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TJ aka Teej
03-24-2005, 21:53
The following is a list of terms and commonly used words, phrases, abbreviations, and slang used in the Appalachian Trail community.


This list is a work in progress! If you have any other of these terms that are not listed here and would like them added please post to this thread.



2000 Miler is a person who has hiked the entire distance between termini of the official (white-blazed) A.T., either by thru-hiking or section hiking.

A.L.D.H.A. The Appalachian Long Distance Hikers Association began in 1983 as an off-trail family of fellow hikers who’ve all shared similar experiences, hopes and dreams on the Appalachian Trail and other long trails. ALDHA sponsers the Gathering each October and member volunteers compile the The THru-hikers' Companion for the ATC. Membership in this nonprofit group is open to all. www.aldha.org (http://www.aldha.org/)

Alpine Zone: the area consisting of all the land above tree line in New England. The alpine zone is best defined by its plant life. Conifers such as spruce and balsam grow as Krumholz near the tree line, giving way to tundra-type lichens, moss, and shrubs above.

A.M.C. The Appalachian Mountain Club, maintaining the AT in the White Mountains of New Hampshire to Grafton Notch in Maine. www.outdoors.org (http://www.outdoors.org/)

AMC Huts In New Hampshire's White Mountains, in heavy use areas and above treeline, the AMC provides buildings called Huts for backpackers to stay overnight. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/whites/huts.html (http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/whites/huts.html)

A.T.C. The Appalachian Trail Conservancy The Appalachian Trail Conference (ATC) is a volunteer-based, private, nonprofit organization dedicated to the preservation, management, and promotion of the Appalachian Trail as a primitive setting for outdoor recreation (on foot) and for learning. ATC is both a confederation of Trail-maintaining clubs and an individual-membership organization. www.appalachiantrail.org (http://www.appalachiantrail.org/)

ATN The Appalachian Trailways News. The monthly news magazine of the Appalachian Trail Conservancy.

Avery, Myron Myron Avery, 1931-1952the first 2000 miler, and the man credited with building the Appalachian Trail. Chair of the ATC from 1931 until his death in 1952.

AYCE 'All You Can Eat' Restaurants that offer all you can eat buffets are very popular with hungry hikers.

AYH is the abbreviation for American Youth Hostels.

Bald A low elavation mountain surrounded by forest yet devoid of trees on the crown. typically covered with meadows, balds can offer great views and are a good place to find wild berries, they also attract much wildlife. A southern term.

Baseball Bat Shelter (Floors) An old style of shelter construction in Maine where the floor would be constructed out of parallel logs each with diameters not much greater than that of a baseball bat.

Baxter Baxter State Park, where Katahdin is, and the AT's Northern terminus on Baxter Peak. www.baxterstateparkauthority.com (http://www.baxterstateparkauthority.com/)

Bear Bag The bag used by hikers to hang their food out of reach of bears and other critters, see 'Food Bag.'

Bear Cable A permenant cable rigged high between two tree specifically for hanging bear bags.

Blackflies There are about 40 species of these tiny biting insects that breed in running water and flourish in late May and June in Maine.

BMT The Benton MacKaye Trail www.bmta.org (http://www.bmta.org/) This trail is complete from Springer Mountain to US Hwy 64 near the Ocoee River in Tennessee, a distance of 90.9 miles.

Bivouac To sleep outdoors without a tent or proper gear, usually done only in emergency situations. Though alpine climbers may do planned bivouacs on long and difficult routes, carrying gear known as a bivouac sack.

Bivy Sack is a lightweight and waterproof bag that covers a sleeping bag. Simple, sometimes cramped shelter.

Blazes are painted, 2-inch by 6-inch, vertical white rectangles that are placed at eye height on trees and other objects, in both directions, to mark the official route of the Trail. Side trails are marked with blue blazes. You see horizontal, diagonal, arrows, and other blazes along the Trail.

Blaze orange A very bright, visable in low light, hue of orange. The color to wear during hunting season.

Blow-down is a tree or shrub that has fallen across the Trail. Maintainer have dozens of words to describe each kind of fallen tree.

Blue blaze Spur trails off the AT to bad-weather routes, views, shelters, water sources etc are often marked by AT style blazes painted Blue.

Blue-blazer is a long-distance hiker who substitutes a section of blue-blazed trail for a white-blazed section between two points on the Trail.

Bog bridge Narrow wooden walkway placed to protect sensitive wetlands.

Bounce box a mail-drop type box containing seldom used necessities that is 'bounced' ahead to a town where you think you might need the contents.

Buffer zone Areas important to, but not part of, the Appalachian trail.

Bushwhack to hike where there is no marked trail.

Cache (pronounced cash) is a supply of food and/or supplies hidden for later retrieval.

Cairn A obviously manmade pile of rocks erected as a trail marker. Chiefly used above timberline. Should be close enough to see the next one in heavy fog, and high enough to see above fallen snow.

Cannister Stove The type of small backpacking stove that uses metal cans of fuel. See: http://www.whiteblaze.net/index.php?page=content&t=8311

Caretaker The person who maintains and collects fees at certain shelters and campsites.

Cat Hole A small hole dug by a hiker for the deposit of human waste.

Cirque A cwm. The bowl of Tuckerman Ravine is a cirque.

Col and Sag are typically dips in the ridge without a road, while Gap and Notch are typically larger dips that have a road going through. Sag is a typically southern term, as is Gap, while Col and Notch are typically northern terms. Water Gap, is of course, a Gap with a river.

Companion The ALDHA Thru-hikers' Companion is an AT guidebook compiled by AHLDA volunteers for the ATC. www.aldha.org (http://www.aldha.org/)

Cove is a Southern Appalachian word meaning a high, flat valley surrounded by mountains. Cades Cove in the Smokies is the one most people know about.
http://www.cadescove.net/ (http://www.cadescove.net/)

Corridor The Appalachian Trail is a long and narrow Park, sometimes less than 100 feet wide. The Area set aside for the AT to pass within is called the Trail Corridor.

Cowboy camping is where one camps without any shelter - just spread one's pad and bag out under the stars and putting one's faith in their opinion about the weather staying dry.

Croo are the crew of caretakers who man the Appalachian Mountain Club Huts. For the most part, the summer Croo will be college students.

Cryptosporidium A Waterborne pathogen, Cryptosporidium is a parasite commonly found in lakes and rivers, especially when the water is contaminated with sewage and animal wastes. Cryptosporidium is very resistant to disinfection, and even a well-operated water treatment system cannot ensure that drinking water will be completely free of this parasite.

Data Book Published for over 25 years by the ATC the Data Book is a consolidation of the most basic guidebook information into a lightweight table of distances between major Appalachian Trail shelters, road-crossings, and features--divided according to the guidebook volumes and updated each December to account for Trail relocations, new (or removed) shelters, and other changes. Now keyed to both guidebook sections and maps. http://www.atctrailstore.org/ (http://www.atctrailstore.org/)

Dead Fall: A maintainer's term for a fallen dead trees across the trail.

DEET A powerful insect repellant.

DOC The Dartmouth Outing Club, maintaining 70 miles of AT in Vermont and New Hampshire. www.dartmouth.edu/~doc/ (http://www.dartmouth.edu/~doc/)

Double blaze Two blazes, one above the other as an indication of an imminent turn or intersection in the trail. Offset double blazes, called Garveys, indicate the direction of the turn by the offset of the top blaze.

Dead Fall: Fallen dead trees across the trail. This term is used by maintainers all the time.

Dodgeways are V-shaped stiles through fences, used where the Trail passes through livestock enclosures.

