Best Hammock For Lite Weight Bpkrs

[TIGGER]

Hi,
I have a "BYER'S OF MAINE" HAMMOCK, WITH THE BUG NET. Very User Friendly. Kind of dainty, so you cannot be agressive getting in an out, but THE BEST light Weight Hammock!!!
I used one and finaly broke the zipper and they sent me a new one no charge. Very Receptive service oriented company, and the hammock was lighter than my Hennessy ( Which I also love) and MUCH Cheaper!
I have never slept on the ground since I started " Hanging".,
??No Trees you say??
Well, The bug hammock pitches like a small tent! I carry my Sill Tarp so NO Problem!!!!!!
" tryyyyyyyyyyyyy IT! You'll Liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiike it!" :D
T

[FanaticFringer]

I have owned a Byer Mosquitto Traveller hammock and could never get very comfy in it. Cant compare to my Hennessy Hyperlight.

[budforester]

Tigger
I like my Byer hammock, too... for hot- weather camping and daypack siesta. However, I haven't worked out a comfortable pad for cool weather insulation. I am experimenting, but pads tend to buckle and bulge or work out from under me. Suggest your technique?

[TIGGER]

Hi,
At last yer's Trail Days i bought a winter hanging kit from hennessy Hammock. this, combined with the byer was still a lot lighter than all hennesy. The key to being comfortable ( another post) is to sleep diagonally ( a foreign concept) and for the cold, the pad and insulation go under neath! WORKS GREAT!!!!
T:D

[Deerleg]

http://www.picnic-basket.com/The_p_57-201.html

[Ramble~On]

http://www.picnic-basket.com/The_p_57-201.html

:eek: $64.95 - - - - - OUCH ! I smell a rip off !
Look around and you can pick the same hammock up for 24.95 and as low as $19.00

I really like mine, sleep very comfy and still can't get over the size of this thing compared to its weight. I have found that you have to be careful with the cord over time...if it gets the least bit tangled the hammock won't pitch right.

[Frolicking Dinosaurs]

The Byers plus the Speer new snug-fit underquilt and a JacksRBetter No Snivler would be a hard combo to beat for weight and warmth. The No Snivler acts as extra insulation around camp and can be used with a pad to sleep on the ground or in a shelter if required.

HH makes a decent hammock, but I've quit recommending them because of how the owner treats other manufacturers.

[TIGGER]

FD,
Hi,
Please supply Websites for the abovesnug fit and Jacks No sniv
Thanks,
T

[hammock engineer]

FD,
Hi,
Please supply Websites for the abovesnug fit and Jacks No sniv
Thanks,
T

Check out www.speerhammocks.com (http://www.speerhammocks.com), and www.jacksrbetter.com (http://www.jacksrbetter.com) . There is a lot of good hammock talk over at www.hammockforums.net (http://www.hammockforums.net) .

[SouthMark]

Check out this hammock for winter trips:

http://www.hammocks.com/hammocks/camping-hammocks/products.cfm?action=view&key=THI004

Only weighs 10 oz. and does not have the lines trhat tangle like the Byers. I have the Byers, a Hennessy ULB, this hammock and the same hammock with bug net called the Moskito Beater (15 oz). I prefer it for my cold weather trips when there are no bugs, I do not like the Byers. I actually bought two with the bug netting on sale for $20 each.

[Frolicking Dinosaurs]

FD,Please supply Websites for the abovesnug fit and Jacks No snivSpeer hammock (http://www.speerhammocks.com/Products/PRODUCTLINK2.htm) and JacksRBetter (http://216.83.168.206/index.htm)

[Rebel, with a Cause!]

HH makes a decent hammock, but I've quit recommending them because of how the owner treats other manufacturers.

Please explain what you mean? I really dont understand how he can treat any manufactor in any way? I do understand that Tom will always compare the features of his hammocks VS the others. So once again Please explain ?

I also noticed in another post where you didnt like their customer service, however there were several people in that thread that gave HH a high recommendation. Was your reply on this from personal experience?

[Frolicking Dinosaurs]

I have heard recently from several manufactures and DYI'ers that Tom has threatened them with legal action for hammocks that bear little resemblance to his product. I have no personal experience with HH, but have heard some horror stories firsthand from those who do. I recommended the company to an elder at my church last fall and no wish I hadn't. I hope he doesn't get burned.

