So do they? They are not for sale on the website anymore. I spent so much time being meticulous about gear and buying up these expensive sleeping bags but I have found that it was all in my head. I had one at one time but I sold it off to buy something I thought was better. I am not saying that a FF or WM bag is not better, it's just that I am rough with stuff and I feel like an economical and functional bag like those fit my personality best. Does anyone happen to have a 20 they might want to sale??