Gear List Suggestions?

[ZeroC]

I'm working on putting together a package for future hikes suggestions welcome if you know of something better at the same weight/price point or lower. This should be pretty much my 3-season package.

My main items:
Pack - either a GoLite Jam2 or a ULA Conduit, both have about the same space just don't know about the distribution of the space for the jam2, i know it can be striped down to the weight of the Conduit. 17oz
Sleeping - GoLite Ultra 20 Quilt, Mountain Laurel Superbivy and a Gossamer Torso Pad. 32oz
Shelter - a poncho tarp of some sort, probably GoLite, w/ air cord and ti stakes. (if it's not going to rain or be bad out i wouldn't bother setting up would just sleep in my bivy) 13oz
Trekking poles - BackPacking Light Stix 9oz

Clothing: (Yes i know pretty much everything is golite, it's hard to find weights for alot of items from other companies and the prices are pretty much the same)
Short Sleve:GoLite DriMove™ Silk S/S 2oz
Long Sleve:GoLite DriMove™ L/S 7oz
Shorts:GoLite Baja Shorts 3oz
Legging Baselayer: GoLite DriMove Bottoms 6oz
Wind Shirt:GoLite WISP WIND SHIRT 3oz
Wind Pants:GoLite WHIM PANT 4oz
Headwear: GoLite Visor 2oz
Warmer Headwear: Fleece hat 2oz
Socks: 2 pair Under Armor (haven't weighed them, probably 1oz maybe 2)
Light Weight Gloves: Black Diamond 2oz
Rain gear would be the poncho/tarp
Shoes:Right now i'm using Salomon XA trail runners 28oz

Cooking:
Cat can stove <1oz
Evernew .9L Ti Pot 5oz

This should be me through down to pretty cold if needed and will keep my base weight under 11-12 pounds after fuel and matches and TP and soap, etc... are factored in. so for a 5 day without resupply would put me at about 25 pounds total. Not bad i think.

Eric

[simplespirit]

The Ultra 20 is only good to 30 at best.....more realistically 35 per most people who have tried it including myself and I sleep warm.

I see no insulating garments.

Not much else jumping out at me but it's early and I'm still waking up.

[ZeroC]

I'll have to do a few experiments. When you tried it did you use a bivy? I'm a warm sleeper and i like to be cold, so i'm curious how comfortable i'd be with the short sleeve shirt and the long sleeve shirt even add the windshirt on top and then the leggings and windpants and socks and a hat all in the bivy in the ultra 20 when it's cold. Even if i can't take the ultra down to 20 even 30 degrees still gives me a lighter and cheaper bag then pretty much anything else.

Also as for insulating layers, i'd probably add a fleece pull over for when i'm not on the move. The short sleeve and long sleeve and windshirt on top and with the leggings and windpants should keep me confortable down to 30* if i'm moving.

If going down even colder then I'd add on a pair of insulated pants, don't know what ones yet.

Clothes are cheaper to experiment with and you're going to use everything you buy for something at somepoint, since basically with the pack, bag, tarp, bivy, and poles sets me back over 600 bucks.

[Panzer1]

This should be me through down to pretty cold if needed....

For the upper body you have 3 light shirts and a poncho. But nothing really warm. I would not take that out in "pretty cold" weather. I would like to see you have something that was purpose made for cold weather.

Panzer

[ZeroC]

Any suggestion for a heavier shirt?

[esteban]

If you have the money go for one of the montbell down or synthetic insulation layers. I use an "extremely light" jacket that weighs 5.6oz and gives me more warmth than a 200wt fleece. They make a few other models that are similar but with varying weights and amounts of loft. The thing weighs less than a cotton shirt!

[simplespirit]

I used the Ultra 20 in a tent with another person in it (arguably warmer than a bivy will be).

I concur with the MontBell suggestion for your insulating top. I have a UL Down Inner and Thermawrap and love both.

[flemdawg1]

If you have the money go for one of the montbell down or synthetic insulation layers. I use an "extremely light" jacket that weighs 5.6oz and gives me more warmth than a 200wt fleece. They make a few other models that are similar but with varying weights and amounts of loft. The thing weighs less than a cotton shirt!

