I've been using the same homemade pepsi stove for several years, it's the kind with the jet holes near the top rim, neccesitating the need to pack a pot stand. I'd like to ditch the potstand.

Saw some new designs over the past year or two at trail days, with the jet holes on the upper sides so that the stove itself acts as a potstand. Sounds good to me. Is this the "state of the art" these days? If so, anyone have a link to well-written online plans? I did google, the number of sites is overwhelming...

Thanks,

RST

I have one of Tin mans stoves as I am horrible at working on things like that and dont have the tools if I wanted to anyway. Maybe email him from antigravity gear and he might help you out. I do like it a lot. First alcohol stove to actually pull me into the lightweight alcohol craze

Make a Supercat stove and ditch the potstand. You can't get much simpler to make.

this one is on ebay for sale. Nice price for what you get
http://cgi.ebay.com/WHITE-BOX-STOVES-BACKPACK-ALCOHOL-CAMP-COOKING-STOVE_W0QQitemZ220072958171QQihZ012QQcategoryZ8713 8QQcmdZViewItem

The key word for the design you refer to is "side burner"

I've been playing with the approach. To date, I have made a minibull and a pepsi can sized stoves in that design.

One of the online developers puts two rows of holes, staggered. One row about 1/4 inch below top and another about 1/2 inch from the top. He claims the top row lets in air. It seems to work.

The pepsi can stove is big enough to support a 1 liter pot, without being too tipsy. A wind screen made of flashing will roll up and fit inside the pot for storage.

Miles of Smiles
Tom

http://www.packafeather.com/index.html

i found this through the above link of a stove on EBay. It makes my stove making look primitive by comparison. Does anyone have any experience with it or heard about it. I can match the fuel efficiency with a Trangia but this is worlds lighter, plus has an unused fuel recovery feature.

I remember a time when alcohol stoves were an oddity. Now they are coming out of the wood work

For real down home cooking-the Brasslite Turbo 2 d is
hard to beat.I also have a Tinman pepsican stove which is
good and a Sgt Rock design that I made from a Frito Bean
dip can.It consists of the empty beandip can with holes
punched thru the side walls about 3/8 inch more or less off
the bottom on about 1/2 centers or so.You pour in the alcohol
and set the beandip into a lid(like off an old can of saddle soap
or shoe polish)prime the pan with a couple squirts of alcohol,
set the food pot on top of the beandip and light the primer.It
works like a charm for boiling but nothing will simmer or last
like the Brasslite that I have tried so far.
OFT

here's a link.

http://jwbasecamp.com/Articles/SuperCat/index.html

this one is on ebay for sale. Nice price for what you get
http://cgi.ebay.com/WHITE-BOX-STOVES-BACKPACK-ALCOHOL-CAMP-COOKING-STOVE_W0QQitemZ220072958171QQihZ012QQcategoryZ8713 8QQcmdZViewItem

Just ordered two of these off ebay. I will let you know how they do.

Greetings,

Try and use an Arizona Iced Tea can for your CAT stove.

It is a little larger than a Pepsi can, so it has better balance. It is also thin enough to use a paper hole punch to make nice clean holes. Finally, it has lines already drawn around the can, making it easy to cut.

http://www.arizonabev.com/int/images/23.5%20Lemon%20Tea.jpg

-Ravon

Just ordered two of these off ebay. I will let you know how they do.

Please do. From what I have read most folks like them. Another WB'er told me about them.

Let me put my props in for the Penny Alcohol Backpacking Stove (http://www.csun.edu/~mjurey/penny.html)

It works great for me and it was fun to build.....To build this stove you need to purchase a 6 pack of beer and somehow get rid of the liquid beer part...All these Pepsi can / cat food stoves can't compete!

I've used it in the field on 5 trips now and I think it works great. However, to be honest, I am using a super cat stove now for the simple fact that it does not require a pot stand. SuperCat works great too....Both use the same amount of fuel...but then I'm just eye balling it and I always bring way too much fuel.

Now I now SGT Rock's stove is another butt kickin stove but here in NYC (most of us live in apartments) it is hard to come by free insulation and that is part of Rocks ion stove design.....that is only reason why I haven't tried his stove.

