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The "TwiLyte"
Stove and potstand weight is 12.9 grams
Fuel capacity: 17 grams
Boils 2 cups water on average of 10 min. and sustains boil for 1 min. and then flame out.
Burner is made of anodized aluminum cups purchased from local Asian food store.
Potstand is thin galvanized steel purchased at local harware store, old inventory.
Flames never extend beyond the 3 1/2 inch diameter pot bottom, coffee pot handle remains cool enough to remove pot of boiling water with bare hand.
Requires no primer pan and is spill proof.
photo shows pot used for test and size comparison to nickle (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/obijiwa/TwiLyte033.jpg)
photo shows windscreen used (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/obijiwa/TwiLyte031.jpg)
photo shows flame patern touching pot bottom (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/obijiwa/TwiLyte022.jpg)
photo shows flame and potstand and burner (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/obijiwa/TwiLyte034.jpg)
photo shows another view (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/obijiwa/TwiLyte036.jpg)
photo shows strength of stand (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/obijiwa/TwiLyte039.jpg)gallon bottle is 3/4 full of water
Coffee pot holds 2 cups water, used lightweight alum. lid instead of heavy lid of pot.
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toddhiker
02-22-2007, 21:57
You never cease to amaze....I never would've thought that potstand would hold up! Very nice work.
soda cans are cheaper :-)
I am not sure if that pot stand would work while out hiking. It seems like it would be difficult to get the pot to stay on it unless one had a perfect level hard surface. I love that stove!
Big Dawg
02-23-2007, 09:55
Looks good Zelph!
By the way, my wickatised stove is working great. I'll have to snap a few shots and post em. Thanks again!!
I am not sure if that pot stand would work while out hiking. It seems like it would be difficult to get the pot to stay on it unless one had a perfect level hard surface. I love that stove!
I propped up one side of the stand with three quarters and then put the pot with 2 cups of water in it on the stand. I then jiggled the pot a little with one hand and it felt pretty good. I did'nt think it was necessary to tilt it any further, don't recomend setting up your stove on a greater pitch than what you see in the photos.
photo numero uno (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/obijiwa/TwiLyte040.jpg)
photo number two (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/obijiwa/TwiLyte041.jpg) shows water in pot at angle
Big DawgLooks good Zelph! By the way, my wickatised stove is working great. I'll have to snap a few shots and post em. Thanks again!!
Thanks Big Dawg, look forward to seeing your photo.
Anyone else out there have any luck at wickatising their pop can stoves to be rid of your primer pans?
toddhikerYou never cease to amaze....I never would've thought that potstand would hold up! Very nice work.
Thanks Toddhiker, start wickatising, you'll like it!!!!
PJ 2005soda cans are cheaper :-)
PJ, start wickatising those cheaper pop cans, makes em work better in cold temps.
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Not too long ago a chalenge was given on a backpacking forum and the challenge was this:
Here's the challenge:
I'd like to find an alcohol stove that will (without question) bring at least 2 cups of water to a rolling (vigorous) boil in less than 6 minutes (trail tested) in fair/moderate conditions - using 1 ounce or less of alcohol - at elevations ranging from sea level to 10,000 feet.
This stove would be used with a Snow Peak Ti 600 Mug. I'd like the stove and windscreen to weigh in at about an ounce (or less) total (since this is for a small diameter mug).
What's your best (homemade) alcohol stove recommendation - specific to these specifications?
Thanks for your participation.
Reality
Always interested in a challenge:banana so I started looking thru my stuff, tried a few things and came up with the TwiLyte. I'm still tweaking the stove to pick up the speed. The wind screen is going higher and lighter. Not going to get the Ti 600.
Another goal is to get another Heinekin pot and try it with this stove. It should be able to boil 2 cups faster than my heavy coffee pot.
