Intend to do a thru hopefully, AT, early start, South to North.

I have only section hiked the AT in N Ga years ago mostly in the winter.

I am questioning, with a 15dF bag, tent and bivy,

1. do I need the insulated pants at the start.

2. I really wanted to take a minima syn vest (5oz), not sure I need it, but I like them for hiking

3. Should I take an extra set of clothes, IE thoughfare superlight ?? I gut sez yes. (10 oz )

4. I have a 3.2 oz water bucket that could come in handy. It will stand up.

5. Also thought about picking up one of those 4.2oz sea to summit bag showers. Seems like it would make a good water bag/shower/food bag maybe ??

6. Driducks. I really wanted these as an extra layer when cold as I am not carrying a wind layer. I could carry a sil nylon poncho/tarp (9oz) instead and have more of a vestibule if I get rained in. 10oz driducks vs 9 oz poncho. Driducks would be better for wind. I could always start withthe driducks and toss them. I am sure they will get battered.

Also I could drop almost a pound on the tent and get a bigger vesibule if I rebuild the fly in cuben and replace the poles with carbon fiber. Not sure if I really want to do that or not.

I will be wearing - cold start.....
Top - Smartwool micro tee, Either a cashmere lightweight sweater (10 oz bargain store $4) or long silk top, wool shirt and whatever else in my list below.
Bottom - Bike shorts, silk bottoms or nothing, light wt wool pants. If very cold maybe the insul pants.

Summer
Top - Smartwool micro Tee, thorofare shirt (5oz) or other lightwieght similar shirt. Hot micro tee only or nothing.
Bottom Bike shorts and maybe thorofare or other lightweight pants.

Feet Asics Trubaco shoes.

I plan to pack with almost all of this eq all the way through.

My base weight is 13.6# to start, 12.4# when it warms up.
With 1.5# of food per day, 4# of h20, pig out at stops, that puts me at
about 21# and 20# for 2 days food and 26# and 25# with 5 days food.

I am sure I will add some more stuff later on the trail, like more hand sanitizer, bad of soap, food etc so I could see it going up a pound or two.

The first column is cold start, second column after it warms up.
I could go lighter on this stuff, but I already have everything except for a couple of items.

Thanks


AT winter
AT


start
after


Base
Swap


217.8
198.3


13.6#
12.4#




SHELTER



Spitfire tent

45
45
ground cloth 1.5 oz

1.5
1.5
tyvek bivy 6 oz

6
6




Sleep



Montbell #1 spiral 15dF

35
35
Blue pad 4oz

4
4
Neoair regular 14oz

14
14




PACKING



Old Kelty Pack 40oz

-
-
Backpack

18
18
Cuben pack liner 1oz

1
1
Cuben Rain Cover 1oz

1
1
GG Hiking Poles 8 oz

Carry
Carry




CLOTHES in pack



Extra Socks smartwool

2
2
Heavy wool Socks 3 oz

3
3
Waterproof sun hat 2 oz

2
Worn
Sock hat 2 oz

Worn
2
Silk johns med wt 10 oz

10
10
Bug head net

1
1




Fall/Spg/Winter Clothes

golite salsa 17 oz

17
17
Cheapo insul pants 14 oz

14
Sent hm
Add 10 oz for extra pants and shirt Thorofare ***
-
-
Superlight fleece scarf

1.5
Send hm
Wool Gloves 2.8 oz

2.8
2.8




Raingear



Driducks micropore TOP 6 oz (extra layer)
6
6
Driducks micropore Bottom 4 oz (extra layer)
4





COOK kit #1 2.5 oz

2.5
2.5




Fuel bottle

1
1
Cuben Food Bag

1
1




HYDRATION



Platys

2
2
Water Filter

2
2
Water scooper .3

0.3
0.3
Sweetwater

2
2




HYGENE



deoderant .3

0.3
0.3
razor .2

0.2
0.2
Hand sanitizer

1
1
comb 1 .1

0.1
0.1
Toothbrush and tooth paste .5
0.5
0.5
Floss

0.1
0.1
toilet paper partial roll 2

2
2
Trowel

1
1
Soap

1
1




EVERYDAY STUFF



compass

1
1
Map 1 oz

1
1
Atom light and batteries

1
1
cutter advanced

0.5
0.5
kelty triptease

1
1
food bag

0.5
0.5
Swiss Army knife pocket

-
-
cell phone pocket

-
-
Small microfiber cloth

1
1




MEDICAL

3
3
1 tube krazy glue



aspirin,Advil,Exced,Psud



Tape



Sensiwrap



Moleskin



1 butterfly bandaid



2 Suture strip bandaids



2 regular bandaids



Tiny surgical sponge



3x4 non adhesive pad



Neosporin



Anti-diarrhea







Survival pack

3
3
added lighter



Gorilla tape, rubber bands


8 aquamira h20 tablets



Micro compass on cord,



Items from factory pak



Scapel blade



Fresnel lens



Signal mirror



2 pc wp paper



Micro pencil



Heavy alum foil



Nylon thread



Nylon cord



SS wire



Fish hooks



fire tinder



sparker



whistle



Sewing needle



Fish hoks



Safety pin

Sorry, my list separated when I posted.
I will put it in as text.

