View Full Version : HyperClog I mean HyperFlow
Chicken Feathers
09-10-2008, 23:29
as time passes the more negative comments I read about the HyperClog I keep for getting it is called a HyperFlow Maybe MSR should rename it or recall all the HyperClog filters and do more testing and then release it. this is not a new technology maybe for private use but not for commercial use. I give it a negative 10 a no buy.
take-a-knee
09-11-2008, 00:12
as time passes the more negative comments I read about the HyperClog I keep for geting it is called a HyperFlow Maybe MSR should rename it or recall all theHyperClog filters and do more testing and then release it. this is not a new technology maybe for private use. I give it a negative 10 a no buy.
I hear 'ya Don, I'm glad I didn't bite on that thing. The big question is are all the other hollow fiber filters coming out (Sawyer,Platypus) any good, or is that failed technology from the start?
_terrapin_
09-11-2008, 00:29
as time passes the more negative comments I read about the HyperClog I keep for geting it is called a HyperFlow Maybe MSR should rename it or recall all theHyperClog filters and do more testing and then release it. this is not a new technology maybe for private use. I give it a negative 10 a no buy.
Looking back at your posts, I'm guessing at least half of them have been complaints about this filter... Get over it. Let it go. It's just a piece of hardware.
Lawn Sale
09-11-2008, 00:44
Hollow fiber filters are not new, I was using them to treat wastewater 10 years ago. The main difference was the hollow fibers (like limp spaghetti strands) would rub against one another to clean themselves. I like the technology but perhaps they didn't get the engineering application to sustainability.
The first run on anything usually has upgrades, so I'd just wait for version II and see if they'll have an exchange.
FamilyGuy
09-11-2008, 01:51
Bought one and then promptly returned it. Way too finicky. Bought a Katadyn Hiker Pro. Works well.
MSR may just be on a roll. Wait until you see MSR's Hubba Reflex 1. Carbon fibre Poles. I wonder how many returns they will get for breaking poles in the field. On the other hand, considering the tent costs $450, not too many people will be buying it.
_terrapin_
09-11-2008, 10:54
Bought one and then promptly returned it. Way too finicky. Bought a Katadyn Hiker Pro. Works well.
Personally I'm not too thrilled with my Hiker Pro. It's a joy until the filter clogs, but the filter clogs at the slightest provocation. The most reliable filter I've owned has been an older MSR, with the ceramic filter. It's not 100% either, but (except for one case) I've been able to fix whatever goes wrong, while on the trail. Haven't found a perfect water filter, yet.
Two Speed
09-11-2008, 11:21
Bear in mind that when a filter clogs it means it's done what it's supposed to do: removed particulates from the influent.
If a filter never clogs that means that either the water didn't have any particles in it in the first place, in which case it didn't need filtering, or the filter is merely removing any and all particles larger than a bowling ball, and letting the smaller stuff pass through. Stuff like bacteria. Not good.
I think _terrapin_ touched on a better question: can you clean the filter in the field without too much trouble. If that can be done with a reasonable amount of effort it's probably a good filter. If not it's probably a piece of junk.
Chicken Feathers
09-11-2008, 11:24
Bought one and then promptly returned it. Way too finicky. Bought a Katadyn Hiker Pro. Works well.
MSR may just be on a roll. Wait until you see MSR's Hubba Reflex 1. Carbon fibre Poles. I wonder how many returns they will get for breaking poles in the field. On the other hand, considering the tent costs $450, not too many people will be buying it. Damn FamilyGuy that sounds like the North Face Pack they came out with it cost about $625. How does backpacker Magazine give these items such a high rateing Do They get a kick back for rating these item so high
Chicken Feathers
09-11-2008, 11:44
Bear in mind that when a filter clogs it means it's done what it's supposed to do: removed particulates from the influent.
If a filter never clogs that means that either the water didn't have any particles in it in the first place, in which case it didn't need filtering, or the filter is merely removing any and all particles larger than a bowling ball, and letting the smaller stuff pass through. Stuff like bacteria. Not good.
I think _terrapin_ touched on a better question: can you clean the filter in the field without too much trouble. If that can be done with a reasonable amount of effort it's probably a good filter. If not it's probably a piece of junk. Two speedThe HyperClog Filter was not that difficult to clean in the woods you just have to be carefull with he parts that you have to reverse. But this thing still is clogged after you clean it. Only fix is to replace filter after 1 liter of water filtered.
Chicken Feathers
09-11-2008, 11:48
Looking back at your posts, I'm guessing at least half of them have been complaints about this filter... Get over it. Let it go. It's just a piece of hardware. Terrapin the more people complaine and the filters do not sell MSR will go back to the drawing board. Haven't you ever heard that the sqeaking wheel get the grease.
Two Speed
09-11-2008, 11:53
. . . But this thing still is clogged after you clean it. . .I'm seeing a major issue there. Presuming you're following the manufacturer's instructions field cleaning isn't effective. Not good.