I've got it down pat on the assemble procedure of the burner to be able to make them in quantity if anyone will be interested in the future. The material in the burner allows it to burn at a steady rate rather than dumping it out too fast like an open tea lite tin burner. This burner is the same diameter as the tea lite.
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Here is a correction to my original post: Fuel capacity is 17 ML
An addition to the information: 1/2 liquid ounce of denatured alcohol was used in tests to boil the 2 cups of water. Thirteen (13) test burns have been made.
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sum41punk91
02-24-2007, 17:15
hey zelph dont you think it would be better to lower the pot so the flames eat up the side a tadbit?... also have all your tests been done with the windscreen?
Still making changes.
Going to use a different pot. I'ts actually a mug that holds 2 cups+.
I changed my windscreen to the shape of a TeePee and raised it a teeny bit.
I'll do more boiling tests on Monday.
Here are two photos:
First shows windscreen before holes (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/obijiwa/TwiLyte044.jpg)
Second shows after holes and pot resting on rim (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/obijiwa/TwiLyte045.jpg)of windscreen. During boil tests the pot will be on the potstand not the windscreen. The potstand will raise the pot 1/8 inch above windscreen. The windscreen is not meant to be the potstand.
sum41punk91hey zelph dont you think it would be better to lower the pot so the flames eat up the side a tadbit?... also have all your tests been done with the windscreen?
I think I should and it would heat faster because of heat transfer through pot sides. BUT, for the folks here that feel flames up the sides are a no no I'll do this way for now.(do you remember the boil times for the Whatchamakalit stove? all flames up the side none on the bottom, what a hoot!!!!)
Skidsteer
02-24-2007, 18:43
Is that a grease pot from Big lots?!
I've been looking for another one of those. Great pot. The aluminum in those things conducts heat like crazy!
Is that a grease pot from Big lots?!
I've been looking for another one of those. Great pot. The aluminum in those things conducts heat like crazy!
It's a mug, hold 2 cups+. I bought 2 today at Big Lots, only 2 bucks each. They're located next to the grease pots and also hang in the mug section with the ceramics, can't miss um. They're SuperConductors, should reduce boil times down a tad.
Skidsteer
02-24-2007, 19:46
It's a mug, hold 2 cups+. I bought 2 today at Big Lots, only 2 bucks each. They're located next to the grease pots and also hang in the mug section with the ceramics, can't miss um. They're SuperConductors, should reduce boil times down a tad.
I'll check it out. I found my one and only over a year ago at a Big Lots in Nashville, I think. Haven't seen them since.
Time to hit BL again. Thanks.
mmm, it looks likt the caldera stove??????mmmm
I wonder how fast it would boil water if you could weld a cone shaped peice in the middle of the pot (small side up) so that some of the heat comes thru the middle. It would make for more surface area on the water.
Like the way angel food cake is cooked
I wonder how fast it would boil water if you could weld a cone shaped peice in the middle of the pot (small side up) so that some of the heat comes thru the middle. It would make for more surface area on the water.
Fantastic Idea!!!!! Brilliant!!!!!!!:sun :sun :sun :sun
Hope someone follows up on that one like YOU
Make it happen, Make It So, Engage!!!!!!
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peanutsmmm, it looks likt the caldera stove??????mmmm
Looks are deceiving, it's a TeePee windscreen, nothing more nothing less =)
Call it a Heat Grabber maybe =)
toddhiker
02-25-2007, 00:25
Looking better all the time! What did you use to make the windscreen?
Looking better all the time! What did you use to make the windscreen?
I used .005 anodized aluminum and I may have to decrease the angle of the windscreen to reduce weight of it. Want to keep entire package under an ounce.:D
No improvement, slow goin, cant see inside teepee to watch flame, needs a window, I have some mica sheets, might make a mica see insida winda.
Went out and founda can simila in size to a guiness can, big blue brand from Canada. Will try it as my pot, see if it makes a difference.
I'm going to enlarge the opening of the burner to let out more btu's faster, maybe raise it closer to the pot.
