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read about the hiker that was missing can find the post i know it on here somewhere.I was watching the new early today around 9:00 am A father and his three kids are missing in the same area as the first hiker. Sure hope they are OK hope they find all of them. :eek:
RockyBob
12-19-2007, 14:26
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,317428,00.html
Ramble~On
12-19-2007, 14:36
Somehow i don't think you meant to put that dancing bananna next to the caption for this one. 2 adults and two minors lost in a foot of snow, without being prepared for it and temeratures in the 20's doesn't sound like dancing bananna to me.
doggiebag
12-19-2007, 14:39
As opposed to Wildcat - this group is not prepared for an overnight bivouac. Though the search has been initiated early enough to give them a chance. It all depends on if they can keep their head together with regards to their priorities in this situation. I hope for a speedy rescue for these folks.
doggiebag
12-19-2007, 14:40
Somehow i don't think you meant to put that dancing bananna next to the caption for this one. 2 adults and two minors lost in a foot of snow, without being prepared for it and temeratures in the 20's doesn't sound like dancing bananna to me.
Agreed ... can a moderator remove that thing?
"Hiker" is misleading, too. According to the news article, it's a father and his 3 children(one is 18yrs old) out looking for a Christmas tree. This is so sad. Will continue to keep the family in my thoughts and prayers.
max patch
12-19-2007, 17:19
just saw news update that family has been found ok.
Great news! Now we can bring out the banana!! :banana
doggiebag
12-19-2007, 17:27
Very nice. 2 close calls within 3 days of each other and it turned out well for all.
That's at least 2 bananas :banana :banana .
Make that 4 bananas !!!! :banana :banana :banana :banana
doggiebag
12-19-2007, 18:05
All four members of a family that vanished Sunday in the Northern California mountains while searching for a christmas tree have been found alive, FOX News reported Wednesday.
"They have found all four, and they appear to be OK," said Paradise Police Sgt. Steve Rowe.
He said rescuers airlifted Frederick Dominguez, 38, and his three children, aged 18, 15 and 12, out of the mountains and were planning to evaluate their condition. The children walked out of the snow into a crowd of media and excited rescuers gathered at the staging area for the search.
More than a foot of snow had fallen in the area since the family disappeared Sunday, with drifts measured up to 7 feet. The four were found as a powerful storm carrying even more snow was bearing down on the region.
The family survived nearly four days outdoors in sub-freezing temperatures by taking refuge from the storm inside a large drainage pipe, venturing out to carve the word 'HELP' in the snow. They had also left a cap behind as a marker.
Dominguez and his children were reported missing by Dominguez's ex-wife and mother of the children on Monday night after learning that the youngest had not shown up for school, the Sacramento Bee reported.
Later that night, their truck was found parked alongside the road.
The children's grandmother, Barbara Sams, told FOX News that all four victims had hypothermia but were "safe and fine."
"This will be the merriest Christmas I'll ever have," Sams said.
Sams said the elder Dominguez had recently moved to the area and was not used to the weather in the region.
"They weren't expecting snow and they weren't thinking that they were going to be out there very long," Dominguez's ex-wife, Lisa Sams, told Fox News earlier Wednesday.
The family was rescued by helicopter and were taken to a nearby hospital.
Click here for the Sacramento Bee story. (http://www.sacbee.com/101/story/577983.html)
The Associated Press contributed to this story.
Sorry about the banana did not mean to click on it meant to click on sad face
doggiebag
12-19-2007, 18:19
No biggie. Everyone knows it was a mistake. Great ending though!
No biggie. Everyone knows it was a mistake. Great ending though!
If it was no biggie why'd you holler for a Mod? And posters are thinking they're over stepping their bounds.. I guess only when they think so. :rolleyes:
Anyway, two great outcomes in as many days. :banana
doggiebag
12-19-2007, 19:26
I have no apologies for having a dancing banana removed from a thread that was obviously posted in error. If I made the same mistake I would expect someone to help fix it.
CoyoteWhips
12-19-2007, 19:29
We will one day tell our grandchildren the story of the great WB Dancing Banana controversy.
doggiebag
12-19-2007, 19:30
It's silly and it's over.
Wanderingson
12-19-2007, 23:50
My heart is warmed to hear the news of the speedy recovery of these folks. Sounds like eveyone will be able to enjoy a Griswald Family Christmas afterall--sn't that right Clark? Clark?
Ramble~On
12-20-2007, 00:00
Sorry about the banana did not mean to click on it meant to click on sad face
Yeah, I figured it was a mistake and sorry if I sounded mean and nasty.
Frolicking Dinosaurs
12-20-2007, 07:20
:(:(:(:(
Don't you love my dancing bananas? :D;)
saimyoji
12-20-2007, 08:12
Bet 'ya the guys ex files charges for child endangerment, has visitation rights revoked and a restraining order against him before x-mas.
