REI shopper detained by Armored Truck guards, arrested for photographing an open ATM.

**Manwich** · 05-12-2009, 13:35

Originally Posted by Sly

Seems to me REI has nothing to do with this, it wasn't their ATM.

It was on their property, they decided to serve him with a trespass warning and I'm willing to believe the LP Agents and Management did nothing to deescalate the incident, in fact to exacerbate the problem.

**TD55** · 05-12-2009, 13:36

I remember having debates 20 or 30 years ago about how if we were not careful the authoritys would be able to demand our "documents" on demand for no reason, just like they did in the Soviet Union.

**Manwich** · 05-12-2009, 13:49

Halt. Let me zee your paperz.

**le loupe** · 05-12-2009, 13:54

Originally Posted by TD55

I remember having debates 20 or 30 years ago about how if we were not careful the authoritys would be able to demand our "documents" on demand for no reason, just like they did in the Soviet Union.

You must produce a Driver's License only when stopped in a vehicle.

During any other stop or questioning by police, no ID is required. It is sufficient that you identify yourself verbally. Answers are required to be truthful.

You may refuse to answer any questions but that may make things more difficult.

(from information provided by the ACLU)

**D'Artagnan** · 05-12-2009, 14:06

Well at least they didn't shoot him...

**Manwich** · 05-12-2009, 17:31

Originally Posted by D'Artagnan

Well at least they didn't shoot him...

Yeah I guess things are lookin up.

**Phoenixdadeadhead** · 05-12-2009, 21:06

Originally Posted by Sly

Seems to me REI has nothing to do with this, it wasn't their ATM.

REI hit him with trespassing, which tells me to stay the heck out of their stores who knows who they will say is trespassing next. I would Email REI but I can not seem to be able to find their contact email. If anyone knows it hit me up I would like to inform them they have lost my business until they apologize publicly.

**Phoenixdadeadhead** · 05-12-2009, 21:07

Originally Posted by D'Artagnan

Well at least they didn't shoot him...

Or tazer him "DOn't Taze me Bro"

**dla** · 05-12-2009, 21:11

Originally Posted by le loupe

You must produce a Driver's License only when stopped in a vehicle.

During any other stop or questioning by police, no ID is required. It is sufficient that you identify yourself verbally. Answers are required to be truthful.

You may refuse to answer any questions but that may make things more difficult.

(from information provided by the ACLU)

Very wrong. Try it and then tell us how tight the cuff's were. You are required to show ID. But an officer must have probable cause to "check you out" in the first place.

**dla** · 05-12-2009, 21:15

Originally Posted by Luxury Bullseye

So people with cameras should only shoot what someone else deems photogenic?

No, they're not. That's the kids whole point: that better schematics and photos can be LEGALLY found via a simple Google search.

Can you prove that?

**Egads** · 05-12-2009, 21:27

Originally Posted by dla

Can you prove that?

http://features.cgsociety.org/newgal...0321_large.jpg

**le loupe** · 05-12-2009, 21:50

Originally Posted by dla

Very wrong. Try it and then tell us how tight the cuff's were. You are required to show ID. But an officer must have probable cause to "check you out" in the first place.

I stand by my post- you are not required to show ID- however you must identify yourself.

Just 'cause you say it ain't so doesn't mean I'm wrong. Bring something better than what I have to the table

http://www.aclu.org/FilesPDFs/dwb%20bust%20card7_04.pdf

**take-a-knee** · 05-12-2009, 21:57

This never would've happened in Atlanta, the guard would have been concerned about looking down the barrel of a Glock if he came at someone with a pair of cuffs. It could happen in good ol' Jersey 'cause they've allowed their politicians to neuter them.

"An armed society, is a polite society." Robert Heinlein

**TD55** · 05-12-2009, 21:58

I have refused to show ID or give up my name without a just reason.

**le loupe** · 05-12-2009, 22:28

Originally Posted by take-a-knee

This never would've happened in Atlanta, the guard would have been concerned about looking down the barrel of a Glock if he came at someone with a pair of cuffs. It could happen in good ol' Jersey 'cause they've allowed their politicians to neuter them.

"An armed society, is a polite society." Robert Heinlein

it happened long before I had anything to neuter...

**kolokolo** · 05-12-2009, 22:33

What a curious thread. It has nothing to do with hiking or camping, but seems to stoke some people's deep-seated suspicion toward the authorities.

**take-a-knee** · 05-12-2009, 22:41

Originally Posted by le loupe

it happened long before I had anything to neuter...

That's true, point taken, but you could still move. I KNOW I would. California gun laws are the reason there are more active shooters per capita in Arizona than any other state.

**le loupe** · 05-12-2009, 22:43

Originally Posted by take-a-knee

That's true, point taken, but you could still move. I KNOW I would. California gun laws are the reason there are more active shooters per capita in Arizona than any other state.

wife says NO- so maybe I have allowed myself to be neutered

**TD55** · 05-12-2009, 23:01

Originally Posted by UHFox

What a curious thread. It has nothing to do with hiking or camping, but seems to stoke some people's deep-seated suspicion toward the authorities.

It is about hiking and camping. The incident occured at REI. Lots of hikers and campers spend thier money there. They sell outdoor gear and clothing.

**LiamNZ** · 05-12-2009, 23:08

The guy (as shown in his blog) seemed to be a jerk, and was trying to act tough.

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