Okay, I've tried to consider ulta light weight or even light weight hiking but just can't "go there". I have decided to be happy with a sub 30 lb fully loaded for 6 days pack weight. Before food, water and fuel my pack weight is 18 lbs.There are some items I just don't want to leave behind. I dont' want to drink and eat from the same pot. I don't want to use the same bandana for personal cleaning and everthing else. I don't want to give up my pillow. Tried the stuff sack of clothes on one trip and couldn't ever get comfortable. I want the one change of clothes for mid hike. And I don't like alcohol stoves. And I just can't justify spending another 100.00 to get just one lb lighter.There! Said it and feel better.