Bet 'ya the guys ex files charges for child endangerment, has visitation rights revoked and a restraining order against him before x-mas.
Isn't the holiday spirit great?:eek:
Javasanctum
12-20-2007, 10:46
Did anyone read the article about PANIC in backpacker Magazine? These four did not panic and are alive!! This reminds me that we need to educate our loved ones more often.
They also didn't strike me as all that swift, either. Maybe I am just cranky about "wasting" SAR resources. Glad they are safe.
ChinMusic
12-20-2007, 12:34
Can you say GPS
That and good batteries would do it.
I might be wrong but weren't they on a quest to find the "perfect Christmas tree"? Is so, how far from the truck were they planning to go? I know one night I had trouble finding my tent after going out for a pee, so you don't have to wander far to get lost.
I'm glad they made it.
Now! What the hell was he thinking! How do you go out into the woods, and lose your car.
I don't think GPS is the right answer. I think remaining level headed and close knit was the right answer. Also they did the right thing by getting outdoors together and getting a real tree. Yeah, don't know how they lost their truck, but it happens. There is a way lot of stuff I would pack before a GPS though. Still don't have one. Possibly never will. Way lot of stuff I will buy my daughter before I do. Maybe if they get cheap enough though.
ChinMusic
12-20-2007, 13:46
I don't think GPS is the right answer......... There is a way lot of stuff I would pack before a GPS though. Still don't have one. Possibly never will.
HUH????
With a GPS, you mark your truck's position and "cookie crumb" your trip. It just doesn't get much easier than that.
But I guess if you don't have a GPS you wouldn't know......
I heard on the news this morning how they used jackets to wrap up feet (1 jacket over 2 ppl's feet) and they cut wet clothing (the bottoms of their pants) off to remove the contact with the skin.
I am just amazed that no one had matches or a lighter on them. But even with out tehm you can still make a fire. I am very happy to hear everyone walked out ok, with maybe just a little bit of frost nip, but jeeze did you see what they were wearing when they got off the rescue heli ? no jackets, just light fleece tops.
troglobil
12-20-2007, 14:44
They also didn't strike me as all that swift, either. Maybe I am just cranky about "wasting" SAR resources. Glad they are safe.
How the hell was that a waste?
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Unnecessary, foolish, three day vacation. They should have stayed within sight of the vehicle if they are so citified. Within sight of concrete might be better.
That's how the heaven.
HUH????
With a GPS, you mark your truck's position and "cookie crumb" your trip. It just doesn't get much easier than that.
But I guess if you don't have a GPS you wouldn't know......Just saying I'm a food and clothing first kinda guy.
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Unnecessary, foolish, three day vacation. They should have stayed within sight of the vehicle if they are so citified. Within sight of concrete might be better.
That's how the heaven.Yeah, but they didn't. They may have been inexperienced, but it's not like they went off looking for trouble. They were a family going off a little ways into the woods for a christmas tree. A family should be allowed to do that and makes some mistakes without everybody going all ape **** about responsibility. Yeah they should have known better, but they didn't. At least they were a family wanting some outdoors time. This is what SARs is for.
SARs isn't just for 'experienced responsible prepared people' that just happen to have the bad luck to break a leg on the side of a mountain in the middle of nowhere when the weather closes in worse than forecast. :rolleyes:
ChinMusic
12-20-2007, 16:00
Just saying I'm a food and clothing first kinda guy.
Food and clothing are important but FINDING your truck is paramount in avoiding the need for emergency items.
Yeah, but they didn't. They may have been inexperienced, but it's not like they went off looking for trouble. They were a family going off a little ways into the woods for a christmas tree. A family should be allowed to do that and makes some mistakes without everybody going all ape **** about responsibility. Yeah they should have known better, but they didn't. At least they were a family wanting some outdoors time. This is what SARs is for.
SARs isn't just for 'experienced responsible prepared people' that just happen to have the bad luck to break a leg on the side of a mountain in the middle of nowhere when the weather closes in worse than forecast. :rolleyes:
If you want Canadian SAR dudes to risk life and limb fine.
I wish people would think for a minute before endangering SAR guys/gals.
More than one has bought it looking for an idiot.
Helicopters are expensive to maintain and operate.
I am glad they are safe.
doggiebag
12-20-2007, 16:13
Sometimes a little imagination helps reconstructing events that may have caused the situation which led to a happy ending.
