. I really don't want to have to do that again.

[woodsy]

Hey Dances,
Good move with the thread diversion even if it wasn't AT or MS related. I think there are some others here(brothers) who served TIME on the Eastern Front and probably you rekindled some memories for them too. Back to MS, it's great to hear him taking an interest in trail maintanence, go MS.

[MOWGLI]

He's a 2000-miler, nothing more. There is no higher classification WRT AT hikers. If anyone knows of an ATC designation for a higher # of miles, I'd like to hear of it, with a link.

Think of it this way: if in college you take Cal I ten times, passing it ten times, you still only get credit for one course. You have to take a course with a different ID# (e.g., a different course altogether) to get credit for a second course.



Yes, but some people take and ace the CAL I class over an intense 3-week summer semester, while others may take the course spread out over a couple of semesters. ;)

Glad to see you're getting involved with the Florida Trail Association. They are looking for volunteers to help build a new segment in Eglin AFB.

[Nean]

Hey Nean, MS didn't actually flip-flop he *leaped frogged* then returned to finish southbound. What would that be called?

I call it a flip- hop.

Next?:D

[Nean]

"Our" friend Ed is a member of Whiteblaze, although not a very active one, so if you're over about 45,000 miles, than you could probably accurately make that claim

You may have missed the "may" in my statement.:eek: Never seen Ed on this site and won't argue that he has more miles, WB member or not. I remember Ed claiming one lady hiked the CDT 3x when she had done day hikes of a few miles here and there on 3 different trips while she and her brother helped/slacked other hikers. "If " he calculates his milage in the same manner, I doubt he has 45, ooo miles.:confused:

My point wasn't miles anyway, but that my opinion was based on lots of experience and reason. ;) Still wondering/asking what others are baseing theirs on and where/why they disagree with my reasoning. The "just because" mentality seems more of an excuse for those who have another agenda.:(

[Nean]

Before people get all hot and bothered about this, this is meant to be light-hearted:

I suspect my knee troubles over the years have more to do with family genetics and the weight of my pack than they do with my insistence on following the white blazes, but I can't help but wonder if my legs would be happier today if I'd done most of my walking from road to road burdened only with my thoughts and a water bottle.

:rolleyes:

Jack, how dare you sell Warren short! You know damn good and well, Jack, that Warren has been known to carry a tangerine as well. Geez, Jack!!!:rolleyes: :D ;)

[Dances with Mice]

Jack, how dare you sell Warren short! It's only fair to warn you that I'm becoming more and more upset about the effect of sports juggling on today's youth.

[mweinstone]

ms?,....ms? is that you?.


ive locked the airlock from this side ms. im sorry i cant let you in. im sorry ms.

[mweinstone]

a matthewski 9000 has never been recorded as having made a mistake ms. im sorry but it must be you who is at fault. im sorry ms i cant unlock the airlock.

[MOWGLI]

FYI, I was at the ATC HQ on Wednesday and saw a photo of MS and matthewski on a bulletin board.

[mweinstone]

for your information, i hate the fraze for your information. i dont have some file called information im gonna add that to. its great to hear you was in da sout. have any hiking?

[Panzer1]

ms?,....ms? is that you?.

ive locked the airlock from this side ms. im sorry i cant let you in. im sorry ms.


Was "2001 A Space Odyssey" just on TV or something?

Panzer

[mweinstone]

minnesota smith update!!!!!!! ms will hike the iat from the bouy to springer!!!!!!!!!!!! and will section the baxter to newfoundland after!!!!!!!!!!

in other news, mothers finest craped out on hiking up from port clinton sunday and wants to hike level from pa 183 blue mt summit if anyone wants to feed and house us were goin for a day hike and need full support.im gonna have to bring my full pack cause i dont touch my trail without it. ill need alot of topos and snowfal charts and bear spray and im trying to locate a dog tazer and i need more orange spraypaint for my sleeping bag. also im bringing mousetraps for my naptime and dryed eel.
one question i have for ms,.. how can i carry my spare staffs? and finnaly ladies and gentlemen,....what are those funney white marks all over the woods? is that what you all are refering to as a blaze? cause here in the city of brotherly love a blaze is what me and mothers finest are gonna have around midday.

[mweinstone]

ms called. he misses the lambasting.

[mweinstone]

ms called. hes marrying the trash truck lady.

[Lone Wolf]

i've never cooked a lamb that needed basting. where did he encounter that on the trail?

[mweinstone]

ms's dog called. he claims he escaped after being trained to kill trail dogs by ms. it seems ms was gonna release this poor brainwashed knine on the trail. his mission was to clear a dog free swath for ms's hike from fla. the dog is resting comfortably and being interveiwed by the spca.

[mweinstone]

attention contrail freaks. there all criss crossed over philly right now.x's in the sky. wanna see? hold on.........

[mweinstone]

see???????????????????

[Lone Wolf]

wow. how rare.

[Mother's Finest]

I will have my axe and gun ready to go tomorrow.

The Govt is up to something in the sky above Philadelphia. So says Matt.

peace
MF

[warren doyle]

"Interesting.
I have a question.
I will be 49 when I finally have the opportunity to hike the AT and I was wondering what age were you when you last "backpacked" the "ENTIRE" AT? Was it your first one... second... fourth?
There are a number of reasons I ask but mainly, I'm just curious. :-?
Thanks. :sun"

Mr. Austexs,

Your question deserves a reply since it seems to be asked in a non-mean-spirited, non-hidden-agenda, non-judgmental, non-internegator type of way. Being an educator, I always admire and respond to genuine curiosity.

I have never backpacked the entire trail on any of my 14 treks (8 thru; 6 section). The closest I came was for about 45% of my first thru in 1973 when I did the trail in 66.3 days ( a record that lasted until 1978). My seven other thrus were the Appalachian Trail Circle Expeditions which had a support vehicle. My 6 section hikes also incorporated supported day hiking to some extent.
I have many wonderful memories and gratitude towards the people who shared my hikes with me - my father, my mother (deceased), my first wife, my son, daughter, my students, staff and friends. I can never exhaust the happy recollections.

Below is a table/chart showing what percentage of my hikes were day hiking and what percentage were backpacking. Please note these are approximations since I neither have the time nor the desire right now to go through all my hiking journals. I plan to do that when I retire and cannot walk anymore.

Year-------Type------% day hike----% backpack-----

1973--Thru---66.3 days--55%---------45%
1975--Thru---109 days---75%---------25% circle=19
1977--Thru---109 days---75%---------25%
1980--Thru---110 days---75%---------25% circle=14
1971-81 Section--?-------10%---------90%
early 1980's Section-?-----10%---------90%
late 1980's Section-?------10%---------90%
1990--Thru---127 days---80%---------20% circle=14 (wheel)
1990-1995--Section-? ----10%---------90%
1995--Thru---127 days---80%---------20% circle=11
1995-2000---Section -?---20%---------80%
2000--Thru---127 days---85%---------15% circle=6
2000-2005--Section--?---25%---------75%
2005--Thru---127 days---85%---------15% circle=3

I plan to finish my 15th traverse of the entire AT on Monday afternoon
April 5, 2010 at Elkville, PA. This is a section hike. I have the support/companionship of my wonderful wife Terry. It definitely has been my most enjoyable and fulfilling section hike.

I plan to finish my 16th traverse of the entire AT atop Katahdin on Saturday morning Sept. 4, 2010. This thru-hike will be as a member of the 2010 Appalachian Trail Circle Expedition, the eighth and probably last group I've organized to do the entire trail.

I have backpacked the Long Trail end-to-end five times, the John Muir Trail twice (the latest being last July), the Wonderland Trail, the Pennine Way in England, parts of the Allegheny Trail, and in numerous backcountry areas in the northeast.

When the opportunity is available to day hike, I take that option even if it means doing the Mahoosucs in one day, the Saddleback/Spaulding/Crocker section, the western Smokies, the eastern Smokies, and sections of the 100-mile 'wilderness'.

When the only option is backpacking, I do it. I enjoy both day hiking and backpacking. The only difference it has made to me in the past is how many miles I can expect to cover in a day (i.e. 18-25 mpd backpacking; 20-30 mpd day hiking).

Thanks for asking the question and I hope I answered it with this post.

[reader hiker]

Hello there. I'm an occassional browser here and am considering a thru-read of this interesting thread. Before I commit myself to such a journey, I'd like the advise of more experienced readers.

For one thing, how many posts per day should I attempt at the beginning, to avoid an early injury? What is the average progress for thru-readers who are just starting down this trail? Also, how long do you think it will take to complete a thru-read if I start in the winter months?

What type of food should I take with me on this journey? I plan to snack often and snooze during breaks to keep my energy level up.

Also, I've heard there are some aggressive animals that inhabit the environs of this thread. Are dogs a problem? Should I carry bear spray? What defensive behaviour should I adopt to minimize the chances of attack resultin in injury?

Any other advise is welcome.

[mweinstone]

650amr8martinslane.