Duct Tape A wide, heavy duty, and multi purpose tape used by hikers for everything from covering blisters to repairing gear.

Endangered Services Campaign A decade old ALDHA response to preserving the positive relationship between hiker and service provider.

End-to-ender is an alternative term for 2,000-Miler.

Fall line: The fall line is the most direct route downhill from any particular point

Flip-flop a term used to signify a hiker that starts hiking in one direction then at some point decides to jump ahead and hike back in the opposite direction. Some hikers on the AT will start hiking northbound from Springer Mt. and usually at Harpers Ferry they may decide to go to Katahdin and hike back down to Harpers Ferry, thus completing their thru-hike. This is a good way for someone to still get their hike completed if they are behind and their time is limited due to the oncoming winter.

Food Bag a bag a hiker carries in their pack specifically for keeping all their food in. It is typically suspended from a tree at night so bears and varmints don't get into it. Also called Bear Bag.

GAME or GAMEr A hike or hiker going from Georgia to Maine.

Gap A southern term for a low spot along a ridge line, called a col by northern individuals.

Gathering The ALDHA Gathering, held each October alternating between Hanover New Hampshire and Athens, West Virginia. http://www.aldha.org/gathring.htm

Garvey, Ed Ed Garvey 1914-1999 Celebrated friend of the AT, conservationist, thru-hiker, author of 1971s 'Appalachian Hiker' an adventure story that offered practical advice for AT hikers, and widely credited with popularizing backpacking and the Appalachian Trail. A 'Garvey' is a double blaze where the top blaze is offset to indicate the direction of a turn in the Trail.

Gear head is a hiker whose main focus is backpacking and outdoors gear.

Giardia more properly known as giardiasis, an infection of the lower intestines cause by the amoebic cyst, Giardia lamblia. Giardia resides in water so it is wise to always chemically treat or filter your water before drinking. Symptoms include stomach cramps, diarrhea, bloating, loss of appetite and vomiting. Also know as, a backpacker’s worst nightmare.

GORP goold ole raisins & peanuts, or some other variation thereof.

Gray Water (Dirty dishwater.) Some campsites will have designated spots to dump your gray water. Such designated spots may be provided with a strainer so that you can remove your food particles from the gray water and pack those out.

Great Smoky Mountain National Park http://www.nps.gov/grsm/ (http://www.nps.gov/grsm/)

Ground Control Hiker support that handles the 'real world' concerns like bills and pets,and mails a hiker packages.

Fall line: The fall line is the most direct route downhill from any particular point. The Appalachian Trail runs the fall line in much of New England.

FSO 'From Skin Out.' When considering the weight of gear, its important to remember that your total gear weight 'from the skin out' is as important a total as what your pack weighs.

Handbook The Thru-hiker's Handbook is an AT guidebook compiled by Dan Bruce. www.trailplace.com (http://www.trailplace.com/)

Harpers Ferry The ATC's National Headquarters and Information Center is located in Harpers Ferry WV, about 1000 AT miles north of Springer Mountain. A short blue blazed trail leads to HQ, where AT hikers traditionaly sign the register and have their photo taken.

Headlamp A small flashight attached to a band or strap and worn on the head.

Hicker is a person who is still trying to figure out the whole hiker/gear thing while on the trail.

Hiker Box A cabinet or box at hostels where hikers donate unwanted food for the hikers coming behind them.

Hammock A sleeping system that combines a tent and sleeping bag, hung between two trees.

Hostel An establishment along the trail that has bunks, showers, and sometimes cooking and maildrops, for AT hikers.

Hydration System An 'improvement' on drinking out of a bottle, consists of a plastic bladder, hose, and mouth piece/valve that allows hands free drinking.

HYOH Hike your own hike, and not imitate someone else's.

Hypothermia Potentially fatal condition caused by insufficient heat and a drop in the body's core temperature. Classic symptoms are call the 'umbles', as the victim stumbles, grumbles, mumbles, and fumbles with confused thoughts. >WB link will go here<

Iceberg Icebergs are large rocks planted in the ground at an overused campsite to discourage any more tenting.

International Appalachian Trail The IAT runs north and east from Maine's Katahdin to the Gaspé Peninsula in New Brunswick, and nows across to Newfoundland. http://www.internationalat.org/SIAIAT/ (http://www.internationalat.org/SIAIAT/)

Katahdin The AT's northern terminus is at Baxter Peak on Maine's Katahdin. Katahdin is a Penobscot Indian word meaning Greatest Mountain.

Knob A prominent rounded hill or mountain. A southern term.

Krumholtz Literally "crippled wood", the stunted and gnarled trees found near treeline, especially in the White Mountains.

Lean-to is another word for a three sided open shelter, used primarily in New England.

Leki a brand of hiking staff resembling a ski pole, common name for all poles made by the other brands.

Long-distance hiker is a somewhat indeterminate term applied to anyone who is hiking more than a few weeks, and who usually has to resupply at least once during his or her hike; often used interchangeably with the term thru-hiker. At Baxter State Park, a LDH is someone who has hiked in from 100 or more miles south.

LNT means 'Leave No Trace', a philosophy and skill used to pass as lightly as possible when backpacking.

Lyme Disease A debilitating illness carried by small ticks.

Long Trail Vermont's Long Trail runs from the Massachusetts to Canadian border, the southern third in conjunction with the AT. http://www.greenmountainclub.org/page.php?id=2 (http://www.greenmountainclub.org/page.php?id=2)

MacGyver After an old TV show where the hero would construct useful devices out of common materials. To hikers it means to build or repair gear with imagination.

MacKaye Benton MacKaye (rhymes with high, not hay) is the man who in 1921 proposed an Appalachian Trail as the connecting thread of a 'project in regional planning." MacKaye envisioned a trail along the ridgecrests of the Appalachian Mountain chain from New England to the Deep South, connecting farms, work camps, and study camps that would be populated by eastern urbanites needing a break from the tensions of industrialization.

Mail Drop Mail drops are a method of re-supply while hiking. A mail drop is usually made ahead of time, before the hike starts, and a person not hiking (usually a spouse or relative, but it can be a friend) mails the package according to a pre-arranged schedule so that it arrives on time for the hiker to receive it at the post office.

MATC The Maine Appalachian Trail Club The trail maintaining club responsible for trail maintenance from Grafton Notch, Maine to Baxter Peak on Katahdin.

Maintainer is a volunteer who participates in the organized Trail-maintenance programs of the ATC and its member clubs.

MEGA or ME-GA A hike or hiker going from Maine to Georgia.

Mountain Money Toilet paper.

Mouse hanger The cord with can contraption used to discourage mice from entering a pack when hung in a shelter.

National scenic trail is the official designation for one type of trail protected by the National Scenic Trails System Act of 1968.

Nero Almost a Zero ...in other words, a very short mileage day.

NoBo Northbound thru-hiker, also a GAMEr (Georgia > Maine)

NOC the Nantahala Outdoor Center. A lot of folks make the mistake of referring to Wesser, NC as "NOC."

NPS is the abbreviation for National Park Service.

Philosopher's Guide The original guide for thru-hiking the AT, first a few sheets of info passed around in hiking circles, later a book published by the ATC.

Pot Cozy A foam or cloth wrap tokeep a cooking pot warm while it finishes cooking.

Posthole to hike in deep snow without snowshoes or skis, leaving large holes in the trail. Postholing is considered bad form and makes subsequent snowshoeing or skiing unpleasant and hazardous.

Power hiker is a hiker who habitually chooses to cover very long distances each day, often hiking late into the evening.

Privy a trailside outhouse for solid waste. You souldn't pee in the privy.