Hey Zelph - your WB inbox is full, won't accept new messages. :datz
Hey Zelph - your WB inbox is full, won't accept new messages. :datz
OOps!!!!!
Now it's cleared, how may I help you?:)
I'm still modifying, reduced the heigth of stand by 1/4, opended burner to its max and used a taller verticle windscreen instead of teepee. I can set my watch by this thing, 10 min boils + - a few sec.
Lost my thermometer somewhere, maybe its my tap water, don't know what my starting temps have been:rolleyes: Duh!!!!:datz
hey zelph dont you think it would be better to lower the pot so the flames eat up the side a tadbit?... also have all your tests been done with the windscreen?
I like the idea about flames up the side I decided to make them go all the way around so I modified the "Whatchamacallit" stove and made a seperate thread (http://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/showthread.php?t=22425)to show it:banana "Heineken Doodah Man Special"
I did modify the pot stand a bit to get the burner closer to the pot. Here are some photos showing the shortened stand:
Photo One (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/obijiwa/Heinknbrn001.jpg)
Photo Two (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/obijiwa/Heinknbrn002.jpg)
I'm still tweeking this project. I get sidetracted sometimes.
Whistler
03-08-2007, 21:42
Nice work! But as far as I know, I still hold the title for lightest alcohol stove at 0.1oz = 3 grams. It's a SuperCat style stove made from those narrow aluminum cans like Starbucks, Red Bull, etc. I did a little write-up (http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/xdpy/forum_thread/1889/index.html?skip_to_post=13613#13613) at BPL while ago. You could get a complete cook kit for 1-2oz. Of course, it's really fragile! :)
-Mark
Nice work! But as far as I know, I still hold the title for lightest alcohol stove at 0.1oz = 3 grams. It's a SuperCat style stove made from those narrow aluminum cans like Starbucks, Red Bull, etc. I did a little write-up (http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/xdpy/forum_thread/1889/index.html?skip_to_post=13613#13613) at BPL while ago. You could get a complete cook kit for 1-2oz. Of course, it's really fragile! :)
-Mark
I was just kidding you Mark, this is the lightest in the world (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/obijiwa/tcandle006.jpg)
It's a side burner made with tea candle tins.
It weighs 1 gram
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Originally Posted by Whistler http://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/showthread.php?p=335770#post335770)
Nice work! But as far as I know, I still hold the title for lightest alcohol stove at 0.1oz = 3 grams. It's a SuperCat style stove made from those narrow aluminum cans like Starbucks, Red Bull, etc. I did a little write-up (http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/xdpy/forum_thread/1889/index.html?skip_to_post=13613#13613) at BPL while ago. You could get a complete cook kit for 1-2oz. Of course, it's really fragile! :)
-Mark
I was just kidding you Mark, this is the lightest in the world (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/obijiwa/tcandle006.jpg)
It's a side burner made with tea candle tins.
It weighs 1 gram
No!!!! maybe it was this one (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/obijiwa/tcandl001.jpg)
Weighs 2.5 grams
Tea candle tin, fiberglass cloth and venetion blind center support for pot.
Sometimes I get confused, sorry!!!
:)
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Originally Posted by Whistler http://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/showthread.php?p=335770#post335770)
Nice work! But as far as I know, I still hold the title for lightest alcohol stove at 0.1oz = 3 grams. It's a SuperCat style stove made from those narrow aluminum cans like Starbucks, Red Bull, etc. I did a little write-up (http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/xdpy/forum_thread/1889/index.html?skip_to_post=13613#13613) at BPL while ago. You could get a complete cook kit for 1-2oz. Of course, it's really fragile! :)
-Mark
Mark, you can retain the title, it means nada to me, I make em for the fun of it.
MARK is record holder!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Let it be written, so let it be done!:)
Chaplain
03-09-2007, 23:40
Stratus Trail Stove. You'll love it and it works great and is inexpensive.