I use a standard Lands End down vest. Much cheaper, and just as puffy.

[ZeroC]

I'll look into something like that.

What about the pack,sleep, shelter system? Any comments on that, since that's the big ticket items.

[Alligator]

Have you used a torso pad with a quilt previously? I use mine with a full length pad and would have a gap for sure with a 3/4. It might work for other setups, but my quilt is DIY.

[simplespirit]

I'm currently replacing my Conduit with an Ohm. The Conduit is a great pack but the Ohm is only a couple of ounces heavier and you get a frame for carrying heavier loads. 25 lbs is going to be pushing the upper limits of a frameless pack and the ability to carry it comfortably will depend on the conditioning of your shoulders. I'd keep it under 20 lbs with any frameless pack.

As far as the ground insulation goes, you can use your pack under the lower body in combo with a torso or 3/4 pad so no real problem there.

I don't see any real problems with your shelter choice other than you might not like tarping if you haven't done it before.

In regards to the Lands End mention, it's going to be a lot heavier than the MontBell offerings and this is an ultralight forum.

[JAK]

Go-Lite Jam2 should carry 25 pounds very adequately. Consider using a blue foam pad, warm and light and you can load it into you pack first like a tube. It takes up space, but it makes the Jam2 very easy to pack and carry. Clothing can be cheap and still very light and functional. Get some breathable hiking shorts though, some quickdry nylon is not as breathable as others. Might pay $40. Look for a light loose merino sweater $20 on sale places like LLBean outlet or Mardens or TJ Max or that other place like TJ Max. Start a collection. Wear them every day even at home. Skin layer top $20, 100wt fleece bottoms $20, wind shell $20, poncho tarp, wool hat, wool necky, cheap wool dress socks for everyday plus 1 good medium smart wool and you are good to go my friend.

[JAK]

Make a wooden hiking staff from a maple sapling. Way more character.
Strike way cool poses. Surprisingly light once it dries out. Field replaceable.

Not wanting to get into the whole hiking stick debate, but you are only 26.

Avoid trends.

[Elder]

Make a wooden hiking staff from a maple sapling. Way more character.
Strike way cool poses. Surprisingly light once it dries out. Field replaceable.

Not wanting to get into the whole hiking stick debate, but you are only 26.

Avoid trends.

Like listening to Jak
Poles Rock!

[BrianLe]

I have the Golite poncho and it works fine as a somewhat limited tarp shelter. But if I were starting fresh I'd seriously consider the SMD Gateway Cape and their Serenity Bug Shelter combination. I have MLD's bug shelter, but putting that under the Golite poncho as a tarp is a compromise --- either I pitch the poncho high enough to comfortably fit the bug shelter under it but have more side exposure than I like, or pitch too low to comfortably use the bug shelter.

If you're happy with a headnet as your only bug protection, then your setup might be just fine, so long as you're content to pitch the poncho pretty low to the ground when needed.

[lvleph]

Why not look into a poncho tarp bivy combo. This is what most Super Ultralight Backpackers have moved to. It gives better protection from the elements and is still lighter than a tarp and bugnet, if one also has some sort of rain gear.

I personally have never tried it, but I have read good things about it. I like my umbrella and I hike with my wife, so I need a larger shelter. Although, I suppose we could combine two ponchos. She doesn't like the tarp idea, so I compromise with a tarptent or hammocks.

[ZeroC]

are you talking about a single item that is a bivy tarp poncho combo or are you saying use a ponch tarp and a bivy? because that's my plan, the golite poncho tarp and a MLD Superbivy to keep critters out and if it's not going to rain then i wouldn't have to bother setting up the tarp and just crawl into the bivy and call it a night. Total for poncho, stakes, cord and bivy w/ net is 19oz. I'm thinking it'd work nicely since i'd only have to setup the tarp if percipitation could be an issue.

[ZeroC]

SWEET! Found a locate outfitter that has some GoLite stuff, so i finally go my hands on an Ultra 20. Holy crap, that thing is super super light. I have dress shirts that weight more. I like how the foot box is closed up.