[Jack Tarlin]

Warren:

I'm glad you felt Austexs' post (#5339) deserved a reply.

Oddly enough, tho, there was NOTHING whatsoever in your post that directed itself to his question to you, which dealt with your AGE during your last hikes, and not what you carried.

The questions regarding whether you carried a backpack or slackpacked most of your A.T. miles were raised by other folks, and not Austexs.

Be that as it may, thank you for finally letting people know that you've relied extensively on automotive support for most of your A.T. mileage, and have NEVER walked the entire Trail as a long-distance backpacker.

This has long been suspected; thank you for confirming it.

[Heater]

"Interesting.
I have a question.
I will be 49 when I finally have the opportunity to hike the AT and I was wondering what age were you when you last "backpacked" the "ENTIRE" AT? Was it your first one... second... fourth?
There are a number of reasons I ask but mainly, I'm just curious. :-?
Thanks. :sun"

Mr. Austexs,

Your question deserves a reply since it seems to be asked in a non-mean-spirited, non-hidden-agenda, non-judgmental, non-internegator type of way. Being an educator, I always admire and respond to genuine curiosity.

I have never backpacked the entire trail on any of my 14 treks (8 thru; 6 section). The closest I came was for about 45% of my first thru in 1973 when I did the trail in 66.3 days ( a record that lasted until 1978). My seven other thrus were the Appalachian Trail Circle Expeditions which had a support vehicle. My 6 section hikes also incorporated supported day hiking to some extent.
I have many wonderful memories and gratitude towards the people who shared my hikes with me - my father, my mother (deceased), my first wife, my son, daughter, my students, staff and friends. I can never exhaust the happy recollections.

Below is a table/chart showing what percentage of my hikes were day hiking and what percentage were backpacking. Please note these are approximations since I neither have the time nor the desire right now to go through all my hiking journals. I plan to do that when I retire and cannot walk anymore.

Year-------Type------% day hike----% backpack-----

1973--Thru---66.3 days--55%---------45%
1975--Thru---109 days---75%---------25% circle=19
1977--Thru---109 days---75%---------25%
1980--Thru---110 days---75%---------25% circle=14
1971-81 Section--?-------10%---------90%
early 1980's Section-?-----10%---------90%
late 1980's Section-?------10%---------90%
1990--Thru---127 days---80%---------20% circle=14 (wheel)
1990-1995--Section-? ----10%---------90%
1995--Thru---127 days---80%---------20% circle=11
1995-2000---Section -?---20%---------80%
2000--Thru---127 days---85%---------15% circle=6
2000-2005--Section--?---25%---------75%
2005--Thru---127 days---85%---------15% circle=3

I plan to finish my 15th traverse of the entire AT on Monday afternoon
April 5, 2010 at Elkville, PA. This is a section hike. I have the support/companionship of my wonderful wife Terry. It definitely has been my most enjoyable and fulfilling section hike.

I plan to finish my 16th traverse of the entire AT atop Katahdin on Saturday morning Sept. 4, 2010. This thru-hike will be as a member of the 2010 Appalachian Trail Circle Expedition, the eighth and probably last group I've organized to do the entire trail.

I have backpacked the Long Trail end-to-end five times, the John Muir Trail twice (the latest being last July), the Wonderland Trail, the Pennine Way in England, parts of the Allegheny Trail, and in numerous backcountry areas in the northeast.

When the opportunity is available to day hike, I take that option even if it means doing the Mahoosucs in one day, the Saddleback/Spaulding/Crocker section, the western Smokies, the eastern Smokies, and sections of the 100-mile 'wilderness'.

When the only option is backpacking, I do it. I enjoy both day hiking and backpacking. The only difference it has made to me in the past is how many miles I can expect to cover in a day (i.e. 18-25 mpd backpacking; 20-30 mpd day hiking).

Thanks for asking the question and I hope I answered it with this post.

Thanks for the reply. I am a little worried about causing permanent debilitating damage to my already bad knees. (5 injuries) I can walk OK but am not sure about extended repetitive 15 mile days. I would like to get input from others that have similar experiences and they don't necessarily have to be older but it helps. Jack was extremely helpful in a P.M. he sent me this morning as well.

I think I will just go as light as possible and maybe earlier in the year to give myself extra time if needed and to lessen the chance of carrying excess water due to dry water sources. Extra time to resupply food often as well. Also the tip from Jack about iceing down at every opportunity was a good one I had not thought about yet.

I am probably just worrying too much. :-?

[Lone Wolf]

Warren:

Be that as it may, thank you for finally letting people know that you've relied extensively on automotive support for most of your A.T. mileage, and have NEVER walked the entire Trail as a long-distance backpacker.

You've been letting us know this here on Whiteblaze just about every day for the last 5 years you moron.:D

[warren doyle]

"The usual chorus will surely chime in, accusing me of having some sort of obsession or vendetta in regards to Mr. Doyle, but I'll risk it."

"This has long been suspected; thank you for confirming it."

[Jack Tarlin]

Yeah, Wolf, but it's nice to finally get official confirmation from the horse's.......... mouth. :D

[warren doyle]

Mr. Austexs,

Your chance of injury is directly related to your hiking pace and/or your pack weight. You have control over both. People usually make the mistake of hiking faster than they should be and/or carrying more weight than they need to. But once again, it is your choice.

Happy trails!

By the way, in case you needed to know my age, I was 23 y.o. on my 1973 hike and will be 60 y.o. at the end of my 15th/16th AT hikes.

[mweinstone]

shut up called. he wants to come over.




i told him cool.

[Lone Wolf]

By the way, in case you needed to know my age, I was 23 y.o. on my 1973 hike and will be 60 y.o. at the end of my 15th/16th AT hikes.

If you're wrong, Jack will correct you. He seems to know more about you than you know about your self. Creepy.:eek:

[mweinstone]

me my me my me. ms!

[Jack Tarlin]

Quick comment:

Mr. Doyle----

Calm yourself. I'm not overly interested in you or what you do. I do believe, however, that you haven't been exactly honest over the years in regards to your hikes; I do believe you give out a lot of lousy advice and do not behave in a way that is in the best interest of the Trail or other hikers; I do believe you can be selfish when it comes to insuring your own needs and pleasuress without regard to how your behavior might affect other people; and lastly, I believe that when it comes to this website,your primary interest is to either self-promote yourself or your commercial enterprises. I do NOT believe your primary interst in Whiteblaze is to freely provide information and asistance to other people, especially newcomers to the Trail.

So in regards to your Post #5367 above, no, I'm not obsessed with you. I assure you I'm more interested in much more interesting subjects than yourself. But as long as you continue to come here and brag about ripping off businesses (as you did several days ago in regards to movie theaters), or when you repeatedly tell people it's cool to go into restaurants and beg for free food......well as long as you continue to do that, Warren, you're gonna hear from me.

It's bad enough for ANYONE to come on an Internet Forum and give advice like that, especially to newcomers to the Trail. It's much worse, tho, when it's a well-known, and in some circles, "respected" hiker who is saying such things.

As long as you keep popping in now and again to peddle your wares, dissemble about your accomplishments, or plain and simply give people lousy----and in some cases, dangerous----advice, well, you're gonna keep hearing from me.

Merry Christmas.

[Heater]

shut up called. he wants to come over.




i told him cool.


Is he going to bring along no you di-ent?

[mweinstone]

see the size of the granade this guys throwin?

thats how much bang i wanna get out of my minnesota smith bucks. gabish? more jabin less blabbin. back to whos a thru hiking god.

[Heater]

see the size of the granade this guys throwin?

thats how much bang i wanna get out of my minnesota smith bucks. gabish? more jabin less blabbin. back to whos a thru hiking god.

shut up is a hiking goooood! :p

[mweinstone]

got bad clout? hi! im matthewski. the fixer. i can fix your image here in the community. look at our long list of happy customers including minnesota smith and professer x. so weather your a wyoming skateboarder or a warren doyal,... we can help. if you just need a cool trailname or a total workover,.....come to matthewski's today!

[Dances with Mice]

got bad clout? hi! im matthewski. the fixer. i can fix your image here in the community. look at our long list of happy customers including minnesota smith and professer x. so weather your a wyoming skateboarder or a warren doyal,... we can help. if you just need a cool trailname or a total workover,.....come to matthewski's today!Yeah, 'ski, I've been noticing a problem. Warren doesn't have a Trail Name.

What do you think would be a good Trail Name for him?

Other opinions are invited. Maybe we can make this into a contest? Best Trail Name for WD wins a donation of a monthly banner in that name to WhiteBlaze.

[mweinstone]

it is a far far better thing i do now.

make pbj's for hiking fuel blobs.

some with fluff.

some with jam.

some with stuff.

some with ham.

none with spam. i hate crap in a can.

[emerald]

whos a thru hiking god?

I'm hanging around primarily to see if you are, Matt!

[mweinstone]

i think thats obvious.









the doyal.

[mweinstone]

then he can argue witch is the original. him or the hotel. perfect.

