Any one got a good source of information on why the re-introduction of red wolves failed on the east coast?

I just started reading about it, and not really finding anything yet on what happened.

See species profile (http://ecos.fws.gov/speciesProfile/SpeciesReport.do?spcode=A00F) and recovery project (http://www.fws.gov/redwolf/) for starters.

iT DOESN'T SAY IT FAILED!!

There are red wolves on some coastal islands in South Carolina.

Any one got a good source of information on why the re-introduction of red wolves failed on the east coast?
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Because they were using FD&C red dye #7 which is carcinogenic. . .

warragy, once again Hahahahahahahahahhahhahahhaha

The program in NC seems to be working somewhat....
"100-120 red wolves call northeastern NC home This is the world's only wild population of red wolves. "
It seems that one point of failure is that they are breeding with the coyote populations.

Probably because of population density. Wolves need room to roam. In the East you have too many roads, too many farms, too many people with rifles and shotguns. They had problems with reintroducing wolves in the southwest as well. A lot of them were either killed by cars or by ranchers protecting their herds.

I recall reading about the reintroduction of wolves in the north west and how the govt. paid ranchers for cattle lost to wolves. Seems a good way to deter ranchers from shooting the wolves.

The National Forest Service has a Nature Station in Land Between the Lakes in W. KY where they have one or two red wolves. That may be where you can get good answers. A few years ago they had mentioned the re-introduction was not going well due to traps and hunters mistaking them for coyotes. In any event, www.lbl.gov (http://www.lbl.gov)
may be able to link you to a good source.

I know that about a year ago 2 wolves were spotted in RMNP and that was on a monday and a huge debate was stared to kill them or let them live. By friday the wolves attacked a kid at a campground and that was the end of that. No wolves have been spotted in the park since then.

I recall reading about the reintroduction of wolves in the north west and how the govt. paid ranchers for cattle lost to wolves. Seems a good way to deter ranchers from shooting the wolves.
While rewarding them for shooting their cattle. . .

http://www.fws.gov/redwolf/rwnews.html

Some may not realize this thread has evolved into a discussion involving 2 distinct canine species.

I heard that they released 2 pairs of red wolves into smoky mtn national park. But all of the information I got on it is that it failed. Pretty disappointing I would love to once again see wolves roaming throughout the SE. But In wisconsin the timber wolf population is thriving.

I know that about a year ago 2 wolves were spotted in RMNP and that was on a monday and a huge debate was stared to kill them or let them live. By friday the wolves attacked a kid at a campground and that was the end of that. No wolves have been spotted in the park since then.

Are you absolutely sure about that? There was a wolf sighting in the park, but I cannot find anything on the internet about the attack.

Yes sir, Was on the local news here wb2 or fox 13 can not remeber.

Bankrobber You got me curious and I have been searching also and I cant find anything either. I will keep looking and I will let you know.

I've seen a pair of red wolves and a scent (urine) trail that my dogs think quite interesting, yes you can smell it, on my back 40. They're quite cagey but they're around here in north central Mississippi. They're really fast too, they can flat haul serious a**. I've seen a silver and a pair of red fox as well.

Did I tell you about the black bear cub my dogs treed? They're also alive and doing well. Not kidding, guys, no pics, but I saw all of them.

They're really fast too, they can flat haul serious a**.

Must be some sort of colloquialism. I can't help but wonder what they can pull up hills?

Any one got a good source of information on why the re-introduction of red wolves failed on the east coast?

I just started reading about it, and not really finding anything yet on what happened.

Umm! just a wild hunch, but it probably has to do with why they diasappeared or were endangered in the first place. I guess people had something to do with it!

Sometimes it pays to read the 2nd and 3rd posts!

Um, did read at least one of the articles U listed in your post Emerald. Didn't get too far reading when I happened upon this:

The red wolf is one of the world’s most endangered wild canids. Once common throughout the southeastern United States, red wolf populations were decimated by the 1960s due *to intensive predator control programs and loss of habitat.*

Um, I'll repeat myself, people were somehow invoved in the cause of the original disappearance of the red wolf!

The articles and embedded sub articles don't say that the current recovery project is failing, but several sources say the project could be conducted more effectively. Perhaps, I could have worded my original answer to more accurately reflect the status of the recovery project and to not agree with the asumptions of the OP. Indeed, I should have read everything that was posted before I commented.

I remember hearing on the trail that many Red Wolves in GSMNP died of a virus carried by dogs.

There is a large population of Red Wolves in the Alligator River Wildlife Refuge in NC. I have driven through there a few times. Very wild and remote. Much like the Big Cypress Refuge in Florida.

try this link:
http://www.redwolves.com/about_recovery/timeline.html


it gives a timeline of several reintro projects. i was only aware of the smokies pack. though, i heard they got wiped out by some brain worm or something, among other reasons...

