Evironmental Terrorism In Maryland

[Dainon]

B) Relegalize overt widespread de jure racial/ethnic segregation in employment and (especially) housing. If neighborhoods no longer went Third World, those that would perceive that moving would restore the neighborhood they agreed to move into would lose that frequent motivation for moving, along with the development it spawns. Do remember this old aphorism (paraphrased from imperfect memory):

"A racially mixed neighborhood is a chronologically-defined, temporary phenomenon. It comes into existence when the first minority moves into a neighborhood, and lasts until the last white moves out."

Still in favor of turning back sprawl and development, eco-types?

My wife and daughter will be interested to know that they turned our neighborbood into a "Third World." That was 10 years ago and I don't know of anyone who has moved out. Thankfully everyone welcomed us.

[orangebug]

Sometimes I wish there was a little emoticon for the jaw dropping, head shaking reaction to racist stupidity.

[minnesotasmith]

Anyone who thinks that whites don't generally move out when their neighborhoods become majority non-white is so completely ignorant of the country they live in, that you'd have to figure they took Womyn's Studies, Environmental Socialism, or the like at one of the inferior U.S. colleges like Harvard, Yale, Berkeley, UW-Madison, etc.

Note that I did not propose doing these things I mentioned. What I did was describe a major force that substantially motivates many Americans to take action that encourages urban sprawl and development, and what it would take (become NK or bring back segregation/controlled borders) to actually make a major change in those phenomena. I further predicted that the leftists on this board would prefer development to bringing back those policies (those honest enough to admit that that is the choice). Any board leftists willing to accept the price for voluntary control of sprawl in the U.S., or not? Just curious...

[Tha Wookie]

We will never end development and you will never end new home construction. The answer is to make sure development is done in the right way. Get involved with land planning in your local community and encourage your community to develop using the new urbanism concepts. It works.

Preaching to the choir, my friend.

I actually admire your suggestion, especially in this wacked thread filled with threats of violence between supposed hikers.

But I do disagree with one thing- we CAN stop development in certain areas. The Nature Conservancy does this every day -they are well funded, yet prioritize areas on ecological significance. So does the existance and continual fight of the ATC.

I can only spectulate why an environmental group didn't buy it. Have you ever tried to raise 11 million dollars?

Read this:

In Athens, GA, I lived in one of the last significant stands of old pine near the city, which is sadly gorging itself on the "green belt" that separates it from Atlanta. I lived in a log cabin built in the early 1900's. The owner of the land had a historically significant restaurant that had started as a b-b-q/lodging place in the the mid 1800's for hunters (charlie williams, owner). There was also a sacred Cherokee spring, where they would meet the Creeks in peaceful talks on the property (for thousands of years).

But the restaurant business, whose revenue was keeping the place protected, started to dwindle after a parcel a couple miles away was developed with a Kmart, Kroger, and gobs of fast-food chains. The owner, Charlie's nephew, made a deal with an environmental group that formed in town just to save the land from development if they could raise the money in 1 year. They only needed 2 million I think. They came up short, but close, after a year. The day after a year, the owner sold the land anyway to someone who promised not to develop the land. The very next day, he turned and sold it to a pathetic little man who drives a big diesel truck and completely leveled the forest to red clay, even next to the Oconee River, with mounds of burning forest. The river still runs red with any rain.

As I picked my guitar on the old planked porch, I could hear the machines and the felling. I watched deer, rabbits, squirrels, birds, foxes and everything else that wasn't rooted or already dead flee into the nearby sparcely forested suburbs. The red-tailed hawks, who flew in tight circles every day over the pond directly behind my cabin, where I cast my line almost daily until the fish started turning up their bellies in the reddening water, were about the only creatures left, harboring themselves in the absolutely massive pines and oaks surrounding the cabin.

I don't know if the hawks are still there, but I have been told that the cabin is. They say it stands naked, in a little island of trophy trees, in a wastland that resembles something only found in wars, volcanoes, and new middle-class house markets.

I dare not return.

So to answer your question, I don't really know why the Sierra Club didn't buy it.

[smokymtnsteve]

we are not limited by your two ignorant choices,,,how about bigots changing to accept other humans..the bigots could become moral.

WWJD?

[Tha Wookie]

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Like yourself, Wookie?

Trust me, you don't need to fill me in on any Abbey.

[minnesotasmith]

"how about bigots changing to accept other humans..the bigots could become moral."
How would it be possible to change the nature of the bigots who join La Raza, the Nation of Islam, the NAACP, etc., who applaud when whites leave an area people similiar to their members dominate?

[Mags]

Trust me, you don't need to fill me in on any Abbey.

Well, so far, it seems to be otherwise. ;-) But, as Steve and I both proved, any person can quote selectively to prove a point.

More importantly though, he's just an author... (though an influential one).

[smokymtnsteve]

MS...some problems R impossible...so heed abbey's advice.

PLEASE STAND FOR THE GOSPEL OF ABBEY!