[emerald]

and this one ain't 'bout nothin'. How am I doing?

[emerald]

I always thought The Doyle was named for Warren.

[Dances with Mice]

I always thought The Doyle was named for Warren.Wait. You're saying it isn't?

[emerald]

see the size of the granade this guys throwin?

thats how much bang i wanna get out of my minnesota smith bucks.

I bought your grenade at first glance the first time. I want a refund. Your grenade is an avocado, silly! Nice try, better luck next time.

I guess everyone's night-hiking tonight. Surely there can't be anything worth watching on T.V.:rolleyes:

[emerald]

Well!, if Jack and Warren have kissed and made up, I'm taking tomorrow off and taking a hike!:rolleyes::D By Monday, there's sure to be something happening here again.;)

[Alligator]

Hello there. I'm an occassional browser here and am considering a thru-read of this interesting thread. Before I commit myself to such a journey, I'd like the advise of more experienced readers.

For one thing, how many posts per day should I attempt at the beginning, to avoid an early injury? What is the average progress for thru-readers who are just starting down this trail? Also, how long do you think it will take to complete a thru-read if I start in the winter months?

What type of food should I take with me on this journey? I plan to snack often and snooze during breaks to keep my energy level up.

Also, I've heard there are some aggressive animals that inhabit the environs of this thread. Are dogs a problem? Should I carry bear spray? What defensive behaviour should I adopt to minimize the chances of attack resultin in injury?

Any other advise is welcome.My advice would be to take it slow in the beginning. It's going to depend on what's your usual reading speed. I've got mine set to 40 posts/page, and I found that after two pages, my head was swimming and I risked serious eye strain. My advice is no more than 100 posts a day. You'll need to get your squinting muscles built up. If you're carrying Red Bull, you may not need to resupply much with caffiene. Otherwise, plan on a cup of coffee after about every 40 posts. Don't be a speed reader, relax and enjoy The Thread.

[emerald]

Hello there. I'm an occassional browser here and am considering a thru-read of this interesting thread. Before I commit myself to such a journey, I'd like the advise of more experienced readers.

Any other advise is welcome.

Begin your thru-read as soon as you feel comfortable regardless of the temperature outdoors. Resist the temptation to read too much at one sitting at first and keep in mind only you can judge how much is too much, but better to err on the side of caution than risk injury.

It might be advisable to stay at least one arm's length from your monitor just as a precaution.

Have a great read and be sure to let other readers know about your experiences and how they might benefit from your experience.

[Dances with Mice]

Can anyone be a true Thru-Reader if they skip the Approach Thread?

[Frolicking Dinosaurs]

Do you have to pass every single post number to be a thru-reader?

[weary]

Quick comment: Mr. Doyle---- Calm yourself. I'm not overly interested in you or what you do. .
You coulda surprised me

[Dances with Mice]

Do you have to pass every single post number to be a thru-reader?You should read every post, not just skim ('slack-read') them.

[Alligator]

Most folks read The Thread from post one up. Others will enter in the middle, return to the beginning, then finish at a later date. The truly twisted will read it backwards. It is rumored that only one individual has done this. His name is Matthewski;) .

[Frolicking Dinosaurs]

Are maps or other navigational aids required to navigate The Thread? I've heard of people being lost for days, chased by a Little Bear and a Lone Wolf and roasted by a big ol' teddy bear from Baltimore. Are these things true?

[Lone Wolf]

Are maps or other navigational aids required to navigate The Thread? I've heard of people being lost for days, chased by a Little Bear and a Lone Wolf and roasted by a big ol' teddy bear from Baltimore. Are these things true?

Don't know about no teddy bear from Baltimore. Who might that be.:-?

[emerald]

Are maps or other navigational aids required to navigate The Thread? I've heard of people being lost for days, chased by a Little Bear and a Lone Wolf and roasted by a big ol' teddy bear from Baltimore. Are these things true?

Everything you have heard is true -- and more! You should not undertake to read The Thread unless properly outfitted and fully prepared for this adventure. You may want to read several shorter threads first as it is not really a beginner's thread or suited for those lacking a strong determination and ability to see things completely thru.

[Dances with Mice]

Everything you have heard is true -- and more! You should not undertake to read The Thread unless properly outfitted and fully prepared for this adventure. You may want to read several shorter threads first as it is not really a beginner's thread or suited for those lacking a strong determination and ability to see things completely thru.And don't be afraid to ask for assistance. There are several Thread Angels on-line who are willing to help Thru-Readers.

[emerald]

Do you have to pass every single post number to be a thru-reader?

Only if you want to read the ENTIRE thread, but be advised you could be subjected to scrutiny by those who have read The Thread in its ENTIRETY and have the ability to quote specific posts from memory.

[emerald]

Can anyone be a true Thru-Reader if they skip the Approach Thread?

You raise a good question DWM. I wouldn't think it matters, but I'm not sure who decides such things. FWIW IMHO first post to last post would constitute a thru-read.

[Heater]

Do not click on blue text such as this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DHDKM00TBI&mode=related&search=

That would be "blue clicking" and will take you to a page that is not on "the thread." Although the other page may be easier to view It is strictly prohibited if you are to thru-read "the thread."

[Frolicking Dinosaurs]

But, but, but.... there are some wonderful things to be seen at the end of "blue clicks" Why aren't 'blue clicks' acknowledged as part of The Thread

[terrapin_too]

What type of food should I take with me on this journey? I plan to snack often and snooze during breaks to keep my energy level up.

Also, I've heard there are some aggressive animals that inhabit the environs of this thread. Are dogs a problem? Should I carry bear spray? What defensive behaviour should I adopt to minimize the chances of attack resultin in injury?

Any other advise is welcome.


You need a copy of Wingfoot's Thread Guide. Or download the ALDHA version for free. Just don't mention A L D H A anywhere near Wingfoot or you'll regret it.

[Tha Wookie]

Quick comment:

Mr. Doyle----

So in regards to your Post #5367 above, no, I'm not obsessed with you.

whatever jack we all know you have the teen magazine w/warren on the cover plastered in your locker.

the more you talk.... it just aint good jack.

try and think about something other than warren doyle for five minutes.

there's a whole 'nother world out there jack.

the first step is admitting you have a problem

[The Old Fhart]

DWM-"Can anyone be a true Thru-Reader if they skip the Approach Thread?"There are some of The Thread's purists that argue whether or not you read the Approach Thread is an indicator of whether or not you will complete the ENTIRE Thread. They feel is you have skipped the Approach Thread that has already cheapened your read and you will skip more and more. I personally feel this is not so.

The important thing is to believe in yourself despite the off-topic deluge that may rain on The Thread for days. Remember to RYOR (Read Your Own Read) and not let speed readers or remedials try to drag you into their read. You should also strive to leave The Thread in better condition than you found it for those who will read The Thread after you. For instance, if The Thread is closed by the Admin’s for maintenance, don’t try to hack into The Thread because that only shows a lack of character and is clearly illegal.

I hope your read is successful and that, when you surmount that final sentence, you will have enjoyed your read. Just don’t expect non-readers, who you will meet after your read, to be as enthralled as you are in The Thread. You will hear things like: “How long did it take you to read it, ten minutes?”; or ”Weren’t you afraid reading it alone?”; or “Did you see any compound sentences?”; or “Do you think it is safe for a single woman to read The Thread?”: or “Would you consider reading The Thread again?”.

[Skidsteer]

I've read The Thread four times and I'm planning my fifth thru-read.

I am Thread trash.

[Frolicking Dinosaurs]

ppsssttt - Guys we need to arrange an intervention for Skids for Thread addiction and Jack for his obsession with Warren Doyle

[Lone Wolf]

[/SIZE]
HE CAN'T BE HELPED!

[rickb]

I've read The Thread four times and I'm planning my fifth thru-read.


SKids is an extremely well-known thread reader

He also is a well-known self-promoter.....he never fails to let people know how many times he's "read the thread", or that he's read more words dnd has more complete perused posts than anyone else.

He also boasts of his accumulated reads and is the only well known thread meister to repeatedly post this figure in Trail Registers. I can't think of any other well-known poster who assumes that their accumulated reads is of interest to anyone but themselves; it is only Mr. Skids who insists on repeatedly sharing this data with the public.

He is very concerned with talking about his readings accomplishments, but is assiduously dis-ingenuous, in fact, downright dis-honest about what he's really done.

Most folks as you well know, assume that when one speaks of having read the entire thread the assumption on the part of the listener is that this was done with one's full attention, and without the TV on in the background.

Most people do not associate laptops on the couch with real thread reading.

Therfore, for a well-know Minesotista to crow about his reads, their number, or his total verbage, it is extraordinarily dishonest to avoid mentioning that much, if not most of this reading came about NOT as dedicated participant, but buy dividing hi attention between the thread and "Deal or no Deal".

So calm yourself, Folks. If Skids is uncomfortable about discussing the details, well perhaps he should be more restrained with his incessant boasting, OK?

