it depends who
im so anal about the enviroment NO
Funny that people still think you need some kind of a degree to know something.
I had a meeting with the most popular web-designer on the island here in Phuket a few weeks ago. When we finished, i told him that i wish i could go back to university and learn some of this stuff like CSS and Jumla and PHP etc.
He said: "do you think i am a college graduate?" I said "of course" he said "i learned everything i know by looking it up on google.
I think a university education will become not so important anymore.
Keep it coming Weary. YOur posts are always interesting and usually enlightening. degree or whatever.
I agree. Anyone can be a scientist.
A university degree is just a symptom.
Very original! I couldn't find the same quote on Google.
But what is it a symptom of?
Anyone else heard the addage that BS stands for what you anticipate, MS -> more of the same.
And PHD -> Piled Higher and Deeper
(MD -> More Dung)
i was told in one of my outdoor courses that biodegradable soap only degrades on land not in a stream. they said to get wet, take a collapsible bucket of water away from the stream, lather up and rinse off on land not in the stream. repeat as necessary. The nylon bucket i have weighs next to nothing and was cheap. i think it's made by coughlans.
see ya'll UP the trail!
I take a cookpot and fill it with water from a stream, walk away from the stream, and wash and rinse. I also take advantage of a heavy rain (if it's not too cold), and take a shower (again, away from water sources).\
I have been known to jump into a river or lake unwashen occasionally. I think the soap is more of a problem than the sweat and trail dirt.
I use a water filter. I might have other feelings if I drank it straight or chemically treated water.
As I live, declares the Lord God, I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that the wicked turn back from his way and live. Ezekiel 33:11
Did Adam and Eve rest on the first Sabbath? Scripture only says that God did. Are we thinking yet?
Am I the only one? Please tell me I'm not. Anyone else wash up in a similar manner?
Sorry folks I am not going to read all the posts - the primary ingredient is Sodium hydroxide, its the more expensive caustic soda because it is less harmful to the environment. My suggestion in future is to worry a little less about polluting the environment, The Chinese are doing a far better job by following our example by joining us in the burning of millions of tons of cheap coal to create electricity without the use of important scrubbers.
The Ivory soap bar (classic) contains: sodium tallowate, sodium cocoate or sodium palm kernelate, water, sodium chloride, sodium silicate, magnesium sulfate, and fragrance.
Sodium Tallowate is lye,
Sodium hydroxide does not bioaccumulate due to its high solubility in water. It is considered slightly toxic to aquatic organisms unless there is a significant pH shift outside the range of 5 – 10; this change may be toxic to aquatic organisms. ie dumping a very large quantity of soap
I am not 100 percent of the answer... I just don't see the harm to aquatic life vs stinking up the next trail town. Enjoy. Join the Chinese in keeping clean, I suspect bathing was invented by them.
There was an Old Man with a owl,
Who continued to bother and howl;
He sat on a rail, And imbibed bitter ale,
Which refreshed that Old Man and his owl. . WOO <Audio
don't use no filter, clean thyself whenever necessary. common sense would tell most people that if you're not using a filter or some chemical you most likely wouldn't want to get water where there is a creek large enough to submerge oneself in. walk up stream from established campsites, maybe on a smaller tributary, small enough that you couldn't submerge oneself in and get water there.
i live on the chattahoochee river in northeast georgia, several miles below the tourist trap of helen, which sees millions of tubers in the summer time and also dumps treated human waste in the river just south of town. i had the water tested here just for kicks, in the summer time a few years ago. you can drink it too.
don't like logging? try wiping with a pine cone.
If A Bear Washes His Balls In A Stream So Can I
Hmmm... At the top of the page - the poll asked if it bothered me if hikers bathed in streams - and I voted no - because it hasn't. After reading the back and forths though - and considering my views on conservation and LNT - I'd vote yes next time.
(at least I admitted to being a flip-flopper!)
I do carry one of Sea to Summits superlight/compact water bucket and carry it back to camp / shelter to filter from. I hardly ever do a full body bathe on trail - but I see no reason I couildn't "do my thing" in a private spot away from a water source utilizing the bucket (I know they make a version of the bucket with a tiny little plastic showerhead underneath as well (size of a button) so you can hang it (but it's not heavy-like the car-camping showers most people know).
However, I'll vote for just soaking in the water to cool off - no soap - and waiting for the next town for a real shower or bathe !
like a person bathing is going to be grosser than years of collected fish/crawdad poop.
Hi. I'm Bacon, he's Hot Dogs, and we're here for the Mountain Dew.
If soap, then away from the water.
But no phosphates and no detergents.
The phosphates are harmful, killing beneficial micro-organisms.
Detergents can kill everything in a puddle, a pond, a small lake because the detergent molecule stands on end depriving the water of oxygen.
The natural way to wash-up, is wood ash on your own sweat-oils and rinse.
Not every wood ash. Some wood ash is to be avoided.
I mention this, because I detect some people in the thread want to be natural as well as au natural.
The wood ash on sweat-oils and rinse is natural.
Phosphates and detergents are not.
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for the record i don't bring or use any soap at all, it is pointless. you just get dirty again, and the constant rain seems to do the trick. as far as washing pots goes, if you haven't licked that thing clean- you haven't hiked enough.