View Full Version : Anyone see Mindi aka Sugar Grits?
Signal153
08-19-2009, 04:57
I'm an ex boyfriend (a good ex, don't worry). She left about a month and a half ago. Her journal hasn't been updated at all. She was also supposed to call when when she got near my house. I don't know how long the hike takes from Maine to NY.
Just wondering if anyone heard anything or if any other south bound hikers ran into her.
Jayboflavin04
08-19-2009, 13:00
I just put an email out to a thru up that way. He said the name doesnt ring a bell, but he keep me informed.
Signal153
08-19-2009, 17:38
Thanks. I'll be checking in periodically
Signal153
08-25-2009, 15:32
Nothing? Getting kinda worried.
Maine takes about a month. Then another month or so to CN. So she's not really late yet. If she's still hiking you should hear from her in a couple of weeks or so.
Jim Adams
08-25-2009, 18:13
Thought that I'd hear something by now too...just concerned.
geek
she sure wasn't known to keep in touch when she was hiking a couple of years ago either
Desert Reprobate
08-26-2009, 00:30
Bad news travels much faster than good news. She is probably having a great time.
Christus Cowboy
08-26-2009, 10:16
I haven't heard from her, though she did give me her cellphone number before she left. I gave her contact information for my parents who live near Glasgow and also my contact information for when she got closer to east Tennessee. She told me that she would mark it in her guide book and contact me if she was needing a zero or some other help.
Jim Adams
08-26-2009, 11:25
I haven't heard from her, though she did give me her cellphone number before she left. I gave her contact information for my parents who live near Glasgow and also my contact information for when she got closer to east Tennessee. She told me that she would mark it in her guide book and contact me if she was needing a zero or some other help.
Thanks!
geek
Signal153
10-19-2009, 22:59
Has anyone heard from Mindi yet? It's cool if she decided to skip the detour to see me but she could have informed me.
No emails or phone calls from her. Her hiking journal hasn't been updated. She left some time in July. It's now half past October. I don't know how long it takes for someone to get from Maine to the NY/CT border. I'm not really a hiker.
All I want to know is if she's okay.
warraghiyagey
10-20-2009, 07:38
She's likely enjoying the trail and the peace that comes with not having to check in all the time. . . let her enjoy her hike and I'm sure she'll contact whoever she means to when she gets good and ready. . . :sun
Signal153
10-20-2009, 21:00
Well, of course I'm hoping she's enjoying her hike and I wouldn't want to do anything that would ruin that. I'm just worried about her. She said she'd drop by to see me and if she changed her mind, that's fine but at least let the person know you're alive.
Signal153
12-19-2009, 18:04
bumping this up... Her trail journal hasn't been updated. No one has heard anything.
mac attack
01-02-2010, 09:38
sorry i wasn't much help earlier, but I just finished my hike myself and got a chance to wander around whiteblaze-
I started katahdin july 20th and ran into her in the hurd brook lean to at the beginning of the hundred mile wilderness. She was really sore from falling on a ford and claiming she might have broken a rib. Mostly she just chain smoked and seemed a little homesick. She pushed onto rainbow stream lean-to the next night - 7/21 - but then was planning on going to White House landing, if I could make a guess, she probably left from there.
I've hiked to georgia now and heard nothing of her staying on the trail, and my hiking buddy started the 3rd of August and never passed her on trail, so you might need to check around for her elsewhere.
sorry this doesnt help much, but hopefully she's alright and you get in touch with her!
Annie
Old Grouse
01-02-2010, 11:52
Back in the spring, I traded a few PMs with Mindi. I agreed to pick her up in Kent and take her to Fairfield to stay with "a friend." I gave her my phone numbers and told her where the spotty cell phone reception was best, and asked her to keep in touch. I've never heard from her since.
mweinstone
01-03-2010, 16:35
maby combat knows. ask him. but in truth. you could be a bad guy. so if anyone does know, she may have allready been told your worried about her and chosen to later you. we have a protocal for this in our community. tell strangers where your going only if you never think about personal saftey. i know sugar grits well. shes very capable. very.
joehiker22
01-04-2010, 22:13
I'm starting to think the worst has happened.
has anyone taken the trouble to email her or call her home in Florida?
YoungMoose
01-06-2010, 19:50
Just bumping this becuase the more people that see it the better.
