Greedy ****ers

[DAJA]

I will not give up the culture I was raised in. You take care of yourself and your family and friends and to do less is shameful. We viewed men who could not do for themselves and needed to bum and beg and steal to survive as, well, not really men. Exceptions have always been made for those whose misfurtune is not of thier own doing, and these could always count on family and friends for help. That there are individuals today who don't feel shame at living as shallow little shadows, failures at life and loosers as men is sad, but I don't really give a crap as long as they don't get in my way. Just sayin....

LOL.... I can kinda see your point... Many "kids" like me where left to raise ourselves, because all you old folk where to busy finding ways to market and profit off of us, to parent.... Kinda ironic that as you stuffed your pockets finding very creative ways to sell us junk, making us weak and soft relying on all your fabulous creations, that you now sit back and point your finger of disgust back at us, your very own creation...

The only thing more lame than blaming "kids these days" for the reality of our world, is listening to a bunch a stiff old men talk about the good old days....

Now out of the way old fellas, there is an army of young folk just chomping at the bit to fix all your messes.... No need to say thanks, it's kinda necassary for our future.... Hmmm guess in the good old days there was no future...

[Dr O]

The only thing more lame than blaming "kids these days" for the reality of our world, is listening to a bunch a stiff old men talk about the good old days....

Of course the old days were good, they were financed by the future.

[DAJA]

Of course the old days were good, they were financed by the future.

No kidding!

[Tin Man]

LOL.... I can kinda see your point... Many "kids" like me where left to raise ourselves, because all you old folk where to busy finding ways to market and profit off of us, to parent.... Kinda ironic that as you stuffed your pockets finding very creative ways to sell us junk, making us weak and soft relying on all your fabulous creations, that you now sit back and point your finger of disgust back at us, your very own creation...

The only thing more lame than blaming "kids these days" for the reality of our world, is listening to a bunch a stiff old men talk about the good old days....

Now out of the way old fellas, there is an army of young folk just chomping at the bit to fix all your messes.... No need to say thanks, it's kinda necassary for our future.... Hmmm guess in the good old days there was no future...

actually there are plenty of young people who get it. don't worry kid, you too will learn.... unfortunately, your lesson will undoubtably be harder than most... best of luck

[DAJA]

Well fortunately, my folks where forward thinking and prepared me well.... I'd be willing to wager that i'm in a better position than most, old or young....

But thanks for your concern....

[Wrangler88]

I've been reading on this thread all day ...


I think it's rediculous to stereotype and say that all young people are cheap, freeloading, bums. I agree, there are a lot of younger people that expect things. But I'm not one of them. And I'm sure a lot of others don't appreciate anyone saying they are.

I understand why the original poster has a gripe. And I understand why owners lable their rates as 'donations'. Everyone SHOULD donate. But if a couple don't, that's the price you pay for avoiding taxes the way owners do. I think its a fair trade.

I'll pay for all of my stays. Leave the 'suggested donation'. But owners shouldn't have a gripe about a few people skipping out on their 'donations'. They're apparently skipping out on taxes. Like I said, seems like a pretty good trade out.

Maybe I'm wrong. In which case, all you the older, wiser, much harder working members can correct me.

[Tin Man]

I've been reading on this thread all day ...


I think it's rediculous to stereotype and say that all young people are cheap, freeloading, bums. I agree, there are a lot of younger people that expect things. But I'm not one of them. And I'm sure a lot of others don't appreciate anyone saying they are.

I understand why the original poster has a gripe. And I understand why owners lable their rates as 'donations'. Everyone SHOULD donate. But if a couple don't, that's the price you pay for avoiding taxes the way owners do. I think its a fair trade.

I'll pay for all of my stays. Leave the 'suggested donation'. But owners shouldn't have a gripe about a few people skipping out on their 'donations'. They're apparently skipping out on taxes. Like I said, seems like a pretty good trade out.

Maybe I'm wrong. In which case, all you the older, wiser, much harder working members can correct me.

i'm sure the hostels are not expecting everyone will 'donate', but i'm also sure more are not paying than used to and they are using their funds to party instead. that is the whole point here. it ain't young versus old, it's entitled vs. respectful. clear on your stance, not so sure about others.

[Tin Man]

Well fortunately, my folks where forward thinking and prepared me well.... I'd be willing to wager that i'm in a better position than most, old or young....

But thanks for your concern....

i ain't concerned, just would be nice if you showed some

[The Mechanical Man]

Well fortunately, my folks where forward thinking and prepared me well.... I'd be willing to wager that i'm in a better position than most, old or young....

But thanks for your concern....

Sounds to me like you are just talking about money, so you still don't get it.

