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    Quote Originally Posted by Runner2017 View Post
    What about 500 years ago when guys such as Columbus and Magellen sailed into vast unknown seas without even a map?

    Magellan famously said "It's necessary to adventure. It's not necessary to live."
    Well nearly everyone in Magellan's expedition, including Magellan, died, and they didn't have cell phone service. Coincidence???

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    Unfortunately we here in Austria are moving in a similar direction when it comes to outdoor activities to pupils/students.
    While there are very strict rules for any class-wide outdoor happening like the annual hiking day down to the sad fact that most teachers/directors won't take the hassle any more to organize one, there are no limits to rent out the whole happening to a dediacted outdoor company, and that's where things seem to be going: Hand over the activity to a dedicated company, which has an insurance, and takes the money from the parents. Lots of money, btw.
    And as I happen to know most staff of the local outdoor companies personally from my former climbing career I can state that they won't do any better that the teachers would, especially they won't care about most of the restrictions teachers would have to follow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Runner2017 View Post
    What about 500 years ago when guys such as Columbus and Magellen sailed into vast unknown seas without even a map?

    Magellan famously said "It's necessary to adventure. It's not necessary to live."
    If I recall correctly, Magellan was killed during his voyage in a battle with natives of what is now part of the Philippines. So there are risks...
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    I wonder if there was some incident or injury that cost the school money precipitating this rationale and subsequent decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kolokolo View Post
    If I recall correctly, Magellan was killed during his voyage in a battle with natives of what is now part of the Philippines. So there are risks...
    maybe, but that’s old world stuff, if he would’ve had some mike & Ike’s or twizzlers with em, that would’ve never happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rocketsocks View Post
    maybe, but that’s old world stuff, if he would’ve had some mike & Ike’s or twizzlers with em, that would’ve never happened.
    That's it! Just make sure the Penn State hiking club always has Twizzlers!
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    Bunch of lawyers sitting in a room somewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmoulder View Post
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    Comedy gold: "Penn State conducted a “proactive risk assessment” not based on any previous participant injuries, according to Powers. She said Outing Club activities were rated high risk because they take place in remote environments with poor cell service and distance from emergency services."

    It seems that folks have a short memory............but I would bet, that the Insurance Companies do not.



    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/24/u...niversity.html

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    they must've been in the widowmakers thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Odd Man Out View Post
    Well nearly everyone in Magellan's expedition, including Magellan, died, and they didn't have cell phone service. Coincidence???
    He died because he got himself into a fight with locals on an island.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Runner2017 View Post
    He died because he got himself into a fight with locals on an island.
    You have to admit, that absolutely sounds like something Penn State students would do.
    Colorless green ideas sleep furiously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rocketsocks View Post
    maybe, but that’s old world stuff, if he would’ve had some mike & Ike’s or twizzlers with em, that would’ve never happened.
    And both good PA made choices, too...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Runner2017 View Post
    He died because he got himself into a fight with locals on an island.
    He didn't bring enough beads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kolokolo View Post
    That's it! Just make sure the Penn State hiking club always has Twizzlers!
    I take take care of that!
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    Pretty sure Penn is still paying for the coaching staff's crimes, and will be for quite some time....
    Let's head for the roundhouse; they can't corner us there!

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    Outing club is NOT disbanding. Update posted to
    http://sites.psu.edu/outingclub/

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    Quote Originally Posted by ki0eh View Post
    Outing club is NOT disbanding. Update posted to
    http://sites.psu.edu/outingclub/
    They had to agree not to make trips into the woods in order to keep from disbanding!! They can meet, and talk, and whatever.... but no walking into the dangerous forest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Runner2017 View Post
    What about 500 years ago when guys such as Columbus and Magellen sailed into vast unknown seas without even a map?
    May I recommend a little reading on the subject? For instance "1421 - The Year the Chinese Discovered America."

    Columbus and Magellen most certainly had maps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rain Man View Post
    May I recommend a little reading on the subject? For instance "1421 - The Year the Chinese Discovered America."

    Columbus and Magellen most certainly had maps.
    Read the book, and followed up. Iffy source at best. Columbus, (terrible person, bad geographer and administrator, excellent sea captain) however, having been to Iceland, almost certainly knew America was there, and failed to avoid getting there.
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    I suppose it would be too much to expect for the club to just break ties with the university.
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