[Rebel, with a Cause!]

Well so Far all I see is Hearsay. I have worked with Tom Hennessy since 2000 and have 5 of his hammocks. I also know that he was a pioneer in the developement of the HH hammock as we know it. To protect ones product after years of developement is not a crime but a requirement. If his foundations as far as a law suit are unfounded, then the other parties have no worries. However if that is not the case, then they other parties need to stop. Is this really something that YOU should decide? Or to advise others on?

HH Makes a good product, one that differs from the rest in several points of design. He has good service and because he defends his product is no reason to give him a bad rep.

So the next time a person asks for a recommendation on a Hammocks, please give the facts and not some hearsay. Usually this is the case on most of your posts, but it seems you have a thorn when it comes to the HH. You already said it was a good product, so let the product speak for itself.

As far as the other manufactures goes, I know most of them as well. As long as their products are original and new, Ill probably look and maybe advise to buy them as well. If Tom sues them, thats their business and the courts, Not mine.

PS: I doubt that your friend will get burned as most people have had a pleasant experience with Hennessy Hammocks. Have faith, sit back and watch.

[attroll]

I am one of the ones that just recently had some bad experience with Tom Hennessey. I bought a hammock from him about 1 1/2 years ago and the velcro closures were sewn upside down. I brought it back to him at Trail Days and he said it was not a defect and said he would replace it for $75 with a swap. I swapped and paid him $75 and got a new hammock to replace it. In my opinion it was a defect. They sewed it wrong and it should have been replaced at no charge. I am not going to drag this one. I am just sharing an experience I had with Tom.

[spittinpigeon]

Well so Far all I see is Hearsay. I have worked with Tom Hennessy since 2000 and have 5 of his hammocks. I also know that he was a pioneer in the developement of the HH hammock as we know it. To protect ones product after years of developement is not a crime but a requirement. If his foundations as far as a law suit are unfounded, then the other parties have no worries. However if that is not the case, then they other parties need to stop. Is this really something that YOU should decide? Or to advise others on?

HH Makes a good product, one that differs from the rest in several points of design. He has good service and because he defends his product is no reason to give him a bad rep.

So the next time a person asks for a recommendation on a Hammocks, please give the facts and not some hearsay. Usually this is the case on most of your posts, but it seems you have a thorn when it comes to the HH. You already said it was a good product, so let the product speak for itself.

As far as the other manufactures goes, I know most of them as well. As long as their products are original and new, Ill probably look and maybe advise to buy them as well. If Tom sues them, thats their business and the courts, Not mine.

PS: I doubt that your friend will get burned as most people have had a pleasant experience with Hennessy Hammocks. Have faith, sit back and watch.


I don't consider it hearsay if you get it straight from the horse's mouth like dino did.

[Rebel, with a Cause!]

I don't consider it hearsay if you get it straight from the horse's mouth like dino did.

Hearsay: hearsay is aimed at prohibiting the use of a person's assertion, as equivalent to testimony to the fact asserted, unless the assertor is brought to testify in court on the stand where he may be placed under oath and cross-examined.

So getting it straight from the horses mouth and repeating it, is exactly what hearsay is :) Sorry, but I couldnt resist :)

You see you only get one side of the story when you repeat what another has said and no chance to repute it.

Attroll, sorry you had that experience, sounds like Tom made a decision that wasnt agreeable to both this time.

BTW, how did you like the hammock?

[Frolicking Dinosaurs]

Rebel, it is my understanding that TH has threatened to sue people for things like folding fabric to make hammock and having ridgelines to hold up a tarp (not to set the sag). Since I have heard the same information from a number of people I know and respect, I believe it is true. This behavior goes far beyond protecting one's invention / innovation / patent and IMO borders on stifling others from entering the hammock manufacturing market (your opinion may be different, but that is how I see it). The stifling of innovations by other manufacturers and DIY'ers is why I have spoken out regarding this - I have nothing personal against TH. He makes a good product from what I've seen and I would welcome seeing some new designs from his firm instead of the same design over and over in different sizes and materials.