Old Grouse
01-06-2010, 20:11
Isn't it just as possible that she had to leave the trail and just isn't ready to come back to WB yet?
YoungMoose
01-07-2010, 08:47
Isn't it just as possible that she had to leave the trail and just isn't ready to come back to WB yet?
Yeah its possible but people that expected to be called from her have never gotten a call and no one has seen her on the trail
Apparently Mindi is home in Florida and making posts on WB
http://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/showpost.php?p=757230&postcount=67
Apparently Mindi is home in Florida and making posts on WB
http://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/showpost.php?p=757230&postcount=67
No, that one is a year old. Her last post was in July. I don't know the girl, but I'm now curious. Who doesn't love a new mystery? She probably just went home, or went somewhere else. If there was a missing hiker we would have heard about it.
Old Grouse
01-07-2010, 13:23
She posted here recently. Stop worrying.
DrRichardCranium
01-07-2010, 14:30
when did she post recently? Egads posted something from a year ago.
Last post in her 2009 trailjournal was July.
Big Dawg
01-07-2010, 15:59
She posted here recently. Stop worrying.
Last post for Mindi on WB was 7/12/09 @ 1:52am,,, saying "I'm off", heading to the trailhead I presume. I don't know Mindi, but have been following this thread, and wonder whether she's ok. I assume she is because of what Disney said... "If there was a missing hiker we would have heard about it". Most likely she's home readjusting to the concrete jungle, and hasn't made it back to WB.
Signal153
01-12-2010, 16:59
I stopped checking because I didn't hear anything for a while. I'm absolutely wracked with worry now that she was injured and no one has heard from her. I'm the friend in Fairfield that she was going to see. I emailed her with no response. I'm thinking about signing up for facebook again and contacting the woman who was going to transcribe her notes or her mom.
Signal153
01-13-2010, 16:00
Here is an update, if you want to call it that...
I sent her mom a message on facebook. No response.
I called her mom's phone based on a number I found online. Wrong number. I called another phone number. No answer. Answering machine with automated voice picks up.
I found her cell in my phone. Straight to voice mail three times now.
Her email is filled and keeps bouncing back. :(
I keep bouncing back and forth between the ideas that she doesn't want to hear from me or something terrible has happened. I can accept the former. Not knowing the latter is making me feel panicked. I wish she'd at least pick up and say, "Stop calling me!". Then I'd be okay.
The fact that no one has heard anything is scaring the hell out of me. Other than day hikes, I'm not much on the sport. What do I do now?
YoungMoose
01-13-2010, 16:07
I think she is Tired of all the bull**** in the world. And has cut all communication possible wtih you. lol
The fact that no one has heard anything is scaring the hell out of me. Other than day hikes, I'm not much on the sport. What do I do now?
Dude. Relax. The fact that no one has heard anything is a good thing. In this community, if someone went missing we would hear about it. It might not make national news, it might barely make local news, but someone in the LDH community would hear about it and we would know. We might not know immediately, but we would know.
Dollars to donuts, she's alive and she's fine. I understand bumping the post every once in a while to see if anyone has heard anything, but you're bordering on obsessive behavior.
Signal153
01-13-2010, 18:20
I'm sorry if I seem obsessive. It's a long story that I won't go into too much detail about but at one point we were very close. She was my first girlfriend and I think most of you know how that is. I guess I'm always going to feel very protective of her.
generoll
01-13-2010, 18:42
if you love something set it free, if it comes back to you it's yours. If it doesn't, hunt it down and kill it.
ShelterLeopard
01-13-2010, 18:42
Why don't you call someone/PM someone in Harpers Ferry and see if they'll go over to the headquarters of the ATC and see if she signed in and got her picture taken? Everyone does there, I'd be a bit surprised if she didn't. And she may have changed her name from sugargrits- people often change their trailnames mid hike.
Rain Man
01-13-2010, 18:57
What do I do now?
You quit obsessing and you quit stalking her online.
If it were one of my own daughters you were doing this to as an ex boyfriend, I'd be calling the authorities. And not to search for my daughter, but to pay you a visit.
If you have a LEGITIMATE relationship and REASONABLE concern, go to the police and stop stalking her online. There's no need to proclaim rationalizations for your actions and to continually pester us, ... unless you are avoiding going to the police for some reason. That's what I'm beginning to assume.
