Evironmental Terrorism In Maryland

[Blue Jay]

Something like 90% of the forward deployed troops did NOT vote for John Kerry. I wonder if he's ever asked himself why.

Everyone knows why except you. If you think votes for Kerry would survive transport back to the states under our corrupt regime, I've got bridges up and down the AT to sell you. The figures I read were a lot more than 90%, which should tell you something about the state of our "democracy". Clearly they are not even trying to hide the fraud. Kerry cares about as much as the loser of professional wrassling (spelled correctly) match. The whole thing was a scam and not even a good one.

[ripple]

How much for those bridges?

[Blue Jay]

How much for those bridges?

$50 for the small ones (volume discount on 10 or more) and the best deal of all, $100 for the ones over the major rivers such as the James or the Hudson. The one on the Hudson has a toll booth for cars so you'll make back your 100 quickly.

[weary]

Jack is obviously distorting Kerry's involvement for less than honorable purposes. I saw a video of Kerry explaining his reasons for voting and he was clearly begrudgingly doing it only on the grounds of dangerous WMD's presenting a clear and present danger. If you presented an accurate showing of what evidence Bush had before the invasion it included an Israeli report specifically saying Saddam's army was broken and was no threat, nor did he possess any WMD's. I read this report in the Times less than a year before the invasion. It was buried afterwards and hasn't been seen since. National Security Agency reports doubting the existence of WMD's were buried and lost in the White House while Powell was war drumming in front of the cameras. Powell himself said there were no WMD's a year or so earlier. Later Bush fumbled for an excuse, doing a switcho chango to "well, he had the potential to develop WMD's" (please, isn't this the US? so much for US integrity)

Kerry stood no chance of being elected if he went against the US war machine. Only in this current US political climate would people have the hubris to make you explain yourself after having been right all along as if you had done something wrong and owed an explanation. Or why a decorated Vietnam vet would have to explain himself to a Champagne Squadron absentee...

An excellent post. But until some evidence develops my advice is to drop the suspicion that the Maryland arson was environmentally inspired.

Weary

[Rocks 'n Roots]

The Times did an excellent follow-through today on the Hunters Brooke arson case. This act wasn't done by previous environmemental underground groups. It was done by locals who were channeling their domestic frustration.

The group of locals were frustrated blue-collar types seeking an outlet for their frustrations. The Times described the late-night diner hanging-out, dropping out of school, and car racing habits of the group in question. A professional demographic research group had determined that the county in which the event happened was not developing adequate jobs to meet the increasing housing prices or land values. The act was sort of a class division decline protest coupled with local frustrations (including loss of land). Obviously, the subdivision's characterization as environmentally questionable was also involved and probably contributed to their justification of the act.

We probably have some good old boys here who were angry that urban blacks were buying half million dollar houses that were cutting into their countryside and diminishing their quality of life at their expense with no benefit besides dead end jobs. Investigators said searches of the suspects houses turned up no racism evidence or membership in racist groups. My guess is they thought copy-catting recent eco-terrorist actions would partly justify their protests...

[Tha Wookie]

My guess is they thought copy-catting recent eco-terrorist actions would partly justify their protests...

What recent actions would those be? Vandalizing hummers in LA? do tell.

[Jack Tarlin]

Geez, now if you disagree with what someone has written here at Whiteblaze, then you are writing for "less than honorable purposes."

Note to Weary and Rocks: Name-calling is relatively simple, the average nine-year old is quite proficient at it it. But it seldom adds to the dialogue. However, I guess it's useful if you don't feel like actually responding to the truthful comments I made regarding Mr. Kerry's positions, votes, and behavior. Brilliant debating technique! You can't show where I'm wrong, but for having the temerity to disagree with you, I'm "dishonorable."

Well, that's alright. I've been called worse, and by better men, too. But as for the name-calling, keep in mind that it would be relatively easy for me to sink to that level. But I won't. I might harbor the personal sentiment that one of you is a well meaning but boring old duffer with too much time on his hands, and the other is merely a horse's ass with pretensions of intellectualism, but goodness knows I would never actually accuse you of such things on an Internet forum.

For as we all know, to actually come out and say such rude and uncharitable things would be less than honorable.

By the way, guys, I just finished today's paper.

Your candidate still lost.

[TJ aka Teej]

...as for the name-calling, keep in mind that it would be relatively easy for me to sink to that level. But I won't. >snip< ...one of you is a well meaning but boring old duffer with too much time on his hands, and the other is merely a horse's ass with pretensions of intellectualism,

That's quite a flip-flop there, Jack!

[weary]

The Times did an excellent follow-through today on the Hunters Brooke arson case. This act wasn't done by previous environmemental underground groups. It was done by locals who were channeling their domestic frustration.

The group of locals were frustrated blue-collar types seeking an outlet for their frustrations. The Times described the late-night diner hanging-out, dropping out of school, and car racing habits of the group in question. A professional demographic research group had determined that the county in which the event happened was not developing adequate jobs to meet the increasing housing prices or land values. The act was sort of a class division decline protest coupled with local frustrations (including loss of land). Obviously, the subdivision's characterization as environmentally questionable was also involved and probably contributed to their justification of the act.