It can also be used as an alcohol stove.
-SunnyWalker
Whistler
03-10-2007, 00:28
Zelph, I'll gladly yield the crown. I'm all for the fun of it, too. Let the throne remain empty in a kingdom without citizens :)
Like you, I think fiddling with the ideas that pop in your head and testing the prototypes is a blast. But when it comes to something... functional... I'll stick with my heavy SuperCat.
How are those stands holding up over multiple cookings?
-Mark
Stratus Trail Stove. You'll love it and it works great and is inexpensive.
It can also be used as an alcohol stove.
-SunnyWalker
How long have you used one? How much does it weigh? Give me a link to it please. Did you make it?
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Whistler--I've only begun to test the stand with this stove. This design was to keep the flame centered on the bottom of the pot, none up the sides. It was a chalenge thing. The height was correct, a few of us learned something here about the design of the stand. How much would a piece of 1/2 inch hardware cloth weigh? hmmm? I'm not in a hurry on this one, It'll go on the back burner for awhile.
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Had an Idea. After filling these TwiLyte burners with 1/2 ounce fuel in eachI waterproofed them by dipping the tops of them in a shallow pan of melted parrafin wax, the eddible kind. The wax was only 1/8 inch deep.
I then tested them for ignition, all went fine.
Now, when I take a hike, I no longer have to take a seperate container of fuel. No more handling of fuel on the trail, especially when it's cold outside. I fill the lightweight burners at home,and seal them at my leisure and store them in a Lexan tube. The burners are sealed, no evaporation of fuel. The tube is opened from both sides. When finished using a burner, put it in the used burner end of the tube.
"Note To doodah man" : One of the burners has four small holes in the top in addition to the one large in the center. That one you can see in the photo with larger flame. All the rest are for simmering. The ones I sent you are without the extra holes. If you want faster/hotter boils make the change.
The Lexan storage container was made from a sleeve that is places over a flourescent T12 light bulb. Available at Ace hardware stores or big box stores.
Photo one (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/obijiwa/bananaman001.jpg) coated with wax
Photo two (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/obijiwa/bananaman002.jpg) the one in foreground was lit last, can see melting wax
Photo three (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/obijiwa/bananaman008.jpg) the one with four holes in foreground
Photo four (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/obijiwa/bananaman018.jpg) Lexan storage container with caps on ends
Photo five (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/obijiwa/bananaman019.jpg) "Banana Man" with "TwiLyte" burners in hand ready to hit the trail.
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Lightest stove in the world:
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Lanthar Mandragoran
03-13-2007, 17:16
Had an Idea. After filling these TwiLyte burners with 1/2 ounce fuel in eachI waterproofed them by dipping the tops of them in a shallow pan of melted parrafin wax, the eddible kind. The wax was only 1/8 inch deep.
I then tested them for ignition, all went fine.
Now, when I take a hike, I no longer have to take a seperate container of fuel. No more handling of fuel on the trail, especially when it's cold outside. I fill the lightweight burners at home,and seal them at my leisure and store them in a Lexan tube. The burners are sealed, no evaporation of fuel. The tube is opened from both sides. When finished using a burner, put it in the used burner end of the tube.
"Note To doodah man" : One of the burners has four small holes in the top in addition to the one large in the center. That one you can see in the photo with larger flame. All the rest are for simmering. The ones I sent you are without the extra holes. If you want faster/hotter boils make the change.
The Lexan storage container was made from a sleeve that is places over a flourescent T12 light bulb. Available at Ace hardware stores or big box stores.
Photo one (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/obijiwa/bananaman001.jpg) coated with wax
Photo two (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/obijiwa/bananaman002.jpg) the one in foreground was lit last, can see melting wax
Photo three (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/obijiwa/bananaman008.jpg) the one with four holes in foreground
Photo four (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/obijiwa/bananaman018.jpg) Lexan storage container with caps on ends
Photo five (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/obijiwa/bananaman019.jpg) "Banana Man" with "TwiLyte" burners in hand ready to hit the trail.
