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Jan LiteShoe
12-10-2008, 14:16
Don't know if this is the right forum, or even if it's already been posted (I cross-posted a paragraph in the Hilton thread), but worth knowing if anyone is traveling to the Pisgah soon:

Burn delayed for area near fugitive's armed camp

http://www.citizen-times.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2008812100336

Jon Ostendorff (JOstendorff@CITIZEN-TIMES.com) • JOstendorff@CITIZEN-TIMES.com • published December 10, 2008 12:15 amel.icio.us (http://del.icio.us/post?v=2)




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BREVARD – A Henderson County fugitive had equipment to make booby traps in a camp where federal investigators allegedly found gunpowder and guns, a U.S. Forest Service spokesman said Tuesday.


John Joseph Hiles' camp in the Pink Beds area of Pisgah National Forest was a quarter-mile from Yellow Gap Road. The area is one of the most popular in the region for hiking and mountain biking. It is also popular with hunters this time of year.
The government had planned to burn hundreds of acres in the area on Tuesday to clear underbrush to aid in searching for more ammunition and explosives.
The Forest Service postponed the burn because of the rain.
Hiles, 45, was camping in the woods after failing to appear in court on charges of misdemeanor possession of drug paraphernalia, felony manufacturing marijuana and maintaining a vehicle for selling drugs.
Investigators charged him with growing 15 marijuana plans in his 1984 Ford Ranger pickup truck in May, according to an arrest warrant. He had potting soil, cups and fertilizer in the truck to use in the growing operation, according to the court papers.
Hiles was being held in Henderson County with bond set at $20,500.
He is scheduled for a court appearance on Friday. The court papers listed his address as “general delivery,” which is often used by law enforcement when a person doesn't have a home address.
Officials with the Henderson County Sheriff's Office did not return messages Tuesday seeking more details.
U.S. Forest Service agents and deputies from the Transylvania County Sheriff's Office captured Hiles on Nov. 21. He had placed a classified advertisement looking for a ride out of the state.
A Forest Service agent responded to the ad and met Hiles in the forest, where he was arrested.
The Forest Service closed the area and posted signs warning the public about the possibility of explosives in the woods after finding the camp, Forest Service spokesman Terry Seyden said.
The area remains closed. Safety measures include a new metal gate at the fire road leading to the camp off Yellow Gap Road, warning signs and increased law enforcement patrols.
News of the camp and Hiles arrest surprised some forest users.


“It's bizarre,” said Van Rogers, president of the Pisgah Area Southern Off-road Bicycle Association, who was mountain biking in the Pink Beds area two weeks ago. “I could have been potentially riding around some of that stuff.”
The camp wasn't near a maintained trial, Seyden said.
He said authorities found equipment for making bullets in addition to guns and gunpowder at the camp.
The U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives is investigating, Seyden said. A message left with the agency seeking more details wasn't returned Tuesday.
Federal authorities don't typically discuss ongoing investigations beyond details available in public court documents.
Hiles had not been charged with a federal crime.
Seyden said he did not know how many guns, how much gunpowder or what materials that could be used for making bobby traps were stashed in the woods.
Those details are not public because of the federal investigation, he said.
He also said it is unclear whether any more munitions would be found.
“We don't have hard evidence that there is anything out there,” he said.
He said the burn will cover a large area — up to 400 acres — to make sure firefighters setting and controlling the blaze are safe if hidden ammunition or power explodes. The burn area is much larger than the actual camp area as a safety precaution, Seyden said.
Yellow Gap Road is the same place where hiker Irene Bryant was killed last year.
Georgia drifter Gary Michael Hilton is the only suspect in her death.
Federal authorities in North Carolina are expected to charge him after a state court in Florida tries him for the murder of a woman on national forest land there. The case in Florida is still a year away, prosecutors have said.

Marta
12-10-2008, 14:24
Thanks, Jan--We're planning to go to the Pisgah this weekend. Hmmmm.

Jan LiteShoe
12-10-2008, 14:29
Thanks, Jan--We're planning to go to the Pisgah this weekend. Hmmmm.

Actualy, I had you in mind when I posted it.
:)

Marta
12-10-2008, 14:35
I'll have to look at the map and see how close that is to the area we're planning to go to.

Thanks again!

Cuffs
12-10-2008, 21:15
Ok... silly question... if they think this fella has ammo and gun powder stashed in the woods... WHY would they do a (controlled) burn in that area??? Fire + gun powder = boom!

rcli4
12-10-2008, 21:23
Because then it will go boom when they are there to handle it instead of when some kid finds it.

Clyde

Tractor
12-10-2008, 21:37
I dunno. Sounds odd to me. Never heard of burning out a cache of this sort in these times. Maybe 1800's local justice but not lately. Could the burn be multi-functional?

Lord knows what all we have walked right past on the trail.

Marta
12-11-2008, 05:29
It's pouring in Charlotte right now, after a full afternoon and night of rain. I'm not sure any sort of burn is gonna be possible this weekend.

nitewalker
12-11-2008, 08:38
i read all the comments pertaining to this article and it seems the only smart comment was made by the volunteer fireman. controlled burns are good but to find explosives by burning sounds kinda stupid. if he buried the stuff deeper than 1 foot im sure the fire will not set them off. metal detector would be needed to finish off the job. one other point is how is the guy going to grow weed at this time of year, way too cold.......

Frau
12-11-2008, 12:18
We are headed down that way 12-26. We have several destinations but will want to avoid a fresh burn---I hate the smell.

thanks

Frau

MaineSurveyor
12-11-2008, 14:43
If it's buried who cares...let it rot. If something's set up as a booby trap than the fire will take care of it and no one will get hurt at some future date.

OldStormcrow
12-12-2008, 08:39
That area has a lot of tourist traffic and has in the past been a favorite spot for "militia" clubs to go "camping". He was squatting only a 1/4 mile from the road, which is about how far those groups usually hike. A controlled burn barely scorches anything except ground litter and even if he's as dumb as he sounds I figure he would have at least enough sense to bury his stuff more than an inch or two deep. It sounds to me like he was just making noise about booby trapping the area to p!ss the authorities off.