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Fornfearen
02-20-2009, 23:34
Mt. Greylock via AT, N-->S traverse Monday, 2/16/09
Green Lantern and I started from Notch Rd. just below the Mt. Williams Reservoir at 9:35AM. Green Lantern started out with snowshoes, but I tried barebooting and didn't posthole at all. At the outlook at the jct. of the Mt. Prospect Trail, I put on the snowshoes because the snow had been getting a bit deeper, though still firm, with no postholing. We followed some previous postholers tracks until they turned around, possibly due to deepening snow. We missed the trail a couple of times near Mt. Williams' summit. After that it usually wasn't too hard to find, though we sometimes spread out until one of us saw a blaze.
The trail finding got bad, critically bad, just beyond the summit of Greylock, on the Rockwell Rd. about where the Cheshire Harbor Trail joins. A big sign said "AT South" with an arrow pointing into the woods and up a hill. But we didn't see any blazes, and cast about for half an hour or more before finding a pathlike way through the woods that eventually yielded some very faded, very rare blazes. From then on it was more of the same mixed with slightly better blazing. We met 3 teenage boys coming from the Jones Nose info ctr, and it was a relief to be able to follow their tracks. But their tracks showed that they were having just as much trouble finding the trail as we were. Going down Saddle Ball Mtn. we were on-again-off-again, and casting back and forth across the hillside looking forward and back for the rare blaze. This was really slowing us down, and we both wondered, though didn't discuss till later, whether we might have to bail, or end up hiking well into the night. We picked up some tracks at the jct. to the campsite/Noepel Shelter, and they lasted the rest of the way out, which was a great relief to us. Even those tracks were not always on-trail.
This section of the AT is badly in need of blazing. I'm telling you, the would-be hiker, but I'm sure the local chapter of the AMC already knows where it left off blazing, and this section is probably near the top of their list for this summer. Even if the blazes hadn't been faded, the spacing isn't adequate for winter hiking, when the tread no longer offers clues as to where the trail turns.
--BLOWDOWN: I'd read reports of people doing Greylock by other trails, and they reported that the branches brought down by the ice storm in December had been cleared off. That wasn't the case on the AT. In the AT there were lots of branches of all sizes, and whole trees or split trunks the whole length of our traverse. At times, the branches or trees were big enough to make it look like the trail had dead ended, but that became so routine that we didn't even slow down as we went around to pick up the trail again. So there was lots of blowdown, but the woods were so open that it was very easy to get around it.
--Water Crossings. There were only one or two little snow/crust covered trickles that never even showed water. At the south end, less than 1/2 mile from Outlook AVe., there was one open brook that was a bit awkward to jump over, but I made it. It was dark already, so I didn't see how Green Lantern negotiated it. He turned on his head lamp first, so maybe he saw a better crossing.
--Snow condtions: Generally very supportive. Even off trail (at lower elevation at beginning of hike) the crust was supportive of my bare boots. Because it was so firm, Green Lantern had some problems with unintended glissades that put him off balance and stimulated unintentional vocalizations. Apparently in order to make up for the weight of the green Coleman lantern he carries, he uses snowshoes with no rear cleats. Going downhill, sometimes only slighty downhill, his agility was frequently called upon. There were 1-3" of powder on the crust.
--Equipment: Snowshoes necessary, with rear cleats if at all possible. Gaiters: I was counting on the internal gaiters of my wind pants, but when we got to the trailhead, I was quite comfortable in just my 40% wool pants. I figured I'd put the wind pants on later on, but even at the summit I didn't need them. My pants legs extended about 2' below the top of my high boots, and were pretty snug around the boots. This and the small amount of loose snow were enough to prevent any snow from getting into the boots.

Blue Jay
02-21-2009, 11:11
Nice report, as I followed you a few days later. I even used your nicely stomped down tent site on the south side. The blazing is actually OK when there is no snow. You were just often off the AT where it is, of course, not blazed. I have to admit if I did not have this section memorized from countless hikes I would never have been able to follow as good a path as you did. You also left no trace other than your tracks. You guys are great, thanks.

canoehead
02-21-2009, 11:21
GOOD STUFF
I was out that way a few weeks ago.
I've been BC Skiing here at my camp in Chesterfield, MA. Seems to snow almost everyday. And just came back from 3 nights Camping & BC Skiing out in October Mt. Shelter, Finerty Pond Area.

Gotta Love it.

buckwheat
02-21-2009, 19:17
Mt. Greylock via AT, N-->S traverse Monday, 2/16/09

Couple of questions:

Where did you park?

Did you camp overnight? If so, where did you make camp?

Would you consider a solo summit a bad idea, given conditions?

I'm highly jealous of your journey and really want to make a solo winter ascent of Greylock. I've held back owing to fears about the ice storm damage, but it sounds like that wasn't much of an issue.

Thanks for the trip report.

Cosmo
02-21-2009, 19:48
Sounds like everyone had pretty good hikes, considering the conditions. As reported, trail finding can be challenging, especially with all the debris down from the storm. We're aware of the blazing issue (I've had similar experiences route-finding this past month checking out the storm damage). We've been encouraging our maintainers not to over blaze, but it seems we may have gone a bit too far in some locations. Conditions are worse in October Mtn SF between Rt 20 and Pittsfield Rd, that area got hammered pretty well by the December ice.