I have no doubt that Mr. Skids will yet again fail to answer this, I suggest we let this thread get back to Mr. Tarlin. I mean Mr. Smith.

[Frolicking Dinosaurs]

HE CAN'T BE HELPED!:( Does this mean we are going to have to put him in a home? :(

Rick, careful - you'll get accused of plagiarism.

[Dances with Mice]

Rick, careful - you'll get accused of plagiarism.And sued by a ferret.

[MOWGLI]

You mean "growled at" by a ferret. Don't you?

[MOWGLI]

whatever jack we all know you have the teen magazine w/warren on the cover plastered in your locker.

the more you talk.... it just aint good jack.

try and think about something other than warren doyle for five minutes.

there's a whole 'nother world out there jack.

the first step is admitting you have a problem

Like a moth to a flame. Try as he might, the more he rants & raves, the less some of us believe his stated motives.

Jerry sang it well;

Please don't dominate the rap Jack
If you've got nothing new to say

[Frolicking Dinosaurs]

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b47/lowcarbscoop/Asylum.jpg

[jlb2012]

FD - is that the old MH hospital in Amherst?

[Nightwalker]

Warren:

I'm glad you felt Austexs' post (#5339) deserved a reply.

Oddly enough, tho, there was NOTHING whatsoever in your post that directed itself to his question to you, which dealt with your AGE during your last hikes, and not what you carried.

The questions regarding whether you carried a backpack or slackpacked most of your A.T. miles were raised by other folks, and not Austexs.

Be that as it may, thank you for finally letting people know that you've relied extensively on automotive support for most of your A.T. mileage, and have NEVER walked the entire Trail as a long-distance backpacker.

This has long been suspected; thank you for confirming it.
I'm pretty sure that I've never seen a more jealous, obsessed, has-been bitch in my entire life. Of course, there is my ex-wife.

[Nightwalker]

"The usual chorus will surely chime in, accusing me of having some sort of obsession or vendetta in regards to Mr. Doyle, but I'll risk it."

"This has long been suspected; thank you for confirming it."

Now that's funny, I don't care who you are.

[Nightwalker]

If you're wrong, Jack will correct you. He seems to know more about you than you know about your self. Creepy.:eek:

Dang, but this keeps getting funnier and funnier.

[Nightwalker]

HE CAN'T BE HELPED!

A hike might do it.

[saimyoji]

Mr. Chairman: I am considering applying for thru-reader recognition but I have a question. I've read all the Approach Threads, even the ones that were deleted along the way, but one thing I didn't do is if a post was quoted and I could see that the post I was reading and the quote were the same, I often skipped the post and just read the quote with susequent post. Sometimes if it was a quote from a post not visible on my screen, but I remembered what it said, I skipped reading the quote and went right to the post. And there was one time when a post was just all nonsense and jumbled letters and numbers and symbols and I just skipped the whole thing.

Can I still get the patch? :-?

[Dances with Mice]

And there was one time when a post was just all nonsense and jumbled letters and numbers and symbols and I just skipped the whole thing.Many thru-readers have reported the same problem. It is a common complaint among long thread readers. Your vision may return after your thru-read, though some report problems years later.

The Thread Committee is not responsible for checking Thru-Read completeness. You have qualified for the patch but should make an attempt to go back and read any missed portions of The Thread.

[Frolicking Dinosaurs]

FD - is that the old MH hospital in Amherst?It is the now closed Danver State Insane Asylum north of Boston, MA.

[Dances with Mice]

If I may redirect your attention to the subject of The Thread....


I've started an outline for my AT book.He needs a title. Suggestions?

[Hikerhead]

What about "What I liked about the AT". It's a very short book.:)

[MOWGLI]

He needs a title. Suggestions?

How about:

The Days of Whine and Roses: My 9 months on the Appalachian Trail

[Lone Wolf]

"9 Months In The Womb: Rebirth on the AT"

[mweinstone]

link to todays at hike with mothers finest and me on a lookout 4 miles south of pa 183

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWPR0CbiEm0

[mweinstone]

wait a few minuts. i posted the vid on u tube and its still prossesing. about another minute.

[Skidsteer]

If I may redirect your attention to the subject of The Thread....

He needs a title. Suggestions?

HeHe.

You really are a little dickens aren't you? I'll lose sleep tonight thinking of wonderful titles that my conscience won't allow me to post.

[rickb]

If anyone knows of an ATC designation for a higher # of miles, I'd like to hear of it, with a link.

The ATC acknowledges not ony one's first walk by 2000 miles worth of white blazes, but also each subsequent passage by these same blazes.

In the same way an employer acknowleges a wage slave's work with a pay check for each week (or similar pay period), the ATC acknowleges a hiker's multiple thru hikes with multiple 2,000 miler awards.

The only differenceis that the emplyer will issue a W2 at the end of the year totaling your wages. Multiple 2,000 milers hiker must add things up for themselves.

[Skidsteer]

WRT post# 5410:

The author has been added to The "InterThreadnegator's" list.

;)

[The Old Fhart]

FD-"It is the now closed Danver State Insane Asylum north of Boston, MA."Locally it was known as "the castle in the clouds"

[Tha Wookie]

Jerry sang it well;

Please don't dominate the rap Jack
If you've got nothing new to say

yeah, RH was probably talking about The Thread.

I knew the man was a genius -but a visionary?

[Panzer1]

link to todays at hike with mothers finest and me on a lookout 4 miles south of pa 183

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWPR0CbiEm0

Can't find it...

Panzer

[minnesotasmith]

I suppose it was inevitable when The Thread got into triple digits of length.

As far as the 2000-miler designation goes, cannot someone who has thruhiked send off for additional patches (say, if the clothing article they've sewed their patch upon is destroyed)? Anyway, the college course analogy still has validity IMO; no matter how many times someone takes the same course, they don't get any closer to a degree after they have passed it one time.

Some Book titles ideas:

1) "Heavy Hiking: How To Hike The Appalachian Trail With a Pack And/Or Body That Is Larger Than Average"

2) "My Master The WhiteBlaze"

3) "Everything You Always Wanted To Know About Hiking The Appalachian Trail (But No One Would Tell You)"

[Lone Wolf]

Patches and rockers are a dime a dozen. Anybody can buy them from the ATC.

[woodsy]

"a Walk In The Woods With Minnesota Smith"

[Tha Wookie]

Anyway, the college course analogy still has validity IMO; no matter how many times someone takes the same course, they don't get any closer to a degree after they have passed it one time.



That might be true, if the "degree" is the measure of ones knowledge.

It rarely is.

[MOWGLI]

Some Book titles ideas:

1) "Heavy Hiking: How To Hike The Appalachian Trail With a Pack And/Or Body That Is Larger Than Average"

2) "My Master The WhiteBlaze"

3) "Everything You Always Wanted To Know About Hiking The Appalachian Trail (But No One Would Tell You)"

Got a publisher yet, or are you planning to self publish?

[mweinstone]

my name is matthew claude weinstone . any questions comments concerns or opinions may be addressed to, www. what the fucj are we talken about here on the thread .com. its a place ive created for people who want more ms and less bs. hope to see you all there.

hike yesterday with mothers finest was perfect. anyone wants to hike in pa,...come get me first.

[minnesotasmith]

Got a publisher yet, or are you planning to self publish?

I am perfectly aware that self-published books are almost invariably money-losers, so won't go that route. I first have to write up a better outline plus a sample chapter before I can go to a publisher.

[minnesotasmith]

Patches and rockers are a dime a dozen. Anybody can buy them from the ATC.

It's what they signify that's the issue.

[Heater]

my name is matthew claude weinstone . any questions comments concerns or opinions may be addressed to, www. what the fucj are we talken about here on the thread .com. its a place ive created for people who want more ms and less bs. hope to see you all there.

hike yesterday with mothers finest was perfect. anyone wants to hike in pa,...come get me first.

...and what does your hike with mf have to do with ms? :confused:

[Blue Jay]

...and what does your hike with mf have to do with ms? :confused:

I haven't read this thread since 1947 but I also want to know what a brand of flour has to do with a neuromuscular disease.

[MOWGLI]

It's what they signify that's the issue.

What does a patch signify to you?

Based upon your signature, wouldn't a viking helmet be more appropriate than a patch? You could always use it to defend yourself against bears, dogs and women in slacks. ;)

[Dances with Mice]

I am perfectly aware that self-published books are almost invariably money-losers, so won't go that route. I first have to write up a better outline plus a sample chapter before I can go to a publisher.So what's your angle?

It's not a "I went for a hike, had lots of fun and a few problems and met some interesting people along the way" kind of book, is it? There's a few shelves of books like that already out there.

[Mother's Finest]

Minnesota,
Get me a manuscript and I will give it to my friend at Cambridge. I am not joking. What the outcome will be, I have no idea, but he will certainly read it and would likely be glad to.

