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jessearl
08-28-2007, 17:31
I took my Hennessy Expedition Asym backpacking this past weekend. And like most hammockers, I sleep on my back and have my hands folded on my chest and my elbows to my sides.
Well, the mosquitos were pretty heavy this weekend and while none of them got into my hammock, I got bite by them through the bottom of my hammock.
My elbows which were resting on the fabric on the bottom of the hammock have little mosquito bites all over them.
Anybody else have problems with mosquitos biting them through the bottom of their hammock?
Any solutions?
chiefdaddy
08-28-2007, 17:43
I have the Hennessey ultra lite backpacker and use a sleeping bag to keep this from happening. Gotta have a little something more between yourself and the vampire bugs. Has happened once to me and wont again lol.
Cannibal
08-28-2007, 17:48
You don't need any additional layers. Spray or soak your hammock in permethrian. I use this on my hammocks and have not had ANY problems with bugs biting thru it. Let it dry before you use it, but other than that it is wonderful. I use it on my clothes too and haven't noticed a tick crawling up my legs since.
i'm pretty cold all the time, so even in the depths of summer, i've got at least the Weathershield if not the entire JRB underquilt under me. but i'll second the Permethrin treatment. good stuff, and i do my whole hammock in it (along with hat, socks, shorts, pack, and boots.)
Jim Adams
08-28-2007, 18:14
Anybody else have problems with mosquitos biting them through the bottom of their hammock?
Any solutions?
Use a tent!!!:D
geek
I took my Hennessy Expedition Asym backpacking this past weekend. And like most hammockers, I sleep on my back and have my hands folded on my chest and my elbows to my sides.
Well, the mosquitos were pretty heavy this weekend and while none of them got into my hammock, I got bite by them through the bottom of my hammock.
My elbows which were resting on the fabric on the bottom of the hammock have little mosquito bites all over them.
Anybody else have problems with mosquitos biting them through the bottom of their hammock?
Any solutions?
:) get one of these and your troubles are over:cool: neo
http://www.mosquitohammock.com/junglehammock.html
How often do you need to treat with Permethrin?
chiefdaddy
08-28-2007, 19:12
I would rather not poison myself or my dog lol that's just me. I worked in Pest control when I was younger and I just don't like putting that stuff all over me or my stuff.
CoyoteWhips
08-28-2007, 19:31
Earlier this month I did an overnight in the hammock. I'd put my hand behind my head and one arm rested against the noseeum netting. I got a dozen bites on one elbow.
I'm looking forward to that third season with all those flying vampires are down for the rest of the year.
Cannibal
08-28-2007, 19:42
How often do you need to treat with Permethrin?
Every 6 weeks. Whatever you're treating needs to dry for at least 3 hours. You can wash all you want without decreasing effectiveness.
Cannibal
08-28-2007, 19:47
I would rather not poison myself or my dog lol that's just me. I worked in Pest control when I was younger and I just don't like putting that stuff all over me or my stuff.
Valid point. I haven't read anything stating any negative effects on humans (once dry), but it's possible I suppose. Dogs may be a different story, I don't know. Still, the 'vampires' certainly carry all kinds of nasties; I'll take my chances with science.:D
Use a tent!!!:D
geek
:D tents suck:cool: neo
Nightwalker
08-28-2007, 21:47
Use a tent!!!:D
geek
Why go backward? :sun
Nightwalker
08-28-2007, 21:49
Valid point. I haven't read anything stating any negative effects on humans (once dry), but it's possible I suppose. Dogs may be a different story, I don't know. Still, the 'vampires' certainly carry all kinds of nasties; I'll take my chances with science.:D
Don't know about the dog,but Permethrin is in the flea spray that I use on the cat. I can't imagine dogs as more sensitive than my wife's prissy-butt cat. :)
I took my Hennessy Expedition Asym backpacking this past weekend. And like most hammockers, I sleep on my back and have my hands folded on my chest and my elbows to my sides.
Well, the mosquitos were pretty heavy this weekend and while none of them got into my hammock, I got bite by them through the bottom of my hammock.
