Violence at the 4 Pines Hostel

**Blue Jay** · 07-03-2003, 07:37

Popsicle, if it is any consolation, next year (or any year) my girlfriend and I would be honored if we could escort you for the remaining sections that you missed. We are both formidable and you can be assured no one would bother you in any way. Your attitude is inspirational.

**TedB** · 07-03-2003, 10:54

Popsicle, thank you for your calm headed and detailed explanation of the events that took place. And good job working with the legal system to bring this criminal to justice. I hope that over time, the positive aspects of the trail come to have more meaning for you than the trouble you went through. As Blue Jay said your attitude is inspirational.

**Footnotes** · 07-03-2003, 17:07

Thanks for following this through to the end. I know it must have been very inconvenient for you to return to the trial. I think you have done the trail a big service.

Thank you for the update also. It said everything that needed saying. I must admit that hikers whose past opinions and posts I very much respected surprised me with their comments on this incident. I hope that you are able to deal with it in a way that will allow you to return to the trail if you so desire. Good Luck.
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**jensine** · 07-04-2003, 12:38

This is a very sad situation for the victims. I can't help but add that for 18 years as the owners of Rainbow Springs Campground we were labeled as narcs, etc., etc., and alot of hikers were told not to stay with us because we had the "no alcohol, no drugs"
policy. It's a shame that more hostel owners don't take this stance, before it gets this far. Perhaps in the future more hikers will say good things about businesses that enforce a no alcohol, no drug policy. No, we are not prudes, and yes we do have a beer or cocktail. But we did find that alcohol and hiking just didn't mix.

**Chappy** · 07-09-2003, 00:22

Well Easy Hiker...you've heard from the victim. Whatcha got to say now?

**jojo0425** · 07-09-2003, 09:50

Popsicle,

Thank you for your eloquent response. I hope you regroup and get back out on the trail soon.

Iceman,

Yes, the A.T. provides an escape from the "real" world. I go out, to get away from clients, pressures and stress. I also go out because I love nature. The A.T. was concieved as an escape for the working man, that is its purpose. But as you said, this does not mean we forget that we are humans and that there are laws.

Easyhiker,

I can't help but comment on something you wrote about if Popsicle has stayed quiet like the other woman, she would not have been attacked.

So, women have to remain silent or be hit, now is it? Come on, give me a break. Which century do you hail from?

In 9 days, I'll be on and around the Trail for a week. I was so looking forward to my trip, still am, but am a little more weary. Now I have lions, tigers, bears and drunken b--tards to watch out for. (or at least ticks, biting flies, mice and drunken b--tards)

Last summer I took my first steps on the A.T. I hiked with two other female friends and we met so many nice, great, wonderful people on the trail. It was a memorable hike. I hope to have the same experince this summer. I hope that this forum reminds us all how important it is to respect one another and to watch out for each other. Make sure your hiking buddy is safe, make sure he/she is respectful, be respectful yourself, enjoy the company of others and make it a goal to leave 1. a positive attitude and 2. only your footprints.

Happy Hiking to all

**Tramper Al** · 07-11-2003, 15:39

Popsicle, you rock.
You have made the trail a better place for all.

**Lugnut** · 07-16-2003, 00:56

Wow! Coherent sentences. There really is someone home.

The northwoods sound like "home" to you. Have fun. Check in.

**meBrad** · 07-16-2003, 08:54

I have come to understand that my participation in this forum is counter productive. In an attempt to ammend this I am deleting my posts and have requested to have my account deleted

**smokymtnsteve** · 07-16-2003, 14:20

"I wished I LOVED human race...I wished I loved it's UGLY FACE"

Edward Abbey......

and looks like we have seen the worse ugly Face....

hang in there popsicle...

easy hiker ....you need to be in a mental hospital not work in one...you have to be able to help yourself before you can help others.

peace

smokymtnsteve

Former Member · 07-16-2003, 22:13

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**Blue Jay** · 07-17-2003, 07:46

I, for one and many many more would agree 100% with Smokymtnsteve. "Easy" go back and read some of your drunken, racist, misogynistic, truly hate filled posts. If you do so sober even you will agree with us. I'm serious, check yourself in or stay in the woods far away from humans, please.

**meBrad** · 07-17-2003, 09:00

I have come to understand that my participation in this forum is counter productive. In an attempt to ammend this I am deleting my posts and have requested to have my account deleted

**Lone Wolf** · 07-17-2003, 09:13

Yeah Brad, you're a newbie. Stay out of this one. Most of the **** that was spewed has been deleted. I CAN give examples of Easy's behavior cuz I witnessed it, but I won't. Don't get too deep with the intellectual bs.

**meBrad** · 07-17-2003, 09:18

I have come to understand that my participation in this forum is counter productive. In an attempt to ammend this I am deleting my posts and have requested to have my account deleted

**Blue Jay** · 07-17-2003, 15:00

Your posts are BS for two reasons. One, you clearly stated that you have only read his posts from this thread, therefore you do not have a clue as to what you are talking about. Two, you use 50 words where 3 would convey the same insipid information. Is that specific enough for you.

**meBrad** · 07-17-2003, 15:11

I have come to understand that my participation in this forum is counter productive. In an attempt to ammend this I am deleting my posts and have requested to have my account deleted

Former Member · 07-17-2003, 15:52

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**Lugnut** · 07-17-2003, 20:57

Wow! This whole thread got completly out of control. I think it's Fubar's fault.

meBrad. Most of us here don't think all those the negative adjectives apply to Easy. You will find though there is general agreement that he is nuts!

Not that there is anything wrong with that.

**Footnotes** · 07-19-2003, 17:01

Brad
You are making a big newbie mistake. Riding your white horse into something you know nothing about and having a closed mind to those who want to fill the gaps in your knowledge. My own opinion is that no one on this site is interested in debating for the sake of debating. The site is about conveying information. You should learn from the description of the one you have chose to do battle for. If you are anything other than a WASP he will quickly offend you. If you are a WASP he will quickly offend you also.

You sound like an intelligent person. If you have knowledge of hiking I would like to hear about it when the opportunity presents itself. If you have questions about hiking, then ask them. We do not have a lot of patience for the type of person you are defending.

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