Wha?!?!?! :eek: Zelph just made refillable / homemade / reusable esbit tabs... I wonder how it would work in a commercial esbit stove...
Yes, and they don't stink/irritate my nose like esbit. Ahhh, renewable fuel cells..
If all are not used, they remain sealed, no evaporation.
I want Chace to make an Anglefood pot with hole up the middle for boiling water in three min.
doodah man
03-14-2007, 12:54
"Note To doodah man" : One of the burners has four small holes in the top in addition to the one large in the center. That one you can see in the photo with larger flame. All the rest are for simmering. The ones I sent you are without the extra holes. If you want faster/hotter boils make the change.
Zelph, Thanks for the heads up... I will make the change. What size hole did you make? Push-pin sized or smaller? doodah-man
Skidsteer
03-14-2007, 13:07
That really is kind of a neat idea, Zelph. It would be fun to have some to hand out to hikers that can't get their gas stoves lit. :p
sum41punk91
03-15-2007, 00:28
zelph this stove is looking great... im just curious is this made on the same basis as he starlyte with different cans but same wicks and material?? also Has it gotten any more efficient with the lower potstand?? and on a final not i think a sleeve of stoves is overkill but very cool
Zelph, Thanks for the heads up... I will make the change. What size hole did you make? Push-pin sized or smaller? doodah-man
Start with pushpin size. You want more heat, use the push pin to make it bigger just wobble it around using a little sideways pressure. An ice pick was handy for me at the time.
sum41punk91zelph this stove is looking great... im just curious is this made on the same basis as he starlyte with different cans but same wicks and material?? also Has it gotten any more efficient with the lower potstand?? and on a final not i think a sleeve of stoves is overkill but very cool
Yes, same materials and construction as the "StarLyte"
I hav'nt tested it since the height reduction of the stand. I got sidetracted with the Whatchamacallit burner and the heinekin pot. I'm really surprised at the results of that one. Waiting for Doodah Man to confirm tests.
sum41punk91
03-18-2007, 00:10
haha i remeber the whatchamacalit burner... had better results than expected and if i remember correctly is where skids confirmed your lid isnt screwed on tight. anyhow cant wait for results with the lowered potstand and do you plan to sell these at all?
I picked up these two little pans at the thrift shop http://www.schizoaffective.org/forterra/thriftpots.jpg Thanks to crazy thrift store pricing I paid 99 cents for each pan but only 69 cents for the Nalgene bottle.
I hope these are the right size to make a watchamacallit stove.
I picked up these two little pans at the thrift shop http://www.schizoaffective.org/forterra/thriftpots.jpg Thanks to crazy thrift store pricing I paid 99 cents for each pan but only 69 cents for the Nalgene bottle.
I hope these are the right size to make a watchamacallit stove.
Those should work, they are egg poaching pots.
I'll sell some of the twilytes also. I'm kinda stuck on the watchamacallit series aka Doodah man aka ring of fire
I wonder how fast it would boil water if you could weld a cone shaped peice in the middle of the pot (small side up) so that some of the heat comes thru the middle. It would make for more surface area on the water.
Cache, I found a four cup capacity pot with a cone coming up the middle. It's a pot used for steaming pudding. I asked the ladies there(hardware store) how to use it and they did'nt know. The owner said it's been sitting there on the shelf forever. Old inventory.
When I get time I'll do some testing. Have you done any searching to follow through on your idea?
Pest----Have you made a whatchamacallit stove with those poacher pans?
Sum41Punk91----Doodah man has two "TwiLytes" with him to test using the 2 inch high stainless steel potstand that comes with the "StarLyte" stove. He'll be using them to heat a Heinekin pot.