My elbows which were resting on the fabric on the bottom of the hammock have little mosquito bites all over them.
Anybody else have problems with mosquitos biting them through the bottom of their hammock?
Any solutions?
:) my claytor jungle hammock has a double bottom no mosquitto bites on me:cool: neo
http://www.mosquitohammock.com/junglehammock.html
Auntie Mame
08-29-2007, 23:29
Neo, Do you use that Claytor with a thin pad in the pocket, or just as is?
When I first started hanging I got bit thru the bottom, by OHIO mosquitos (much much smaller than AT skeeters). Due to operator error I trashed the ziper on the netting on my Bayer, when I got the hammock from SG I decided to take the netting off the Bayer, & sew it to the bottom/underside of the new hammock. I havn't been bitten thru the bottom since. :D Yes, it adds weight, but not much (4 - 5 Oz?) so I'm happy.
Neo, Do you use that Claytor with a thin pad in the pocket, or just as is?
i use a pad in cooler weather:cool: neo
I tie my poncho under the bottom of my hammock.
oldfivetango
08-31-2007, 14:20
I would recommend you AVOID PRODUCTS LIKE REPEL etc on the
hammock itself.I have noted that stuff eats up most any matierial,
including hard plastics to leather.I ruined a very nice recliner with REPEL
that I had failed to clean off my neck and ears before taking a nap.
I don't know what effect Permanone products would have but I have
used it on items without ruining them.
The HH has a weathershield that I keep in place all year just for the
bug protection etc.
Oldfivetango
Cannibal
08-31-2007, 16:06
I've been using the Permethrian on all my hammocks since May and have been using them heavily. I started treating my clothing sometime in late June. I have not noticed ANY wear on the materials from the Permethrian. I might add that I'm very paranoid about it damaging my hammocks (don't mind streaking, but hate falling) so I inspect them OFTEN for any damage.
I've used permethrin on my hammocks for several years, and have had no apparent damage.
BumpJumper
09-01-2007, 00:15
How much does the jungle hammock weigh? So they all have a double bottom?
oldfivetango
09-01-2007, 10:36
I've used permethrin on my hammocks for several years, and have had no apparent damage.
There is a difference in the permethrine products like Permanone
as opposed to regular REPEL bugspray.REPEL will eat stuff alive.
I have used the other permethrines successfully on clothing and
boots etc and hunting equipment.Just don't try to substitute REPEL
or you will be sorry.
Oldfivetango
MrSparex
09-03-2007, 15:49
After months of trying to find the perfect tent...I just ordered an expedition hammock today. I hiked in and around Damascus this weekend and realized that a flat spot is hard to find at times! I carry a vapor trail and a 20 degree mountain hardwear bag that weighs less than 3 pounds so the hammock is a nice way to finish "the big three". It got nippy Saturday night which kinda surprised me. I had to get in the bag rather than on top of it. We ate at Jerry's store (formerly Troutdale trading) and they pointed us down the street to Hurricane campground where we walked out to the falls. We found a 4 foot plus blacksnake and a brown snake on the trail...
Permethrin is sold at REI or here:
http://www.bitesandstingsonline.com/repellent.htm?source=googleadwords
(Shipping is $$, unless you biuty in bulk)
Pyrethrin is a natural derivative of a chrysanthemum. Permethrin is the synthetic version.
Those who are allergic to chrysanthemums may experience contact sensitivity to pyrethrin/permethrin, as it is a directly derived or a synthetic derivative of the active insecticidal component of chrysanthemum flowers. Also, since a small amount of formaldehyde is present in permethrin 5%, it is possible that some people may experience contact dermatitis. However, very few reports of sensitivity to these compounds have been confirmed. Itching, tingling, numbness, redness or irritation may occur.
Patients with asthma may experience some breathing difficulty or an asthmatic episode.
Pregnant women should use pyrethrin or permethrin only if clearly needed, as no controlled studies have been done to assess potential effects. As it is not known whether the drug is excreted in breast milk, nursing mothers should either stop nursing while using pyrethrin or permethrin or not use the drugs. Patients are cautioned to consult a physician before using lice treatment products in pregnancy, during breast feeding or on children under 2 years of age.
