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johnny quest
01-15-2007, 15:59
i am playing around with my hh and was wondering if anyone has tried putting an eno slapstrap on one end and doing the regular hennesy tie-out on the other? why? well the enos on both end dont seem to offer as much adjustment.
also, any line on very light but strong carabiners for hammocking?
FanaticFringer
01-15-2007, 16:36
Come over to www.hammockforums.net
There has been a good deal of talk over there about slapstraps and such.
I'm looking right now at putting a couple of 12 foot webbing from Speer hammocks on both ends of my Hennessy. I really hate those tree huggers and I think this would simplify things.
hammock engineer
01-15-2007, 23:23
Thats an interesting idea. That would give you the adjustment that I think are the biggest negative to slap straps.
A couple people on HF use slap straps and carabiners. I think as long as it was rating to 1500 lbs or so it would be fine.
johnny quest
01-16-2007, 10:01
ive beeen sleeping in my hh in the back yard the last couple days. we are in the middle of an ice event, pretty impressive by texas standards. iim sleeping warm enough but had a major blowout of my hh hex fly last night. ripped right up the side. i think the wind combined with the incredilbe weight of the ice-laden tarp did it in. anyone got an idea of what to do with half a hexfly?
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Carabiner/HH at .06 Lb. or 0.96 oz each, wire gate, wide end/strap
I use these biners on my HH tie outs: Plenty strong and I think .8oz each. (and cheap too!)
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hammock engineer
01-16-2007, 13:52
ive beeen sleeping in my hh in the back yard the last couple days. we are in the middle of an ice event, pretty impressive by texas standards. iim sleeping warm enough but had a major blowout of my hh hex fly last night. ripped right up the side. i think the wind combined with the incredilbe weight of the ice-laden tarp did it in. anyone got an idea of what to do with half a hexfly?
That must have been some wind and ice. Contact HH and see what they say. They might be able to work something out for you.
If you want a really nice tarp, look into the McCat (http://www.outdoorequipmentsupplier.com/) tarps. Very well made and designed.
johnny quest
01-16-2007, 15:23
That must have been some wind and ice. Contact HH and see what they say. They might be able to work something out for you.
If you want a really nice tarp, look into the McCat (http://www.outdoorequipmentsupplier.com/) tarps. Very well made and designed.
no, i cant blame tom for this one. its my fault for not knocking the ice off each day. i just took my hammock down over lunch. i was shocked at just how thick the ice was on the tarp. i am in the market for a new tarp, but i think i will go back to 4 points rather than 6.
i also may have an underpad and undercover for sale. its not working for me. too much trouble.
johnny quest
01-16-2007, 16:35
That must have been some wind and ice. Contact HH and see what they say. They might be able to work something out for you.
If you want a really nice tarp, look into the McCat (http://www.outdoorequipmentsupplier.com/) tarps. Very well made and designed.
i have a question about the mccat, hammock engineer. does it have the same attachments as an hh tarp to attach to the hh ridgeline or is the mccat made to string on its own line?
RadioFreq
01-16-2007, 16:42
no, i cant blame tom for this one. its my fault for not knocking the ice off each day. i just took my hammock down over lunch. i was shocked at just how thick the ice was on the tarp. i am in the market for a new tarp, but i think i will go back to 4 points rather than 6.
i also may have an underpad and undercover for sale. its not working for me. too much trouble.
I replaced my HH asym tarp with a MacCat and haven't regretted it. I gave the HH tarp to my wife and she sliced it up and made me several small gear bags. She also picked up some boning material and made me two larger diameter snake skins. Now in a pinch I can slip my hammock and my No Sniveler underquilt into the snakeskin together.
i have a question about the mccat, hammock engineer. does it have the same attachments as an hh tarp to attach to the hh ridgeline or is the mccat made to string on its own line?