Skidsteer
03-22-2007, 00:54
Cache, I found a four cup capacity pot with a cone coming up the middle. It's a pot used for steaming pudding. I asked the ladies there(hardware store) how to use it and they did'nt know. The owner said it's been sitting there on the shelf forever. Old inventory.
When I get time I'll do some testing. Have you done any searching to follow through on your idea?
Pest----Have you made a whatchamacallit stove with those poacher pans?
Sum41Punk91----Doodah man has two "TwiLytes" with him to test using the 2 inch high stainless steel potstand that comes with the "StarLyte" stove. He'll be using them to heat a Heinekin pot.
Nice find!
Pest----Have you made a whatchamacallit stove with those poacher pans?
No not yet.. I'm nursing a sore throat and an ear ache.. :(
David335
03-26-2007, 23:05
are there insturctions to make this kind ofstove anywere? (maybe this is a noobish quiestions.If so sorry)
are there insturctions to make this kind ofstove anywere? (maybe this is a noobish quiestions.If so sorry)
This stove is a spinoff of the "StarLyte" stove (http://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18383). The instructions a kinda imbedded within in the thread.
I like your creations made of duct tape, they remind me of the guy that made his furniture out of FedEx boxes. I'm waiting for you design a stove with tape of some sort.:)
Welcome to the world of stoves:welcome
David335
03-27-2007, 13:20
that is an interesting challenge
that is an interesting challenge
Come on David you can doit:)
David335
03-28-2007, 14:07
Maybe if you took the duct tape and lined it with foil tape or aluminum foil adn then use that?
A new challenge!!!
David335
03-28-2007, 17:34
got the foil tape starting the new stove
Skidsteer
03-28-2007, 17:54
Test it outside, obviously.
David335
03-28-2007, 19:00
of course (as he guiltily covers up the brunt spots with a carpet and put the fire extinquisher away)
Skidsteer
03-28-2007, 19:01
Lol!.........
David335
03-28-2007, 20:57
shot! the foil tape dosn't hold liquid!! Ugh!! back to the drawing board
Chaplain
03-30-2007, 23:42
Stratus Trailstove go to Trailstove.com
-SunnyWalker
SunnyWalkerStratus Trailstove go to Trailstove.com
-SunnyWalker
I asked you questions but u never responded.
Stratus Trail Stove. You'll love it and it works great and is inexpensive.
It can also be used as an alcohol stove.
-SunnyWalker
I can tell by your two posts you really like the stove.
I think it's way too bulky, weighs too much and is not worthy of burning alcohol. Nobody wants to learn how to start a fire while they are on the trails. In todays world its get the alchy out and fire it up and 10 min. later eatin time. You can't do that with a wood burner or canister.:)
Dances with Mice
03-31-2007, 15:52
Nobody wants to learn how to start a fire while they are on the trails. In todays world its get the alchy out and fire it up and 10 min. later eatin time. You can't do that with a wood burner or canister.Knowing how to start a fire is not an archaic skill.
rjprince
04-05-2007, 01:20
The "TwiLyte"
Stove and potstand weight is 12.9 grams
Just went to 10 grams and 5 1/2 minute boil time (but the handles on my MSR Ti Teakettle dooooo get hoootttttt) with a modified YACC that is both stove and potstand. See pics and comments on my "New Twist..." thread.
Chaplain
04-05-2007, 23:09
Zelph: sorry. yeah, it is kind of bulky, but hollow and you can put stuff inside it. I like it over my MSR cuz most of the time I never carry the alcohol, just use wood. I don't mind the time, it does not seem to take long. -SunnyWalker
Knowing how to start a fire is not an archaic skill.