You got a REAL concern, you go to the police.
Rain Man
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Signal153
01-13-2010, 18:59
if you love something set it free, if it comes back to you it's yours. If it doesn't, hunt it down and kill it.
It's not really like that. We've tried to remain friends over the years after all the hurt of the relationship ending.
Why don't you call someone/PM someone in Harpers Ferry and see if they'll go over to the headquarters of the ATC and see if she signed in and got her picture taken? Everyone does there, I'd be a bit surprised if she didn't. And she may have changed her name from sugargrits- people often change their trailnames mid hike.
I think I'm going to let this go. Maybe she'll see this thread when she's done with her hike or email me or something. Disney is right. I can't keep obsessing over if she's okay.
Signal153
01-13-2010, 19:10
You quit obsessing and you quit stalking her online.
If it were one of my own daughters you were doing this to as an ex boyfriend, I'd be calling the authorities. And not to search for my daughter, but to pay you a visit.
If you have a LEGITIMATE relationship and REASONABLE concern, go to the police and stop stalking her online. There's no need to proclaim rationalizations for your actions and to continually pester us, ... unless you are avoiding going to the police for some reason. That's what I'm beginning to assume.
You got a REAL concern, you go to the police.
Rain Man
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Who the hell do you think you are? I am in NO WAY stalking Mindi. I do have a legitimate relationship with her. I've known the woman for nearly 10 years now. After the boyfriend/girlfriend relationship ended and we both cooled down, we started talking again as friends. In fact, I talked to her all the way up until she left. I got to hear about her sealing her tent and the weight concerns about her backpack.
As to reasonable concerns... yeah, I'm the friend she was going to visit in Fairfield. The one Old Grouse was nice enough to offer to ferry her to see. She never called me. She never called him (or her). No one has heard anything good or bad about her in months. The last person to see her said she thought she had a broken rib. I think those are all reasonable concerns.
And then to threaten me? Who do you think you are?
white_russian
01-13-2010, 20:02
Who the hell do you think you are? I am in NO WAY stalking Mindi. I do have a legitimate relationship with her. I've known the woman for nearly 10 years now. After the boyfriend/girlfriend relationship ended and we both cooled down, we started talking again as friends. In fact, I talked to her all the way up until she left. I got to hear about her sealing her tent and the weight concerns about her backpack.
As to reasonable concerns... yeah, I'm the friend she was going to visit in Fairfield. The one Old Grouse was nice enough to offer to ferry her to see. She never called me. She never called him (or her). No one has heard anything good or bad about her in months. The last person to see her said she thought she had a broken rib. I think those are all reasonable concerns.
And then to threaten me? Who do you think you are?
And I am the President of South America. It is all just words on a page, you can be anyone on the internet.
YoungMoose
01-13-2010, 20:08
Who the hell do you think you are? I am in NO WAY stalking Mindi. I do have a legitimate relationship with her. I've known the woman for nearly 10 years now. After the boyfriend/girlfriend relationship ended and we both cooled down, we started talking again as friends. In fact, I talked to her all the way up until she left. I got to hear about her sealing her tent and the weight concerns about her backpack.
As to reasonable concerns... yeah, I'm the friend she was going to visit in Fairfield. The one Old Grouse was nice enough to offer to ferry her to see. She never called me. She never called him (or her). No one has heard anything good or bad about her in months. The last person to see her said she thought she had a broken rib. I think those are all reasonable concerns.
And then to threaten me? Who do you think you are?
It's not really like that. We've tried to remain friends over the years after all the hurt of the relationship ending.
I think I'm going to let this go. Maybe she'll see this thread when she's done with her hike or email me or something. Disney is right. I can't keep obsessing over if she's okay.not for nothing Rain Man has a point. Someone suggested a really good idea about the ATC headquaters. But that involves getting off the internet and now your getting all defensive. i think this thread should be closed and this guys kicked off this website
Signal153
01-13-2010, 20:14
not for nothing Rain Man has a point. Someone suggested a really good idea about the ATC headquaters. But that involves getting off the internet and now your getting all defensive. i think this thread should be closed and this guys kicked off this website
Look, all I was doing was trying to make sure she was okay. Some people are saying I should contact other members on here in Harper's Ferry (how does that require getting off the internet?) I get defensive when people threaten me and call me a stalker. Who would have thought? You guys automatically assume that I'm some bad guy when all I'm doing is looking out for a friend I've had for a long time. How is this a bad thing? None of you have stayed friends with an ex?