PUDS is thru-hiker shorthand for "pointless ups and downs", referring to the less interesting sections of mountains thru-hikers encounter from time to time; several PUDS in a row are MUDS, which is shorthand for "mindless ups and downs".

Pulaski Half axe, half adze, the Pulaski is a multi purpose trail building and maintaining tool.

Puncheon is the proper name for bog bridge.

Purist 1. A hiker who wants to pass every white blaze. 2. A hiker who wants others to pass every white blaze.

Puncheon (also called a bog bridge) is a wooden walkway built to provide a stable, hardened tread-way across bogs, mud flats, and marshy areas.

Register A log book normally found at a trail shelter or a trail head. The original intent was for hikers to sign in so a searcher needing to find a lost hiker could tell where they last were.

Relo A section of trail recently relocated.

Ridge Runner A person paid by a trail-maintaining club or governmental organization to hike back and forth along a certain section of trail to educate hikers, enforce regulations, monitor trail and campsite use, and sometimes perform trail maintanence or construction duties. Such persons are most often found in high-use areas of the trail.

Rime ice White super-cooled water droplets that stick to surfaces and freeze into the direction of the wind.

RMC The Randolph Mountian Club, maintain the Perch and Crag Camp in the Presidentials of New Hampshire. www.randolphmountainclub.org/ (mip://03d9a3b0/www.randolphmountainclub.org/)

Ruck Originally small informal gatherings of past and future AT hikers, they have evolved into larger annual schedueled events.
http://friends.backcountry.net/ruck/ (http://friends.backcountry.net/ruck/)

Sag and Col are typically dips in the ridge without a road, while Gap and Notch are typically larger dips that have a road going through. Sag is a typically southern term, as is Gap, while Col and Notch are typically northern terms. Water Gap, is of course, a Gap with a river.

Section hiker is a person who is attempting to become a 2,000-Miler by doing a series of section hikes over a period of time.

Shaffer, Earl Earl Shaffer 1918-2002 "The Crazy One," the first person to thru-hike the Appalachian Trail. Poet, WW2 veteran, author of 'Walking With Spring,' and 'The Appalachian Trail, Calling Me Back To The Hills,' and three time thru-hiker, northbound in 1948, southbound in 1965, and northbound again at age 79, 50 years after his first hike. http://www.earlshaffer.com/ (http://www.earlshaffer.com/)

Shelter A three sided wooden or stone building, spaced out a half day's hike apart, near a water source, and with a privy. The AT has many kinds of shelters, from barns to cabins.

Shuttle A ride from town to trailhead, usually for a fee.

Skunked Failing to get a car to stop when hitch hiking.

Slabbing is a hiking term that refers to going around a mountain on a moderately graded footpath, as opposed to going straight up and over the mountain.

Slackpacking is a hiking term coined in 1980 to describe an unhurried and non-goal-oriented manner of long-distance hiking (i.e., slack: "not taut or tense, loose"), but in recent years has been used to refer simply to thru-hiking without a backpack. Recently called "Freedom Packing".

Spruce Trap When snow is deep enough that it cover the top of a spruce tree, beware. Since there will be voids in the snow pack, you can fall into those voids and get caught. When you appear to be above timberline, but you know that the trees are 8 feet high at this place in summer, then beware. Since you can't see where the trail is, you cannot stay on it, and you cannot avoid the spruce traps.

Springer Mountain's summit is the southern terminus of the Appalachin Trail.

Springer fever is the almost uncontrollable urge to be back on the Trail that hits thru-hikers of past years each spring.

Stealth a manner of camping where there is no indication that you are there, and no trace of your being there is left when you've left. Sometimes used as a term for camping illegally on public or private land.

Stile Steps constructed over a fence to allow people, but not livestock, to pass.

Swag is the lowest connecting point between two ridges in the South.

Switch Back: A turn that takes the hiker 180 degrees in the oposite direction. This trail construction technique is primarily used south of New England on the AT.

Tarp a simple tent with no floor or door.

"Ten essentials" Short lists of 10 or 12 items thought necessary to be carried by day hikers in their pack. One example of such a list: Map, Compass, Water and a way to purify it, Extra food, Rain gear/extra clothing, Fire starter and matches, First aid kit, Army Knife/multi purpose tool, flashight with extra batteries/bulbs, sun screen/sun glasses.

Tent Pad/Platform At some camping sites, tenting is restricted to built up earthen 'pads' or wooden 'platforms' to ease impact on the area.

Thru-hiker is traditionally a person who is attempting to become a 2,000-Miler in a single, continuous journey leaving from one terminus of the Trail, and backpacking to the other terminus.

Ticks Small parasitic insects that can carry Lyme disease and other illnesses. Photo of the tick and the 'bullseye' rash from Lyme Net: http://www.lymenet.org/pictures.shtml (http://www.lymenet.org/pictures.shtml) More on Lyme from the ATC website: http://www.appalachiantrail.org/hike/plan/health.html#8 (http://www.appalachiantrail.org/hike/plan/health.html#8)

Trail Angel Someone who provides unexpected help or food to a hiker.

Trailhead Where the trail leaves a road crossing or parking lot.

Trail Magic Unexpected, but welcome, help or food.

Trail Name A nickname adopted by or given to a hiker.

Trail Runners Light weight sneaker style hiking shoes.

Treadway The trail beneath a hiker's boots, constructed for that purpose.

Treeline The point of elevation on a mountain above whice the climate will no longer support tree growth.

Shenandoha National Park About 100 miles of the AT runs through the Blue Ridge Mountains this Park in Virginia. >link<

Switchback a method of building a trail that forms a zig-zag of trails up a mountain. The strategy is to prevent erosion and to make the climb easier. Switchbacks are not made to be short cutted although some people do, which damages trail. Switchbacks are often appreciated by hikers.

Thru-hiking is the act of attempting to become a 2,000-Miler in a single, continuous journey.

Ultra light A style of gear or hiking that focuses on using the lightest gear possible.

USFS is the abbreviation for United States Forest Service.

Vitamin I Ibuprofin an over the counter anti-inflammatory drug that many hikers use while backpacking.

Volunteer is a person who works for the ATC, one of the local A.T. clubs, or other organizations without pay, usually a maintainer, but not necessarily so.

Waterbar is a log or rock barrier that diverts water off the Trail to prevent erosion.

The Whites The White Mountains of New Hampshire, http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/whites/at.html (http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/whites/at.html)

Whiteblazer A term from the Appalachian Trail to describe a person hiking pure (see purist), that is, hiking past every white blaze - which are the standard trail markers on the AT. Also what members of WhiteBlaze.net are called.

Widowmaker Widowmakers are limbs or whole trees themselves that have partially fallen but remain hung up overhead and so pose a danger to a person below.

Wilderness Area An official designation for public lands set aside to be protected from humans.

Work for stay Some hostels, the AMC Huts in the Whites, and a few other places along the AT allow some hikers to work in stead of paying the fee for lodging.

Yogi-ing is the good-natured art of "letting" food be offered cheerfully by strangers without actually asking them directly (If you ask, it's begging!).

YMMV 'Your Mileage May Vary', hiker jargon for 'this worked for me, but your results/opinions might not be the same.'

Yo-yo-ing is the act of completing one A.T. thru-hike, then immediately turning around to begin another in the opposite direction.

Yurt A round semi-permanent structure, tent like in form.

Z Rest A closed cell sleeping pad that folds into a rectangular block, rather than rolling up.

Zero day is a day in which no miles are hiked, usually because the hiker is stopping in a town to resupply and/or rest.

SGT Rock
03-24-2005, 22:50
Hey TJ,

If you can, the system will work better if you go back and edit the original post I linked to, otherwise I have to keep going back and changing code. I changed it this time, so the most recent post will be the new Trail Terms page.