Some find it hard to start a fire and stay friends with your neighbors. As an example here is a post made awhile back about starting a fire in a zip stove:
I mostly agree with terrapin's advantages and disadvantages of the Zip. In fact my partner and I started out with a Zip in 2000. The thing burned like a blast furnace and boiled water in short order. However, after a couple of weeks we dumped the Zip for a Whisperlite. Soot from the stove got on everything (even though we were careful), the initial smoke made us virtual outcasts at shelters and campsites (visible smoke is not a problem after it starts burning hot) and dry fuel can be a problem. A good idea, but not for me.
I added the red highlite.
The quote came from "This stoves gets no respect" started by terripin-two.
04-05-2007 21:09SunnyWalkerZelph: sorry. yeah, it is kind of bulky, but hollow and you can put stuff inside it. I like it over my MSR cuz most of the time I never carry the alcohol, just use wood. I don't mind the time, it does not seem to take long. -SunnyWalker
I'm in agreement with you about the time factor. Most of the time I plan my day to have the time to cook over an open fire. When I'm out solo it's my time to play pioneer. :D I'm laughing alot while i'm typing this, I cook my water over an open flame and empty it into a freezer bag etc. etc. etc. When I get time I'll show you how I support my pot. Supporting the pot is not archaic but some do have problems with it and I will explain that when I post the photo, DWM give me some time to get back to this. I do carry alcohol with me for the oops I did'nt plan well days and the weather factor days. Sunny, tell me what you stuff inside your wood burner while you got it packed away. Seems like it would be the grungiest place to put something other than fire burning stuff. Do you hang it on the outside of your pack?
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Dances with Mice
04-11-2007, 19:14
You misunderstand. What I wrote was in response to your comment "Nobody wants to learn how to start a fire while they are on the trails."
Knowing how to start a fire is an important skill when on a hike on a wilderness trail. A survival skill.
Fires. They're not just for cooking anymore.
Parts of a soda can, my brother used this for a good chunk of last years thru hike. I use it now that he made another. the wind screen is a piece of baking sheet.It held my 1qt 15oz pot very well on many a surface. It blackened because i accidently used iso-heet instead of the regular heet gasline antifreeze. Stands about 1 3/4" and no stand needed.Pretty lite!
You misunderstand. What I wrote was in response to your comment "Nobody wants to learn how to start a fire while they are on the trails."
Knowing how to start a fire is an important skill when on a hike on a wilderness trail. A survival skill.
Fires. They're not just for cooking anymore.
Sorry about the misunderstanding. My mouth always engages before the brain. I like starting fire the primitive way---SPARKS. I carry them on my keyring contained in a ferocerrium rod.
Keep an eye open for some of those huge sparklers. I'd like to see you juggle some of those in the evening hours, that'd bee cool lookin.
Dances with Mice
04-12-2007, 20:04
Keep an eye open for some of those huge sparklers. I'd like to see you juggle some of those in the evening hours, that'd bee cool lookin.Red hot glowing hardwood coals fresh from a campfire are doable, as is anything with sufficient mass and low enough heat capacity or temperature. The Renn Fair favorite "Flaming Torches of Death (http://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/vbg/showimage.php?i=7511&catid=member&imageuser=1030)", after all, are just gimmicks.
Chaplain
04-13-2007, 23:36
Zelph: Oh yea, yuk, yuk, I guess to really do not put anything inside the trailstove. I bought it with a handy dandy nylon bag to carry it in and I put it in my pack. I enjoyed reading your posts. -SunnyWalker
Red hot glowing hardwood coals fresh from a campfire are doable, as is anything with sufficient mass and low enough heat capacity or temperature. The Renn Fair favorite "Flaming Torches of Death (http://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/vbg/showimage.php?i=7511&catid=member&imageuser=1030)", after all, are just gimmicks.
The torches are ok but I'm lookin for more flash, lots of flash, pyro type flash. The mega sparklers, many of them wired together to make turbomega mega sparkler. Big enough to put a little bit of apprehension into your twirling mind. Leave the unicycle out for the first try and also the antifreeze or everclear.