Make a few stove is my advice....Don't stress out. You really cant make a bad stove. Just test them all out before you go on a trip and you'll be fine.

... One last plug for my fav...Penny Alcohol Backpacking Stove (http://www.csun.edu/~mjurey/penny.html)

:D

Let me put my props in for the Penny Alcohol Backpacking Stove (http://www.csun.edu/~mjurey/penny.html)

It works great for me and it was fun to build.....To build this stove you need to purchase a 6 pack of beer and somehow get rid of the liquid beer part...All these Pepsi can / cat food stoves can't compete!

I've used it in the field on 5 trips now and I think it works great. However, to be honest, I am using a super cat stove now for the simple fact that it does not require a pot stand. SuperCat works great too....Both use the same amount of fuel...but then I'm just eye balling it and I always bring way too much fuel.

Now I now SGT Rock's stove is another butt kickin stove but here in NYC (most of us live in apartments) it is hard to come by free insulation and that is part of Rocks ion stove design.....that is only reason why I haven't tried his stove.

Make a few stove is my advice....Don't stress out. You really cant make a bad stove. Just test them all out before you go on a trip and you'll be fine.

... One last plug for my fav...Penny Alcohol Backpacking Stove (http://www.csun.edu/~mjurey/penny.html)

:D

You don't need insulation to build an Ion.

You don't need insulation to build an Ion.

You don't?!? I should check that out then...

Oops I see the original poster wanted a stove that does not need a stand.... When that eliminates the Penny Stove. Doh! :o

You don't?!? I should check that out then...

Oops I see the original poster wanted a stove that does not need a stand.... When that eliminates the Penny Stove. Doh! :o

No, you don't need it. Sgt. Rock added that later. Any boost in effeciency due to the insulation is marginal IMO.

Google: Goya stove

That's what I did on the AT. You can see a photo of it on this page. (http://www.bucktrack.com/Appalachian_Trail_4.html)

Basically, I took an MSR windscreen and ran two gutter nail tent stakes through it at the proper height for the pot to sit on. Those tent stakes also pinned the windscreen together.

I'd just make sure there was enough air getting in the bottom, and it was a wide, solid pot stand at no weight at all because I was already carrying the wind screen and stakes.

For me right now I am in love with two pepsi can stove types.

One from Zelph right here on the WhiteBlaze, its his StarLyte stove it works great and I tested it with 3 cups of water (overkill for one person) with only 1/2 oz of alcohol and it got the water very hot...not quite a boil with only using 1/2 oz but hot enough to cook noodles and drink tea. Using 2 cups of water and 1 oz is a rolling boil of course!! Great little stove!!

My other new love is the Caldera Cone Stove System.

This is the JetBoil of the alkys stoves!!!!!

3 cups of water with only 15 ml or 1/2 oz to a hot Rolling BOIL!!!
Kiss the wind goodbye...no extra wind screen is needed either.

Just ordered two of these off ebay. I will let you know how they do.

Stuco, you should have received you stoves by now. Please give us a little feed back.

Does the stove require a primer pan? How much fuel required in primer pan. How long does it take before you can put your pot down onto the burner?

Those of you that have stoves that require priming pans I have a question for you? Three drops of fuel have a tendancy to evaporate so darn quickly that when I go to light it, its gone. My experience with primer pans is that a lot more than 3 drops is required. Stoves that have wick material around them look like 3 drops would only make wet 1 inch or so of the wick. JasonKlass, if you are out there let us know a little more about the Reality of the primer wicks. Thank You in advance for you input on priming pans.


Hana_Hanger, glad you like your "StarLyte" thank you for mentioning it.

By the way, the "StarLyte" does not require a priming pan. It lights easily at single digit temperatures. And it has a no spill feature.

I have a minibull side burner stove and a Heineken pot that I'm breaking in. I don't like the wind screen yet. Version three will be better.

Note: it turns out that the bottom of a cat food tin, with a little lip left on, is a perfect lid for the Heineken pot

The pot sits on the burner reasonably steady. I'm using 91% rubbing alcohol because it chafes me to spend $5+ for lacquer thinner. That's a small efficiency reduction.