Pyrethrin and permethrin both demonstrate very low dermal absorption and are quickly metabolized to inactive metabolites that are excreted in the urine. Permethrin can be detected on the hair for at least 10 days following application.
ozarkjeep
09-10-2007, 00:58
Good info Beeman,
but it still sounds like nasty stuff to me?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrethrin
whitefoot_hp
09-10-2007, 16:32
How much does the jungle hammock weigh? So they all have a double bottom?
three pounds, w/ fly
http://www.mosquitohammock.com/
SuperTroll
09-18-2007, 21:05
Good info Beeman,
but it still sounds like nasty stuff to me?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrethrin
Thats the PYrethrin.....it's the PERMethrin being suggested :)
Walmart carries the spray in the camping section...I've been using it for years, outside of that third ear I grew, no problems yet.......
BillyBob58
09-21-2007, 00:18
I thought HH advertised the material (in the Ultralight backpacker asym and explorer ultralight) as mosquito proof. Is this not true? I have never had any mosquito bites so far in my explorer UL, but the I mostly(but not always) have used it with the Supershelter, so I have an extra bottom layer or 2.
Bill
Well, I guess it's not exactly true:
HH website:
We recommend the Backpacker Asym and Explorer Ultralight models for mosquito infested areas of the world because they feature hammock bottoms made from tightly woven, high performance fabrics which combine durability, better mosquito-resistance, extra-comfortable softness, and perspiration-wicking properties.
Please note, however we do not recommend that you put your bare skin against the hammock fabric. It is common knowlege that extremely persistent mosquitoes can penetrate almost any single layer of woven material, even a heavy pair of jeans, but have very little chance of biting through multiple layers of fabric. Although tropical fabrics for shirts and pants are usually more tightly woven and provide better protection than other clothing. we recommend that hammock users take extra precautions to prevent being stung through the hammock body. We are regularily updating our website with information about the need to wear clothing in the hammmock or place multiple layers of fabric, a pad, or a sleeping bag into the bottom of the
hammock to make it impossible for mosquitoes to bite through. The Hennessy Hammock's patented "hold-outs" on each side keep the netting well away from your face and the high fabric sides help minimize the chance of being bitten through the netting. Remember also to protect yourself in camp when you are outside the hammock.
For those who don't add layers of fabric for protection, the use of bug spray to the outside of the hammock bottom and netting is common practice in the tropics. The use of Permethrin spray is a standard precaution for many jungle travelers, including the military. This is a very strong spray, not available everywhere. Both extra layers of fabric plus your choice of spray is the best protection. We recommend that you determine what is the best solution for you. It's also a good idea to consult a Tropical Medicine consultant in your area.
BillyBob58
09-21-2007, 00:20
That quote was from:
http://www.hennessyhammock.com/sp-expedition.html
blaquarta
09-21-2007, 00:40
Check the MOSQUITO NET of Ticket to the Moon, it is special for hammock comodation. You can check that on the web site www.ticketothemoon.com (http://www.ticketothemoon.com).
See you later travellers....
Cannibal
09-21-2007, 09:32
Check the MOSQUITO NET of Ticket to the Moon, it is special for hammock comodation. You can check that on the web site www.ticketothemoon.com (http://www.ticketothemoon.com).
See you later travellers....
The problem with that is if your rear-end is pressed against the netting, like in the picture then those little buggers can still get a snout into you.
BillyBob58
09-21-2007, 09:43
There is a difference in the permethrine products like Permanone
as opposed to regular REPEL bugspray.REPEL will eat stuff alive.
I have used the other permethrines successfully on clothing and
boots etc and hunting equipment.Just don't try to substitute REPEL
or you will be sorry.
Oldfivetango
Does Permetrin on your clothing keep Mosquitos away from you when you are out side, or do you still need deet on exposed skin?
Cannibal
09-21-2007, 09:55
Use Deet on exposed skin. The Permethrian is not a repellent it is an insecticide and will only work with contact. So if a mosquito lands on your skin and you have no Deet, it gets lunch.