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    verasch if you are going to be that humorus, how about uploading a few pics and filling out that home page... you have been here long enough!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nutbrown View Post
    That's a good point about knowing when you need the electrolytes. I am also now making sure the potassium level is adequate. I haven't done a hike in the middle of summer before, so I'm being a bit paranoid, I know.
    Hello fellow Chapel Hill resident! If you are doing a mid-summer hike in the NC mountains, treat it as if it were spring temps in Chapel Hill. It gets much, much cooler up in them thar hills. Unlike the swelter we experience here, you will be on a vacation to another season. You'll be fine!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wise Old Owl View Post
    verasch if you are going to be that humorus, how about uploading a few pics and filling out that home page... you have been here long enough!
    What home page?

    I haven't posted any pics, cuz i most likely won't be thruing anytime soon, and don't want to annoy the powers that be. But if its kosher, i'll participate more than the confines of this cell phone.

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    I generally only drink just water on the trail. As the infamousJ has talked about, hyponatremia, I have also run into this situation a couple of times before as well. I have done the same thing, stopped and had a salty snack. I think it's a good thing to have the supplements available to you in order to balance what your body is telling you. I'd like to look into potassium and electrolytes for daily use, maybe try it on a shakedow trip of sorts.
    Another thing that bothers me is I sweat alot of fluids out when I workout (be it hiking or framing houses). On a typical summer day I could replace 4-6 litres of water in an 8 hr period. I wonder if the supplements can help cut this down and still keep me hydrated>?

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    Yes House If you are in the sun a lot you run the risk of thick blood - which leads over time embolisms in the veins or deep vein thombosis. Hydration is a very small amount of natural salt (sea salt) and 40 mg (NOT 90) mg of potassium, fruit sugars sweeten it up a little, but are not necessary. This was the beginning of the Gatorade at football games and track events.

    Tell ya what lets say you are framing a house and its going to be a very hot dry day, have a banana in the morning and take some ice water and skip the coffee... IF you feel the need for coffee substitute a tea from Korean Ginseng and add a Turbinado sugar for a hot drink... Its a simple step up to feeling better and it works on the trail!
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    nice - JD does it mix well with hooch or moonshine?

    Hey where have you been?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rocketsocks View Post
    Was just reading a small first aid book today, and it talked about not choosing electrolytes that have to much sugar, because it can actually dehydrate you further, and if you did use Gatorade, to dilute it with half water. Further it list the replacement electrolytes as follows.

    To One Liter of water

    sodium chloride 3.5 grams
    potassium chloride 1.5 grams
    glucose 20 grams
    sodium bicarbonate 2.5 grams

    These figures come from the World Health Organization
    +1 on this. I also agree that eating salty snacks is probably adequate in most cases, but having some hydration therapy mix for emergencies is a good idea. Curious that some posts complain about too much sugar and others about too little. I for one have had a hard time finding electrolyte mixes with the right amount of sugar (as per the WHO above). Much better to drink the sugar. The sugar makes it taste good and is necessary for appropriate hydration. I avoid no-cal sweeteners. I have considered making my own with the recipe above. All the ingredients are easy to get. You could then flavor it with a package of Kool-Aid (the original kind that you are supposed to mix with sugar and water - it is basically just flavoring).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wise Old Owl View Post
    nice - JD does it mix well with hooch or moonshine?

    Hey where have you been?
    I imagine you could wash it down with either!

    Been down in VA, did a little walkin in SNP, but aborted on day 2 due to the excessive heat that kicked my arse. No cramps though due to the above mentioned product! LOL

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    I'm going to give a tablet supplement a try this week, made by Hammer products called undurolytes. The combination of what has been talked about here seems very simular.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theinfamousj View Post
    Hello fellow Chapel Hill resident! If you are doing a mid-summer hike in the NC mountains, treat it as if it were spring temps in Chapel Hill. It gets much, much cooler up in them thar hills. Unlike the swelter we experience here, you will be on a vacation to another season. You'll be fine!
    The weather for my section (Hot Springs area) actually looks awesome. Temps at night to 67!!! Now I'm thinking about leaving the electrolytes at home with my IX underquilt, and pack my down and hot chocolate!

