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Long feet
12-22-2008, 21:02
rampli and I just finished a 3 day section from VA 605 (half way through the roller coaster) to Harpers Ferry. I had my gear list critiqued here on White Blaze as well as met up with Rampli for the trip. I just wanted to say thanks to the entire White Blaze community, with the possible exception of Lone Wolf - (kidding) :D . rampli was a great hiker and a pleasure to hike with. It was great to have him as a partner on my first 'real' winter backpacking trip.

We started about 3 and a half miles south of Sam Moore shelter at VA 605. I packed in water from home, but every water source was running well. The Bears Den was closed for the season, but it looked really great. It was pretty much an actual castle, stone walls and turrets.

We hiked on past route 7 (Snickers Gap - great name for hikers), picked up the stash of beers that rampli left (thanks again), and camped off the trail in the next incline north of Snikers Gap. We both found nearly acceptable places to camp and had a little bit of rain and snow that first night (Dec. 20th).

The second day we picked up water at Raven Rocks Hollow spring or Sand Spring. After the Devils Racecourse it got very foggy and all of the branches of the trees and understory were covered with snow and ice. For the better part of the day we were walking through sections of winter wonderland. We hiked to the Blackburn Trail Center, which as noted earlier was a swank hiker wonderland for the likes of dukes and duchesses. Unfortunately, it was closed. We then proceeded to hike through to the David Lesser shelter. This was a really nice spot, which was pretty well protected from the wind. The trail maintainers did a fantastic job there. A gazebo, huge deck, and porch swing were memorable. There were also plenty of tent spots, not that there were anyone else out there in Dec. to compete for space. I went down a quarter of a mile downhill to the spring last night, hoping to speed up an early morning start. It was a little bit steep and slightly tricky to find the blue blazes back up at night. Do to a packing mistake, and a rash decision to pack for a low of the high teens, I very nearly froze my butt off and got a cumulative total of about an hour and a half of sleep - not that I'm complaining :rolleyes:.

When we woke up it was 5 degrees Fahrenheit by the cheap REI thermometer strapped to my bag in the shelter. rampli schooled me in the fine art of eating instant oatmeal out of the bag, and we left about 7:30 for Harpers Ferry. We both had nearly perfectly solid water to last up almost 10 to Harpers Ferry. The moment we stepped out onto the ledge the wind kicked up to at least 30 mph. It had to be easily 10 below zero for the next couple of hours. Within a couple of minutes I could not feel my fingers, toes, or face. rampli and I rocked hard and hiked faster than I have ever done before. This worked to warm up and stay warm enough to keep hiking. We hiked through stopping only twice to eat a candy bar and admire the view. We kicked serious bootay hiking, scaring the deer, cardinals, and squirrels on the trail, and made it in to Harpers Ferry by 11:30. We ended the hike with burgers and fries and a trip to the outfitters.

All in all it was a fantastic trip. I learned I need to take more to be warm, and it may be a good idea to bring some Tylenol PM. A great trip. Thanks again rampli, and thanks White Blaze.

DAKS
12-22-2008, 21:18
glad you had a great trip! congrats to rampli on finishing up VA! i hope the stash of beers were sumpin' better than bud heavy! thanks for the report! cheers!
DAKS

Blissful
12-22-2008, 21:27
This time of year for hiking is not for weaklings, that's for sure. Glad you aren't out tonight!
Glad you had fun though.

Long feet
12-22-2008, 22:57
glad you had a great trip! congrats to rampli on finishing up VA! i hope the stash of beers were sumpin' better than bud heavy! thanks for the report! cheers!
DAKS

Thanks Daks,

And so as it were fortold, rampli the fine scholar and gentleman, reached into a bush and brought forth the holy trinity of the great Yingling in a can and all were happy. A true miracle in the wilderness....

Anyway, thanks again rampli.

Jesse

Jim Adams
12-23-2008, 01:45
Winter is a great time to hike. Outside of the chill, it sounds like you had a great time. Congrats! You now have a whole new aspect of hiking to enjoy.

geek

Christus Cowboy
12-23-2008, 05:32
Sounds like you had a great trip Long Feet! Thanks for sharing the details with us! I do have a couple questions. You mentioned that you would have brought more to keep warm. What did you bring in terms of clothing on this trip and what would you have added? Also what kind of sleeping bag did you use? I'm assuming that you used the shelters on this trip?

Kerosene
12-23-2008, 11:06
Hey, no trip report is complete without pictures! I love it when the snow and ice are on the tree branches (http://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/vbg/showimage.php?i=29230).

