New UL/SUL packs out !!!

[left52side]

Just figured some of you might be interested and had possibly not heard of these yet as they have just came out within the last few weeks.
They are designed and made by Andrew Bentz and John Zahorian...
http://www.palantepacks.com/

[Venchka]

Many, maybe all, packs could benefit from the use of X-Pac material. The rest of the information is of questionable value to most people. A lot of marketing speak.
Wayne


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[CarlZ993]

Looks like a clone of the old Ray Jardine pack put out by GoLite many years ago. Mine is still gathering dust in my garage (never used).

[Dogwood]

You can tell a lot about a pack's design by getting to know the designer... a FKTer's mindset...and their obvious primarily targeted markets. Going to garner some attention by those who consider themselves hardcore UL saying " is designed for the truly ultralight hiker."

[left52side]

You can tell a lot about a pack's design by getting to know the designer... a FKTer's mindset...and their obvious primarily targeted markets. Going to garner some attention by those who consider themselves hardcore UL saying " is designed for the truly ultralight hiker."

I agree Dogwood and think both the people behind these packs have quite the accomplishments thus far and still continuing with sub 7 lb base weights.
I myself dont see myself with any long distance FKTer in the near future as I am still A 20 MPD or so fella and still floating around 10 lbs for three season base weight.
I do however go out for some week long trips where I go SUL with A sub 7 lb base weight and even in right conditions sub 5.
But for A long term long distance pack I just think this is to minimal for myself.

[Wil]

Looks like a clone of the old Ray Jardine pack put out by GoLite many years ago. Mine is still gathering dust in my garage (never used).

Is this the Breeze 2nd iteration with the beefed up netting and shoulder padding? Has it been shielded from sun damage? If so would you consider stuffing it into a big mailing envelope to me for a few bucks? Let me know how much.

I know it fits into a typical tyvek mailing envelope if you roll it up tight.

Thanks.

[1azarus]

I must be their target market... I feel my hand reaching for my back pocket... I hadn't heard of x-pac material.

[MuddyWaters]

Xpac has been around
Chris Zimmer has been making packs with it for years

Its semi-waterproof. Hydrostatic head rating is very low, something like 200 psi I recall.

I like the sizes.
Rather small, a bit larger

Pricey

For anyone that dont know, Andrew Bentz set new speed record on JMT a couple years ago. He and his dad were members on bpl at time. May still be, but site traffic dropped so low after changes over there I rarely look at it now.

[cmoulder]

I have similar packs already, a MLD Core (28l) and a Zpacks Zero (36l, cuben/poly hybrid, with water bottle pockets and front mesh) and have used them a few times for 2-3 day trips. I consider them 'specialist' packs for "below UL" (under 8lb base weight) or "SUL-ish" (a bit over 5 lb base).

I've got to say, it really is liberating to carry a very light pack when the conditions are right and with a carefully and thoughtfully selected kit of gear, AND with the requisite skill set to make it all work.

However, I am a hip belt person, even with a daypack, and even with the Core or the Zero carrying minimal or no weight on the hips it counters the annoying sway and bounce I get without a hip belt. However, the "hip belts" on the Core and Zero are simple webbing, not wide, padded belts, which are simply not needed with total pack weights of 11-14 lb.

And of course the usual discussion about the black art of packing frameless packs.

[Malto]

You can tell a lot about a pack's design by getting to know the designer... a FKTer's mindset...and their obvious primarily targeted markets. Going to garner some attention by those who consider themselves hardcore UL saying " is designed for the truly ultralight hiker."

both John and Andrew are very experienced in the sweet spot that this pack was designed for. It looks an awe full like a Burn.

[SWODaddy]

Its semi-waterproof. Hydrostatic head rating is very low, something like 200 psi I recall.

You're confusing PSI with hydrostatic head. The hydrostatic head required to generate 200psi would be incredible. X-pac is very waterproof.

[SWODaddy]

200PSI would require a 461' hydrostatic head, or 140,512mm

[MuddyWaters]

200PSI would require a 461' hydrostatic head, or 140,512mm

Thats right
140m * 1000 mm/m = 140,000mm

• Anleitungen

X-Pac VX03, backpack-laminate, 140g/sqm Product no.: 71230

23,90 EUR /meter 19 % VAT incl., excl. Shipping costs

Usage Ultralight Bags/backpacks

Extra ligthweight version of the X-Pac fabric by Dimension-Polyant. Its multilayer-costruction combines several properties: durable and lightweight 30/40den-ripstop-nylon on the outside, a thin layer of nylon on the inside and strong dacron-fibers inbetween. This makes the fabric very tear-resistant, 100% waterproof and gives it a very good structural stabilty. The dacron-fibers give the fabric its typical diamond-shaped structure. With the white inside it is easy to search the content of your backpack. Ideal for lightweight to ultralightweight backpacks, bags, luggage etc..
Properties: 30/40den-ripstop-nylon/Dacron-laminate, impregnated, waterproof, distance of the dacron fibers is 10-15mm, distance of the ripstop app. 4x6mm
Hydrostatic head: app. 140 m
Weight: app. 140 g/sq