As to yesterdays fun on the trail in PA---Beautiful day, good hiking, good company. First time on the AT in 13 years, and eight miles on the AT is not the same as eight miles in the Wissahickon gorge....I slept well last night.

peace
mf

[neo]

:D will this thread ever end:cool: neo

[Snow Stomp]

:D will this thread ever end:cool: neo

Will neo ever get in Hillary's pants?

[Gray Blazer]

Will neo ever get in Hillary's pants?Look out for the lock box!!:eek:

[mweinstone]

i love minnesota smith.

[mweinstone]

i love all creaturs great and small.

[Frolicking Dinosaurs]

Look out for the lock box!!:eek:Are you saying the lock box is hidden in Hillary's pants? No wonder it was never found....

[mweinstone]

i would change lives with ms in a second. id even give up my son and my love of god. as long as i could be a thruhiker. thats not tru of course.i will keep my dull crappy non thruhiker life. with the bitchy kid and the jesus freakyness. and i will keep trying to hike the life. its not a trail, its a life when you talk month in and month out.i only need one thru hike's amount of hiking to be able to plan out a life plan. im shell shocked from my life and as much as it sucks to admit,....the trail is the drug i choose to medicate, and a thruhike is the room i wish to heal in. does that make enough sence to get an amen?

[mweinstone]

translation thru the universal debullshikulater:

i wish i was hiking
i wish my son was respectfull of anything.
i wish the off duty cop that got crushed outside my window on his motorcycle today wasnt.
i wish ms was hiking next year . i wish the irs would be stolen by aliens. i wish i didnt miss lonewolf at dots, thereby pissing him off. in a good way though. i wish i had infinite wishes.and off course i wish the minnesota update had more ms. and i wish minnesota smith was embroiled in a big knock down drag out debate on the thread all about toilet paper and that folks would threaten his very caricter to its core and okay thats about enough. im gonna go in the now tepid bath and pray my wishes come true.

[Panzer1]

i wish the off duty cop that got crushed outside my window on his motorcycle today wasnt.

What??? Is that true, or are you just messing? more details please..

Panzer

[Frolicking Dinosaurs]

Prayers for the off-duty policeman - and for the family of my BIL - he lost his mother this morning :(

[Mother's Finest]

Amen for the cop, for the family of FD's BIL, and for the Possum we saw yesterday.

peace
mf

[Nean]

Hello there. I'm an occassional browser here and am considering a thru-read of this interesting thread. Before I commit myself to such a journey, I'd like the advise of more experienced readers.

For one thing, how many posts per day should I attempt at the beginning, to avoid an early injury? What is the average progress for thru-readers who are just starting down this trail? Also, how long do you think it will take to complete a thru-read if I start in the winter months?

What type of food should I take with me on this journey? I plan to snack often and snooze during breaks to keep my energy level up.

Also, I've heard there are some aggressive animals that inhabit the environs of this thread. Are dogs a problem? Should I carry bear spray? What defensive behaviour should I adopt to minimize the chances of attack resultin in injury?

Any other advise is welcome.

Why not gather up (a) folk(s) to sit in a circle and read it with you? :-?
You could have pizza, chinese, etc. delivered.... or rifle through your neighbors garbage for leftovers. Better yet, break into their house while they're gone and help yourself.:eek:
Aftrwards you will need a break. Buy a dingy, call it a ship, and cruise around the world!! Or at least imply that you did. :rolleyes:
Don't worry about the sharks/dogs as they are all bark and no bite.:D

[Frolicking Dinosaurs]

All creatures great and small, we love them because He created all.

[Frolicking Dinosaurs]

I think The Thread should be made into a podcast - then people could quad-crown - by thru-reading The Thread while hiking.

[Dances with Mice]

Why not gather up (a) folk(s) to sit in a circle and read it with you?
You could have pizza, chinese, etc. delivered.... or rifle through your neighbors garbage for leftovers.Nean brings up an interesting question: Is it possible to thru-read The Thread with only 3 to 5 resupplies?

[mweinstone]

this is a hijacking! everyone to the back of the thread now! this threads going down ! nobody posts!



the off duty cop was run over and pushed under another car that had its brakes on. the cop is alive and hurt badly is all i know. the wreckage of the motorcycle he was riding was taken away on a trailer. it had no recognizable cycle left in it. it was about 18 inches by 36 inches. the cops were there till about 20 min ago and it happened at around noon.

[Skidsteer]

Nean brings up an interesting question: Is it possible to thru-read The Thread with only 3 to 5 resupplies?

Personally, I would have no problem thrureading with only 3 to 5 resupplies.... except for the booze dilemna.

I find The Thread requires more than 3 to 5 resupplies for booze.

Especially toward the end of the thruread, when my need for booze increases dramatically.

[Skidsteer]

this is a hijacking! everyone to the back of the thread now! this threads going down ! nobody posts!



the off duty cop was run over and pushed under another car that had its brakes on. the cop is alive and hurt badly is all i know. the wreckage of the motorcycle he was riding was taken away on a trailer. it had no recognizable cycle left in it. it was about 18 inches by 36 inches. the cops were there till about 20 min ago and it happened at around noon.

Sounds like a rotten ordeal Matt. Prayin' for him.

[mweinstone]

i thaught about snaping a shot of it to post but that was a morbid thaught and would be cruel to the familys. i told the cops i was going to pray for the man and he thanked me. i dont know if he was a beliver in christ but it implied he was to be thanked for prayer. allthough i guess i didnt say who i was praying to so who knows. minnesota smith knows.

[mweinstone]

thruthreading the thread requires cashes of equiptment and booze and fuel and food . it also is impossible since no human can withstand such chinnese watertourcherlike tourture for such a sustained period as would be required for a forward thru of the entire thread. any such attempt would result in a mentle breakdown long before the end. if memory searves me,.. noone has ever backread or sectioned more than 200 pages.


if we send our best,..its warren. he must accept the challenge.

[mweinstone]

im not ruleing out the possibility of a supported thruread with group readings at pageheads.


and then of course theres the idea of a fully supported thruread with readers at every post.with the additional support the readers would provide, it may be just possible for a single strong threader to summit.

[mweinstone]

of course the celebrations would be big. ms himself would come out of hiding to congradulate. presidents would send telegrams. children would learn of it in school and a new sport reading sport would be born. the whole world would change for the better and world peace would be within reach all due to the thread.

[mweinstone]

its possible.

[emerald]

I'm content to have section-read what's been written once. I have no desire to thru-read The Thread, with or without support.

I would not read it in a box or with a fox. I know, try it, try it, I will see! No, Matt, really, I do not like that idea. It's just not for me.

[Nightwalker]

I would not read it in a box or with a fox. I know, try it, try it, I will see! No, Matt, really, I do not like that idea. It's just not for me.

You ever see the Sneed privy in VA? Big trip.

[Blue Jay]

thruthreading the thread requires cashes of equiptment and booze and fuel and food .

Unfortunately unlike the AT, the thread causes permanent brain damage.

[Alligator]

Dain Bramage?

[Heater]

thruthreading the thread requires cashes of equiptment and booze and fuel and food.

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[Alligator]

I do have a nursery rhyme stuck in my head...


Up and down the City Road,
In and out the Eagle,
That's the way the money goes
POP! goes the weasel.

[bfitz]

Unfortunately unlike the AT, the thread causes permanent brain damage.

"Got to keep the loonies on the path"....

[bfitz]

I do have a nursery rhyme stuck in my head...................:p

[Frolicking Dinosaurs]

Can you give me any advice for section reading The Thread?

[MOWGLI]

Can you give me any advice for section reading The Thread?

If you put everyone on your ignore list, it goes a lot faster. Kinda like yellow blazing.

[mweinstone]

yo ms? come back to the thread. you were suposed to download and rant when you returned. we all were let down when you fineshed and walked away from the thread. dont do this bro. come back. join us. we are thread.

[Sly]

....

Someone say something? ;):p

[Heater]

Someone say something? ;):p

Do you like ducks?

[Lone Wolf]

Do you like ducks?

www.backwoodsbound.com/zduck10.html

[Heater]

www.backwoodsbound.com/zduck10.html (http://www.backwoodsbound.com/zduck10.html)

Duck nuggets. :-?

Sounds like an insult. :D

[Frolicking Dinosaurs]

If you put everyone on your ignore list, it goes a lot faster. Kinda like yellow blazing.But that kind of defeats the purpose. :D

I was thinking of thru-reading for two to four weeks at a time and then checking into an asylum for R & R (and de-programming). Do you think this would work?

[STEVEM]

I do have a nursery rhyme stuck in my head...


Up and down the City Road,
In and out the Eagle,
That's the way the money goes
POP! goes the weasel.

Now you're in trouble. Suggesting that a Weasel has relationships with an Eagle and financial problems will surely get you sued. You better post a retraction and apology immediately. If you think I'm wrong, ask Teej.

[Panzer1]

Duck nuggets. :-?

Sounds like an insult. :D

What part of the duck does Duck nuggets come from?

Panzer

[Lone Wolf]

The boobies.

[Heater]

What part of the duck does Duck nuggets come from?

Panzer

Dark meat.