Thanks,

TJ aka Teej
03-24-2005, 23:28
Thanks for all the help, keep those words and ideas coming!

RockyTrail
03-25-2005, 00:52
"Widowmaker Widowmakers are weak wood attached to trees or large branches hung up in trees that pose a danger to a person below."


A Widowmaker can not only be weak attached wood, but it can be the entire tree itself, I think I've seen more of these than the branch-only type. I've woken up to find these over my campsite more times than I wish to admit.

walkin' wally
03-25-2005, 18:37
Buffer Zone, Usage I believe is the Trail Corridor.

Rocky Trail has a good point about Widowmakers. Some trail side trees for instance can topple part way up just by someone hitting them from ground level. The main stem can separate a distance up the trunk and hit someone below. I prefer to let the wind bring them down and cut them from the treadway at ground level.

TJ aka Teej
03-25-2005, 18:48
Need entries for:
Great Smoky Mountain National Park
RMC Randolph Mountain Club
DOC Dartmouth Outting Club
GMC Green Mountain Club
FPA/RUA Forest Protection/Restricted Use Areas
CCC Civillian Conservation Corps
Buffer Zone
Trail Corridor
Timber Line
Crypto
Nalgene
Lexan
Alcohol Stove
Tin Can Stove
and links to pics on WB to illustrate entries.

walkin' wally
03-25-2005, 20:01
MATC The Maine Appalachian Trail Club. The trail maintaining club responsible for trail maintenance from Grafton Notch, Maine to Baxter Peak on Mt Katahdin Maine.

In Maine The A. M. C. is responsible for maintaining the section that runs from the Maine -New Hampshire line to Grafton Notch.

Two years ago there was a large bear box in front of the Carlo Col shelter. I did not see it there this past October during the Whiteblaze hike but it may have been moved to the tentsite area.

Trail Runners Would that mean Ridge Runners such as those folks at Gulf Hagas, Abol and Bigelow? Or is this a person trying to traverse to the trail in the shortest time with a lightweight pack or a support system of folks at trail crossings?

Pic suggestion?
Would it be possible to link pictures to the trail terms without going to the entire photo section. In another words have a photo (s) dedicated to the trail term, if there is one ? I should be able to get a good photo of a widowmaker for instance as I have plenty in 'my' section.

Rain Man
03-26-2005, 11:55
Need entries for: Smoky Mountain National Park

I assume this entry would merely refer folks to the correct name/entry, the

GREAT Smoky Mountains National Park?

Rain:sunMan

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SGT Rock
03-26-2005, 14:03
If you do pics, try to limited to links whenever possible, too many pics in one post will cause the post to be rejected.

Mountain Dew
03-27-2005, 05:32
A.T. thru-hiker, a hiker who passes every white blaze from Springer to Mt. K

Purist is NOT somebody that wants EVERYBODY to pass every white blaze. A purist is simply a hiker that believes my first comment is true.

Youngblood
03-28-2005, 11:41
Here are a few definitions from ALDHA's Thru Hiker Companion:

2,000-miler—A hiker who has hiked the entire length of the
Appalachian Trail.

Blue blaze—Blue-colored blaze used to indicate other trails,
side trails to points of interest, and trails to springs, shelters,
or campsites, water sources, or other features that are not
actually on the A.T. Used as a verb (“I decided to blueblaze”),
it denotes hiking side trails or routes other than the
A.T.

Blue-blazer—Hiker who is not committed to passing every
white blaze.

Long-distance hiker (LD hiker)—A hiker on a hike of 50
miles or more.

Purist—A hiker who makes a covenant with him- or herself
prior to the hike and then keeps the covenant during the
entire hike. Most commonly, the covenant is to hike past
every white blaze or to carry a backpack for the entire distance,
or both.

Section-hiker—A hiker who is hiking an entire trail over a
period of years.

Slackpack—Hiking without your pack, which is transported
ahead for pick-up.

Thru-hiker—On the A.T., a hiker who is hiking from Maine
to Georgia or Georgia to Maine in one trip or, generally accepted,
a person who has done same.

Yellow blaze—Term used to denote the yellow center-line
that is painted on a highway.

Yellow-blazer—Someone who hitch hikes around sections
of trail by following yellow blazes.

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I think we should be using ALDHA's definitions instead of definitions that conflict with them. ALDHA, by its very nature, gives legitimacy to its definitions and these are found in the Companion which is carried by long distance hikers... should long distance hikers not trust ALDHA?

Youngblood

max patch
03-28-2005, 12:17
I think we should be using ALDHA's definitions instead of definitions that conflict with them. ALDHA, by its very nature, gives legitimacy to its definitions and these are found in the Companion which is carried by long distance hikers... should long distance hikers not trust ALDHA?

Youngblood

Actually, if the criteria is to be which guidebook is used by most AT thru-hikers then WF's Handbook should be used as the authoritative source. Its interesting that even people who don't like the guy recognize its superiority and use his Handbook instead of the Companion.

Youngblood
03-28-2005, 16:05
Actually, if the criteria is to be which guidebook is used by most AT thru-hikers then WF's Handbook should be used as the authoritative source. Its interesting that even people who don't like the guy recognize its superiority and use his Handbook instead of the Companion.Max,

That is a big IF about which one should be the authoritative source. I don't know which one is used by most AT thru-hikers or if that should be the critera for acceptance. It is a shame that they don't use the same definitions. You and I agree on some things, some things we don't... but I suspect we agree that having these inconsistant definitions is not a good thing and contributes to disagreements that are sometimes difficult to resolve.

ALDHA is what it is and its name pretty much states that: Appalachain Long Distance Hikers Association. Likewise, Wingfoot is what he is: a widely recognized expert on AT thru-hiking. I feel that Wingfoot's Handbook is layed out in a more user friendly format than ALDHA's Companion, but I feel that ALDHA did a better job in its glossary of terms section than Wingfoot. Not only from a consistance standpoint but also in my understanding of what these terms actually mean.

For instance, Wingfoot states in the 2003 Handbook:

Thru-hiker is traditionally a person who is attempting to become a 2,000-Miler is a single, continuous journey by putting on a backpack, leaving from one terminus of the Trail, and hiking essentially unassisted to the other terminus.

Long-distance hiker is a somewhat indeterminate term applied to anyone who is hiking more than a few weeks, and who usually has to resupply at least once during his or her hike; often used interchangeably with the term thru-hiker.

The last two sentences of his 2,000-Miler Requirements paragraph also state: "Is it necessary to be hiking every mile of the A.T. to be considered a thru-hiker? No, but if you want to be recognized as a 2,000 Miler at the end of your hike, you should have hiked every mile."
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So what is thru-hiker according to Wingfoot? Is it anyone who is hiking more than a few weeks, and who usually has to resupply at least once during his or her hike; or is it a white blazing, non-slack packing, non-direction changing purist; or is it someone who didn't necessarily hike every mile of the A.T.? I think Wingfoot contradicts himself and sometimes goes to unreasonable extremes. What do you think? I think we should list ALDHA's definitions and if folks don't think that is fair, then maybe we could list both and indentify from whence they came. For what its worth, these terms are not the only ones from Wingfoot that I think are questionable.

Youngblood

hikerjohnd
03-28-2005, 16:06
What about adding WhiteBlaze items? Example - WB = White Blaze; FSO = From Skin Out.

When I first started posting, it took me a while to understand some of the abbreviations - having them listed somewhere might be helpful to newbies...