SunnyWalkerZelph: Oh yea, yuk, yuk, I guess to really do not put anything inside the trailstove. I bought it with a handy dandy nylon bag to carry it in and I put it in my pack. I enjoyed reading your posts. -SunnyWalker
Thanks Sunny, glad to have you here. Hope you come back:)
Dances with Mice
04-14-2007, 21:51
The torches are ok but I'm lookin for more flash, lots of flash, pyro type flash. The mega sparklers, many of them wired together to make turbomega mega sparkler. ... While I do appreciate your confidence in my abilities I avoid props that I need welding masks to see.
While I do appreciate your confidence in my abilities I avoid props that I need welding masks to see.
Good choice.
Chaplain
05-25-2007, 23:28
I have never hiked on the At where there are people at the same "camp spot" with you (shelters). From reading these posts I could see how others would not like the smoke. I guess that would be a fair reason to use the alcohol. Thanks. I guess I could carry enough for a few days in case this kind of happens. Thanks friends. -SunnyWalker
rjprince
05-25-2007, 23:44
Sunnny,
Even though most hikers are using some kind of a stove, it is not uncommon for someone to build a fire. So, if you are using something like the Nimblewill Nomad stove, just position yourself downwind. One plus of using a wood stove is that it does help keep bugs down a bit... I usually use an alcohol stove, but am planning to take a wood burner on my next outing even though I do not like the way it messes up the pot...
RJP
The "TwiLyte"
Stove and potstand weight is 12.9 grams
Fuel capacity: 17 grams
Boils 2 cups water on average of 10 min. and sustains boil for 1 min. and then flame out.
Burner is made of anodized aluminum cups purchased from local Asian food store.
Potstand is thin galvanized steel purchased at local harware store, old inventory.
Flames never extend beyond the 3 1/2 inch diameter pot bottom, coffee pot handle remains cool enough to remove pot of boiling water with bare hand.
Requires no primer pan and is spill proof.
photo shows pot used for test and size comparison to nickle (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/obijiwa/TwiLyte033.jpg)
photo shows windscreen used (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/obijiwa/TwiLyte031.jpg)
photo shows flame patern touching pot bottom (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/obijiwa/TwiLyte022.jpg)
photo shows flame and potstand and burner (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/obijiwa/TwiLyte034.jpg)
photo shows another view (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/obijiwa/TwiLyte036.jpg)
photo shows strength of stand (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/obijiwa/TwiLyte039.jpg)gallon bottle is 3/4 full of water
Coffee pot holds 2 cups water, used lightweight alum. lid instead of heavy lid of pot.
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I did a little tinkering with my new bench top spot welder. I welded some stainless steel wire into a pot stand. The height of the stand is now 1 1/2 inches. Photo of potstand (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/obijiwa/ebayrof040.jpg)
The windscreen I used was without any holes. I kept the stove and pot to the backside of the windscreen and it worked ok. The draft coming in the front of the windscreen never seemed to make the flame of the burner go to the backside of the pot like i've seen in other testing of stoves that are centered within the windscreen. This photo shows windscreen. (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/obijiwa/ebayrof039.jpg)
Ceiling fan was on to simulate breeze. Boiled 2 cups of water in 12 min.
Combined weight of burner and pot stand= 6.5 grams potstand weighs= 3.0 grams
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Chaplain
07-25-2007, 17:58
I just returned from six days on At (Amicolola lodge to Unicore Gap). I found that I was just too tired each night to build a little fire in my Stratus Trailstove and so used the alcohol option. Then after a few nights I began to think, I just need to go alcohol stove as that was all I was using and thus was carrying extra weight (the Stratus Woodstove thingy). Well, when I got to Neels Gap/Walasi-Yi center I bought a Esbitt Stove. Thus removing all liquids (white gas, alcohol, etc.,) from my pack and going with solid "fuel". It is real light and the only negative is there is a slight smell to the tablets. I double bagged it and it was just pretty good. -SunnyWalker