Standard X-Pac™ Laminated Ripstop Fabric - Black Fabric Part Number : VX07-Black Samples Available Below, Roll Size : yard roll Coating : PET Film Waterproof Resistance : Waterproof to some degree Durable Water Repellent Finish : Yes Breathability : None Breathability The Breathability of a fabric measures the ability of the fabric to allow water vapor to move through the fabric. Measured in grams of water per square meter of fabric per 24 hour period. Sales Unit: Linear Yard Pantone Color : 19-0303 TPX Nominal Fabric Width : 54 inch (137cm) Nominal Fabric Thickness : Nominal Shipping Weight : 9.9 oz per Linear Yard Nominal Shipping Weight The Nominal Shipping Weight describes the weight of the item per Shipping Unit, and accounts for the width of the fabric, packaging or unusual size issues. See Nominal Fabric Weight for a measurement of the weight of the item in oz per square yard.Stock Availability : Special Order item Stock Availability The Stock Availability describes the ability to reorder or restock the item. Standard Item This item is generally in stock, or available in 3-5 days if we temporarily are out. Limited Quantities This item was bought as a close-out, manufacturer's over-run or in some other fashion which makes re-ordering this item not likely. Discontinued Item This item has been discontinued by either us or the manufacturer and we will not be re-stocking it. Special Order This item is generally not stocked but is available in 3-5 days for off-the-shelf items, to 3 weeks for printed fabrics, to 10 weeks for customer made or dyed fabrics.. Quantity Available: 54.9 yards Nominal Fabric Weight : 5 oz per sq yard Nominal Fabric Weight in GSM To convert oz/sq yard to gm/sq m, multiply by 33.906Care Instructions : X-PAC-Care Suggested Needle : Jeans 100/16 Suggested Thread : Bonded Nylon or all Polyester, T14 to T45 VX07, also known as Standard X-Pac™ laminated fabric, is the most popular lightweight high performance pack material. The combination of X-Pac™ Ripstop Polyester, Hydro State waterproof construction technology, and 70 denier nylon fabric face provides an ideal balance of weight and durability. Weight Tear Strength Waterproof 5 oz/sq yd 11.2 lbs 9.4 lbs >200 psi 162.7 g/sq m 49.8 N 41.8 N >13.8 bar

Standard X-Pac™ Laminated Ripstop Fabric - Black

[SWODaddy]

Thats right
140m * 1000 mm/m = 140,000mm

I've been doing a lot of research. I'd really like to get a Seek Outside "Divide" pack which is made from the material. I have heard that of some people having wear issues with x-pac, but nothing definitive. Mystery Ranch was using it for a bit, and then stopped all of a sudden.

[Venchka]

The Bikepacking world has adopted X-PAC material in a big way. Ask finishers of the Tour Divide how the X-PAC products hold up.
Wayne


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[scrabbler]

I have a Jardine pack, and I've used it enough to know that claims of being able to "breath easier" due to no hip belt and also "cooler" are complete bull***** marketing. Those style packs are light though, and do have their place. But those claims are ridiculous.

[Wil]

I have a Jardine pack, and I've used it enough to know that claims of being able to "breath easier" due to no hip belt and also "cooler" are complete bull***** marketing. Those style packs are light though, and do have their place. But those claims are ridiculous.

I have the original Jardine Breeze pack. I've used it enough (probably 300 nights+) to know that the claims of being able to breather easier due to no hip belt are completely accurate, for me. I've noticed nothing and never thought about the "cooler" issue.

They do have their place. I use mine for quick overnights and up to 30 day trips (with resupply). I just finished 10 days in the Wind River Range with no resupply. The only time I use anything else is for Winter trips.

[Dogwood]

Xpac is also used for bike panniers. See it a lot on touring bikes. Once used for strong sailcloth until lighter fabrics emerged.

[Dogwood]

I have the original Jardine Breeze pack. I've used it enough (probably 300 nights+) to know that the claims of being able to breather easier due to no hip belt are completely accurate, for me. I've noticed nothing and never thought about the "cooler" issue...

FWIW, with light sub 15 lb loads I definitely find not having a hip belt "cooler." I'll undue mine on packs like they ULA CDT occasionally with all the load on my shoulders for just such a reason...to cool off...ventilate. However, although to a slightly lesser degree, the same can be said with webbing only hip belts.

[Wolf - 23000]

Seems way over price and not really UL. The Sea-to-Summit pack I used to thru-hike the Colorado Trail was nearly 11 oz lighter that this pack and $180 cheaper. Does it really make sense to spend more money on a pack that is heavier when the goal is to try to go UL? Doesn't make sense to me?

Wolf