Gosh I love that photo of him.Originally Posted by The Old Fhart
I have many photos of LW, but that one is a classic.
Wolf, nobody put me in charge of anything, but hogging a public facility that lots of folks depend on is simply rude.
Would you take a one-hour shower at Miss Janet's or Kincora if you knew a dozen folks were waiting to use it? I don't think so. If you found a cooler by the Trail with a dozen cold drinks in it, and you knew there were folks right behind you, would you take them all? I don't think so. Would you spread your stuff all over three spots in a shelter depriving someone of a place to stay? Would it be cool to do this because you got there first? I don't think so.
Nor is it cool to be inconsiderate when using such things as pay phones, public access computers in libraries, etc.
It's ultimately a matter of courtesy and respect for one's fellow hikers.
Some people understand this and I guess some don't.
Hell, the point is that it apparently only takes a few minutes to upload your pocketmail. If that's the case, what's the difference from using the phone for a conversation?
If I were in line behind folks I knew hadn't talked with family and friends for a while I wouldn't expect the conversation to be less than 5 minutes.
Courtesy and consideration works both ways.
Last edited by Skidsteer; 08-12-2006 at 13:50.
Skids
Insanity: Asking about inseams over and over again and expecting different results.
Albert Einstein, (attributed)
How long it takes or doesn't take to unload a Pocketmail is no longer the point.
A hiker made the statement that if he got to a phone first, his right to check him mail transcended anyone else's right to use that phone, and that since he got there first, he'd damn well stay on the line as long as he wished.
I made the observation that this was a singularly rude, selfish thing to do, and that I was even more surprised that such an attitude woulkd be held by an experienced, veteran hiker. This sort of ignorance is usually found in those new to the Trail, and not those who've been out there for awhile.
When dealing with public services that are few and far between, and when there are almost always other folks waiting to use them, the comment that other hikers "can wait until I'm done" is an extraordinarily self-centered, arrogant attitude to hold.
Skidster, please re-read my post above. Would you stay in a shower for an hour knowing other folks were waiting, or that hot water was limited? Would the attitutde that "The other hiker can wait til I'm done" be acceptable then?
I don't think so.
Courtesy only works both ways if both parties agree to be courteous.
When one party feels no need to be courteous, it is indeed a one-way street.
Jack
Jack, tell me what's arrogant about using my Pocketmail at a phone.
If a hiker comes up and wants to use the phone, should I hang up and try again later??
All I want to do is check my email and send my email on my Pocketmail.
Is it arrogant for me to type on my Pocketmail??
If that bothers you....use your feet and go somewhere else.
You even cussed for me on one of your posts when you said and I quote;
****"You say that your right to check your mail transcends another guy's right to talk to his family, and they can goddam wait til you're done."****
At least if you feel the need to speak for me, clean up what you say because I wouldn't cuss on a public forum.
Here's what I actually said;
****"Jack, my right to tie up a phone to check my email DOES transcend another hiker's right to call his family if I got to the phone first.
That's how I communicate with my family and friends.
That other hiker can wait until I'm done with the phone."****
And I still stand by that.
Oh yeah......I really appreciate you calling me a schmuck, but I'll stick with my trailname of Stumpknocker.
An apology????.......because now my feelings are hurt.
Stumpknocker
Stump, untwist your knickers.
You weren't mis-quoted.
You said your rights transcended the right of others, and folks can wait til you're done.
You can stand by your attitude, I'll stand by mine.
Any hiker that ever says, for any reason, that their "rights" are more important than anyone else's, needs to deflate their head a bit.
you just love LW, just admit it.............
and thank you for taking us back to Lone Wolf here Only Wanderer....how dare Stumpy and Ol Jackie Boy take our stage away......even if the thread was about pocketmail........
Yes I love Lone Wolf. I love Gypsy too.
I love Stump and Jack too but they're too busy to notice
Hell I love everybody even Matthewski.
You Got It Wrong Again, Jack
You DID mis-quote me and you're DOING it again.
You said and I quote;
****You said your rights transcended the right of others, and folks can wait til you're done.****
Again, would you like me to hang up in the middle of my call if another hiker walks up and wants to use the phone without a Pocketmail???
