View Full Version : AT Murderer found Dead in his Jail Cell!
egclimb3
05-10-2008, 22:36
read my post on the other Main story of this.
Go here (http://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/showthread.php?p=619754#post619754) to pick up the other thread at post #47.
4eyedbuzzard
05-11-2008, 00:50
Saved from the Corbon (http://www.dakotaammo.net/products/corbon/dpx.htm) ending he deserved.
Kinda ironic, if you ask me. He tries to kill two people and ends up being the one dead. Maybe there is some justice in the world.
D'Artagnan
05-12-2008, 09:12
Kinda ironic, if you ask me. He tries to kill two people and ends up being the one dead. Maybe there is some justice in the world.
Yeah, karma can be a real mo-fo.
Nearly Normal
05-13-2008, 06:28
What did he have against hikers?
Lone Wolf
05-13-2008, 06:49
What did he have against hikers?
nothing probably. they're just easy prey
minnesotasmith
05-13-2008, 07:17
nothing probably. they're just easy prey
Especially all the young women hikers hiking alone, as many do now. Sad how they make themselves more vulnerable to creeps like this unlamented creep.
4eyedbuzzard
05-13-2008, 07:17
nothing probably. they're just easy prey
Yep. They usually carry reasonable amounts of cash, and they're miles away from town, police, witnesses, and help. Often from out of town, usually don't like to be weighed down by weapons and/or arent permitted, etc. Perfect targets especially for a criminal who has some local knowledge.
Especially all the young women hikers hiking alone, as many do now. Sad how they make themselves more vulnerable to creeps like this unlamented creep.
You never miss a chance to push your agenda, do you?
I thought his most recent victims were a couple of fisherMEN.
Frolicking Dinosaurs
05-13-2008, 09:12
Good point, Marta. Smith had four victims - three were males and one was an accompanied female.
MS, by your logic men should avoid going into the woods with another person based on this killer's victims :D.
take-a-knee
05-13-2008, 09:15
Yes but haven't most of the murdered AT hikers been female?
Flush2wice
05-13-2008, 09:47
Yes but haven't most of the murdered AT hikers been female?
You have to define "AT hikers".
SGT Rock
05-13-2008, 09:50
I don't know. I think with the latest attacks there may be more women than men attacked, but there have been a few guys now that are victims as well. I mean look at old Randal Lee... He attacked 4 people, 3 of them were men.
As to all that, I don't think a criminal is going to say "are you a hiker" before deciding to attack. Anyone on the AT or in the AT corridor that gets attacked should be considered as part of the data. After all, if it hadn't been these fishermen at the camp, it could have been me and Alligator at the camp.
minnesotasmith
05-13-2008, 09:53
He said that hikers in general were/are easy prey for such monsters. I agreed, and elaborated that lone female hikers were most vulnerable. If that was untruthful, irrelevant, or unsympathetic, feel free to show with logic how that was. Otherwise, if you're going to show any class here, reread his short post, admit your mistake, and drop it.
Especially all the young women hikers hiking alone, as many do now. Sad how they make themselves more vulnerable to creeps like this unlamented creep.
The only female hiker to die at the hands of Smith, was hiking with her male companion. His last two victims were both males, camping together. If this case in any indication -- and it isn't -- male hikers should not hike with either females or other males, because it increases their chances of being killed.
I'm now writing from memory, but I believe most of the deaths on the trail have involved two hikers together. Statistically, single women may be the safest people on the trail.
Weary
SGT Rock
05-13-2008, 09:54
Actually MS, if you were going to show any class, you would have dropped it. Your babbling again.
Frolicking Dinosaurs
05-13-2008, 09:59
Yes but haven't most of the murdered AT hikers been female?Actually, females hiking alone have not been the standard victims:
Here are the murders on the AT:
1974 A 26 yo man was killed at shelter in GA
1975 A woman was killed by a male hiker with a hatchet in TN
1981 Randall Smith killed a male and female in VA
1988 A man frightened two women off the trail and shot them, killing one in PA
1990 A man and his fiancee were shot to death as they slept in the Thelma Marks Shelter also in PA
1996 Two women camping together were killed near the AT in VA
2008 Single female hiker, Meredith Emerson, abducted on Blood Mountain and later murdered.
Flush2wice
05-13-2008, 10:02
I know of 3 murders at beauty spot that have never been included in any tally of AT murders. They weren't hikers but they were within eyesight of the trail. Why aren't they ever counted?
SGT Rock
05-13-2008, 10:22
I know of 3 murders at beauty spot that have never been included in any tally of AT murders. They weren't hikers but they were within eyesight of the trail. Why aren't they ever counted?
I'm not familiar with these. Details?
Alligator
05-13-2008, 10:23
I don't know. I think with the latest attacks there may be more women than men attacked, but there have been a few guys now that are victims as well. I mean look at old Randal Lee... He attacked 4 people, 3 of them were men.
As to all that, I don't think a criminal is going to say "are you a hiker" before deciding to attack. Anyone on the AT or in the AT corridor that gets attacked should be considered as part of the data. After all, if it hadn't been these fishermen at the camp, it could have been me and Alligator at the camp.I think our response would have varied quite wildly depending on the time of day/evening/night.