You could be a better person, if you had a hostel at YOUR home.

[TD55]

Well fortunately, my folks where forward thinking and prepared me well.... I'd be willing to wager that i'm in a better position than most, old or young....

But thanks for your concern....

Really? At 33 years old you are defending yourself and worth as a human being and a man by sounding like an immature 18 year old, blaming your shortfalls on strangers who never had anything to do with your upbringing. All this because you have a need to believe that being a bum, thief, looser, begger, whatever is not the fault of the person in question, but rather, some theoretical crap put together inside your head. There are plenty of winners from your generation and the one marching up behind you. You just ain't one of them.

[Frosty]

Many "kids" like me where left to raise ourselves, because all you old folk where to busy finding ways to market and profit off of us

What are you babbling about?

[Frosty]

I've been reading on this thread all day ...


I think it's rediculous to stereotype and say that all young people are cheap, freeloading, bums.

I don't think anyone said that. For me, I've found young hikers to be pleasant and polite folks in general. What was said was that most of the free-loaders and rule-breakers at The Place were young males.

[Bearpaw]

LOL.... I can kinda see your point... Many "kids" like me where left to raise ourselves, because all you old folk where to busy finding ways to market and profit off of us, to parent.... Kinda ironic that as you stuffed your pockets finding very creative ways to sell us junk, making us weak and soft relying on all your fabulous creations, that you now sit back and point your finger of disgust back at us, your very own creation...

Please seek therapy.

[Heater]

Sorry,
it's hostels.
There's no apostrophy necessary to make most words plural. The only exception I can think of is acronyms, such as BMW's. I'm not sure that's correct either, but I've seen way too many "professionally" done signs advertising "hamburger's and pizza's" - both incorrect.

Actually I think he is right.
It is a possessive.
The hostel's laptop. Tinker's laptop.

[zoidfu]

Hilarious.

Hostels that are jumping head first through loopholes in order to get out of paying the necessary taxes and getting the necessary licensing are whining about getting it right back in their face?

That's what happens when you take shortcuts while other legitimate businesses shell out the cash to run an operation.

Now who's really feeling "entitled" here?

[rickb]

I'll pay for all of my stays. Leave the 'suggested donation'. But owners shouldn't have a gripe about a few people skipping out on their 'donations'. They're apparently skipping out on taxes. Like I said, seems like a pretty good trade out.

I don't think its fair to suggest that requesting donations rather than payment is to skip out on taxes.

Even if a property is 100% paid for, there are few if any "donation" hostels that could not easily/legally show a loss on their operation. Keep in mind that its not all about daily cash flow-- you also have property taxes, depreciation and such.

They might be simplifying things a bit, but I don't think any are "skipping out" on taxes.

[Tin Man]

I don't think its fair to suggest that requesting donations rather than payment is to skip out on taxes.

Even if a property is 100% paid for, there are few if any "donation" hostels that could not easily/legally show a loss on their operation. Keep in mind that its not all about daily cash flow-- you also have property taxes, depreciation and such.

They might be simplifying things a bit, but I don't think any are "skipping out" on taxes.

actually, the irs' unofficial policy is to look the other way on some of the cash collected by very small businesses. they are smart enough to know that otherwise, many would simply cease to exist, which would create many other social and economic problems.

[Dr O]

actually, the irs' unofficial policy is to look the other way on some of the cash collected by very small businesses. they are smart enough to know that otherwise, many would simply cease to exist, which would create many other social and economic problems.

lol! Yea, the IRS is known for it's concern about it's policies and how they affect society and the economy!

Just ask Joe Louis.

[ShakeyLeggs]

I don't think that the reason that a hostel asks for a donation over a set price has to do solely with the tax issue. I think it also has to do with avoiding having to comply with many of the regulations that are imposed on a business of this type. If the hostel owner had to comply with the many regulations the cost of running the hostel would be prohibitive. Also the owner would then have to pass these costs onto the user thus negating any cost savings for the user.

[stranger]

My view is that every single person who stays in a hostel should have to pay for the services they are using. I think work for stay is a load of BS and if you don't have the decency or common sense to earn enough money for your trip prior to leaving, then you need to adjust the length of the trip so you are adequately resourced.

You wouldn't walk into any other business and expect to work for your keep, you would expect to pay, a hostel is no different. I haven't stayed at hostels for years, I can afford motels, and they are 10 times better anyway.

I think every hostel owner should charge $20/night and ask for the money before giving someone a bunk. If you can't afford it, well that's why they make tents. Last year I hiked with this scum bag who didn't pay up at hostels and everyone was looking to say something, no one did, so I had it out with him one night and had to embarrass him in front of 15 other hikers.