"There are circumstances in which suicide presents a viable option; a workable alternative; the only sensible solution."

THANKS BE TO ABBEY!


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[smokymtnsteve]

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More importantly though, he's just an author... (though an influential one).

BITE YOUR TONGUE!!!!

[Rocks 'n Roots]

I see some are upset about the threat to human life in the family living in the development. Because of deliberate roll-backs in air quality laws thousands of people will die directly due to air pollution from the recent actions of the pro-development Bush administration. A very subtle slow creep sort of death instead of a flash of burning fire. Land destruction possesses a similar quality.

The 1990's, in the US, experienced the highest rate of land destruction for sprawl ever seen in human history. So far, we are topping that in the 2000's. Meanwhile the earth is showing signs of potentially catastrophic global climate changes that scientists finally agree is mostly stimulated by human causes.


Somebody was writing something about "callous disregard for the truth" or something???

[grandview]

So you applaud arson? I applaud kickin the s**t outa the punks.

i'm with lone wolf...

it's not about dealing out justice, it's about about SELF DEFENSE.

[smokymtnsteve]

it's not about dealing out justice, it's about about SELF DEFENSE.

Yes it is about self-defense...EARTH FIRST!

[grandview]

I guess it falls back on those who fantasize they are Rambo, and those who live another day.

i guess you dont know who you're talking to.....orangebug meet the real john rambo....rambo meet an easy target for a home invasion...

just kidding around a little

[Israel]

Preaching to the choir, my friend.

I actually admire your suggestion, especially in this wacked thread filled with threats of violence between supposed hikers.

But I do disagree with one thing- we CAN stop development in certain areas. The Nature Conservancy does this every day -they are well funded, yet prioritize areas on ecological significance. So does the existance and continual fight of the ATC.

I can only spectulate why an environmental group didn't buy it. Have you ever tried to raise 11 million dollars?

I agree with you on this Wookie- groups can buy land and not develop it or they can even allow the owner of the land to keep their ownership and buy the development rights and keep the property from ever being developed. It takes money, but it does and can work. If you are interested in new urbanism and local developments that are new urbanism in design, email or PM me, there are several great examples in the Atlanta area....one of which is a 2 minute walk from my house.

But Wookie- come to your senses! Don't support or advocate people that break the law and are criminals! What if that was your house, or the house you were moving into? What if your dad or your brother was the builder and they just took a multimillion dollar hit due to cowards that refuse to work in the light of day???

[steve hiker]

I would say that the people destroying the environment are the criminal scum.

You got that right. We need groups like these in the eastern US:

http://www.efn.org/~redcloud/

http://www.ecoecho.org

[zephyr1034]

These vigilante criminal acts cannot be condoned or encouraged no matter how you feel about these so-called “misguided” people’s cause. As the saying goes: “extremism in the defense of virtue is a vice.” The people doing this destruction are cowards and criminal scum.

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We still don't know who did this. In some ways, it fits ELF's modus operandi. However, they are generally quick to claim responsiblity for their actions, and so far they have not done so.

The race thing is a real possiblity. Southern Maryland is like the Deep South in its attitudes, although this is changing as the city expands and brings in new people. But the old ways die hard. Just look at Alabama, which recently voted not to take racism out of its constitution.

We'll have to see what the investigators come up with first.

[smokymtnsteve]

What if your dad or your brother was the builder and they just took a multimillion dollar hit due to cowards that refuse to work in the light of day???

EARTH FIRST not $$$$ First, $$$ first is how our present dysfunctional society operates..the builder was the one who destroyed the bog,,,the builder is only interested in short term profits...and has no morals/ethics,,,why cry over a few million that the eco-destroyer lost...that is only money and can be replaced,,,but once you lose the wetlands they are gone.

[grandview]

[/QUOTE]The race thing is a real possiblity. Southern Maryland is like the Deep South in its attitudes, although this is changing as the city expands and brings in new people. But the old ways die hard. Just look at Alabama, which recently voted not to take racism out of its constitution.

We'll have to see what the investigators come up with first.[/QUOTE]

i don't think it's a fair judgement to imply the deep south as having some sort of inferior attitude. the civil war, unfortunately perhaps, was not waged on moral ideals..the northern US doesn't have a monopoly on virtue. and obiviously racism isn't restricted to one so called race....

in my opinion...

[steve hiker]

If neighborhoods no longer went Third World, those that would perceive that moving would restore the neighborhood they agreed to move into would lose that frequent motivation for moving, along with the development it spawns. "Integration is a chronologically-defined, temporary phenomenon. It comes into existence when the first minority moves into a neighborhood, and lasts until the last white moves out."

You got that right. After decades of breeding blacks like teenage cockroaches with federal welfare money and food (literally), the corn-fed black population has ruined traditional suburbs in places like Atlanta, New Orleans, and DC, causing whites to go further and further out for a decent place to live. The result? Endless development.