I would support TH 100% in taking legal action if somebody started selling a bottom entry hammock or using his patented structural ridgeline to set the sag / asym shape, but to claim that the idea of using a ridgeline to hold up a tarp was developed by TH or that folding fabric to make a hammock was developed by TH just is not supported by the facts (ridgelines have been around for centuries and hammocks using folded fabric have been around for at least since the turn of the century.) I am going to have dig out one of my ancient books on making gear from the 1970's. As I recall, it shows how to fold fabric to make a hammock and describes how to modify the folds at the ends to make the hammock lie more flat.

[Rebel, with a Cause!]

I agree these ideas have been around for years, however the question at hand is who has a PATENT on these ideas. If TH does have a Patent on these ideas, then they are his and his alone. Im sure that in order for him to sue, that he would have a basis in which to sue, meaning that he has these ideas patented or in the process of being patented.

So finding the idea in an old book is great. Now go find one and patent it :)

Enough said

[Frolicking Dinosaurs]

From the Patent Office web site: (http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/doc/general/index.html#novelty)
In order for an invention to be patentable it must be new as defined in the patent law, which provides that an invention cannot be patented if: “(a) the invention was known or used by others in this country, or patented or described in a printed publication in this or a foreign country, before the invention thereof by the applicant for patent,” or “(b) the invention was patented or described in a printed publication in this or a foreign country or in public use or on sale in this country more than one year prior to the application for patent in the United States . . .” If the invention has been described in a printed publication anywhere in the world, or if it was known or used by others in this country before the date that the applicant made his/her invention, a patent cannot be obtained. If the invention has been described in a printed publication anywhere, or has been in public use or on sale in this country more than one year before the date on which an application for patent is filed in this country, a patent cannot be obtained. In this connection it is immaterial when the invention was made, or whether the printed publication or public use was by the inventor himself/herself or by someone else. If the inventor describes the invention in a printed publication or uses the invention publicly, or places it on sale, he/she must apply for a patent before one year has gone by, otherwise any right to a patent will be lost. The inventor must file on the date of public use or disclosure, however, in order to preserve patent rights in many foreign countries.
Even if the subject matter sought to be patented is not exactly shown by the prior art, and involves one or more differences over the most nearly similar thing already known, a patent may still be refused if the differences would be obvious. The subject matter sought to be patented must be sufficiently different from what has been used or described before that it may be said to be nonobvious to a person having ordinary skill in the area of technology related to the invention. For example, the substitution of one color for another, or changes in size, are ordinarily not patentable.
As you can see from the above, in order to get a legitimate patent an idea it has to be new and innovative. Since ridgelines and folded fabric were around long before TH applied for his patents, all one would have to do to win should a lawsuit be filed would be to demonstrate that. Perhaps someone just needs to go ahead and ask the patent office to re-exam the patents in light of the facts and revoke the existing patents as these methods were clearly in the public domain before any of us were born. That would prevent any misunderstandings.

Enough said ;)

[SouthMark]

I'm confused. I thought the question posed was "What is the best hammock for light weight backpackers?".

[Frolicking Dinosaurs]

Whoops - thread swerve happens. Threads sometimes act like the AT - meander all over getting to the destination.

[1azarus]

anyplace we can find info on warbonnet hammocks?

[jlb2012]

anyplace we can find info on warbonnet hammocks?

well what I would do is go over to hammockforums.net and send a PM or email to warbonnetguy

[spittinpigeon]

Hearsay: hearsay is aimed at prohibiting the use of a person's assertion, as equivalent to testimony to the fact asserted, unless the assertor is brought to testify in court on the stand where he may be placed under oath and cross-examined.

So getting it straight from the horses mouth and repeating it, is exactly what hearsay is :) Sorry, but I couldnt resist :)

You see you only get one side of the story when you repeat what another has said and no chance to repute it.

Attroll, sorry you had that experience, sounds like Tom made a decision that wasnt agreeable to both this time.

BTW, how did you like the hammock?

Ok Johnny Cochran, wikipedia isn't the be-all end-all seeing that it has garnered much criticizing due to its open source architecture. But for the sake of argument, let it ride.
With that aside, doesn't YOUR hearsay against Dino's hearsay cancel each other out?

[Lyle]

"agree these ideas have been around for years, however the question at hand is who has a PATENT on these ideas. If TH does have a Patent on these ideas, then they are his and his alone. Im sure that in order for him to sue, that he would have a basis in which to sue, meaning that he has these ideas patented or in the process of being patented.