"1998: The Great Smoky Mountains National Park program is terminated due to low pup survival and the inability of the wolves to establish home ranges within the Park. Adaptive Management Plan and PHVA initiated."

Thanks all, I'll start reading tomorrow. these links seem very good, but I'll look at them all. http://ecos.fws.gov/speciesProfile/SpeciesReport.do?spcode=A00F and this http://ecos.fws.gov/docs/five_year_review/doc1155.pdf Too damn tired to read tonight.

BTW, to answer some of the other posts

I know we killed off the Red Wolf, just like the Mountain lion, elk, grey/timber wolf...

I understand the reintroduction is not a complete failure (I should have used another word), but they are having significant problems.

I know we have impacted their habitat, but I don't believe that's the primary factor/problem with their reintroduction -- there's more land than many believe. One big question I have is why the Coyote seems to thrive...

Someone said something about the red wolves mating with coyotes. I've read that somewhere, and believe that may be a significant factor.

I think the red wolves mating with coyotes is probably the number 1 reason that the reintroduction hasnt been vey sucessful. I also think one reason gray wolf reintroductions are sucessful is because they kill coyotes rather than mating with them.

wolves up here roam about 75 miles a day ! they need lots of room. Coyotes, for that matter, can roam up to 50 in a day. Plus, they can't live on top of each other. they need alot of hunting grd or there will be problems, inevitably.

Any one got a good source of information on why the re-introduction of red wolves failed on the east coast?

I just started reading about it, and not really finding anything yet on what happened.

You might spot one late at night at Dot's.:D

Lol Tinker .. you are invading this site too !

One big question I have is why the coyote seems to thrive...

Click Wildlife Notes (http://www.pgc.state.pa.us/pgc/cwp/view.asp?a=458&q=150783) for information provided by PGC which may shed some light on your question.

Some may be interested to know I saw a coyote in Bethel Township not far from PHMC's Fort Henry marker a several weeks ago not long before one was struck by a motorist near Wyomissing. Another, shot and killed last year near my home was later determined by PGC to be the 1st instance of a Pennsylvania coyote known to be carrying rabies. Coyotes are present in Pennsylvania's Green Diamond though they're not often observed.

Lol Tinker .. you are invading this site too !
No thread is safe!!!!:cool: ;)

Some may not realize this thread has evolved into a discussion involving 2 distinct canine species.

The number of the counting shall be 3.;)

I remember hearing on the trail that many Red Wolves in GSMNP died of a virus carried by dogs.

There is a large population of Red Wolves in the Alligator River Wildlife Refuge in NC. I have driven through there a few times. Very wild and remote. Much like the Big Cypress Refuge in Florida.

Parvo virus, perhaps? Very contagious and usually fatal.

Probably because of population density. Wolves need room to roam. In the East you have too many roads, too many farms, too many people with rifles and shotguns. They had problems with reintroducing wolves in the southwest as well. A lot of them were either killed by cars or by ranchers protecting their herds.

...too many people with rifles and shotguns?
Maybe there are too many TV sets.

Conservation of the red wolf gene pool and associated genetic fitness are primary concerns in the red wolf recovery and species survival plan (USFWS 1990).
Habitat fragmentation remains one of the biggest challenges in red wolf recovery (page 22).
Canid diseases remain a serious threat to the red wolf NEP and to captive red wolves (page 23).
Gunshot mortality is a serious threat to red wolves in the North Carolina NEP (page 28).
Considering the grave challenges red wolves faced when first listed as endangered in 1967, efforts to restore, recover and conserve them have been remarkably successful. Red wolves have been transformed from nearly extinct at a count of only 14 individuals in the 1970’s to a captive population of 208 and a restored wild NEP with counts up to nearly 130.

Someone said something about the red wolves mating with coyotes. I've read that somewhere, and believe that may be a significant factor.

You'll find good information on how wolf biologists propose to deal with that issue when you read the linked document.

http://www.fws.gov/redwolf/5yrreview.html

I'd suggest reading the Q&A added today before the report itself.

The Endangered Red Wolf - Program Report (http://www.fws.gov/redwolf/rwwildpopreport.html) updated today, includes photos

Red Wolf Journal Winter 2008 (http://www.fws.gov/redwolf/rwnews/Red%20Wolf%20Journal%20-%20Winter,%202008.pdf) (3.29 MB) broadband desireable if not necessary

These links and a wealth of other information were found by exploring RWRP's home page which was my 2nd link in post #2 (http://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/showpost.php?p=777546&postcount=2). Readers who crave more information are encouraged to explore what's been gathered there.

Any one got a good source of information on why the re-introduction of red wolves failed on the east coast?

I just started reading about it, and not really finding anything yet on what happened.

The program ceased in Great Smoky Mtns NP due to too much competition from Coyotes for food. The pups just could not compete. The pack was relocated to the eastern part of NC and I understand they're doing good.