Desert Reprobate
01-13-2010, 20:15
If I recall correctly, She had some medical problems before she left. It is reasonable for someone who cares to try to find out how she is doing. I have to disagree with Rainman. How would you know what force to contact with all the different jusrsdictions the trail goes through? Contacting ATC was a good idea.
Signal153
01-13-2010, 20:22
If I recall correctly, She had some medical problems before she left. It is reasonable for someone who cares to try to find out how she is doing. I have to disagree with Rainman. How would you know what force to contact with all the different jusrsdictions the trail goes through? Contacting ATC was a good idea.
Thank you! This is exactly the predicament I am in. I have no idea what state she's in or if she finished. Even if I did, I don't even know if I should contact any sort of authority. What would I say? "Yeah, so... my former girlfriend went to hike the Appalachian trail and I haven't heard from her in 6 or 7 months." and the cop or whoever on the other end of the line would say, "So, you want us to go looking for someone out in the woods? For someone who might be perfectly okay?" I don't see that happening.
YoungMoose
01-13-2010, 20:23
Look, all I was doing was trying to make sure she was okay. Some people are saying I should contact other members on here in Harper's Ferry (how does that require getting off the internet?) I get defensive when people threaten me and call me a stalker. Who would have thought? You guys automatically assume that I'm some bad guy when all I'm doing is looking out for a friend I've had for a long time. How is this a bad thing? None of you have stayed friends with an ex?
Even you said and i quote.
Here is an update, if you want to call it that...
"I sent her mom a message on facebook. No response.
I called her mom's phone based on a number I found online. Wrong number. I called another phone number. No answer. Answering machine with automated voice picks up.
I found her cell in my phone. Straight to voice mail three times now.
Her email is filled and keeps bouncing back. :(
I keep bouncing back and forth between the ideas that she doesn't want to hear from me or something terrible has happened. I can accept the former. Not knowing the latter is making me feel panicked. I wish she'd at least pick up and say, "Stop calling me!". Then I'd be okay.
The fact that no one has heard anything is scaring the hell out of me. Other than day hikes, I'm not much on the sport. What do I do now?"
Not for nothing but for me thats stalker status
Signal153
01-13-2010, 20:29
Even you said and i quote.
Here is an update, if you want to call it that...
"I sent her mom a message on facebook. No response.
I called her mom's phone based on a number I found online. Wrong number. I called another phone number. No answer. Answering machine with automated voice picks up.
I found her cell in my phone. Straight to voice mail three times now.
Her email is filled and keeps bouncing back. :(
I keep bouncing back and forth between the ideas that she doesn't want to hear from me or something terrible has happened. I can accept the former. Not knowing the latter is making me feel panicked. I wish she'd at least pick up and say, "Stop calling me!". Then I'd be okay.
The fact that no one has heard anything is scaring the hell out of me. Other than day hikes, I'm not much on the sport. What do I do now?"
Not for nothing but for me thats stalker status
How is that stalker status? I'm trying to make sure she's okay. That's all it is. That's what friends do.
ShelterLeopard
01-13-2010, 20:41
Yeah- I for one don't get what everyone is freaked about. Signal wants to check on his ex, with whom he is on good terms, and is worried about. I don't see what the fuss is about. As I said, contact the ATC at Harpers Ferry and see what's up.
Signal153
01-13-2010, 20:44
I'll call them tomorrow. I googled their information. I hope no one accuses me of stalking the ATC. :rolleyes:
Them girls can be funny.:eek:
She has no family or other friends to look out for her?:confused:
The fact that none of them have contacted you is their way of saying goodbye.:(
There is a .01 chance I'm wrong.:o
Sorry, but I got a bad vibe about this guy. No offense buddy, but as a woman, I can see why she 'fell off the face of the earth" where you're concerned. You've known her for ten years, former boyfriend, has a real good relationship now and are still close, and you come onto an internet forum to search for her????? Am I missing something here???? You've been so close for ten years and you don't have a single number of anybody that knows her???? Seems odd, dontcha think???