So finding the idea in an old book is great. Now go find one and patent it"

You appear to be supporting that this is what Mr. Hennesy has done, taken common knowledge and patented it as his own.


This is an obvious flaw in our patent system. This is one more example of the rediculous patents that are out there, someone taking something that is common knowledge and patenting it just to be able to rip other manufacturers off with licensing fees, or put up roadblocks to competition.

In my opinion, this is devious business practice, and I will tend to steer clear of companies that practice it - hence I am typing this using Linux instead of supporting Microsoft. They are well known for this type of practice.

[Old Grouse]

Why don't you all read what Tom Hennessy himself has said, instead of worrying about the definition of hearsay. http://hennessyhammock.com/formumfeedback/.

[Frolicking Dinosaurs]

anyplace we can find info on warbonnet hammocks?http://www.hammockforums.net/forum/showpost.php?p=16932&postcount=29

[Rebel, with a Cause!]

"agree these ideas have been around for years, however the question at hand is who has a PATENT on these ideas. If TH does have a Patent on these ideas, then they are his and his alone. Im sure that in order for him to sue, that he would have a basis in which to sue, meaning that he has these ideas patented or in the process of being patented.

So finding the idea in an old book is great. Now go find one and patent it"

You appear to be supporting that this is what Mr. Hennesy has done, taken common knowledge and patented it as his own.


This is an obvious flaw in our patent system. This is one more example of the rediculous patents that are out there, someone taking something that is common knowledge and patenting it just to be able to rip other manufacturers off with licensing fees, or put up roadblocks to competition.

In my opinion, this is devious business practice, and I will tend to steer clear of companies that practice it - hence I am typing this using Linux instead of supporting Microsoft. They are well known for this type of practice.


Actually thats what I told TD to do, not that is what Tom has done. It was she that proposed that idea not me. Go read Tom's Feedback page and I think he explains it well enough on his own. Go see what Tom has to say and take it with a grain of salt.

Feedback Link: http://hennessyhammock.com/formumfeedback/

[Rebel, with a Cause!]

I am one of the ones that just recently had some bad experience with Tom Hennessey. I bought a hammock from him about 1 1/2 years ago and the velcro closures were sewn upside down. I brought it back to him at Trail Days and he said it was not a defect and said he would replace it for $75 with a swap. I swapped and paid him $75 and got a new hammock to replace it. In my opinion it was a defect. They sewed it wrong and it should have been replaced at no charge. I am not going to drag this one. I am just sharing an experience I had with Tom.

I has come to my attention of another side of this story. It appears that you got the OLD Model ( As a Closeout BTW ) of the HH Hammock with the OLD version of velcro that wasnt full length. And that upon showing this to Tom Hennessy, he told you that it was an old model and thats the way it was done on that model, thus NO DEFECT. Furthermore that he was doing the Velcro different on all Newer Future Models. He then offered to UPGRADE your old Model to the NEWER Model for $75 which you accepted.

And you call this a BAD Experience? Looks like the man helped you out and this is the way you repay him? There was no defect and further more after talking to Tom, you knew this. And now you use your website to make it look like Tom sold you a defective product. Shame on you Attroll. BTW, I verified this story before posting here, so pls PM me if you want to know where I got this Info. A very very reliable source believe me :)

BTW I reviewed 2 seperate sources on this before posting and BOTH told the SAME story, the one I printed here.

Sorry attrol but I had to tell it like it is.

[dixicritter]

OK folks, this thread is about which hammock is best for light weight backpackers NOT the let's all start bickering thread.

[BillyBob58]

Why don't you all read what Tom Hennessy himself has said, instead of worrying about the definition of hearsay. http://hennessyhammock.com/formumfeedback/.

That made for pretty good reading. Now we can consider both sides of the story.

[BillyBob58]

It's hard to say which is the BEST lightweight hammock. I have overall been very happy with my HH ultralight asym (HHULAS) explorer. I'm a just a tad to heavy and tall to use the lighter models. And I have been increasingly happy with my supershelter as I have gained experience on how to make it work to full potential to keep me warm. I spent a week last fall in Wyoming's Wind River Mountains learning to use this contraption. Despite a lot of cursing the first cold night, by the end of the week I was a convert and hope never to go back to ground if it can be helped.

