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nchiker467
10-21-2006, 22:33
how low temp could i go with a jrb ns as a top quilt a 24" pad?
FanaticFringer
10-21-2006, 22:57
How thick is your pad? What would you be wearing?
Just Jeff
10-22-2006, 10:44
With normal sleeping clothes and adequate bottom insulation, the NS will get me into the 30s.
For the bottom insulation, the thickness and width make a difference. If you're thin and 24" is enough to keep the hammock's sides from compressing the top quilt, it'll work.
Check the chart at the bottom of this page for estimates on pad thickness and low temps.
http://www.speerhammocks.com/Products/SPE.htm
how low temp could i go with a jrb ns as a top quilt a 24" pad?
i have been down to 18 degrees with my wally world 24 in wide pad no problem i used this with my speer 30 degree top quilt and my micro fleece quilt liner:cool: neo
nchiker467
10-22-2006, 15:25
ok thanks, i guesse the ns would be better as a underquilt and loose the pad.wonder if the green would stand out while stealth camping?
FanaticFringer
10-22-2006, 16:01
What will you use for top insulation? I'd use a pad and a NS on top until you possibly decide to get and underquilt. The NS color is not the most stealth of colors for sure. But I'm sure not complaining.
Just Jeff
10-22-2006, 16:06
The Peter-Pan-Green can stick out depending on your site and how stealthy you want to be. If it's a problem, just turn it over so the black side shows.
I generally use the NS as a top quilt no matter what I'm using for bottom insulation. I've used it as an underquilt a few times too, though.
ShakeyLeggs
10-22-2006, 18:07
I agree the No Sniveller is an excellent over quilt. Also like my Nest as an under quilt. I got down below 40 this weekend with it and a sleeping bag as a pad. I will be trying a wallyworld pad in the very near future to see if I can eliminate the sleeping bag.
nchiker467
10-22-2006, 18:35
ill use my ray way top quilt and a ns as a underquilt or would the nest be bettter?Seems like there would be a cold spot where it splits for the HH opening,can the nest be used a jacket/poncho?
Thanks jeff for the idea, to turn it insideout.
i have been down to 18 degrees with my wally world 24 in wide pad no problem i used this with my speer 30 degree top quilt and my micro fleece quilt liner:cool: neo Neo did you use an under quilt with this set up?
FanaticFringer
10-22-2006, 20:41
ill use my ray way top quilt and a ns as a underquilt or would the nest be bettter?Seems like there would be a cold spot where it splits for the HH opening,can the nest be used a jacket/poncho?
Thanks jeff for the idea, to turn it insideout.
I think the NS green would be more stealth in the spring/summer as the green leaves would blend in. Not so sure if the black would be anymore stealth than the green in fall/winter.
nchiker467
10-22-2006, 21:57
bottom insulation seems more imprtain than top so ill spring for a jrb NS and use my rw top quilt. thanks
Just Jeff
10-23-2006, 01:02
The Nest works fine for a top quilt. I've only had it to ~45F, but no cold spots. I can feel the velcro, though - it's not quite as comfy as the NS but it's just as functional.
And it can be worn...just pull it open and wrap it around you. Again, not quite as comfy IMO, but it ventilates better than the NS.
IMHO, the Nest makes a better underquilt for the HH, but the NS is better on top and worn.
Neo did you use an under quilt with this set up?
no just the pad ,but i have used a poncho liner under quilt down to mid 50,s
with no problem and a micro fleece quilt on top:cool: neo
http://whiteblaze.net/forum/vbg/showimage.php?i=11901&catid=member&imageuser=3462
http://whiteblaze.net/forum/vbg/showimage.php?i=11598&catid=member&imageuser=3462
Long feet
10-23-2006, 09:11
This last weekend I used the nest, no-sniveller, and a 22" blue pad. I wore a real light smartwool zip-tee shirt, a poly pro shirt, a light fleece, a patagonia pullover vest, thick smartwool bottoms, convertible pants, and the Jacks hood and sleeves on my feet. It was 26F in SNP. I was sweating. My problem is getting the right balance. I am a cold sleeper, but I have been waking up in the middle of the night sweating. Then I get cold. The no sniveller is great as a top quilt to the 20s for me. But I wear all of my clothes. I think a segmented pad system and a no sniveller will do you well into the 30s at least. With my system, I am getting more confidnet that I can go comfortably into the teens.
nchiker467
10-23-2006, 12:15
I cant afford a nest and a ns, but i can afford one of them.Kinda leaning towards the nest , becuase i already have a RW top quilt, and i need a underquilt now.KAQ would be cheaper, but it looks pretty bulky.Is the only difference between the nest and NS being used as a underquilt, besides the slit for HH enterance?With the NS you just push the quilt back to get in.
ShakeyLeggs
10-23-2006, 12:26
I cant afford a nest and a ns, but i can afford one of them.Kinda leaning towards the nest , becuase i already have a RW top quilt, and i need a underquilt now.KAQ would be cheaper, but it looks pretty bulky.Is the only difference between the nest and NS being used as a underquilt, besides the slit for HH enterance?With the NS you just push the quilt back to get in.
That is a hard decision. If I had to do it over again and could only have one I think I would go with the Nest. They are both pretty versatile. I have both the Nest and No Sniveller. Both can be used as a bottom quilt, top quilt, and worn. But since you have the RW top quilt I would go with the Nest as it is geared more towards being used as a bottom quilt. YMMV
Just Jeff
10-23-2006, 12:27
That's right, NC - the Nest and NS can both be used as underquilts and top quilts. As an underquilt, you just push the NS out of the way and it pops right back into place.
nchiker467
10-23-2006, 14:35
just got back from testing my 24" pad with walmart cheapo 0* bag in my back yard. It was 40*, i stayed warm until i moved of the pad. Then the pad would buckle ect, couldnt move it under me to the right place. Definitely getting a underquilt :)
Long feet
10-24-2006, 07:55
Nchiker,
I would reccomend the nest for an underquilt if you are using a HH. I have found that I get a sag under the knees with a quilt in a HH. The nest will allow you to velcro that part of the nest to the hammock, providing you with a better fit. The only problem then is the slit is partly open. The best solution that I have found in cold weather is to velcro the nest on and use a torso length pad over the whole area. Good luck in your hanging.
peter_pan
10-24-2006, 09:23
Nchiker,
I would reccomend the nest for an underquilt if you are using a HH. I have found that I get a sag under the knees with a quilt in a HH. The nest will allow you to velcro that part of the nest to the hammock, providing you with a better fit. The only problem then is the slit is partly open. The best solution that I have found in cold weather is to velcro the nest on and use a torso length pad over the whole area. Good luck in your hanging.
Just got back from a camping trip in SC...mid 40s and low 50 second nite... as usual.... Nest and NS, polly pro long underwear...had to remove my hat and socks....great sleeping.
For any who feel there is a sag, please re-read the hang instructions on the bag end or on the JRB web site...All sag can be eliminated.
Pan