The MacCat uses D rings for the ridgeline attachment points that can be clipped onto using the HH supplied hooks on the support lines - very typically I will do one side with the hook while tying the other side to the tree and then come back, detach the hook and tie the D ring to the other tree - I do this to make getting the coverage correctly centered easily. With respect to actually using the HH supplied hooks for the tarp - I would recommend against that idea and suggest tying the tarp to the trees would be a better approach.
johnny quest
01-16-2007, 17:23
interesting. can you tell me why? my understanding is that hh's system for attaching the tarp to the ridgeline is pretty special. do you think it doesnt do its job of tightening the tarp as you sink into the hammock?
RadioFreq
01-16-2007, 17:25
I replaced my HH asym tarp with a MacCat and haven't regretted it. I gave the HH tarp to my wife and she sliced it up and made me several small gear bags. She also picked up some boning material and made me two larger diameter snake skins. Now in a pinch I can slip my hammock and my No Sniveler underquilt into the snakeskin together.
Ooops.....my wife reminded me that she did NOT slice up my HH asym tarp but in fact sliced up the remnants of an old Eureka rain fly. My HH tarp still sits in the corner of my gear closet awaiting its fate.
has HH made something new for attaching the tarp to the ridge line? The HH I have just has a hook / clip attached to a sliding knot (sort of a Prusik knot) - if I use this approach without tarp tensioners / weights as soon as I get in the hammock the tarp is loose and either flapping in the wind or laying on the bug netting. I have never tried it with the tensioners or weights so if that is their approach they may be OK.
hammock engineer
01-16-2007, 23:43
I second tied the tarp to the trees and not the hammock.
HOI is right about getting the tension right. This is the biggest reason. The second reason has to do with the weather. Right now when it is raining/snowing I set up my tarp first. Then open my pack underneath it. I usually set there for a minute or two out of the rain. Then I set up the hammock and go about my business. I then reverse the progress when taking down.
This is nice b/c everything stays dry and out of the rain. If the tarp is on the hammock, you have to take the tarp off before you take the hammock down. I guess you don't have too. You can put the tarp away with the hammock, but then you are putting a wet tarp with your dry hammock.
Something to consider on the rectangler/cat tarps. I think you get more useable space underneath. I think with the square tarps on a diagonl, you loose space on the ends. I think they may not pitch as taught (I'll let someone else speak for this one). I just feel like my 4-tie out tarp can hold up to more weather than my 2-tie out HH stock tarp could.
peter_pan
01-17-2007, 09:02
I second tied the tarp to the trees and not the hammock.
Something to consider on the rectangler/cat tarps. I think you get more useable space underneath. I think with the square tarps on a diagonl, you loose space on the ends. I think they may not pitch as taught (I'll let someone else speak for this one). I just feel like my 4-tie out tarp can hold up to more weather than my 2-tie out HH stock tarp could.
HE,
You may be right over the stock HH with its bias tape edge and loops and thin lines....
But I disagree on a square, diamond, hex or Mac Cat.... All of these, regardles of manufacturer have at least 3/4 - 1 inch rolled hem edges and some form of reinforced tie out points... most have a true ridgeline which the stock HH tarp does not.... And all of the tarp designs offer adequate coverage with reduced sail area over the rectangle tarps....Some square tarps have additional tie outs that allow the side to be tied out as hexes primarily and simply secure the mid point secondarily....All of these points go to increase taut capability over not only the Stock HH fly but even the rectangle when the effects of increased sail area are factored....An additional issue for most rectangles used as hammock tarps.... Most are formed by the economy design of putting the ridgeline on the 8 foot axis, but the hammocker hangs it on the 10 foot axis...thus they dont have a true ridge line either.... Finally, the rectange tarps take more real estate for the foot print... the odds of trees, bushes, buried rock impedence to pegs, surface rocks requiring one to "rig around them" are greater than these smaller more secure type tarps... or they may be thought of as more limiting of site options.
Of course this is my 0.02, and I'm biased.
Pan
hammock engineer
01-18-2007, 20:47
Good point Pan. I only had hammock tarp experience with my stock fly and the McCat.
I have seen a couple people use the neo 9x9 pitched on the diagonal, but I wasn't impressed with it. It is good for the money but bad for the reasons you point out. I think this and the stock tarp skewed my tarp opinions.
BTW, I think you're biased too. But only b/c the products you offer are the ones you think are the best option.