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Secondly - I do not support using Wingfoot's definitions. This is not a political decision, but his definitions are 1 man's opinion. It seems that the WB community is deciding on appropriate defininitions and coming to a consensus on which to use. That does not mean that Wingy's definitions should not be considered - they just shouldn't be blindly adopted.

TJ aka Teej
03-28-2005, 23:06
Over two dozen new entries tonight! THANKS!!!
WW - thanks for the defs, and great idea about lexicon specific photos.
Rock - no worries, no pics in the post, just links out to the gallery
Rain Man - at least I spelt smoky right!
Youngblood - I agree that the lexicon produced by the at-l and ALDHA is excellent, and I'm proud to say I helped a bit. But like the one on Rock's site, it includes some 'editorial comments' and attempts at humor. I'm trying to keep this version neutral. But there isn't just one dictionary, and if there's conflict we'll try to add both defs.
Max - If there's a hyperlink to his lexicon, ask him if he wants it mentioned in this article. If there is, and if he does, have him contact me.
hikerjohnd - I added FSO, and agree with your comments.

Rain Man
03-29-2005, 11:38
Rain Man - at least I spelt smoky right!

Not to worry... had you not, I'm sure some one would have pointed it out!!!
:dance
Keep up the good work! I think a glossary is a great idea, if you can avoid the provincialism that creeps into the ATC's glossary.
:)
Rain:sunMan

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greenman
03-29-2005, 15:44
:D :D
NAVY BLAZING isn't when a girl adjusts her hiking speed to match the pace of a guy on the trail. What sense would that make ? It's when a guy matches his pace to hike with another navy guy if you get my drift here.hey dew,
you were in the navy werntcha!
mairnt!!!!

attroll
04-03-2005, 21:45
I think an effort should be made to use the same definitions that ALDHA uses to minimize arguments and misunderstandings. I don't think it is good that hikers, prospective or otherwise, see different definitions in different places.

http://www.aldha.org/companyn/appndx05.pdf

Youngblood
I agree with you Youngblood. But I don't know if that would be considered copying from ALDHA and I would not want to be accused of stealing from them.

attroll
04-03-2005, 22:03
wbdent I don't know what Rock was refering to. But you can keep editing you post TJ. I think that is what he meant by fixing it.

wbdent Also I think he did give you moderator privileges. So I have a suggestion for you. Once you have updated the listing with what users have suggested then you could deleted the suggestion either by doing a soft delete or a Physically Remove Message from the database. This is just a suggestion.

SGT Rock
04-03-2005, 22:13
No, I didn't make him a moderator, I just gave him member status so he could edit his own posts.

TJ aka Teej
04-07-2005, 20:48
Updated today,thanks for all the ideas and help!
Will start to search the WB gallery for photos to link to some of the defs tonight.

Youngblood
04-08-2005, 09:09
Updated today,thanks for all the ideas and help!
Will start to search the WB gallery for photos to link to some of the defs tonight.
TJ,

I didn't see that you changed the definitions of the particular terms that I had brought up in post #11. Was that an oversight or did you decide that wasn't what you wanted to do?

Youngblood

TJ aka Teej
04-08-2005, 16:02
Hi Youngblood,
Thanks for your suggestions, and as noted, it's still a work in progress. I did add a link to the ALDHA glossary, where your list came from, and I'm still working on dozens of other words that have been suggested and/or have recieved comments. I like the ALDHA def for 'slackpack' better than the one still in the WB lexi, so I'll change that one. Still need to compose something neutral for yellow-blazing, still need to post an updated 'please help with these' list, still having fun leafing thru the WB photo album too!

Mountain Dew
04-09-2005, 02:53
tj, "Purist 1. A hiker who wants to pass every white blaze. 2. A hiker who wants others to pass every white blaze." --- Where exactly did you get that BS definition ?

Nightwalker
04-09-2005, 06:11
Secondly - I do not support using Wingfoot's definitions. This is not a political decision, but his definitions are 1 man's opinion. It seems that the WB community is deciding on appropriate defininitions and coming to a consensus on which to use. That does not mean that Wingy's definitions should not be considered - they just shouldn't be blindly adopted.
Thirdly, I don't think that it matters if our definitions are identical to ALDHAs or not. If they have to completely agree, why not just put a link and say "Go here (http://www.aldha.org/companyn/appndx05.pdf) to see what ALDHA says white blaze means" or some such.

There's room for difference. There's room for disagreement. We are a much looser bunch than any other site out there, and our way of putting things may just be different.

Youngblood, I seriously respect your experience and wisdom on many things. I really don't understand this one though. It seems to be a bigger deal to you than it does to anyone else. I'm sorry if that offends, but it isn't meant as an attack, just an observation.

Nightwalker
04-09-2005, 06:21
Lone Wolf, "A fork made Michael Moore a fat ass." ---His response to the thought that guns kill people.
Guns don't kill people. Sleeping beside me in a shelter after I've had a big fat pot of dehydrated re-fried beans and rice, that's what kills people. :D

Youngblood
04-09-2005, 09:55
Thirdly, I don't think that it matters if our definitions are identical to ALDHAs or not. If they have to completely agree, why not just put a link and say "Go here (http://www.aldha.org/companyn/appndx05.pdf) to see what ALDHA says white blaze means" or some such.

There's room for difference. There's room for disagreement. We are a much looser bunch than any other site out there, and our way of putting things may just be different.

Youngblood, I seriously respect your experience and wisdom on many things. I really don't understand this one though. It seems to be a bigger deal to you than it does to anyone else. I'm sorry if that offends, but it isn't meant as an attack, just an observation.Frank,
No offense taken and you are right, I'm making a big deal out of it. Actually, I'm glad you asked. The reason why is because a while back on this web site a thru-hiker was put to the task about what a 2,000-Miler was to the point that he wrote to the ATC to have his name removed from the list. (See this post for the the results: http://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/showthread.php?p=24331#post24331 ) I thought that whole process of degrading his accomplishment of thru-hiking the AT was unjust and uncalled for... I don't want to see it happen again. I think having clear definitions that everyone agrees on is the best hope of preventing this type of incident. Does this help you understand why I am crusading on a seeming meanless issue?

Youngblood

TJ aka Teej
04-09-2005, 11:04
tj, "Purist 1. A hiker who wants to pass every white blaze. 2. A hiker who wants others to pass every white blaze." --- Where exactly did you get that BS definition ?After witnessing arguments at Baxter Park between hikers over who was deserving of a space at the Birches, talking with Park personnel about their reasoning for using 'long-distance' rather than 'thru-hiker' in their rules, participating in many conversations on the Trail and at Gatherings, listening quietly to much gossip, talking with Earl Shaffer about 'purism' before and after his 50th anniversary hike, reading debate and comedy on the at-l when the definition that ended up in the ALDHA Companion was in composition, looking over threads on WB and TP that generated more heat than reason, and considering what 2000 miler Mountain Laurel of the ATC wrote to a hiker about 2000 miler questions, that's what I came up with. Your input is welcome, what would you have written?

TJ aka Teej
04-09-2005, 11:20
I think having clear definitions that everyone agrees on is the best hope of preventing this type of incident. Does this help you understand why I am crusading on a seeming meanless issue?
While it's possible to have clear and agreeded upon definitions for "cliff" and "bandanna", some terms must by nature be more complicated.
I hope that contributers will offer adjustments and additions, that we'll enjoy some debate and comedy, and that we'll have entries that enlighten and inform.

Youngblood
04-09-2005, 11:34
TJ,

I think your recent posts have answered my question "should long distance hikers not trust ALDHA?"... I don't like the answer but thanks anyways.