Panzer1
12-23-2008, 12:31
Hey, no trip report is complete without pictures! I love it when the snow and ice are on the tree branches (http://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/vbg/showimage.php?i=29230).

Real nice pic..

Panzer

Long feet
12-23-2008, 14:36
Hey Christus Cowboy,

Thanks for the questions.


Sounds like you had a great trip Long Feet! Thanks for sharing the details with us! I do have a couple questions. You mentioned that you would have brought more to keep warm. What did you bring in terms of clothing on this trip

I did not really have too many problems with my clothing. Ultimately, I could hike to heat up. I did experience some wind burn and would like to replace my balaclava system with somthing more wind proof in winter weather. Here is my partial list:

Fleece Pullover
North Face Gloves
Polar Buff
Eddie Bauer Polartec Hat
Patagonia Micro Puff Vest Large
Gossamer Gear Spinn-Chaps
Event Rain Mitts
New Balance 809 Pair Size 12
Smartwool Trekking Heavy Cushion Socks Size Large
Smartwool midweight bottoms
Smartwool Lightweight Zip-Tee Top
Injinji socks
Sugoi Helium Jacket Wind-Shirt Large
Tilley LTM6 Hat Size 7 1/4
10,000 Feet Above Sea Level Convertible Pants
Bathing suit


and what would you have added?

As I said above I would like some kind of wind breaking balaclava. Also, I would like to try some different gloves. If the ground is going to be wetter than it was I think I would like to try out some seal skin socks as well.


Also what kind of sleeping bag did you use?

Here is my sleep system, which kept me alive but was too cold to sleep more than an hour per night:

Jacks 'R' Better No Sniveler Quilt
Jacks 'R' Better Hood
Jacks 'R' Better Sleeves
Jacks 'R' Better Weather Shield Top
Gossamer Gear NightLight Sleeping Pad Torso Length
Jacks 'R' Better Down to Earth Pad
Bozeman Mountain Works TorsoLite Inflatable Pad
Thermarest Stuff Sack Pillow Large
FlexAir Plus Ultra light Pillow

I have two quilts, one of which is outfitted with velcro strips to attach onto a specially designed pad to form a box. Except for the velcro and placement of the head hole my quilt/camp jacket looks identical. So, I accidentally took my Jacks 'R' Better Nest instead of my No Sniveler. Because of this I was not able to attach my hood and sleeves and had a much less effective camp 'jacket'. The real downside is the constant drafts that I stayed awake all night in an effort to combat. I did not have any problems with this setup in the high twenties (with the velcroed in bag/quilt), but just the quilt was way too cold. On the next trip I am going to bring both quilts and possibly leave the Weather Shield which did not justify the weight.


I'm assuming that you used the shelters on this trip?

One night I used my Gatewood Cape, and another was spent in a shelter. Those floors are awfully hard with my pads. The Gatewood Cape worked just fine in light rain/snow/sleet. There was quite a bit of condensation, but I did not have any problems with my down wetting through. I brought the Weather Shield because I did not know how water repellant the material on my Jacks 'R' Better gear would be. The shelter was really tight and I touched my hood all night long, but it did not seem to affect the loft enough to justify a nine ounce bivvy-like piece of gear. I think I will drop it in favor of the second quilt. I can use my pack liner to keep any condensation off my quilt.

Thanks again for the questions.

Jesse

rampli
12-24-2008, 08:37
Long Feet has provided a verycomplete trip report. I can only add that I was not too cold and slept well but I paid for that luxury with an additional pack load of at least 15 pounds. Long Feet provided much thoughtful conversation and information about ultralight gear. I'm coming around to the lighter side, slowly.

I posted some pictures of our trip here http://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/vbg/browseimages.php?do=member&imageuser=16520

jersey joe
12-24-2008, 09:38
Nice pic of the church with the bridge in the background...

Christus Cowboy
12-26-2008, 19:42
Thanks alot Long Feet & Rampli very good information and I appreciate the time you took to provide the detail. I did a winter excursion on the Ridge Trail in Cumberland Gap National Park that got into the low twentys and we got hit with a couple of inches of snow the second night. I did ok and actually slept pretty good but I probably packed a little heavier than you did as well. I'd say right now I'm probably closer to where Rampli is at.... trying to get lighter without breaking the bank while at the same time trying to balance comfort while hiking with comfort while in camp. Thanks again guys really appreciated the trip report.