I also love the simplicity of my Speer, though it is not as spacious in the shoulders and overall. Used with an SPE and pads it can handle serious cold, plus you are all set for the ground if hings go wrong. And I think it weighs a little less plus I can leave the netting behind to save a few more ounces during winter. And it is very easy to use as a chair or lounger, and a bit quicker(than the HH) to connect to the trees. Although, my personal opinion is that if you can get around the HH ridgeline, it makes an even better chair, sense it gives a nice flat sitting surface. Other than altering the ridgeline, the easiest way to use it( the HH ) as a chair is to hang it with a lot of slack. Then the ridgeline is much less bothersome.

And Neo and Miguel are two that absolutely swear by the Claytor jungle hammock. I'd love to try one out, but I've never even seen one yet. I think they might be a little bit heavier, though. But I think this one might run a little heavier.

[BillyBob58]

I think they might be a little bit heavier, though. But I think this one might run a little heavier.
oops, never mind on that last sentence, which is a repeat of the one before. I don't know how to edit a post on this forum.

[attroll]

I has come to my attention of another side of this story. It appears that you got the OLD Model ( As a Closeout BTW ) of the HH Hammock with the OLD version of velcro that wasnt full length. And that upon showing this to Tom Hennessy, he told you that it was an old model and thats the way it was done on that model, thus NO DEFECT. Furthermore that he was doing the Velcro different on all Newer Future Models. He then offered to UPGRADE your old Model to the NEWER Model for $75 which you accepted.

And you call this a BAD Experience? Looks like the man helped you out and this is the way you repay him? There was no defect and further more after talking to Tom, you knew this. And now you use your website to make it look like Tom sold you a defective product. Shame on you Attroll. BTW, I verified this story before posting here, so pls PM me if you want to know where I got this Info. A very very reliable source believe me :)

BTW I reviewed 2 seperate sources on this before posting and BOTH told the SAME story, the one I printed here.

Sorry attrol but I had to tell it like it is.
I did not buy the hammock as a closeout.

I am not using the web site to make Tom look like he sold a defective product. People can read what I wrote and decide themselves. I was just stating it like it is. I have nothing bad to say about the hammock. I was just answering a question that someone posted and stated that I had recently had a bad experience with Tom thinking I was the one they were referring to. As you can see I was not whining or complaining in my previous post about it, nor did I say anything bad about Tom and his products. I just stated that I felt like it should have been replaced at no cost.

I have no reason to lie. I love my HH hammocks. In fact just like you I own several of them. If I did not like it I would not have paid Tom $75 for a replacement like I did.

[sirbingo]

Didn't TH patent the snakeskins design and then tell other people to stop selling basically a tube shaped piece of fabric?

:rolleyes:

[trippclark]

Didn't TH patent the snakeskins design and then tell other people to stop selling basically a tube shaped piece of fabric?

:rolleyes:

Yes. This is true.

[locorogue]

I used a 'Byer' parachute hammock all this summer camping. Then I went to the popular hammockforums(.net), and realized I was in the minority with my $20, 11oz., hammock. Now I am one who likes the best, but I dont like to fit into the crowd, so I usually start at the bottom and work my way up. I have yet to "work my way up", as my Byer was apparently not at the bottom.
Lets speculate, if I do the math, a HH costs approx $200, and has a life of 10 years of extensive use. Now take a 'byer' $20 hammock, that I have yet a need to replace, lets figure replace it half the time, 5 years. So for $200, the 'Byer' or similar, my last me 50 years?:-?
Sorry HH...

[Frolicking Dinosaurs]

While I can't use some of the lighter options due to ortho injuries, I have tried out practically all of the hammocks out there. Byers are light and comfortable, but I wouldn't use one outside of the summer season because the deep dip in the middle would make insulating it in other seasons a real difficult task. You could do it, but you would have to have something like the Speer Snug-fit or a pea pod or become an expert at snugging-up a substantial underquilt - and that would defeat your desire not to spend a fortune and carry a lot of weight / bulk. If you plan to sleep in temps below about 40*F, I would recommend looking at models that can used a close-cell foam pad underneath for insulation.

The HH can do this, but not very well from what I've seen. If I were going for an enclosed hammock, I would go with a WarBonnet if you can get one. It is radically new design that minimizes several of the problems people have had with pads moving around (due to the trademark HH split at the foot) and I felt the Warbonnet was roomier inside, more stable and the sweet spot was easier to find.