Mountain Crossings

[rickb]

They sell any manner of stoves that are similiar, or better, than Trangia

Too many stores refuse to sell the inexpensive alcohol stoves.

In fact, seeing a $12 Trangia burner alongside a Jet Boil is a rather rare site.

I give the stores that do sell alcohol stoves (of any type) special props. Stores along the AT really don't have a good reason not to offer an alchohol option.

My opinion.

Jack's report that this one does says something good about the store, I think.

[Jack Tarlin]

I'm not going to speak for Winton, but in brief, the product in question isn't carried at MC for any number of reasons, such as questions about the design; questions about how well it would sell; and lack of floor space. There are plenty of lines and products Winton doesn't sell. Further questions on this should be directed to him, and not me.

As for shuttles, there are staffers available evry day for this; call the store anytime (8:30-6) and tell the folks where you need to go and when; they'll quote you a price and work out a time good for both of you. getting a shuttle from or to the Woody Gap area should not be a problem.

[jpelaston]

Too many stores refuse to sell the inexpensive alcohol stoves.

In fact, seeing a $12 Trangia burner alongside a Jet Boil is a rather rare site.

I give the stores that do sell alcohol stoves (of any type) special props. Stores along the AT really don't have a good reason not to offer an alchohol option.

My opinion.

Jack's report that this one does says something good about the store, I think.

I was in MTX on sunday and they have at least 3 or 4 different Alky stoves. I know they have the whitebox and another that the name escapes me at the moment.

I enjoyed going into the store. I had just finished a section from springer to neel, and while I have a good setup and need nothing I did enjoy walking around amongst the chaos!

[Jack Tarlin]

Their best-selling alcohol stove is made by Etowah Outfitters. This has probably been the best-selling and most popular alcohol stove on the A.T. for the better part of a decade.

[John Klein]

Their best-selling alcohol stove is made by Etowah Outfitters. This has probably been the best-selling and most popular alcohol stove on the A.T. for the better part of a decade.

What pot do you all use with this stove? If I use it with a KMart Grease Pot flames go up the side of the pot.

[Jack Tarlin]

Something like a MSR Titan Kettle or something similar would work well.

A little pricey but a great pot.

[BigFoot2002]

There is a snow peak 1400 on my Etowah. Don't forget the wind screen.

[Pootz]

Their best-selling alcohol stove is made by Etowah Outfitters. This has probably been the best-selling and most popular alcohol stove on the A.T. for the better part of a decade.

And they are for sale at Mountian Crossings for .01 under MSRP.

Not sure I would agree with them being the most popular alcohol stove in the AT. I did not see one in use during my 07 thru hike.

I would guess that they are the most popular Alcohol stove used by those going into Mountian Crossings looking for an Alcohol stove.

[BigFoot2002]

In 07 I carried one on my section hike from SNP to Katahdin,

[Cedar Tree]

I'm not going to speak for Winton, but in brief, the product in question isn't carried at MC for any number of reasons, such as questions about the design; questions about how well it would sell; and lack of floor space. There are plenty of lines and products Winton doesn't sell. Further questions on this should be directed to him, and not me.

Ok Jack, these questions are for you. If you are not speaking for Winton, and you are discussing products MC does or does not carry and why, then who are you speaking for? Do you have a say in what products MC carries?

This is one side of a story, period, and in all truth, if you're going to attack people's integrity or character, or term them "dishonest" or something similar, then you should put your real name on your posts. In all truth, I suspect the problem here (and the animosity) is because Winton wasn't interested in carrying this product any more.

This is where you are wrong Jack, and this is also why I am posting again.
Yes, I have animosity towards Winton, but I assure you it has nothing to do with him not wanting to carry the Packa. I find your "suspicion" ridiculous because I explicitly stated why I have animosity towards Winton. He ripped me off. I gave him 2 Packas on consignment and he did not pay me the amount we agreed upon. And I "suspect" you now know the truth. I detect a totally different tone in your latest post compared to the one above. You strongly jumped in to stick up for Winton and question my motives in the beginning, but now "Further questions on this should be directed to him, and not me."

Obviously, Winton is not commenting on this. I know if someone called me dishonest, and it wasn't true (which it wouldn't be) I'd damn sure be on here telling my side of the story. No comment from him says a lot. I would bet he is well aware of this thread and my comments.

I'm not trying to flame anyone, but, it sounds to me like you screwed up when you settled for the $36 and walked out. Did you ever submit an invoice?

Well, Gray Blazer you are technically right I guess. No, I never sent him an invoice. I am still a 1 person cottage industry, and this happened long ago when I was just getting started. I place a lot of value on a man's word and handshake.

