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Rocketman
03-08-2007, 09:23
In a recent study of manual dishwashing of restaurant dishes, it was found that cold water plus ammoniated soap produced adequate safety.....

Backpackers have pretty much known that by experience.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/02/070226131510.htm
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When restaurants manually wash dishes, they follow a three-step process: Dishes are washed and scrubbed in soapy water, rinsed with clean water, and finally soaked in water containing germ-killing sanitizers. But employees often use water that is cooler than 110 degrees Fahrenheit—the minimum washing temperature recommended by the FDA—because it is uncomfortably hot. The FDA also requires that washing cause a 100,000-fold drop in amounts of bacteria on those dishes.

To investigate effective lower-temperature dishwashing tactics, the researchers coated dishes individually with cheese, eggs, jelly, lipstick, and milk, and then added Escherichia coli and Listeria innocua bacteria. Contaminants like E. coli and L. innocua can survive for long periods of time if they make their way into food dried onto dishes. If those dishes aren't thoroughly washed, they can sometimes cause food-borne disease outbreaks.

After letting the food dry on to the dishes for an hour—a plausible wait in a busy restaurant dish room—they gave each utensil a few scrubs per side and measured the amount of microscopic organisms still clinging to the dishes.

Lee and Pascall discovered that washing dishes in hot dish water, followed by soaking in extra sanitizers, eliminated almost all of the bacteria on them, even when coated with dried-on cheese. But dishes washed in soapy room-temperature water, rinsed, and then weakly sanitized with ammonium-based chemicals also achieved FDA-acceptable results.

The find is important because acceptable sanitization can be achieved with cooler dish-washing water, as dishes washed in room-temperature water and then rinsed in more-concentrated sanitizers achieved results comparable to higher-temperature alternatives.

Alligator
03-08-2007, 14:19
Backpackers do not use sanitizers on their pots/dishes/silverware. Heck many don't even use soap. And the water used by a backpacker is generally cold, not room temperature. I wouldn't suggest extrapolating these results to the woods.

Alligator
03-08-2007, 14:22
Brings back memories though. The collective groan from the staff upon hearing the dishwasher was down and we were switching to manual:mad: . Oh yeah, stuff would stick to the dishes...

bulldog49
03-08-2007, 17:36
Doesn't water have to be at, or close to, the boiling point to kill germs? Does water at 110 deg kill more germs than water at room temp?


I thought the benefit of using warm or hot water to wash dishes is that dried-on food comes off easier and more completely than it does in cold.

Rocketman
03-09-2007, 08:16
Doesn't water have to be at, or close to, the boiling point to kill germs? Does water at 110 deg kill more germs than water at room temp?


I thought the benefit of using warm or hot water to wash dishes is that dried-on food comes off easier and more completely than it does in cold.

Temperatures of 160F to 180F, given time, will kill most bacteria. No idea of the difference of just water at 110F or toom temp. for killing bacteria.

Eating from the cooking container has been claimed to be a self-sterilizing system for trail health.

Warm water is a better solvent than cold water (decreases surface tension), so it does lift off junk better, including, evidently, bacteria.

Soap makes water a better solvent (decreases surface tension AKA chemical surfactant) and lifts junk off better, including, evidently, bacteria.

The aggressive antibacterial agents in restaurant type dishwashing liquids probably aren't appropriate for the trail.

littlelaurel59
03-09-2007, 11:25
Backpackers do not use sanitizers on their pots/dishes/silverware. Heck many don't even use soap. And the water used by a backpacker is generally cold, not room temperature. I wouldn't suggest extrapolating these results to the woods.

Backpackers eat enough dirt through the years to generate a diverse intestinal flora. Who needs soap? Rinse it in cold water, scrape off the sticky parts with a fingernail, dry it off with your shirt, and your ready for the next meal!:banana

Chaplain
03-09-2007, 23:56
Carry a little squirt bottle of bleach. Works great, inexpensive.

-SunnyWalker

freefall
03-10-2007, 00:05
Eating from the cooking container has been claimed to be a self-sterilizing system for trail health.




Backpackers eat enough dirt through the years to generate a diverse intestinal flora. Who needs soap? Rinse it in cold water, scrape off the sticky parts with a fingernail, dry it off with your shirt, and your ready for the next meal!:banana

I only washed my cook pot every 10 days or so. I didn't even use the ever popular slosh and swig method to clean and/or get ALL the calories. Never got sick.:-?

smokymtnsteve
03-10-2007, 00:11
when finishing my meal I always sracp and rinse,,,then I put a cup water in my cook pot and bring to boil with the lid on..this sterlizes/steam cleans the cook pot,

I then use the boiling water to make myself a after dinner hot herbal tea.;)