1 oz brings 2 cups to a full rolling boil with "quite a bit" left over. I've yet to perfect the amount. I'm not scientific like Zelph, but I'm having fun.

I've been trying to light the stove with a firestarter (Flint) without much luck. If I spill a bunch around the base of the stove I can light that puddle, but the sparks won't make it down into the stove. I may have to use the cat can lid for a priming tray.

The whole kit weighs right at 2 OZ.

Miles of Smiles
Tom

teblum - one possibility comes to mind for using the flint - dip a twig or something similar (pine straw etc) into the stove's alcohol, use the sparker to light the twig then use the twig to light the stove

I've been trying to light the stove with a firestarter (Flint) without much luck. If I spill a bunch around the base of the stove I can light that puddle, but the sparks won't make it down into the stove. I may have to use the cat can lid for a priming tray.

The whole kit weighs right at 2 OZ.

Miles of Smiles
Tom

Havin fun is what it is all about :banana

Take 1/2 of a cotton ball and fluff it up, then stick it inside the burner, then pull it up to the top of the burner and let a little stick up above the rim of the burner. Now pour you fuel in and light with a spark.

Wait for 10 to 15 seconds and put you pot on, it should be hot enough to get the jets to jettin. Try it and let us know if it works. You may not need a primer pan. Nothing Ventured Nothing Gained.

this one is on ebay for sale. Nice price for what you get
http://cgi.ebay.com/WHITE-BOX-STOVES-BACKPACK-ALCOHOL-CAMP-COOKING-STOVE_W0QQitemZ220072958171QQihZ012QQcategoryZ8713 8QQcmdZViewItem

I did end up with this stove. It's a nice design and a lot sturdier than a coke can. I think it's made of those alluminium beer bottles. It works perfectly, but it works best with a wide pot since the flames shoot out pretty far out the sides.

Stuco, you should have received you stoves by now. Please give us a little feed back.

Does the stove require a primer pan? How much fuel required in primer pan. How long does it take before you can put your pot down onto the burner?

Those of you that have stoves that require priming pans I have a question for you? Three drops of fuel have a tendancy to evaporate so darn quickly that when I go to light it, its gone. My experience with primer pans is that a lot more than 3 drops is required. Stoves that have wick material around them look like 3 drops would only make wet 1 inch or so of the wick. JasonKlass, if you are out there let us know a little more about the Reality of the primer wicks. Thank You in advance for you input on priming pans.
stucoQuote:
Originally Posted by Ewker http://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/showthread.php?p=308154#post308154)
this one is on ebay for sale. Nice price for what you get
http://cgi.ebay.com/WHITE-BOX-STOVES...QQcmdZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.com/WHITE-BOX-STOVES-BACKPACK-ALCOHOL-CAMP-COOKING-STOVE_W0QQitemZ220072958171QQihZ012QQcategoryZ8713 8QQcmdZViewItem)

I did end up with this stove. It's a nice design and a lot sturdier than a coke can. I think it's made of those alluminium beer bottles. It works perfectly, but it works best with a wide pot since the flames shoot out pretty far out the sides.

Stucko!!!!! Were looking for some feed back about using a primer pan on your new stove.

On todays bicycle ride, I was scouting for tall beer cans for a wind screen. I picked up one tall can that turned out to be a 12 oz red bull.

This, of course, means that a MIDIbull stove is possible (as opposed to a minibull, made from the 8 oz cans)

A MIDIbull would be a bit more stable pot stand ,since the diameter is wider.

I need to find another 12 oz red bull can on the road side before pursuing this project further.

I'll get a two cup boil time for the Heineken Pot with the minibull side burner today, after i make the wind screen.

Miles of Smiles
Tom

Okay!
Lunch is over.

The side burner went out the first itme I lit it. The second time I waited longer (maybe 15 seconds)

It took just over 8 minutes to first boil and just under 10 minutes to full boil. Two cups of tap water.
I uploaded a few pictures.

while cooking
http://whiteblaze.net/forum/vbg/files/1/0/5/2/3/heinekenpotsetup001.jpg

packed with fuel container
http://whiteblaze.net/forum/vbg/files/1/0/5/2/3/heinekenpotsetup003.jpg


Miles of Smiles

Tom