Gotta give props to the outfitters in Hot Springs and Harper's Ferry. They are straight up honest.

No, it's NOT fair enough.

Is it fair enough now?

You know, I have always respected you Jack. You are very loyal to your friends. And you have a tremendous amount of knowledge of the AT. I will always remember the first time we met, and how you treated my beloved Pug. You had dog biscuits in your pocket.

But, you're wrong about this Jack. Winton is a thief, whether you like him or not.

My name is Eddie Hinnant
Cedar Tree

PS.. I appreciate all the PM's supporting me, especially the other vendor who had a similar experience with MC. I wish you'd post it here.

[Egads]

I explicitly stated why I have animosity towards Winton. He ripped me off. I gave him 2 Packas on consignment and he did not pay me the amount we agreed upon.

Let us know how much $ you were shorted and we'll take up a wine and cheese collection for you

[SGT Rock]

I know Cedar Tree, I wouldn't characterize him as a whiner.

[Egads]

I know Cedar Tree, I wouldn't characterize him as a whiner.

I stand corrected and apologize. But Cedar has made his point and it's time to move on. Life has too many troubles to carry a grudge

[SGT Rock]

I agree.

[Frosty]

I know Cedar Tree, I wouldn't characterize him as a whiner.

All I know about Cedar Tree is when I saw him at Trail Days a few years ago, I commented I couldn't wear rain gear like his Packa because my arms were too long. He said he would custom make one for me. We worked out the sleeve length and he took my name, address and email. I offered to give him money up front because after all it was a custom job. He said no, as long as I gave my word to buy it, that was good enough for him.

Two weeks later I received my Packa in the mail. I still hadn't paid a cent for it. He just assumed I was honest and that I would pay.

It is often true in life that one ascribes to others his or her own attributes onto others. A person who would lie or steal is a little quicker to assume that the other person would, and a person as honest as Cedar Tree assumes that everyone is as honest as he is.

This sometimes results in their getting taken advantage of sometimes, and it is too bad, because they are the ones who spread joy and well-being wherever they go.

[SGT Rock]

All I know about Cedar Tree is when I saw him at Trail Days a few years ago, I commented I couldn't wear rain gear like his Packa because my arms were too long. He said he would custom make one for me. We worked out the sleeve length and he took my name, address and email. I offered to give him money up front because after all it was a custom job. He said no, as long as I gave my word to buy it, that was good enough for him.

Two weeks later I received my Packa in the mail. I still hadn't paid a cent for it. He just assumed I was honest and that I would pay.

It is often true in life that one ascribes to others his or her own attributes onto others. A person who would lie or steal is a little quicker to assume that the other person would, and a person as honest as Cedar Tree assumes that everyone is as honest as he is.

This sometimes results in their getting taken advantage of sometimes, and it is too bad, because they are the ones who spread joy and well-being wherever they go.

That sounds like the Cedar Tree I know.

[Blue Jay]

It is often true in life that one ascribes to others his or her own attributes onto others. A person who would lie or steal is a little quicker to assume that the other person would, and a person as honest as Cedar Tree assumes that everyone is as honest as he is.

I know at least a dozen people besides myself who agree with this assessment of Cedar Tree.

[Jack Tarlin]

Cedar Tree:

If you have a dispute with someone, you should discuss it with him.

And while I'm glad you're getting supportive PM's, the commentary on this thread seems to be about 50-2 in favor of the integrity of Mountain Crossings and its proprietor, so your charachterization of Mr. Porter as a thief is really beneath you, and if you think such personal villification elevates yourself or your argument in any way, be assured it does not.

And no, Tree, I'm not speaking for Winton or anyone. All I did in your last post was to answer a direct question you asked of me. Sorry you didn't like the answer, but there are plenty of products and product lines not carried at Mountain Crossings. I can think of dozens of items and lines not carried there.

But oddly enough, I don't see any of them complaining about it here.

Lastly, Tree, the reason Winton isn't commenting here is because he's too busy helping hikers. He doesn't have any time for internight piss fights, and in any case, he thinks this discussion is beneath him.

And in all truth, Tree, with your reckless assertions and name-calling that borders on defamation and outright slander, well I think Winton is right.

This dialogue IS beneath him, and it's not doing your name much good either.

Time to let it go.

[SGT Rock]

I really think you are making more out of this Jack than Cedar Tree.

[Jack Tarlin]

I should further add that this entire discussion was instigated by Cedar Tree.

It's sole person was to damage the good name and reputation of a particular business and its highly respected proprietor.

To start a highly provacative thread, and then to get all indignant when people reply to it with differing opinions on its validity is really pretty childish.

People that don't want to provoke lively discussions shouldn't start them.