Signal153
01-14-2010, 07:05
It's a really complicated story. I live in CT. She lives in Florida. Our separate circles don't really pass through each other.
He's not asked for contact details or where he could find her. He's just asking if anyone knows of her well being. That does not constitute stalking. If he was stalking, he probably wouldn't have revealed he was an ex - he could have said friend or colleague.
If I were to make plans with people and renege on them without any warning or contact, I hope that they check up after me.
I hope you hear from or about her and get the peace of mind you are clearly after.
modiyooch
01-14-2010, 07:48
Apparently Mindi is home in Florida and making posts on WB
http://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/showpost.php?p=757230&postcount=67
that's a jan 2009 entry. her last post said that she was heading for the airport for her hike.
modiyooch
01-14-2010, 08:03
oops, read the thread in the wrong order. anyway, it sounds like she left the trail a long time ago. I don't think you'll get any info from here. If anything bad happened, it was after she left the trail. Since she has family, it would be family alerting authorities. Your best bet is finding the family.
i think this thread should be closed and this guys kicked off this website
I think that's an overreaction. He's clearly concerned about a friend or former friend. So he posts on the hiker locater (that's what we're here for).
The only thing that doesn't pass the smell test is the contact info. First girlfriend, now friends, lots of contact pre-trail, and now you can't get in touch with any mutual friends or family members? Weird.
Pacific Tortuga
01-15-2010, 16:30
Hear from her or not, when she decides to post here or someone connect's with her, the mystery will be solved.
Care all you want, won't change a thing just hope she's safe.
Are we ready for the Vulcan Mind Meld technique yet?
sheepdog
01-15-2010, 16:46
Are we ready for the Vulcan Mind Meld technique yet?
live long and prosper
You quit obsessing and you quit stalking her online.
If it were one of my own daughters you were doing this to as an ex boyfriend, I'd be calling the authorities. And not to search for my daughter, but to pay you a visit.
If you have a LEGITIMATE relationship and REASONABLE concern, go to the police and stop stalking her online. There's no need to proclaim rationalizations for your actions and to continually pester us, ... unless you are avoiding going to the police for some reason. That's what I'm beginning to assume.
You got a REAL concern, you go to the police.
Rain Man
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Good advice. Call the cops in her last known residence or the residence of her mom. Otherwise you are just behaving like a stalker.
yep...definately stalker material! :)
I'm betting she is trying not to be found:-?
Signal153
01-15-2010, 20:18
I think that's an overreaction. He's clearly concerned about a friend or former friend. So he posts on the hiker locater (that's what we're here for).
The only thing that doesn't pass the smell test is the contact info. First girlfriend, now friends, lots of contact pre-trail, and now you can't get in touch with any mutual friends or family members? Weird.
Well, if it will make you guys feel better about me, I'll give you the basic gist of the story.
Mindi and I were together from 2001ish to 2004ish I believe. We had a falling out in 2004 and we didn't speak for a couple of years other than a few emails back and forth.
Before her first attempt at this hike, I think we talked a bit. When she got back, she was in a relationship. When that relationship ended, and I had recently gotten out of a heart-breaking relationship myself, we were both in a dark place. We commiserated and helped each other out. I think we both realized we were a train wreck romantically but we still cared about each other.
I'm not a stalker. She told me all about this site. She told me about another site she frequents. It's not like we're strangers.
As to why I don't have contact phone numbers? Other than her email addresses and her cell phone, we were mostly long distance. Our circles of friends didn't really collide. I met one of her friends but I don't have a phone number for her. That's why I don't have a contact number other than her cell phone. I don't even think people knew we were talking to each other again. Even if I did have contact information, it would be from nearly 10 years ago.
I'm not going to get mad at all these people calling me a stalker. She told me how hikers watch out for each other. Even though it's frustrating, I realize you're trying to look out for her best interest so I can't be mad. Maybe when she sees this she'll set a few of you straight.
ShelterLeopard
01-15-2010, 21:46
live long and prosper
Difftor heh smusma.
Difftor heh smusma.
or as we say down South- SAL- LOOT!!!!!!!!
Old Grouse
01-16-2010, 19:26
OK, this is getting downright unkind. If the man has good intentions, there's a lot of insensitivity being shown. If his intentions are suspect, why is that something to joke about?