[Lone Wolf]

all duck meat is dark meat.

[Heater]

The boobies.

I didn't know ducks had boobies. Is that what makes the float so well?

[Dances with Mice]

yo ms? come back to the thread. you were suposed to download and rant when you returned. we all were let down when you fineshed and walked away from the thread. dont do this bro. come back. join us. we are thread.MS & I have semi-planned a meeting where I'll interview him for (perhaps) the final Thread posting.

We'll now take questions from the audience. What would you like to ask?

[Lone Wolf]

Yes. Ducks are endowed with wonderful breasts.

[Lone Wolf]

MS & I have semi-planned a meeting where I'll interview him for (perhaps) the final Thread posting.

We'll now take questions from the audience. What would you like to ask?

did he spank it much?

[Heater]

did he spank it much?

LMAO......

[Dances with Mice]

did he spank it much?Please raise your hand before asking a question.

... somehow that didn't sound right...

[StarLyte]

did he spank it much?

OMG OMG

i love ya LW

ha ha ha ha

[StarLyte]

Please raise your hand before asking a question.

... somehow that didn't sound right...

If I raise my hands, it will uncover the duck boobies.

Okay, first kwestion is.....

What was your inspiration for this thru hike ?

2nd:

Who/whom was/were your inspiration(s) for and during this thru hike ?

3rd:

How many hours did it take you climb Katahdin ?

4th:

Exactly how many days was your thru hike?

5th:

What/where is your next THRU HIKE ?

[Nightwalker]

www.backwoodsbound.com/zduck10.html

I've always been concerbed as to what part of the bird they get the nuggets from. Do roosters have cloacas?

[Nightwalker]

3rd:

How many hours did it take you climb Katahdin ?


Probably less than it took me. Dang, what a hill.

[Nean]

did he spank it much?


You are going to get me thrown out of the library LW!:o :D :p :eek:

[Frolicking Dinosaurs]

Leave it to LW to get the meat of the matter.

[Heater]

Leave it to LW to get the meat of the matter.

I have a sneaking suspicion we are not talink about boiled liver here! :confused:

[Frolicking Dinosaurs]

I don't know, but I think it should be served with boiled eggs - to serve it any other way would be onanirous.

[Nean]

did he spank it much?

Define "much" :D

[Nean]

The boobies.

You ain't right LW!:eek:

[mweinstone]

the thread is in a flat spin and no engine restart is possible. plumit and crash. thats all we got now.

[Skidsteer]

MS & I have semi-planned a meeting where I'll interview him for (perhaps) the final Thread posting.

We'll now take questions from the audience. What would you like to ask?


did he spank it much?

That would help explain the pack full of TP.

[ed bell]

If there ever was a Sensetive Trail Subject, this has got to be one.:D :eek:

[Panzer1]

What’s with this “PING” thing? It saved a stranded family last month. Sadly, the father died, but the mother and 2 children survived because of a cell phone “ping”. See snippet below:
Panzer




Technology, some lucky text messages and an outdoorsman's intuition helped locate three members of a family stranded in the Oregon backcountry for nine days.
The key to finding Kati Kim and her daughters, police said, was a "ping" from one of the family's cell phones that helped narrow down their location. According to one of two cell phone engineers who honed in on the Kims, the chance of the split-second signal making it through the rugged mountains was "very slim."
"It was just a hunch that we could help. And we followed up on the hunch," said Eric Fuqua, 39, an engineer for Edge Wireless who contacted authorities to offer his services in the search. Edge Wireless provides cell phone coverage in southern Oregon.
Fuqua and his co-worker, Noah Pugsley, started digging through computer records of cell phone traffic Saturday and learned that one of the Kims' cell phones had received two text messages around 1:30 a.m. on Nov. 26, the day after the family was last seen at a restaurant in Roseburg, Ore. The engineers were able to trace a "ping" from the Kims' phone when it received the text messages.
They located not only the cell tower in Glendale, Ore., from which the messages were relayed, but a specific area west of the town where the phone received them. The engineers' sleuthing led searchers to focus on Bear Camp Road. Details of the contents of the text messages and who sent them have not been released.

[bfitz]

I don't know, but I think it should be served with boiled eggs - to serve it any other way would be onanirous.

Oh, the onanity!

[The Old Fhart]

Panzer1-"What’s with this “PING” thing? "Not sure how the phone company defines it but it sounds like a text message was sent and at some point the target cell phone was some place where it could receive the signal from a nearby tower. Once the phone received the message it sent an split-second acknowledgement blip, ping, or signal back through the nearby tower to the phone company so they would know the message was received, the route the signal took to get to the phone, and the time to bill to the phone's usage plan. This 'ping' was traced by the phone company to the tower that had direct contact with the phone and that narrowed the area down. If there were two nearby towers that could contact the phone there might be some means to triangulate to a small area where the phone was. This is just a guess and probably isn't completely accurate. I've seen them do things like this on the CSI TV show in just seconds!

[ARambler]

Not sure how the phone company defines it but it sounds like a text message was sent and at some point the target cell phone was some place where it could receive the signal from a nearby tower. Once the phone received the message it sent an split-second acknowledgement blip, ping, or signal back through the nearby tower to the phone company so they would know the message was received, the route the signal took to get to the phone, and the time to bill to the phone's usage plan. This 'ping' was traced by the phone company to the tower that had direct contact with the phone and that narrowed the area down. If there were two nearby towers that could contact the phone there might be some means to triangulate to a small area where the phone was. This is just a guess and probably isn't completely accurate. I've seen them do things like this on the CSI TV show in just seconds!
My friend Vic thinks OF is 99.44% College Boy;)

[Panzer1]

Then if someone is lost, should you try to send them a text message?

Panzer

[Nightwalker]

GPS type system. Fed gov't madates all cell phones must be gps enabled.

There are some really cool programs that you can add to compatible phones which streams your location live, and can feed it into a website or something..

When I get weather off the net from my phone, the AGPS locater automatically has it forecast the area that I'm in. Way cool.

[Frolicking Dinosaurs]

Here is an article that explains how they were located and tells what to do in an emergency (http://news.com.com/Turning+cell+phones+into+lifelines/2100-1039_3-6140794.html)

[Sly]

Then if someone is lost, should you try to send them a text message?

Panzer

Since THEY can record your conversation in a room with the phone turned off, THEY can probably also track you when THEY want.

http://news.com.com/FBI+taps+cell+phone+mic+as+eavesdropping+tool/2100-1029_3-6140191.html

[Panzer1]

We just got this new cell phone about 6 months ago. The old cell phone worked just fine, i had a charger for the house and one for work and another for the car, with one spare battery. But the salesman got me to buy the new one when he said that the old one did not have the GPS thing and that in an emergency, if I called police for help but didn't know my location I would be screwed. That one feature sold me on a new phone with a 2 year agreement.

We don't have text messaging though. But maybe we should. I thought that was just for kids to play with.

Also, in an emergency I would say it is very important not to let your battery run completely out. It sounds like the"ping" thing won't work with a completely dead battery.

Panzer

[insure ants]

Since THEY can record your conversation in a room with the phone turned off, THEY can probably also track you when THEY want.

http://news.com.com/FBI+taps+cell+phone+mic+as+eavesdropping+tool/2100-1029_3-6140191.html


You're right on target. If the government can locate you remotely by tapping into your cell phone, it can track your every move. Don't forget RFID chips, either, which can be read remotely and linked to the purchaser of the item they're imbedded in. These chips are even being sewn into clothing, with Wal-Mart leading the charge by requiring its largest suppliers to chip all products.

[Frolicking Dinosaurs]

For those concerned about being recorded via the cell phone. If you remove the battery, the mic has no juice and can't be activated. Don't ask how I know this.

[Gray Blazer]

For those concerned about being recorded via the cell phone. If you remove the battery, the mic has no juice and can't be activated. Don't ask how I know this.I can't believe you let the cat out of the bag. Oh well, watch your back (smiley face here).

[The Old Fhart]

The article FD referenced on the phone company's role in the rescue says just about exactly what I said. It had nothing to do with Big Brother, the FBI, or any sinister plot to track every human on earth but is just part of the phone system's infrastructure to aid them in billing you. It also has nothing to do with GPS either. The fact that a text message caused the phone to ping was just a lucky chance and not part of a search effort.

I said: “Not sure how the phone company defines it but it sounds like a text message was sent and at some point the target cell phone was some place where it could receive the signal from a nearby tower. Once the phone received the message it sent a split-second acknowledgement blip, ping, or signal back through the nearby tower to the phone company so they would know the message was received, the route the signal took to get to the phone, and the time to bill to the phone's usage plan. This 'ping' was traced by the phone company to the tower that had direct contact with the phone and that narrowed the area down.”

The article said:"But the most useful information for locating people when they are lost comes when someone has initiated or received a call or text message on their phone. Mobile operators keep records of these events for billing purposes in what is known as a call data record, or CDR. And they can go back to these records to get a historical account of the cell phone's location.