Here's what I actually said.....read slowly.........
****"Jack, my right to tie up a phone to check my email DOES transcend another hiker's right to call his family if I got to the phone first.
That's how I communicate with my family and friends.
That other hiker can wait until I'm done with the phone."****
I'm still waiting for an apology because my feelings are still hurt......Ha!!!
OK, gotta go check out the Lone Wolf photo........
Stumpknocker
You're right Jack, I wouldn't. But I wouldn't drop everything and run out of the shower with soap in my eyes if somebody suddenly appeared in line behind me and that appears to be Stumpknocker's point.
I doubt the issue would ever come up between you two on the trail. By all accounts you both are courteous individuals.
Skids
Insanity: Asking about inseams over and over again and expecting different results.
Albert Einstein, (attributed)
We can do this all day long, Stump, but it's getting old.
You said your rights transcend the rights of others and that if you got to the phone first, you could spend as much time on it (doing your Mail or whatever) and that the rest of the world can damn well wait til you're done.
If you don't wanna have to spend so much time explaining or rationalizing arrogant, selfish, self-centered, comments, well, there's a simple remedy:
Don't say them.
But don't make 'em and then whine about being mis-interpreted.
What you said was quite clear: Your needs transcend the needs of others.
Thanks for letting us know.
Jack, You Got It Wrong Yet Again
You mis-quoted me again.
Well, this arrogant, selfish, self-centered individual is out of here.
Too bad The King Of Arrogance is still going to be on White Blaze.
Stumpknocker
You were quoted perfectly. Several times, in fact.
But if you wanna leave, by all means go.
Geez, Stump. All I said was that hikers should be considerate of others when using public services that everyone depends on, especially when folks are waiting to use them.
I'm sorry this simple suggestion is such a difficult concept for you to grasp. To most people, it's called "common courtesy." Evidently, you were absent from charm school the day they were teaching this one.
But believe it or not, Stump, courtesy and consideration is something most of us learned as small children.
Too bad at 53, you still don't get it.
The only thing I can think of is, somehow, someone with a Pocketmail caused Jack to miss his shuttle!
watch out guys, she's on a role.................!and thank you for taking us back to Lone Wolf here Only Wanderer....how dare Stumpy and Ol Jackie Boy take our stage away......even if the thread was about pocketmail........
Yes I love Lone Wolf. I love Gypsy too.
I love Stump and Jack too but they're too busy to notice
Hell I love everybody even Matthewski.
Checking Back To See If Jack Learned How To Quote Someone Yet
Nope, guess not.
Hey Jack, here's a quote from you talking about me and I AM quoting what you said about me:
****"You were quoted perfectly. Several times, in fact."****
I say you never once quoted what I said, much less several times. If you did, show me.
If you want to quote me, then quote me....don't twist things around to fit in that arrogant mind of yours.
I'll check back in a day or two to see if your arrogance persists.
Stumpknocker
*Waiting to use the payphone-time consuming
*Others telling me to get off the payphone - annoying
*Waiting to get the payphone again- pain in the butt
*Talking as long as I want on my cell with unlimited anytime minutes- PRICELESS
That's it! I'm going to go back to using my own ham station when I go out for a hike!
This is not a kind thing, nor courtous or considerate to say to Stumpknocker, you two obviously disagree, so how about agreeing to disagree?But believe it or not, Stump, courtesy and consideration is something most of us learned as small children. Too bad at 53, you still don't get it.
I do not think he is inconsiderate or discourteous - perhaps you can both see some good in each other somewhere ;-)
As for people learning this as small children, it seems that there is another thread that was started about the hiker "Poisoning the Well" that says different, as well as MANY others.
I think the point of the thread was to discuss PocketMail and whether anybody else was considering using them on trail next year - some will and some won't - just like many of the payphones along the way....some work and some just don't.
;-)
ad astra per aspera
For less weight than a 2M HT you can carry a full featured PDA with WiFi card and have complete internet service. On our last trip to Trail Days we used the WiFi connection while in the Doyle, near the Waynesboro Public Library, and in Dave's Place in Damascus so it is getting more and more common.The Only Wandering-"That's it! I'm going to go back to using my own ham station when I go out for a hike!"
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