We probably won't get out to do a lot of clearing until April and May (there's lots of stuff under the snow too, and stumbling around in snowshoes with a chainsaw is only fun for a few minutes). If you'd like to join us, let me know and I'll send you the schedule.

Cosmo

Fornfearen
02-21-2009, 21:54
Nice report, as I followed you a few days later. I even used your nicely stomped down tent site on the south side.

That stomped site must have been from the people whose tracks we followed from the Noepel shelter junction to Outlook.


Couple of questions:

Where did you park? We spotted my car on Outlook Ave. right by the AT crossing. The shoulder there was pretty good, though I don't think it was an actual parking turn-out. I then rode with Green Lantern back to N. Adams. He left his car on Notch Rd. right next to the water treatment plant. There's a parking area there that would hold about 5 cars, maybe more when the snow is gone. The AT runs about 10 yards to the west of that parking area.

Did you camp overnight? No. This was a day hike. I gave a starting time, but forgot to say when we got to Outlook. That was about 6:20PM the same day. If so, where did you make camp?

Would you consider a solo summit a bad idea, given conditions? I do a lot of solo summiting, so I'm pretty easygoing about saying it's ok solo. However, with the trail so difficult to find in spots, and the potential for high winds drifting over tracks on Greylock, I'd be very careful about this. Get a good forecast, look for the most recent trip reports, and get an early start. If you're not already very familiar with your intended trails, study the map and make notes of distances between junctions, especially jcts. with potential bailout trails, and write down the general compass bearing of your trails. Example: mark down the bearing of the AT as it heads south along Saddle Ball, and also mark the bearing as it splits to the SE as it descends SB. If that doesn't help you stay close enough to eventually find it again, at least it keeps you moving in the right general direction.

I'm highly jealous of your journey and really want to make a solo winter ascent of Greylock. I've held back owing to fears about the ice storm damage, but it sounds like that wasn't much of an issue.

Thanks for the trip report.

buckwheat
02-22-2009, 16:37
I gave a starting time, but forgot to say when we got to Outlook. That was about 6:20PM the same day.

Wow ... I'm surprised. That's after dark, no?

I have a little bit of winter experience on Greylock, but haven't summitted. In the very early part of Winter, I think it was in maybe late November, I did a recon hike up the Hopper Trail from the Haley Farm parking area up to the Sperry Road campground.

Unfortunately, I ran into quite a bit of ice and hadn't yet purchased my Kahtoola Micro Spikes, which would have been perfect for the conditions. Plus, I wasn't in the best physical shape at that time (I'd just quit smoking), the weather was turning against me, my gear wasn't the best ... lots of things to go wrong. So, I figured it would be foolish to try to summit and scooted back down with my tail tucked between my legs :eek: lest I have to call for the chopper and be laughed off of White Blaze.

Right after that was the ice storm, so I was really bummed, but I think maybe I'll make another run at it. I'm anxious to get the tip of Massachusetts' largest ant hill under my boot.

Blue Jay
02-22-2009, 21:12
We probably won't get out to do a lot of clearing until April and May (there's lots of stuff under the snow too, and stumbling around in snowshoes with a chainsaw is only fun for a few minutes). If you'd like to join us, let me know and I'll send you the schedule.

Cosmo don't sweat it, your sections are always some of the best on the entire AT. The ice storm blowdowns combined with untracked snow often combines to make interesting going. I'll try to beat you to clearing the south side, as my schedule changes by the minute.

Fornfearen
02-24-2009, 00:10
Wow ... I'm surprised. That's after dark, no?

I have a little bit of winter experience on Greylock, but haven't summitted. In the very early part of Winter, I think it was in maybe late November, I did a recon hike up the Hopper Trail from the Haley Farm parking area up to the Sperry Road campground. I was in the Greylock region in late November too. http://www.viewsfromthetop.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26480

Unfortunately, I ran into quite a bit of ice and hadn't yet purchased my Kahtoola Micro Spikes, which would have been perfect for the conditions. Plus, I wasn't in the best physical shape at that time (I'd just quit smoking), the weather was turning against me, my gear wasn't the best ... lots of things to go wrong. So, I figured it would be foolish to try to summit and scooted back down with my tail tucked between my legs :eek: lest I have to call for the chopper and be laughed off of White Blaze. The longer you hike in winter, the more bailouts you'll accumulate. There are several important factors to consider, (conditioning, conditions, gear, weather) which you did. Doing so led you to a good decison, so you're still able to fog a mirror and plan hikes. And post on WhiteBlaze without shame.:) I too bailed out on Greylock, before even starting on the Greylock section, for reasons mentioned in the report above.
Right after that was the ice storm, so I was really bummed, but I think maybe I'll make another run at it. I'm anxious to get the tip of Massachusetts' largest ant hill under my boot.The vertical gain from where we started in the north was about 2500', not even counting elevation we had to regain after dips. I think that's a very respectable climb.


Greylock [probably spelled Greighlochh in Scotland] was Melville's white whale. It looks like it's becoming yours too.:D