    I've been in the ChHill area 12 years now, and flipped from Hillsborough to Carrboro and now am in N Chatham Co. How about you?

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    It is dirt simple to make your own. See http://Postholer.Com/journal/viewJou...entry_id=19697

    And in some case hiker may NEED them. I did a high day day yesterday on the NJ AT and started cramping due to heat and electrolyte imbalance. Several capsules later, cramps were in check and never returned. Hiking long days or in heat can be a problem for some people, it's more than marketing hype.

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    It seems the currently accepted formula for Oral Rehydration Solution is

    Sodium Chloride = 2.6 g/L
    Anhydrous Glucose = 13.5 g/L
    Potassium Chloride = 1.5 g/L
    trisodium citrate dihydrate = 2.9 g/L

    Mix with so Kool Aid powder mix and you would have a hydration formula as good as any, I would think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Odd Man Out View Post
    It seems the currently accepted formula for Oral Rehydration Solution is

    Sodium Chloride = 2.6 g/L
    Anhydrous Glucose = 13.5 g/L
    Potassium Chloride = 1.5 g/L
    trisodium citrate dihydrate = 2.9 g/L

    Mix with so Kool Aid powder mix and you would have a hydration formula as good as any, I would think.
    That's good to know, I see the glucose has dropped quite a bit, perhaps it's that whole "people don't need extra sugars in there diets" I got the info from the 'Wilderness Medical Guide' by Dr. Eric Weiss M.D. and it is dated, seems my edition is from 2005, thanks for posting that Odd Man Out. It was so hot out today that I went through 36oz. of water while hiking, and a small snack zip lock baggie of GORP, feel pretty good so far, little tired though......

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    Quote Originally Posted by gg-man View Post
    It is dirt simple to make your own. See http://Postholer.Com/journal/viewJou...entry_id=19697

    And in some case hiker may NEED them. I did a high day day yesterday on the NJ AT and started cramping due to heat and electrolyte imbalance. Several capsules later, cramps were in check and never returned. Hiking long days or in heat can be a problem for some people, it's more than marketing hype.
    Agree 100%. I add Morton's Lite Salt and a calcium/magnesium complex to my Perpetuem mix periodically and it works great.

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    I use Nuun, I used to use gatoraid but on a hot humid day I very quickly didnt want to drink it. If I dont use some sort of electrolyte, I get leg cramps a few hours after the hike. I usually order the Nuun in boxes of four from whatever vendor is selling it for less as its a hihg mark up item at outdoor stores.

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    I've never been much for energy drinks but I found something at Walmat named X-Energy Mix that I really liked and it actually seemed to help getting up the hills, comes in 4 flavors, I like the lemon-tea best but they are all good.

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    Nutbrown,

    I'm a big fan of Nuun tabs; they come in a 1"x4" tube so take up very little space, weigh virtually nothing, don't have a bunch of sugar that gets all over the place and they've saved me numerous times over the years. (Though the cola flavor tastes like a flat Pepsi, it has a little hit of caffeine and gives an extra kick.)

    I typically carry a tube of these when cycling and find when the heat is really giving me a pounding, dropping a tablet in a water bottle and sipping this really brings me back from Zombie Land.

    As someone mentioned early, the taste is o.k. but beats a mouthful of saline fluid....

    If you're in Chapel Hill any bike shop (like Performance) should stock them. Give it a shot. Granted, $5 is a bit steep for a couple of ounces of salt, a tube makes 12 bottles and IMHO is worth it.

    Cheers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nutbrown View Post
    I've been in the ChHill area 12 years now, and flipped from Hillsborough to Carrboro and now am in N Chatham Co. How about you?
    I've lived in Chapel Hill for 10 years now, but spent 30 years in the Triangle. I live near the airport.

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