We have a father of 3 taking his children to find the perfect tree. It's his first time doing this ... they're having a good time. They see plenty of trees but the weather is nice and precious memories are being made. They want the moment to last so maybe they venture further and further with the prospect of the perfect tree just over the next rise, it's starts snowing a bit ... nothing to worry about. Then everyone gets chilled ... maybe they found that tree. It starts snowing harder - they cut the tree and start dragging it back to the vehicle possibly following their initial tracks. They may have traveled much farther than anticipated - their tracks get covered up. Then the beautiful memories being made takes a 180 and starts turning into every parents nightmare. They keep their head together and through instinct and good common sense they find shelter and stay put until SAR arrives. It's a happy ending and millions are now more aware of what to bring for the next Christmast tree expedition. As a bonus SAR get's deployed on a live mission with a happy ending.
CoyoteWhips
12-20-2007, 16:16
Nobody plans to get lost. If you're not used to heavily forested land, you can be surprised how lost you can get a few hundred yards from your car. Add a little hypothermia and dehydration and everybody gets stupid.
That family was in a survival situation and lived -- that's as much as you can ask any trained wilderness expert.
Alligator
12-20-2007, 16:17
I'm very happy these folks are safe and sound.
Was there snow on the ground when they got lost? I have to wonder how they could not follow their footprints back.
Next year they should get an artificial tree:eek: .
If you want Canadian SAR dudes to risk life and limb fine.
I wish people would think for a minute before endangering SAR guys/gals.
More than one has bought it looking for an idiot.
Helicopters are expensive to maintain and operate.
I am glad they are safe.I don't think we should expect families to think about SARs and GPS or take a bloody survival training course every time they get out of their car and show some interest in the outdoors.
You folks are all nuts. Have some perspective.
Families need more outdoors time. We all know that. Where do they start?
Outdoors !
Nobody plans to get lost. If you're not used to heavily forested land, you can be surprised how lost you can get a few hundred yards from your car. Add a little hypothermia and dehydration and everybody gets stupid.
That family was in a survival situation and lived -- that's as much as you can ask any trained wilderness expert.Well said.
dessertrat
12-20-2007, 16:29
I heard on the news this morning how they used jackets to wrap up feet (1 jacket over 2 ppl's feet) and they cut wet clothing (the bottoms of their pants) off to remove the contact with the skin.
I am just amazed that no one had matches or a lighter on them. But even with out tehm you can still make a fire. I am very happy to hear everyone walked out ok, with maybe just a little bit of frost nip, but jeeze did you see what they were wearing when they got off the rescue heli ? no jackets, just light fleece tops.
Well, now that everyone seems to have quit smoking, nobody ever has matches or a lighter. . . seriously, not to encourage smoking, but have you ever wondered how many lives have been saved by the happy accident of a smoker's bic lighter or matches?
I am curious about the SAR people and "risking life and limb".
a) Aren't the SAR people the experts who know how to stay safe including protecting themselves when on a SAR mission?
b) When the SAR people push the safety limit on their own lives to save others, aren't they making a conscious decision and know it is part of being a SAR person?
dessertrat
12-20-2007, 16:33
Don't you love my dancing bananas? :D;)
If you wanna be a top banana, you gotta start from the bottom of the bunch. . . :mad:
Oh, I meant :p
I am curious about the SAR people and "risking life and limb".
a) Aren't the SAR people the experts who know how to stay safe including protecting themselves when on a SAR mission?
b) When the SAR people push the safety limit on their own lives to save others, aren't they making a conscious decision and know it is part of being a SAR person?I understand your point. No doubt like yourself and others I think that once people have any experience at all they need to be responsible in the outdoors, and build on their experience with even more experience and preparation and research. I think it is understandable to rag on people when they take a cavalier approach to the outdoors, especially when they should know better. Like you I don't think this is one of those cases. This is what SAR is really for in my opinion. They are not really for people like you and me and the others on this forum that should know enough to learn more before going farther. They are really for people and families like this one that might happen to take their first step in the wrong direction. My guess is the SAR people on the scene did not treat this like another one of those acts of stupidity they probably have to deal with far to often. Like you I think people should think before they open up with the same old canned responses as always. Don't go anywhere's without a GPS. Talk a survival course. Make 'em pay. Blah blah blah.
Nice to see that there are still families out there cutting their own Christmas trees.
Its as good a first step as any.
doggiebag
12-20-2007, 16:57
I understand your point. No doubt like yourself and others I think that once people have any experience at all they need to be responsible in the outdoors, and build on their experience with even more experience and preparation and research. I think it is understandable to rag on people when they take a cavalier approach to the outdoors, especially when they should know better. Like you I don't think this is one of those cases. This is what SAR is really for in my opinion. They are not really for people like you and me and the others on this forum that should know enough to learn more before going farther. They are really for people and families like this one that might happen to take their first step in the wrong direction. My guess is the SAR people on the scene did not treat this like another one of those acts of stupidity they probably have to deal with far to often. Like you I think people should think before they open up with the same old canned responses as always. Don't go anywhere's without a GPS. Talk a survival course. Make 'em pay. Blah blah blah.