AT winter
start
Base
216.8
13.6
AT
after
Swap
197.3
12.3

SHELTER
Spitfire tent
ground cloth 1.5 oz
tyvek bivy 6 oz

Sleep
Montbell #1 spiral 15dF
Blue pad 4oz
Neoair regular 14oz

PACKING
Old Kelty Pack 40oz
Backpack
Cuben pack liner 1oz
Cuben Rain Cover 1oz
GG Hiking Poles 8 oz

CLOTHES in pack
Extra Socks smartwool
Heavy wool Socks 3 oz
Waterproof sun hat 2 oz
Sock hat 2 oz
Silk johns med wt 10 oz
Bug head net

Fall/Spg/Winter Clothes
golite salsa 17 oz
Cheapo insul pants 14 oz
Add 10 oz for extra pants and shirt Thorofare ***
Superlight fleece scarf
Wool Gloves 2.8 oz

Raingear
Driducks micropore TOP 6 oz (extra layer)
Driducks micropore Bottom 4 oz (extra layer)
COOK kit #1 2.5 oz
Fuel bottle
Cuben Food Bag

HYDRATION
Platys
Water Filter
Water scooper .3
Sweetwater

HYGENE
deoderant .3
razor .2
Hand sanitizer
comb 1 .1
Toothbrush and tooth paste .5
Floss
toilet paper partial roll 2
Trowel
Soap

EVERYDAY STUFF
compass
Map 1 oz
Atom light and batteries
cutter advanced
kelty triptease
food bag
Swiss Army knife pocket
cell phone pocket
Small microfiber cloth

MEDICAL
1 tube krazy glue
aspirin,Advil,Exced,Psud
Tape
Sensiwrap
Moleskin
1 butterfly bandaid
2 Suture strip bandaids
2 regular bandaids
Tiny surgical sponge
3x4 non adhesive pad
Neosporin
Anti-diarrhea

Survival pack
added lighter
Gorilla tape, rubber bands
8 aquamira h20 tablets
Micro compass on cord,
Items from factory pak
Scapel blade
Fresnel lens
Signal mirror
2 pc wp paper
Micro pencil
Heavy alum foil
Nylon thread
Nylon cord
SS wire
Fish hooks
fire tinder
sparker
whistle
Sewing needle
Fish hoks
Safety pin

Likely if your pack is old you will need a new one on the hike for sure.

Leave home: fish hooks, fire tinder, foil, signal mirror, blade, rubber bands, 2nd lighter, 2nd compass (you are most always near civilization on the AT - don't need these things in all honesty) , butterfly bandaid, Moleskin and tape (duct tape is all you need for this and repair), glue, insect repellent until later, soap , deodorant, comb (everyone smells and town is 3-4 days away, usually), water filter (switch to Aqua Mira), your cook kit seems heavy (use a alcohol stove or pocket rocket, one small titanium pot and a spork)

Clothes - need a balaclava (is that the sock hat? - but also need an insulating hat too), no scarf with balaclava, I don't like wool (too heavy), I'd go with smart wool tops and bottoms for an insulating layer in a cold start (silk is too lightweight), need some kind of insulating jacket like down. Need to say what your camp clothes are, couldn't figure it out.

Need zero degree bag for winter hiking.

>water filter (switch to Aqua Mira),

It is

>your cook kit is heavy

The entire kit is 2.5 oz. Maybe you thought it said 12.5 ??
Bag cook, alc stove, can pot, spork, 2 plastic cups etc.

> Clothes - balaclava might come in handy (is that the sock hat?
I have that listed twice I think.

> but also need an insulating hat),
I have a heavy wool cap thats great.
I have a superb hat with ear flaps I hunt in. Maybe I will take that.


>I'd go with smart wool tops and bottoms for an insulating layer in a cold start (silk is too lightweight),

Hm, already have the silk. I will get the smartwools

>need some kind of insulating jacket
Golite Salsa in the list.
http://www.prolitegear.com/golite-salsa-jacket.html

>Need to say what your camp clothes are, couldn't figure it out.
Probably the extra thorofare in the list. That would add another 10oz.

>15 degree bag is not warm enough for a winter start unless it's early March, imo.

Thats was the reason for the insul pants and wool pants, wool shirt, salsa jacket, driducks. I figure if I had too I could wear all that and survive down to zero.

bump for later reading...list looks good...im planning my first thru on the LT this summer....and will be bringing similar items leaving out winter gear

Changing it somewhat and will repost or link.

13.6 lb is good for cold weather.
Sleeping gear: If you live anywhere near someplace cold, go on a short trip to test your sleeping gear and clothing at temps equal to what is normal for the AT at your start date.

"1. do I need the insulated pants at the start."
You could just stay in your sleeping bag to stay warm in camp, but I like being warm in camp without having to stay in my bag.

"2. I really wanted to take a minima syn vest (5oz), not sure I need it, but I like them for hiking" It's only 5 oz, take it and mail it home when it's not needed. Being able to adjust your clothing layers so that you are warm enough and not sweating is important when it's cold. If any parts of your clothing system help with this, it's worth a bit of extra weight.

Thanks,

I am making some changes. The salsa is going back. $54 though so it was a good deal. Great jacket, but a montbell thermawrap parka with a hood weighs the same.

I plan to start early so that was the reason for the insul pants. More for extending my bag down to zero than anything else. I can't see wearing smartwool bottoms, insul pants, wool pants on top and hiking in anything less than sub zero. Probalby overkill.

I will for sure have smartwool bottoms, med wool pants and rainducks bottoms, so in a MB #1, in a bivy, in a tent, so maybe that will be enough. I will have to think about it some more.

I really like vests. I have had one of some sort since the 70's.
Perfect for heavy duty hiking.
I will probably go ahead and order the kit.

Unfortunately my down vest does not fit anymore, urp !!!

I used a sea-to-summit pocket shower as a stuff sack for my sleeping bag. I swam across some Sierra rivers and it kept my sleeping bag dry. I only used it once as a shower to wash my hair. I think I could have washed my hair just as well with my 1 liter smartwater bottle. You wouldn't want to put food in it because eventually you'd get crumbs or maybe your powdered milk would explode or something and then your pocket shower would be a mess.