Youngblood

MOWGLI
04-09-2005, 11:38
I think you're dead on Teej. Anybody who utters the word "cheat" or "cheater" when referring to hiking the AT - IMO falls into category 2 of the definition. There are at least a half dozen folks on this site who meet that criteria.

Smile
04-09-2005, 13:57
Cheaters.......

Don't you need someone ( even yourself) to be keeping score in order to cheat?

Sounds like a thought from the School of Redundancy School to me. :rolleyes:

Nightwalker
04-10-2005, 01:00
Does this help you understand why I am crusading on a seeming meanless issue?
I didn't say that it was meaningless, I don't think. I just said that I didn't get it.

I remember the thread. I thought that the guy writing the ATC and trying to give back his listing was one of the boldest and strongest statements that I've seen. No idea if I agree, however. Really no idea if I would have done the same. :D

Mountain Dew
04-10-2005, 04:53
NOTE: TJ, you start naming off tons of hikers who ARE purist AND agree with that definition you win here..otherwise you simply want your opinion used as the definition in my opinion. No offense meant either.

TJ, "reading debate and comedy on the at-l when the definition that ended up in the ALDHA Companion was in composition" --- That BS you call a definition looks nothing like ALDHA's definition so scratch that reasoning right off the bat here. Secondly... How on earth do you think that all purists believe EVERYBODY should hike as they do ? That's total and utter BS.

You'll probably take offense to this, but I assure you none is entended.... BUT I think your definition of "purist" stems solely on YOUR opinion and feelings towards most purists.

TJ, " talking with Earl Shaffer about 'purism' before and after his 50th anniversary hike" ---You are really implying that he believed in that defintion ? Not saying i know one way or another, but it seems you imply to he'd agree with that BS definition. Something tells me Earl didn't care if a hiker thru-hiked or not.


TJ, "Your input is welcome, what would you have written?," WEll...good question... Something along the lines of ...... A hiker who believes in order to be labeled a "thru-hiker" one must pass every white blaze from Springer to Katahdin.

Before any dolt jumps I honestly don't care how you hike, but I simply believe what I believe and hike how I want to hike.

rickb
04-10-2005, 08:38
Purist:

1. A hiker who wants to pass every white blaze. 2. A hiker who wants others to pass every white blaze

I get it, TJ. Sort of like this definition of a

Christian:

1. A person who recognizes Jesus Christ to be the son of God, and his Lord and Savior. 2. A person who wants everyone else to see Jesus Christ to be the son of God, and our Lord and Savior.

I suppose one could argue a case for all 4 defintions, but somehow I am thinking that there would be more truth if the secondary definitions were left off. After all, adjectives have thier place in our language. Why corrupt meaning of a very simple term with one's own prejudice and agenda?

MOWGLI
04-10-2005, 09:09
Something tells me Earl didn't care if a hiker thru-hiked or not.




Didn't Earl label Grandma Gatewood a "fraud"?

Youngblood
04-10-2005, 10:13
... Why corrupt meaning of a very simple term with one's own prejudice and agenda?
Very wisely put and precisely why I like ALDHA's definitions versus Wingfoot's definitions.

Youngblood

Rain Man
04-10-2005, 10:29
1. A person who recognizes Jesus Christ to be the son of God, and his Lord and Savior. 2. A person who wants everyone else to see Jesus Christ to be the son of God, and our Lord and Savior.

I suppose one could argue a case for all 4 defintions, but somehow I am thinking that there would be more truth if the secondary definitions were left off....

Dang, I think you've done gone and communed with God!!!!!

Now, back to AT hiking,-- I agree that a purist is not someone who dwells on how others should or should not be hiking their hikes. Not sure what a purist is, but it heck fire sure ain't someone who tells me how to hike my hike. After all, now back to the Bible, doesn't it COMMAND,... "work out YOUR OWN salvation"???
:D
Rain:sunMan

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TJ aka Teej
04-10-2005, 23:21
How on earth do you think that all purists believe EVERYBODY should hike as they do ?
That's not what the listing says at all, MD. I didn't word it to say 'a purist is a hiker who want to pass every white blaze AND who wants everyone else to do the same.' There are many kinds of purists, and I think the two defs I wrote cover the main two types while being neutral in the 'this hike is better than that hike' debate. As a section hiker, whether AT, LT, or IAT, I want to pass every blaze in the section I'm hiking, right down to in and outs to shelters, adding most side trails to views or water, and even coming back to the same spot on the trail I stepped off of to go pick blueberries. But that's just me. I think the first def covers hikers like me. There are also hikers who loudly advocate purism. They're covered by def number 2.

Mowgli Yes, Earl had a strong opinon about Grandma. Earl also missed a bit of Trail on his first hike. Does that lessen the value of his acomplishment? Not by my lights.

Rick - "Why corrupt meaning of a very simple term with one's own prejudice and agenda?" Yikes! And I thought I was being neutral..

Frank, Smile, Rain Man thanks for your posts.

Youngblood
04-11-2005, 10:10
TJ,

I seriously disagree with Dew on some of these fundamental definitions, but not on this one. I think there is confusion as to whether you are caught up trying to define a white blaze purists with an attitude or just a hiker with a belief of the proper way to hike the AT. Purists are basically committed to hiking with no room for compromise in some particular way... usually it is white blazing but it doesn't have to be that, it can about carrying a backpack or never sleeping with a roof over their head, never using a mail drop, etc... it can even be combinations of some of these things. In one sense, Purist just means consistancy or dedication in the way one goes about their hike-- it isn't about judgement of how others hike their hikes. The judgement thing is about attitude or belief, and you don't have to be a purist or a hiker to have an attitude or belief. And I understand that your definition does not precisely say that, but it can easily be interpeted to imply that... way too easily.

Youngblood

The Old Fhart
04-11-2005, 13:11
Anyone who has hiked with me knows I consider myself a purist but it looks like my definition is way different than many that are being presented here. As opposed to some of the somewhat zealous and dogmatic views here, I take the existential approach. Rickboudrie used a religious analogy that I really like and makes it clearer.
Christian 1. A person who recognizes Jesus Christ to be the son of God, and his Lord and Savior. 2. A person who wants everyone else to see Jesus Christ to be the son of God, and our Lord and Savior. Part 1 of the definition defines the believer as a Christian but adding part 2 defines the believer as dogmatic and having an unChristian attitude toward others, which I consider offensive. Rick’s suggestion at dropping part 2 of the definition makes the definition something that a Christian existentialist like Sǿren Kierkegaard would have been proud of. Likewise, you should drop the 2nd part of the purist definition (2. A hiker who wants others to pass every white blaze) for the same reason.

Keep in mind that if the philosophical (and legal) way someone else hikes the trail affects you, you are the one with the problem, not them. I’m also convinced, and have mentioned this before, that I believe even the most careful “purist” will accidentally miss some small piece of the A.T. in 2170 miles. I had found at least 3 spots where there were two trail sections where both were white blazed and I’m sure there have to be more. An obvious spot is the Lemon Squeezer in NY and that is mentioned in the guidebooks.

I also hiked for a few days with a husband and wife that had a vehicle and one would slackpack one day while the other drove around, then the next day they would switch. They leapfrogged the entire A.T. and were open about the way they were doing their hike. I don’t know if they applied as 2000 milers or not, or if the ATC cut one patch in half and gave each of them half but that was their business and it didn’t affect me in the least. Likewise, the fact that about 85% of the hikers (including Bryson) who start the A.T. don’t finish doesn’t offend me and I applaud them for trying. The section hikers, day hikers, joggers, geocachers, hunters, tourists, etc., are all people who are out there enjoying the outdoors in their own individual ways and the ones I meet are all a part of my A.T. experience.