RedneckRye
09-11-2008, 12:09
Two speedThe HyperClog Filter was not that difficult to clean in the woods you just have to be carefull with he parts that you have to reverse. But this thing still is clogged after you clean it. Only fix is to replace filter after 1 liter of water filtered.
Is this based on your own experience or just what you've read?
Of the 2 dozen or so that we have sold thru the shop where I work, we have only had one come back in. The customer was a bit confused as to how the back flush process worked. A few minutes later, after explaining and showing him the process, it worked fine. I've talked to MSR's in-house water treatment tech guy about how often it needs to be back flushed and he said that it should be done about every 8 liters, just like the directions say. If you wait till it is totally clogged, then the stuff that has been filtered out is totally packed into the hollow fibers and back flushing won't help.
Is the HyperFlow perfect? No, but at about half the weight and twice the flow rate of other filters it is interesting. I'm sure it will get tweaked and improved over time and as other manufacturers adopt the technology.
FamilyGuy
09-11-2008, 13:33
Are you sure about the weight? It came to 8.8 oz on my scale without the Nalgene adaptor. The Hiker Pro came in at 11 oz on the nose. Not that much of a difference.
Yes - I realize that filters can clog. However, according to the MSR Hyperflow directions, one needs to backflush with clean water. What happens if the filter clogs and you are out of clean water? The filter appears to be more of a 'done in a day' type apparatus rather than a long trek piece of gear. On another note, I did not find the pumping action any easier than the Hiker Pro but maybe I am strong for my size:D
NICKTHEGREEK
09-11-2008, 17:28
From MSR's website
Mountain Safety Research<SUP>®</SUP> started nearly 40 years ago, calling attention to the inadequate equipment standards of the day. Refusing to accept 'good enough' as a design philosophy, we created a new standard of 'best possible' that resulted in the creation of ground-breaking technologies with unprecedented reliability and function in absolutely essential equipment for outdoor travel. From climbers, to boaters and weekend campers, MSR equipment became the new gold standard. Our commitment stands unchanged today and MSR<SUP>®</SUP> remains an industry leader in the development and production of the most reliable and innovative high-performance gear on the market. From hyper-efficient stoves, and water filters to cutting edge tents, revolutionary snowshoes and beyond – we continue to provide even the most demanding backcountry users a confidence-inspiring tool kit for the task at hand.
That said, they couldn't possibly sell a bad piece of hardware.
'You're doing a heck of a job with those filters Brownie" says it all.
rootball
09-17-2008, 09:58
I am using my second Waterworks with the ceramic filter. It works and is easy to field maintain. It may not be the best available, but if the 'best' is clogged and not maintainable then its no good to me. I considered the hyperflow, but opted to wait until someone else tested it. I think MSR should offer this type product at cost until they read the reivews and make adjustments. Basically you pay them to field test their stuff - where is the incentive in that?
I can't agree with terapin mainly because his posts are usually the same everytime, but also because I think the dude that started this post has a right to complain about his wasted money.
I learned my lesson on a PUR filter about 13 years ago and have not even considered their products since then. Live and learn, baby! Let someone else test it first or know that field testers are at risk for loss.
If you could vote for Bush/ Cheney again, Would you?
Personally I'm not too thrilled with my Hiker Pro. It's a joy until the filter clogs, but the filter clogs at the slightest provocation. The most reliable filter I've owned has been an older MSR, with the ceramic filter. It's not 100% either, but (except for one case) I've been able to fix whatever goes wrong, while on the trail. Haven't found a perfect water filter, yet.
i've had my pur hiker for 15 years and it still works just fine. faster too than any of my friends' filters. i did just break the collar on it though which means it's probably done.
Homer&Marje
09-17-2008, 10:18
I am using my second Waterworks with the ceramic filter. It works and is easy to field maintain. It may not be the best available, but if the 'best' is clogged and not maintainable then its no good to me. I considered the hyperflow, but opted to wait until someone else tested it. I think MSR should offer this type product at cost until they read the reivews and make adjustments. Basically you pay them to field test their stuff - where is the incentive in that?
I can't agree with terapin mainly because his posts are usually the same everytime, but also because I think the dude that started this post has a right to complain about his wasted money.
I learned my lesson on a PUR filter about 13 years ago and have not even considered their products since then. Live and learn, baby! Let someone else test it first or know that field testers are at risk for loss.
If you could vote for Bush/ Cheney again, Would you?
On my second MSR ceramic filter... first one still works after 13 years, still used by my father. Cost $80 bucks, easiest field maintainable filter out there. 10 minutes and 1 liter of clean water is all you need. Use a little bio soap on the o ring if your going to be out for a few weeks or months. That's what I like about my new one, 1 less O-Ring, It doesn't sound like much but the old ones were different sizes and if you mixed it up the filter doesn't work right... god always paying attention is hard:D
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Clogging filters and pumping are a thing of the past with my Steripen! :)