SGT Rock
05-13-2008, 10:27
I think our response would have varied quite wildly depending on the time of day/evening/night.
I know what you mean. I saw a lot of locals the next morning while waiting at Trent's - I keep wondering if one of them was this guy.
Flush2wice
05-13-2008, 10:30
I'm not familiar with these. Details?
Can't find much with google but they were 2 eerily similar incidents.
First one was probably in the early '80's. A couple was parked, and robbed at gun point. The male was shot and killed, the female was raped, shot and left for dead. She managed to flag down a vehicle. Perp was caught and sentenced to death.
Second was 10 years later basically the same story. Male and female were both robbed and killed. Don't know about rape. Perp was a minor.
I have a friend who worked in the FBI in the 80's. He was assigned to take custody of the rifle from the 1st incident to establish chain of custody.
I bet Miss Janet knows a lot more.
Frolicking Dinosaurs
05-13-2008, 10:35
Here is a PDF of the case filed against the juvenile (http://www.tncourts.gov/OPINIONS/tcca/PDF/991/jonesmp.pdf)in the second case FlushTwice mentions.
SGT Rock
05-13-2008, 10:36
Yes but haven't most of the murdered AT hikers been female?
I'd go with a more open definition about people on the AT since it could be anyone at that spot hiker or not. But this does open up that more attacks have happened on or around the AT than some have quoted in the past.
Just a quick count it looks like about 7 women to 5 men. I think that technically more women have been attacked (as far as I know) but that the numbers are too low to say statistically that this means much.
Alligator
05-13-2008, 10:44
I'd go with a more open definition about people on the AT since it could be anyone at that spot hiker or not. But this does open up that more attacks have happened on or around the AT than some have quoted in the past.
Just a quick count it looks like about 7 women to 5 men. I think that technically more women have been attacked (as far as I know) but that the numbers are too low to say statistically that this means much.If you were just looking at that without any other assumptions, that's a fairly random outcome. If I flipped a coin 12 times and got 7 tails, I wouldn't be at all surprised. Something like 0, 1, or 2 males (females) would be strong evidence of a preference in victim's gender.
SGT Rock
05-13-2008, 10:48
If you throw in these other two attacks mentioned by Flushtwice and the rape this month, then it comes up to about 12 to 9. I don't know what other attacks I don't know about.
Alligator
05-13-2008, 11:04
My table only goes up to 20, but at 20 throws, 6 or less (male or female) would be about the critical value.
This is just a quick mental check though.
*For anyone so inclined, I was using a binomial test to check the hypothesis that p=0.5.
**I forgot I can do this on my calculator. Anything wider than 16:5 would suggest a preference.
Flush2wice
05-13-2008, 11:11
What's the difference between a "hiker" and a "drifter"? How would you categorize the killers in these cases?
SGT Rock
05-13-2008, 11:14
What's the difference between a "hiker" and a "drifter"? Goretex
How would you categorize the killers in these cases? I wouldn't. A killer is a killer. I'd also go as far as to say anyone that rapes has the potential to be a killer - that is just my opinion.
earlyriser26
05-13-2008, 11:17
I remember most of the attacks since 1974 from when they happened. While some were rapes or had a sexual component, most were just a real crazy person. Are women more vunerable? maybe. But when you are dealing with someone that is mentally ill, who knows what motivates them. It is good to know that we can scratch this guy off the list.
Frolicking Dinosaurs
05-13-2008, 11:20
On November 26, 1967, LOWELL BAILEY, a policeman at the METROPOLITAN POLICE DEPARTMENT, Washington, D.C., was shot and killed while he was parked on Unaka Mountain near Erwin, Tennessee. His wife, BEVERLY BAILEY, was kidnaped by the assailant and sexually assaulted. Special Agents from the Knoxville Field Office entered the investigation when the local law enforcement agency indicated the possibility that the victim had been taken into North Carolina and assaulted following her abduction in Tennessee. Special Agents identified the murderer as EARL HILL, JR. who was later located and apprehended by Special Agents from the Savannah, Georgia Field Office.
Source: History of FBI office in Knoxville, TN (http://knoxville.fbi.gov/hist.htm)
Flush2wice
05-13-2008, 12:29
On November 26, 1967, LOWELL BAILEY, a policeman at the METROPOLITAN POLICE DEPARTMENT, Washington, D.C., was shot and killed while he was parked on Unaka Mountain near Erwin, Tennessee. His wife, BEVERLY BAILEY, was kidnaped by the assailant and sexually assaulted. Special Agents from the Knoxville Field Office entered the investigation when the local law enforcement agency indicated the possibility that the victim had been taken into North Carolina and assaulted following her abduction in Tennessee. Special Agents identified the murderer as EARL HILL, JR. who was later located and apprehended by Special Agents from the Savannah, Georgia Field Office.
Source: History of FBI office in Knoxville, TN (http://knoxville.fbi.gov/hist.htm)
FD- you are the google queen. My times were wrong but basic info was pretty good.