Nice to see that there are still families out there cutting their own Christmas trees.
Its as good a first step as any.
I agree strongly with all your points. I'm sure SAR personell are quite happy that this was a rescue as opposed to a recovery. God bless them.
Nice to see that there are still families out there cutting their own Christmas trees.
Its as good a first step as any.
Yes, but where does one get carbon credits for cutting down a tree? :-?
Well, now that everyone seems to have quit smoking, nobody ever has matches or a lighter. . . seriously, not to encourage smoking, but have you ever wondered how many lives have been saved by the happy accident of a smoker's bic lighter or matches?Interesting thought. In all those old photos and drawings of Micmac women in Nova Scotia you rarely see them without a pipe in their mouths eh. I think perhaps the better answer today is to always make sure you can make a small cup of hot tea, and always do so, even if its just a day hike. I still might get myself a pipe someday though. :)
Yes, but where does one get carbon credits for cutting down a tree? :-?Apparently they are way more eco-friendly than artificial trees. :)
Going out and picking your own can be more eco-friendly than buying a real tree also. Might depend on where you live, but I think Christmas tree farms can be over done though. I think it should be done as part of a thinning process for some mix-used silviculture. I am generally against monocultures of any kind. We get a tree every year. Sometimes from the woods. Sometimes from a u-pick operation. Sadly these past few years from the parking lot guy, but that is also fun. I use the branches around the garden and save the trunk for next years Yule log. Cheers.
Good King Wenceslas looked out
On the feast of Stephen
When the snow lay round about
Deep and crisp and even
Brightly shone the moon that night
Though the frost was cruel
When a poor man came in sight
Gath'ring winter fuel
"Hither, page, and stand by me
If thou know'st it, telling
Yonder peasant, who is he?
Where and what his dwelling?"
"Sire, he lives a good league hence
Underneath the mountain
Right against the forest fence
By Saint Agnes' fountain."
"Bring me flesh and bring me wine
Bring me pine logs hither
Thou and I will see him dine
When we bear him thither."
Page and monarch forth they went
Forth they went together
Through the rude wind's wild lament
And the bitter weather
"Sire, the night is darker now
And the wind blows stronger
Fails my heart, I know not how,
I can go no longer."
"Mark my footsteps, my good page
Tread thou in them boldly
Thou shalt find the winter's rage
Freeze thy blood less coldly."
In his master's steps he trod
Where the snow lay dinted
Heat was in the very sod
Which the Saint had printed
Therefore, Christian men, be sure
Wealth or rank possessing
Ye who now will bless the poor
Shall yourselves find blessing
Interesting thought. In all those old photos and drawings of Micmac women in Nova Scotia you rarely see them without a pipe in their mouths eh. I think perhaps the better answer today is to always make sure you can make a small cup of hot tea, and always do so, even if its just a day hike. I still might get myself a pipe someday though. :)
My brother and I always carry a cigar and we only smoke them on a hike. (Golf is hiking too!) Just think, the lighter and backup matches for our cigar could save our life some day.
I'll be thinking of all the SAR folks when I sink that, my favourite carol, this year.
My brother and I always carry a cigar and we only smoke them on a hike. (Golf is hiking too!) Just think, the lighter and backup matches for our cigar could save our life some day.LOL. Be sure and always bring some good alcohol with you also. Very useful stuff that alcohol.
“I always take it (Scotch whiskey) at night as a preventive of toothache.
I have never had the toothache; and what is more, I never intend to have it.”
- Mark Twain in Europe and Elsewhere
LOL. Be sure and always bring some good alcohol with you also. Very useful stuff that alcohol.
“I always take it (Scotch whiskey) at night as a preventive of toothache.
I have never had the toothache; and what is more, I never intend to have it.”
- Mark Twain in Europe and Elsewhere
A good cigar is kind of lost without a good Scotch whiskey. And I would hate to send out a SAR team for either. :)
Nice quote.
dessertrat
12-20-2007, 17:25
LOL. Be sure and always bring some good alcohol with you also. Very useful stuff that alcohol.
“I always take it (Scotch whiskey) at night as a preventive of toothache.
I have never had the toothache; and what is more, I never intend to have it.”
- Mark Twain in Europe and Elsewhere
Make sure it's everclear or bacardi 151 if you want to burn it. It has to be more than half alcohol.
Alligator
12-20-2007, 17:39
Apparently they are way more eco-friendly than artificial trees. :)
Going out and picking your own can be more eco-friendly than buying a real tree also. Not if SAR is burning helicopter fuel to help you find it:).
ChinMusic
12-20-2007, 18:44
Not if SAR is burning helicopter fuel to help you find it:).
Yep, that tree has a SERIOUS carbon footprint......:(