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All - I've downsized my grease pot to a snowpeak 600 titanium cup and now i'm downsizing my pocket rocket to something of the alcohol variety.
I've been experimenting with the various flavors of the cat stove design, using at this point 2 different catfood cans (fancy feast and walmart brand) as well as a hacked off redbull can. Due to the small diameter of the snowpeak, i get alot of side flames. It's reduced with the redbull can, bringing a cup of water to boil in about 5 1/2 mins @ 28F outside temp, whereas the fancy feast takes about 7 mins. The redbull can probabaly is around 3/4 - 1" narrower. I still think 5 1/2 mins is a little excessive for 1 cup, and I can see the wasted energy shooting up the sides of the mug.
I typically eat out of a freezer bag, so having the extra size of the grease pot didn't make sense any more. I just need something I can boil water in.
Has anyone else worked on a stove for a "cup" more so that a stove and found a good working design for the shorter diameter? Please let me know.
TIA!
Ryan
I know this is going to sound like a pain. but make one with two bottom burn holes a round the top edge and 5 little holes in the middle to pore alcohol in a cover under stove for a primer and a pot stand 1 in. or more above stove.Or a small tomato juce can made as cat stove. Some hair spray can alum. are small for cat stove. If need some pictures i got some already made that work under small pots.
Have you tried the "low pressure" red bull/V8 can stove on the zenstoves website? It's flame pattern is pretty narrow.
socalhiker
11-25-2007, 01:14
If you drill the holes on the Pepsi can (or other 12 oz soda or beer can) right at the bottom of the ridge in the crook of it, you have pretty much the same diameter of flame pattern as you do with a 5.5 oz V8 can and the other similarly sized cans. That being observed I have not been able to see a significant difference in time to boil between the Pepsi can and the 5.5 oz cans in the stoves I have built.
Thanks for the feedback. So far, I've only meddled with the cat stove design as I'm trying to pull something off that does not require a pot stand or a significant amount of cutting. If I have to make more than a few cuts, things start going downhill fast!! I was not born with the art of a steady hand or the ability to do much in a straight line!
I will check out the designs mentioned and report back next weekend -- that will be my next opportunity to play. The winter is great for projects such as these!
Thanks all!
Skidsteer
11-25-2007, 21:38
If you only need to boil one cup then use a tea light tin with a hardware cloth stand. Should do the job and then some.
No sense getting fancy without reason.
Javasanctum
11-25-2007, 22:48
If you drill the holes on the Pepsi can (or other 12 oz soda or beer can) right at the bottom of the ridge in the crook of it, you have pretty much the same diameter of flame pattern as you do with a 5.5 oz V8 can and the other similarly sized cans. That being observed I have not been able to see a significant difference in time to boil between the Pepsi can and the 5.5 oz cans in the stoves I have built.
Same results here. I lean toward the Pepsi with jets facing the center. It seams to focus the flame-column to a fine point (great for peculators too). Some folks don't like having to use a pot-stand but mine "telescopes" for tighter storage. Either way, I find playing with height has the biggest effect on boil times.
bigcranky
11-26-2007, 08:32
I have the same problem with my snow peak 700 and my pepsi can stove. My three solutions have been: Brasslite stove (open center burner), fuel tab stove (Esbit style), and canister stove.
The fuel tab stove is the lightest -- 13g for the stove (http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/titanium-esbit-wing-stove.html), which has built-in pot supports. Half of a 14g fuel tab (http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/firelite_solid_fuel_esbit_tablets.html) will bring 2 cups of water to a boil in about 10 minutes. With the pot, aluminum foil lid, pot cozy, and wind screen the total kitchen weight is about 5 ounces. The biggest drawback is how long it takes to boil water. Also, in windy weather, it takes more fuel, even with a good windscreen. And the fuel leaves sticky black residue on the pot and the stove.
The Brasslite stove (http://www.brasslite.com/) is well-made, and has built-in pot supports. But, my older model is fairly narrow and doesn't provide much stability, especially with a tall, narrow pot full of boiling water. Their newer stoves appear to be wider, and should be more stable (though I don't know if a snow peak mug will fit anymore.)
The canister stove is the heaviest, and also the most convenient, but you already know that if you are trying to move away from your pocket rocket.
Good luck.
jeepmedic
11-26-2007, 08:50
Try a "Klasslite" stove by Jason Klass. It is an all in one pot stand and stove, And works very well with mugs. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQc3L8n5kqY.
Johnny Thunder
11-26-2007, 09:41
Zelph's Starlyte....Duh!
I use mine under my Snow Peak cup for a morning joe.