I was done with this thread, but now that I'm back at it to scold, I'll also advance a theory based on nothing but pure speculation.
I had hoped to meet Mindi, but gave up on that when it became clear she was unlikely to reach Kent and call me for a shuttle. I learned that she had previously made a NOBO attempt which she had to abort. In preparation for her SOBO, she was on WB a lot, asking questions, but also, it seemed to me, seeking reassurance. The WB community responded as it always does, with lots of heartfelt support.
Now we learn that Mindi suffered an injury soon after starting SOBO which may have forced her off the trail. Isn't it just possible that, having aborted a second time, she's had to make the hard decision to give up on a thru? And if so, isn't it possible that it's emotionally more comfortable for her to tell herself she's done with LD hiking, and with WB in the bargain? If so, we aren't likely to hear from her. I hope I 'm wrong but it makes more sense to me than to think she's lying under a log somewhere.
Hosaphone
01-16-2010, 20:24
Now we learn that Mindi suffered an injury soon after starting SOBO which may have forced her off the trail. Isn't it just possible that, having aborted a second time, she's had to make the hard decision to give up on a thru? And if so, isn't it possible that it's emotionally more comfortable for her to tell herself she's done with LD hiking, and with WB in the bargain? If so, we aren't likely to hear from her. I hope I 'm wrong but it makes more sense to me than to think she's lying under a log somewhere.
I had figured the same thing. I'm sure after leaving the trail the last thing she wants to do is come on here and read about other people leaving for thruhikes.
Outrider
01-16-2010, 22:47
After seeing a lot of the post on here. I can see why she would not want to come back to WB.
Signal153
01-16-2010, 22:47
Well, I have good news.
I'm fairly sure Mindi is alive and well. I haven't gotten confirmation but this is my gut feeling based on some stuff that I cannot discuss. It's off-site stuff that I don't know if she'd be comfortable with me releasing.
I believe this is the end of my participation on your board. I will watch every so often to see if anyone gets anything more but I feel as though this conversation has degraded into something nasty.
To all the good people who had a little faith in me, gave me suggestions, kept their ears open, or just had good thoughts and hopes, I sincerely appreciate it. I know Mindi does too. She's a good person.
YoungMoose
01-16-2010, 22:58
Lol. So i gues she just doesnt want you in her life since she has blocked all other communications from her. Good luck and sorry about the criticism
So, you're just going to leave us hanging? That's like tearing the last 10 pages out of a book.
Signal153
01-16-2010, 23:02
Lol. So i gues she just doesnt want you in her life since she has blocked all other communications from her. Good luck and sorry about the criticism
That's her choice and I can respect that, even if it's hard to accept. Maybe she found some awesome dude, she's living happily ever after and she doesn't want to screw that up by involving an ex in her life. That's what I'd like to think. That's what I'm going to continue to think.
ShelterLeopard
01-17-2010, 16:18
Hey signal- would ya post back here when you find out for sure she's okay? Just had me a little worried.
OK, this is getting downright unkind. If the man has good intentions, there's a lot of insensitivity being shown. If his intentions are suspect, why is that something to joke about?
I was done with this thread, but now that I'm back at it to scold, I'll also advance a theory based on nothing but pure speculation.
I had hoped to meet Mindi, but gave up on that when it became clear she was unlikely to reach Kent and call me for a shuttle. I learned that she had previously made a NOBO attempt which she had to abort. In preparation for her SOBO, she was on WB a lot, asking questions, but also, it seemed to me, seeking reassurance. The WB community responded as it always does, with lots of heartfelt support.
Now we learn that Mindi suffered an injury soon after starting SOBO which may have forced her off the trail. Isn't it just possible that, having aborted a second time, she's had to make the hard decision to give up on a thru? And if so, isn't it possible that it's emotionally more comfortable for her to tell herself she's done with LD hiking, and with WB in the bargain? If so, we aren't likely to hear from her. I hope I 'm wrong but it makes more sense to me than to think she's lying under a log somewhere.
That's some top quality scolding. Right on the money without being over the top. I feel a bit ashamed and it's certainly changed the tune of the thread.
Hope she's ok, wish her well, all that jazz.
Big Dawg
01-18-2010, 19:47
Whenever she does make it back around here, she'll have a hoot of a read in this 4k viewed thread!
Hope you're safe & sound out there Mindi.