We probably have some good old boys here who were angry that urban blacks were buying half million dollar houses that were cutting into their countryside and diminishing their quality of life at their expense with no benefit besides dead end jobs. Investigators said searches of the suspects houses turned up no racism evidence or membership in racist groups. My guess is they thought copy-catting recent eco-terrorist actions would partly justify their protests...

You were doing good RnR until your last paragraph. The Times said investigators searched for a racist reason, but could find no evidence.

Essentially, judging by the evidence so far, what happened was what I speculated a hundred or so posts ago: "However, there apparently is a sense of the inevitable in minimum wage circles, that nothing that happens is likely to be much worse than the present."

It's a culture of living in the present. I suspect these guys had never heard of ecoterrorism. They were just getting kicks out of planning a massive vandalism.

I'm afraid we'll see more of the same as this country pursues the twin policy of exporting manufacturing jobs, and of keeping low income jobs as low as possible through the import of third world workers.

The claim, reported daily in the papers and on television, that workers need to be imported because of the many jobs in this country "that Americans won't do," is simply nonsense. People can be found to do any jobs if the pay is high enough.

And the pay would quickly become high enough if we didn't have a policy of importing people willing to work for less than a living wage.

I watched the trend for years in the Maine woods industry. Woods contractors complained for years that they weren't earning enough to break even. Gradually most went out of business. Now the industry complains that it can no longer find the contractors needed to get the wood to their mills.

Don't be mislead by the term contractor. The industry for decades operated under a piece work system. Each worker, each small woods crew were considered independent contractors, thus alleviating the industry from any responsibility for minimum wages, workers compensation, or other benefits.

Weary

[Rocks 'n Roots]

Maybe a rebel last stand of men who were drawing the line between what they would accept and what they were being forced to accept. It's all the same. Sort of like a macro outsourcing of total surroundings and lifestyle that was the last straw. Their humble stamping grounds being destroyed by houses they would never be able to afford. All part of a process they were powerless in but squarely victims of...


My guess is they probably knew a lot more about eco-revolution than you realize...

[Tha Wookie]

Geez, now if you disagree with what someone has written here at Whiteblaze, then you are writing for "less than honorable purposes."

Note to Weary and Rocks: Name-calling is relatively simple, the average nine-year old is quite proficient at it it. But it seldom adds to the dialogue. However, I guess it's useful if you don't feel like actually responding to the truthful comments I made regarding Mr. Kerry's positions, votes, and behavior. Brilliant debating technique! You can't show where I'm wrong, but for having the temerity to disagree with you, I'm "dishonorable."

Well, that's alright. I've been called worse, and by better men, too. But as for the name-calling, keep in mind that it would be relatively easy for me to sink to that level. But I won't. I might harbor the personal sentiment that one of you is a well meaning but boring old duffer with too much time on his hands, and the other is merely a horse's ass with pretensions of intellectualism, but goodness knows I would never actually accuse you of such things on an Internet forum.

For as we all know, to actually come out and say such rude and uncharitable things would be less than honorable.

By the way, guys, I just finished today's paper.

Your candidate still lost.

How ironic, Jack. Who's the nine-year-old?

[orangebug]

... My guess is they probably knew a lot more about eco-revolution than you realize...

We, my bad. You were only guessing! I thought you we channeling.

BTW, how do you feel about living on a barrier island? Mother Nature attempted to remove your community. Why encourage persistant sprawl by rebuilding on a fragile island?

[weary]

Note to Weary .... : Name-calling is relatively simple, the average nine-year old is quite proficient at it it. But it seldom adds to the dialogue. However, I guess it's useful if you don't feel like actually responding to the truthful comments I made regarding Mr. Kerry's positions, votes, and behavior. .... I might harbor the personal sentiment that one of you is a well meaning but boring old duffer with too much time on his hands, and the other is merely a horse's ass with pretensions of intellectualism, but goodness knows I would never actually accuse you of such things on an Internet forum.
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Ah. Jack. I don't recall calling anyone names. I am quite sure that some, probably most, find my comments boring. They are just things I think that need to be said, and almost always in response to a comment by others that struck me as wrong. I could, of course, use invective, but I prefer to use facts and reason.

No. I'm not going to rehash the election, though from time to time, I do offer an occasional fact in response to comments that strike me as a bit nonsensical.

As for too much time, I have too little. My occasional comment in these forums are mostly frivolous interludes between more serious writing and comments. My more serious efforts have helped raise $200,000 since last summer for the two land trusts I helped found -- one to acquire special wild places in my home town, and the second to provide buffers for the narrow corridor that forms the Appalachian Trail through Maine.

So far my town friends and neighbors appear more dedicated to their local "wildlands," than the trail community is to the far away Maine trail. People think of Maine as the most remote and wildest section of the entire trail. It is that. But it is also the most threatened section.

But I remain confident that we will repay the mortgage that the Maine Appalachian Trail Land Trust has assumed to purchase 1,200 acres adjacent to the trail corridor on Saddleback and an equal amount on the summit ridge of Abraham, one of the small cluster of 4,000-foot mountains through which the trail passes in this state.

For those who may wish to help, our web site is

www.matlt.org

Weary, who leaves in three minutes for seven hour meeting of the executive committee of the Maine Appalachian Trail Club, the group that maintains the 273 Maine miles of the AT.