This is actually what authorities used to locate the Kims' phone, according to Eric Anderson, director of engineering for Edge Wireless, a regional mobile operator that provides cellular phone service in the area where the Kims were stranded. One of Edge Wireless' cell phone towers briefly connected with one of the family's phones at about 1:30 a.m. November 26 near Glendale, Ore. The phone was connected long enough to the network to send a notice that there was a voice mail or text message waiting. But the connection didn't last long enough for the Kims to retrieve the message or initiate a call for help.

Still, the connection was long enough that two Edge Wireless engineers, Eric Fuqua and Noah Pugsley, were able to find this information in the CDR to determine that the family was in sector "Z" in the southwestern portion of the cell site's 26-mile radius. Wolf Peak's "Z" sector provides coverage to remote areas with little population and very little cell phone traffic. Using this information, authorities sent out rescue teams, which eventually located Kati Kim and her children.

So, sorry, conspiracy theorists but there is no plot here at all.

[Dances with Mice]

Yet another wilderness experience ruined by a cell phone.

Interesting stuff. I believe this info would be best presented in its own thread. I'm not being a topic cop, I think it's important information and would be more useful, and searchable later, if it had its own heading.

[Panzer1]

You're right on target. If the government can locate you remotely by tapping into your cell phone, it can track your every move. Don't forget RFID chips, either, which can be read remotely and linked to the purchaser of the item they're imbedded in. These chips are even being sewn into clothing, with Wal-Mart leading the charge by requiring its largest suppliers to chip all products.

I believe that these RFID chips can only transmit a signal only a few short feet, just enough to keep track of inventory in a store. I don't believe thay can be used to keep track of peoples movements.

Panzer

[The Old Fhart]

DWM-"Yet another wilderness experience ruined by a cell phone."Ah, we'll have to put a tap on your phone(s)! You may be too young to remember the Ma Bell Phone War, but they still don't take kindly to anyone weaseling, oops, I meant badmouthing the phone system or suggesting people not use phones every 30 seconds. Have you called your mother today?;)

[Frolicking Dinosaurs]

Interesting stuff. I believe this info would be best presented in its own thread. I'm not being a topic cop, I think it's important information and would be more useful, and searchable later, if it had its own heading.Does the articles section contain an article on what measures to take if you find yourself lost? If so, this material should be there. If not, perhaps some of you with expertise in this area would start a thread to solicit ideas for such an article?

[Sly]

The article FD referenced on the phone company's role in the rescue says just about exactly what I said. It had nothing to do with Big Brother, the FBI, or any sinister plot to track every human on earth but is just part of the phone system's infrastructure.....

So, sorry, conspiracy theorists but there is no plot here at all.

No shirt Sherlock. :p Panzer asked a question, I answered with another link that says THEY can tap you if THEY wish. So, if they can tap your phone anytime, the logical conclusion is THEY can track you. :D

[Frolicking Dinosaurs]

I believe that these RFID chips can only transmit a signal only a few short feet, just enough to keep track of inventory in a store. I don't believe thay can be used to keep track of peoples movements.The stronger version - one which has its own power source - can transmit about 300 ft. Having that on your person while hiking might be of benefit provided searchers were aware you had it.

As for its use as a tracking device - that only works in places like hospitals, factories and such where employees are often RFID-tagged to locate them in case of a bio or other hazard event or a fire.

[The Old Fhart]

Sly-"I answered with another link that says THEY can tap you if THEY wish."Sly, there are a lot of things they can do "if THEY wish". My question to you is did that happen in this case? The answer is no.

This conversation may be monitored for quality assurance purposes only.

[Sly]

Sly, there are a lot of things they can do "if THEY wish". My question to you is did that happen in this case? The answer is no.

This conversation may be monitored for quality assurance purposes only.


Yeah, I know THEY didn't use it in this case, I never said THEY did, but THEY probably could in the future! ;)

Waiting for someone to say, "I think you've got it Watson!"

[Dances with Mice]

Damn Them! They're always stirring up trouble! I wish They'd go away!

Or at least tell us where They're hiding all those UFOs.

[Sly]

Damn Them! They're always stirring up trouble! I wish They'd go away!

Or at least tell us where They're hiding all those UFOs.

Don't you watch the movies... :D

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/ufos.html (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/area51.html)

[woodsy]

[quote=Dances with Mice;284793]Yet another wilderness experience ruined by a cell phone.

Heading out the door yesterday with backpack, snowshoes etc. , my other half hands me her chipped cell phone. I politely decline as always and said I'll only be 5 miles back from the highway for *****sake , and have plenty of matches to start fire if I need to spend the night, LOL.
Needless to say, the goon squad was not following me.
I practice NTDH (no tracking device hiking)

[Panzer1]

The stronger version - one which has its own power source - can transmit about 300 ft. Having that on your person while hiking might be of benefit provided searchers were aware you had it.

As for its use as a tracking device - that only works in places like hospitals, factories and such where employees are often RFID-tagged to locate them in case of a bio or other hazard event or a fire.

Then maybe some version of this RFID chip with a longer range would be useful for locating lost people in an emergency. Maybe you could put a version in your car so it could be found in an emergency or carry a credit card sized version on your person so searchers would at least know if they are close to you.

Panzer

[saimyoji]

RFID signal repeaters can be strategically placed throughout the country, amplifying signals or relaying info. via satelite uplink to anywhere THEY might be.

You can run, but you can't hide. :eek:

[Dances with Mice]

RFID signal repeaters can be strategically placed throughout the country, amplifying signals or relaying info. via satelite uplink to anywhere THEY might be. Why would They want to know where They are? Shouldn't They already know that?

I'm so confused.

[Mother's Finest]

I agree Dances. It seems that we are losing her.

They need to know where we are all the time. It is the wheels within wheels theory.

peace
mf

[Dances with Mice]

They need to know where we are all the time. Ohmigawd! I'm married to one of Them!

[Mother's Finest]

I did not think of that, but so am I......what am I to do? Yet another conspiracy problem to ponder.

peace
mf

[saimyoji]

RFID signal repeaters can be strategically placed throughout the country, amplifying signals or relaying info. via satelite uplink to anywhere THEY might be.

You can run, but you can't hide. :eek:

My THEY refers to the THEM previously referred to here. My you refers to you paranoid people afraid of your own clothing. :eek:

THEY/THEM may be tracking YOU via the chips in YOUR clothes, the signal amplified, relayed to wherever THEY/THEM may be.

Is that clear? cular? Now I'm confused. :o

[Dances with Mice]

I'm still confused. What kind of dip goes best with RFID chips?

[Lone Wolf]

I'm still confused. What kind of dip goes best with RFID chips?

Spicy Frumundah cheese dip.

[rcli4]

I really don't care if THEY track me or listen in on my phone calls. They would find that I got up and went to work and came home. If they listen to my calls THEY would find out what I am having for supper and that I love my wife. That's about it. If they listen in when I am home THEY would find out I didn't do half the stuff my wife wanted me to do and my wife burnt the roast. What could THEY possibly want with such top secret information.

Clyde

[woodsy]

Better known as the 1K zone, my Cav outfit manned an observation tower about a quarter mile back from the fence dividing East and West Germany. It was in the middle of the night when staff sgt. Carper told me to sit tight, he'd be back in awhile and to keep an eye on the fence. I knew that crazy sob was up to something devious. About 20 minutes later a white flare went off down on the fence. The lights from the East German side tower came on and sirens wailed, troop vehicles started moving toward our position and lights were shining everywhere. I'm sitting in the tower by myself thinking this nut is trying to start WW111! Sarg comes back huffin and puffin from his mad dash back to the tower, says, look at them idiots down there, what ta heck ails them with a big grin. Things quieted down after a bit and never heard any more about it, It was a bit boring out there, LOL

[Sly]

I really don't care if THEY track me or listen in on my phone calls. They would find that I got up and went to work and came home. If they listen to my calls THEY would find out what I am having for supper and that I love my wife. That's about it. If they listen in when I am home THEY would find out I didn't do half the stuff my wife wanted me to do and my wife burnt the roast. What could THEY possibly want with such top secret information.

Clyde

Well, you see, unless you're a crook, Big Brother has no business listening to your calls. It's in the 4th Amendment...

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

[mweinstone]

Location Settings Your SprintPCS Phone is equipped with a Location feature for use in connection with location-based services thatmay be available in the future. The Location feature allows the network to detectyour position. Turning Location off will hide your location from everyone except911. Note:Even if the Location feature is enabled, no service may use your location withoutyour express permission, unless the service called cannot identify the caller. To turn your phone’s Location feature on or off: 1. Press to access the main menu. 2. SelectSettings. 3. SelectLocation( ). (The Location disclaimer displays.) 4. Read the disclaimer and press OK(leftsoftkey). 5. SelectOnor Off. When the Location feature is on, your phone’s standby screen will display the icon. When Location is turned off, the icon will display. JKL Your Phone’ s Settings

[Panzer1]

I have heard that "they" are comimg up with a new pone service that keeps track of your precise location and also the precise location of your "friends". When you come within a certain distance of a "friend" your phone will notify you and them that you are in close proximity Your "friends" would have to agree to share their location with you thru the phone company inorder for this to work. Of course the phone company will charge you and your "friends" for this service.