One last thought, just like Christians, thru-hikers aren’t perfect either, only forgiving. Go out and HYOH, let others HTOH (hike their own hike), and enjoy the trail. :sun

Jack Tarlin
04-12-2005, 13:29
Teej:

I have always felt that a purist was one who insisted on hiking the Trail in its entirety, and doesn't skip anything.

Where there are different types of purist, such as those who won't slackpack, or who insist on always going in the same direction, etc., the term as I have come to know it almost invariably refers to someone who has set a personal goal of hiking the A.T. in its entirety without skipping anything.

And while there are a few obnoxious people who, either in personal conversations or register entries might make negative comments about what other folks are doing and how they're hiking, most purists really don't care what other folks are doing. They might care about folks who blatantly lie about having hiked the Trail in order to get cited and recognized as a thru-hiker by the ATC, (and yes, Mowgli, these folks ARE indeed cheaters, regardless of what you think), but for Teej to say flat out that all purists
think that everyone should hike the way the do is simply untrue.

The vast majority of purists think folks should hike any way they damn well please, but they also think that folks should be honest about what they're doing while they're hiking, and that they remain honest about it after their trip is over.

MOWGLI
04-12-2005, 13:40
They might care about folks who blatantly lie about having hiked the Trail in order to get cited and recognized as a thru-hiker by the ATC, (and yes, Mowgli, these folks ARE indeed cheaters, regardless of what you think), but for Teej to say flat out that all purists
think that everyone should hike the way the do is simply untrue.



A couple things Jack. I disagree that someone who lies about a hike to obtain a patch is a "cheater". I think that a "liar" would be a more accurate term. Yeah I know - semantics.

"Cheater" suggests (to me anyway) some sort of competitive activity is taking place. It also suggests that someone has been cheated. Who exactly is being cheated by someone lying about a hike on a recreational trail? Certainly not me. Maybe the individual who is lying is actually being cheated?? I donno.

Also, Teej never suggested that "all purists think that everyone should hike the way the(y) do."

Hey, have a great hike Jack. I hear you're setting out agin in a few days.

TJ aka Teej
04-12-2005, 13:55
...for Teej to say flat out that all purists
think that everyone should hike the way the do is simply untrue.
Didn't say that. I wrote two defs for the word. Following form, I put the most accepted def first, and placed the alternate second. I will admit, that I feel some negative feedback doesn't prove what I wrote is incorrect, just that it's uncomfortable. Jack, certainly few people have had more interaction with hikers on the AT over the past several years than you. Perhaps my hearing so much 'testiness' over purism in recent years in Maine and at Baxter influenced my wording. I'd really like to see what you'd propose as an improvement on my offering.

TJ aka Teej
04-12-2005, 13:59
I disagree that someone who lies about a hike to obtain a patch is a "cheater". I think that a "liar" would be a more accurate term. Yeah I know - semantics.
Earl said something like 'Hike your own hike, just don't lie about it' to me when we spoke once about the ATC and the rocker. Smart guy.

Rain Man
04-12-2005, 19:12
If this hasn't already been suggested, then I suggest adding "hiker trash" to the terms and slang definition list.

Just don't ask me what the definition is, 'cause I don't really know!

Rain:sunMan

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rickb
04-12-2005, 19:21
TJ won't modify his Purist definition, even though it's just plain wrong.

He is drunk with power. :D

TJ aka Teej
04-12-2005, 23:54
Rain Man - Not with a ten foot pole!!
Rick - Maybe I'll just put a link to the "Define Purist" thread!

Nightwalker
04-13-2005, 00:54
If this hasn't already been suggested, then I suggest adding "hiker trash" to the terms and slang definition list.

Just don't ask me what the definition is, 'cause I don't really know!

Rain:sunMan
I'll give it a shot, and I will guarantee that I'll be disagreed with by some or many. Either, way, you'll have one view to get this started. I'll bet it won't be the last.

My name is Frank Looper, and I'm proud to identify myself as Hiker Trash. Those who use it as an insult don't know me or us, and don't know why many of us grin at the label.

I don't "like" to hike, I have to hike. Without it I might as well be dead or wearing a suit or something else equally awful. The real world doesn't understand me, and probably doesn't care to. I could never keep a "real" job, because that would involve staying off of the trail for all but a couple of weeks per year, and that'll never happen.

I live very cheaply on the trail. Partly out of necessity, partly because I can, and partly because I want to. It's something I take pride in. I can live for a lot less on the trail than inside back at home.

I ransack hiker boxes. I take equipment that other folks don't want--if it works for me. I love the yuppie hikers who get me all those great deals in January. I buy everything out of season because it's much cheaper, and I then have more to use to live on the trail.

My house came on wheels, and my cars are always cheap, though neither of those is required for qualification. I have a really good pack and sleeping bag, but everything else is up for negotiation.

Even though I argue around a lot with my fellows on here, out there I'm happy and don't have to argue my points. You hike your hike and I'll hike mine. I'm not illiterate, I'm not stupid, and I'm no crazier than most, though if someone wants to disagree with all three of those just by looking at my nappy old self in the Ingles when I just came out of the woods, that's okay.

I'm The Nightwalker, and I'm Hiker Trash. I hold my head up high when I say that, and no one can use it to make me feel ashamed. Some of the best people that I know share the label, and I'm proud to follow in their much-worn footsteps.

Your move. :D

saimyoji
04-13-2005, 22:52
It may already be on the list, but isn't there a name for those step ladders that are used to get over the fences that surround grazing fields?

saimyoji
04-13-2005, 23:35
green blazin': hiking stoned?

Photofanatic
04-26-2007, 10:33
It may already be on the list, but isn't there a name for those step ladders that are used to get over the fences that surround grazing fields?

Stile is the designated name for the fence crossings.

spittinpigeon
04-26-2007, 11:02
green blazin': hiking stoned?

My definition for green blazing, is when you're shortcutting on a dirt road, that has neither blue blazes, or yellow blazes, (yellow and blue make green) An example of this would be in CT, just north of Kent. If you're coming south into kent, on the nice 5 mile straight part next to the Housatonic. It cuts uphill to the right, but if you go straight on the dirt road, it takes you right outside of town.

spittinpigeon
04-26-2007, 11:03
MANDEX: What spandex is called when men wear it.
MANDEX, wear it like a woman!

Wanderingson
04-27-2007, 03:32
DNA--DeNatured Alcohol

Kerby
04-30-2007, 15:22
Purist-hiker that doesn't know how to read a map.

Appalachian Tater
11-27-2007, 01:46
NOBO is on the list but SOBO isn't.

Dakota Dan
11-27-2007, 02:13
You left out a word I heard on the trail back in 76.

"Casing"


Example: "You boys help me change this casing and I'll give yall a lift into town."


A farmer in VA asking us to help change a tractor tire or "casing".

Our reply: No thanks, we enjoy walking.

bowmankenw
01-27-2008, 02:16
When I need to know the definition of a word I go to my Funk and Wagnles Dictionary. Actually I go to Webster’s Dictionary or www.webster.com (http://www.webster.com/) but I like saying Funk and Wagnles because it’s a lot funnier.

I looked up thru-hiker in Webster’s but it wasn’t there.

<O:pMaybe the author of this site could present these hiker words that are in contention to the people at Webster who decide which words go into the dictionary and how those words should be defined. I think they know more about how to do it than I do. Call me a [dictionary] purist if you like, I don’t care.

<O:pAt least then we could look it up as we do with other words.

<O:pYes, I think the definition of these hiker words are important so that we all know what we are talking about. So that we are all on the same page.

<O:pI consider myself a thru-hiker although I didn’t make it all the way, although I certainly did plan to. I don’t call myself a 2000 miler because I didn’t make all the way. If the definitions of these words are not as I know them to be then I’ll change how I use the terms.

<O:pIn the mean time I’m going hiking and not worry about it.

<O:pInTents<O:p

Tweeger
02-07-2008, 10:01
Years ago I read in some trail magazine a disparging article about hikers who like to sleep late and only rise when the sun is warm: a Crack O'Nooner.

The disparaging tone took me by surprise. For why does one seek out the solitude of the forest? To hike an ungodly number of miles each day? To rush up and down the mountains without stopping to smell the rocks? To pack in with you all the hustle and bustle you were trying to get away from in the first place, then pack out the blisters and the muscle pains?

Or is it to sit back and enjoy the fine, fine view for another five minutes, another hour, or another night? To carry a few beers and welcome the thought that you'll hike a few fewer miles each day because of the added weight? To take the time to build a decent fire you can be comfortable by, then stay up late and swap tales in its warm light until you're so tired that you sleep well past the dawn?

You choose. But please, don't wake me up to tell me your answer until at least noon.

- Tweeger

ofthearth
02-11-2008, 11:03
Years ago I read in some trail magazine a disparging article about hikers who like to sleep late and only rise when the sun is warm: a Crack O'Nooner.

The disparaging tone took me by surprise. For why does one seek out the solitude of the forest? To hike an ungodly number of miles each day? To rush up and down the mountains without stopping to smell the rocks? To pack in with you all the hustle and bustle you were trying to get away from in the first place, then pack out the blisters and the muscle pains?

Or is it to sit back and enjoy the fine, fine view for another five minutes, another hour, or another night? To carry a few beers and welcome the thought that you'll hike a few fewer miles each day because of the added weight? To take the time to build a decent fire you can be comfortable by, then stay up late and swap tales in its warm light until you're so tired that you sleep well past the dawn?

You choose. But please, don't wake me up to tell me your answer until at least noon.

- Tweeger

I think after reading your post we need another term. UNUL - unultralite and you have kindly provided the definition. I think I might even change my trail name;) And if I wait till after noon, and don't ask to borrow your map..... can I have a beer. Enjoyed the post:)

fiddlehead
02-11-2008, 11:23
Love it when i see the OP's (and many others) 10 essentials include sunglasses and sunscreen but not sleeping bag or tent.

Spock
02-26-2008, 23:28
I've heard folks refer to "wilderlings" instead of outdoors persons. Here is a suggestion - but maybe too long:

wilderling noun 1) A person with advanced skills who travels in wild lands. 2) the alternative to “outdoorsman” or, worse, “outdoors person” either of which is defined by the doors or sides of houses, as when one goes outside. “Outdoors” and “outside” define the infinite, major part of the universe by reference to the sides and doors of houses. A little reflection should impress anyone with the unfathomable, arrogant stupidity inherent in such terms as “outdoors”, “outside” and their correlates.

Wilson
02-26-2008, 23:42
Love it when i see the OP's (and many others) 10 essentials include sunglasses and sunscreen but not sleeping bag or tent.

Whats a OP? Its not on the list.

Erin
02-26-2008, 23:48
Trail Candy:term for good looking man or woman:)

Lung Break: what we called a break on the big up hills

Nasty Bag: the bag with the carry out used stuff:eek:

_terrapin_
02-27-2008, 00:41
Whats a OP? Its not on the list.

original poster -- the person that started the thread. (not an A.T. term -- useful on any internet discussion group)

Tweeger
11-20-2008, 21:46
Years ago I read in some trail magazine a disparging article about hikers who like to sleep late and only rise when the sun is warm: a Crack O'Nooner.
I think after reading your post we need another term. UNUL - unultralite and you have kindly provided the definition. I think I might even change my trail name;) And if I wait till after noon, and don't ask to borrow your map..... can I have a beer. Enjoyed the post:)

Sure you can have a beer! Pull up a rock and set a spell.

Thinking about it, perhaps I should add my trail name, Tweeger, to the slang list. A Tweeger is, of course, one who Tweegs. That immediately raises the question: What is a Tweeg? It's a certain kind of hiking trip, typically replete with Crack O'Nooners. Here's a link to a piece of thinly-veiled fiction I originally wrote for a writing contest (which I lost). It's about a pack of Tweegers on one particularly-fun Tweeg along the Appalachian Trail in Pennsylvania - celebrating New Year's Eve! http://www.tinyurl.com/AppalachianTrailStory.

Enjoy!

- Tweeger

Spider
11-30-2008, 11:58
What does SOBO mean?

_terrapin_
11-30-2008, 13:07
What does SOBO mean?

southbound

joshua5878
12-01-2008, 13:03
I have seen the term "Camel Up" in reference to drinking water. What does this mean? Thanks in advance!

Lone Wolf
12-01-2008, 13:13
I have seen the term "Camel Up" in reference to drinking water. What does this mean? Thanks in advance!

it means drink a buttload of water at the source until you're full up then hike

joshua5878
12-01-2008, 13:16
Thanks!

Spogatz
12-01-2008, 15:42
SoBo sounds like one of those Sobee drinks....

mudhead
12-02-2008, 09:10
Makes me think of Daisy Duke.(s)

Sir-Packs-Alot
12-14-2009, 03:02
Beta - information, insight, mileage and / or elevations & statistics

Bryce
12-14-2009, 22:29
I want to offer the term "Sherpa" as someone who is carrying way too much gear.and other stuff.

BrianLe
12-14-2009, 23:30
"it means drink a buttload of water at the source until you're full up then hike "

On the PCT we used the paired terms "Camel up" and "Tank up", the latter being to fill every (well, within reason ...) water container you have. Typically at the places you would tank up, you would also camel up.

Nizhoni
01-14-2011, 20:43
What does seam seal mean??

Luddite
01-14-2011, 20:56
What does seam seal mean??

I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not...

Some shelters aren't waterproof when you buy them so you get sil net or something similar and you brush it on the seams of your shelter.

Nizhoni
02-13-2011, 23:05
I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not...

Some shelters aren't waterproof when you buy them so you get sil net or something similar and you brush it on the seams of your shelter.


Thank you! How can you tell if you need to seal your shelter? Will it say that it is not waterproof or is it just best to assume that all shelters need it done? :-?

LordoftheWings
02-14-2011, 02:38
I know I'm probably going to get flamed for this, but here an idea:

One of the biggest problems throughout the fire/wildland service was communications. Terminology was certainly a part of that issue. In recent times Nationally accepted and recognized terms have come into use. Would it be wise to maybe incorporate some of those terms into use for the users of those areas of danger? Example:

Snag

A standing dead tree or part of a dead tree from which at least the leaves and smaller branches have fallen. Often called a stub, if less than 20 feet tall.

http://www.nwcg.gov/pms/pubs/glossary/index.htm

Just an idea.

CrumbSnatcher
02-14-2011, 11:41
brown blazing- hiking old AT sections that are not blueblazed. you can barely see the old white blaze as its faded/fading away.

Hymnsinger
02-19-2011, 00:42
Red Flag or Red Flag Warning - Weather/forestry term to indicate high fire danger/no burn days. No campfires on a red flag day!

SawnieRobertson
02-19-2011, 19:35
tj, "Purist 1. A hiker who wants to pass every white blaze. 2. A hiker who wants others to pass every white blaze." --- Where exactly did you get that BS definition ?

Maybe he got it from his brain as a result of observing the way that a few have the hubris to judge the hikes of others who have met their own guideline, like to walk the whole way from Georgia to Maine along the Appalachian Trail, period. Contentious, ridiculous, pompous . . . . Shall I go on?--Kinnickinic