Panzer

[Panzer1]

3 Hikers stranded on Mount Hood did not bring a full pack with them. Something went wrong and now they are not prepared. Always take a full pack with you.
Panzer


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16185635/
Kelly James, Brian Hall and Jerry “Nikko” Cooke had planned a quick climb on Mount Hood, traveling light to make the ascent as fast as possible, officials said.

[Lone Wolf]

darwin boys

[RAT]

They are holed up in a snow cave freezing their balls off and will eventually be found when the weather clears. This is the hope and prayers anyways.

RAT

[Heater]

darwin boys

The Puzzleing thing is, They are reportedly "volunteer S&R" members!?

Shoulda known better.

[Dances with Mice]

When I was in Germany way back when THEY installed a new technology for the time. THEY had cameras set at some intersections and on some highways. If you ran a red light or exceeded the speed limit (there are speed limits on autobahns, yes) the camera triggered. You'd get an envelope in the mail with a nice photo of your car showing the front license plate and a clear view of the front seat and driver, a date / time stamp, the location where the photo was taken and a radar reading if applicable. You could fight the ticket (good luck!) or mail in the fine.

And following the Law of Unintended Consequences, the divorce rate went up.

[Skidsteer]

When I was in Germany way back when THEY installed a new technology for the time. THEY had cameras set at some intersections and on some highways. If you ran a red light or exceeded the speed limit (there are speed limits on autobahns, yes) the camera triggered. You'd get an envelope in the mail with a nice photo of your car showing the front license plate and a clear view of the front seat and driver, a date stamp, the location where the photo was taken and a radar reading if applicable. You could fight the ticket (good luck!) or mail in the fine.

And following the Law of Unintended Consequences, the divorce rate went up.

You mean the camera had an angle wide enough to get a shot of the passenger?? :eek:

Bad form, bad form indeed.

[Paul Bunyan]

I am still very suprised this thread is still alive.

[Dances with Mice]

I am still very suprised this thread is still alive.Paul, you're a nice kid and you shouldn't be hanging around this neighborhood this time of night.

[Bravo]

When I was in Germany way back when THEY installed a new technology for the time. THEY had cameras set at some intersections and on some highways. If you ran a red light or exceeded the speed limit (there are speed limits on autobahns, yes) the camera triggered. You'd get an envelope in the mail with a nice photo of your car showing the front license plate and a clear view of the front seat and driver, a date / time stamp, the location where the photo was taken and a radar reading if applicable. You could fight the ticket (good luck!) or mail in the fine.

And following the Law of Unintended Consequences, the divorce rate went up.

THEY have that now in Phoenix. THEY also have camera vans that they park on the side of the road that will get ya. Those vans move around a lot too. THEY are sneaky.

[STEVEM]

3 Hikers stranded on Mount Hood did not bring a full pack with them. Something went wrong and now they are not prepared. Always take a full pack with you.
Panzer


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16185635/
Kelly James, Brian Hall and Jerry “Nikko” Cooke had planned a quick climb on Mount Hood, traveling light to make the ascent as fast as possible, officials said.

I've hiked a little bit on Mt. Hood, mostly tame little trails will below treeline. Mt Washington can easily kill you, but it looks deceptively tame. Mt. Hood doesn't leave any doubt. One look and you know that mountain is a serious place.

From what I've read and seen on TV these guys were qualified to be there, although they may have chosen the most difficult route.

I'm not sure if many remember the 1986 tragedy on Mt Hood. Nine people on a high school outing died climbing the mountain in May.
http://www.traditionalmountaineering.org/Report_Hood_EpiscopalSchool.htm

[Heater]

Paul, you're a nice kid and you shouldn't be hanging around this neighborhood this time of night.

Not without some sort of protection at the very least. Maybe an Axe? :D

[Jan LiteShoe]

THEY have that now in Phoenix. THEY also have camera vans that they park on the side of the road that will get ya. Those vans move around a lot too. THEY are sneaky.

THEY Rule:
http://www.theyrule.net/2004/tr2.php
:)

[Frolicking Dinosaurs]

::: bites Austex on the toe and tucks Paul under the dino wing for safety :::

[minnesotasmith]

http://www.costofsex.com/ (calculating the REAL cost of sex)

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fadbef6a8a (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fadbef6a8a) (
humor video on girlfriend training)

http://www.laddertheory.com/ (a model of what attracts women)

http://www.mensnewsdaily.com/archive/c-e/chapin/2005/chapin112105.htm (part 1 of
the quagmire older women find themselves in today)

http://www.mensnewsdaily.com/archive/c-e/chapin/2006/chapin010206.htm (part 2)

http://www.mensnewsdaily.com/archive/c-e/chapin/2006/chapin020806.htm (part3)

http://www.nogreaterjoy.org/index.php?id=76&tx_ttnews[swords]=Debi%20Pearl&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=198&tx_ttnews[backPid]=118&cHash=cc42f45942 (the 3 types of men and how a woman can make her marriage to each type work; note that AT hikers are probably the second type IMO; is by a Christian woman, and is LONG)

[Frolicking Dinosaurs]

THEY have that now in Phoenix. THEY also have camera vans that they park on the side of the road that will get ya. Those vans move around a lot too. THEY are sneaky.Not as sneaky as this: http://www.phantomplate.com/

[Heater]

::: bites Austex on the toe and tucks Paul under the dino wing for safety :::

Well, I hope it's the left toe. It looks like a toe but it's been busted up and pinned togetether so many times it is not really a toe any longer. I just keep it around for appearances.

:o

[Frolicking Dinosaurs]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fadbef6a8a (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fadbef6a8a) (
humor video on girlfriend training):eek: ::: Bites all ten of MS's toes - hard ::: :eek:

[Bravo]

Not as sneaky as this: http://www.phantomplate.com/

Got that covered. THEY won't get me.

[Dances with Mice]

Not as sneaky as this: http://www.phantomplate.com/ It's a scam (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqMjDyHbhXk&mode=related&search=), ma'am. 30 bucks (https://www65.safesecureweb.com/phantomplate/PP2/products.asp?cat=10)for a can of invisible paint (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sucker)?!

But maybe PT Barnum was right. So here's a special W-B deal just in time for Christmas! For half the Phantomplate price I will sell you a spray can that is 100% guaranteed (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.istoica.com/everyday/images/20051002133447_swear_web.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.istoica.com/everyday/index.php%3Fshowimage%3D112&h=533&w=800&sz=51&hl=en&start=7&tbnid=Jvh2pQrz94OuLM:&tbnh=95&tbnw=143&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dswear%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D) to block all cameras from seeing your plates. (http://cinemasupplies.stores.yahoo.net/krglblsppa16.html)

[Bravo]

It's a scam (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqMjDyHbhXk&mode=related&search=), ma'am. 30 bucks (https://www65.safesecureweb.com/phantomplate/PP2/products.asp?cat=10)for a can of invisible paint (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sucker)?!

But maybe PT Barnum was right. So here's a special W-B deal just in time for Christmas! For half the Phantomplate price I will sell you a spray can of something (http://cinemasupplies.stores.yahoo.net/krglblsppa16.html) that is 100% guaranteed (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.istoica.com/everyday/images/20051002133447_swear_web.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.istoica.com/everyday/index.php%3Fshowimage%3D112&h=533&w=800&sz=51&hl=en&start=7&tbnid=Jvh2pQrz94OuLM:&tbnh=95&tbnw=143&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dswear%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D) to block all cameras from seeing your plates.

That spray seems goofy. I've got a different plate cover that allows you to read all the characters if you're directly behind it. If you look from either side half of the plate is covered up. Most cameras can't get a shot directly behind you.

[bfitz]

Smitty, I never got to finish giving you my analysis of your supposed thinking on women and their place....but I know you really want and will need a strong woman, like the ones on the trail you criticize.

Women truly are better than men. Otherwise, they'd be intolerable.
-Ed Abbey

[mweinstone]

youll all be jellouse when ms hooks up with a comune livin, free thinkin, hippy mamma!

[Lone Wolf]

youll all be jellouse when ms hooks up with a comune livin, free thinkin, hippy mamma!

he'd turn gay before he did that

[Gray Blazer]

youll all be jellouse when ms hooks up with a comune livin, free thinkin, hippy mamma!Too easy to jump on this one. I'm biting my tongue really hard.:rolleyes:

[Frolicking Dinosaurs]

youll all be jellouse when ms hooks up with a comune livin, free thinkin, hippy mamma!::: Standing on fingers so I don't go create something totally inappropriate in photoshop - think woman in tie-dyed clothing holding a whip and leash. :::

[Lone Wolf]

Do it. DO IT!!:banana

[StarLyte]

you know you want to......

you know we want you to.....