So either camp before or after the five miles. If it means you can't walk through there with a regular food bag then that is just silly.
Everything is in Walking Distance
The reg is just for overnighters. http://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/conf/n...TELPRDB5351877Originally Posted by bamboo bob
The simple solution is to have the self appointed purveyors of "trail magic" to put away their coolers and and beer and hot dogs and instead pass out bear cans.
Then when the hiker gets to Neels Gap, they can turn in the bear can in exchange for the jesus burgers they are starving for.
You don’t need God—to hope, to care, to love, to live.
Very good idea
Everything is in Walking Distance
P.S.
For those that might have missed it on the actual rule notice;
It is effect seasonally until June 1st 2016
You don’t need God—to hope, to care, to love, to live.
This post was presented like some sort of game changer for hikers. I call BS on that. If you can't adapt to this little curve ball how the hell do you expect to make it to Maine?
Either hike thru or use a bear resistant food container in the area mentioned like the Forest Service says.
Last edited by Spokes; 02-09-2012 at 14:36.
"Fish Camp Woman.... Baby, I like the way you smell"
- Unknown Hinson
I just called the FS at (706) 745-6928 and ask for a ruleing to use a Ursack with Opsak. The lady I spoke with did not know about the Ursack, and said she would look it up and take the information the the person who makes the decision. I let you know what I am told. It may help if many of you called and voice your concern about having to carry a Bear Vault.
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"Going to the woods is going home" - John Muir
Yeah definately not a game changer. Just a poorly written rule. I am used to the large area camping bans on the NJ AT that arent done for any reason other than because they say so. So this isnt new, just new for that area. And as another posted said its better than knocking down the 2-3 shelters in the area and having an actual no camping designation.
-Why just 5 miles?
-Because that 5 miles sees way more activity than just thru-hikers, it sees more day-hikers and weekenders than almost any other section of the AT in GA. Even Day hikers create some of the problem with the trash etc and weekenders are a BIIIG chunk of the problem. Thur-hikers and LDH can, and usually do breeze right through, I mean how many thru's actually stay at Blood? If the bears do move, it will be to a place with less weekender traffic and hopefully fewer of the problems that weekenders bring with them.
-Why no bear boxes?
-Because the people who already pack out other people's trash don't think its a good idea. Its been done in the south before and the amount of crap that builds up in bear boxes is amazing. Bear cables are getting to be the same way too, who hasn't come across some mystery bag hanging on them? Right now there is some guy going from bear cable to bear cable stealing all of the hardware, so they have problems with their own.
The only true solution is personal responsibility.
We could all mount a social media frenzy attack. Heck it's been used to overthrow Middle East governments in the past.....
It ain't over till we say it's over! Anyone with me? Niedermeyer !!!!!!!!
Last edited by Spokes; 02-09-2012 at 15:19.
"Fish Camp Woman.... Baby, I like the way you smell"
- Unknown Hinson
to get people to pack out their own trash?
You really want to hike to Maine or go car camping instead?
"Fish Camp Woman.... Baby, I like the way you smell"
- Unknown Hinson
Yup, saw this earlier.............just checking WB before I head out, so.................
...............what we do is every WB member kicks in 50 cents, we purchase X number of bear canisters, leave half to the North and half to the South, honor system, load 'em up and drop them off at the other end. If it gets out of balance..............someone volunteer to divvy them back up 50/50.
How much of that 50 cent kick in will cover the BBQ and beer tab while we talk it over?
"Fish Camp Woman.... Baby, I like the way you smell"
- Unknown Hinson
kind of strange the ATC hasn't updated the "Trail Updates" on their website.
"The aim of science is to make difficult things understandable in a simpler way; the aim of poetry is to state simple things in an incomprehensible way. The two are incompatible."
-- Paul Dirac
From the website: "Bear-resistant canisters trap odors inside, eliminating the lure of food, and they are designed to be tamper-resistant against extreme force."
I'm no expert on bear canisters, but I've seen at least one which in no way could trap odors inside. It takes odor-proof bags (and you can't get any food smells on the outside of them while packing meals or preparing them in the field, or it defeats the purpose.
I purchased several OP sacks a few years ago, but they didn't hold up to boiling water very well.
Most of the accidental bear feedings will probably be from weekenders and/or newbies who haven't had a bear raid their food or food of another person that they know. It wouldn't take much: A couple of guys with some food and a bottle camp at or near the shelter, cook food, leave dirty dishes around, hit the bottle and pass out with all that lovely food hanging around.
Solution as many have said is bear boxes.
As I live, declares the Lord God, I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that the wicked turn back from his way and live. Ezekiel 33:11
Did Adam and Eve rest on the first Sabbath? Scripture only says that God did. Are we thinking yet?
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As I live, declares the Lord God, I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that the wicked turn back from his way and live. Ezekiel 33:11
Did Adam and Eve rest on the first Sabbath? Scripture only says that God did. Are we thinking yet?
Winston puts up the overflow in his cabins (I assuming they're his). Plus there is some tent camping spots up the hill behing MC.
Oops! My bad. I didn't renew my membership (out of work).
It's the negative trickle down effect.
As I live, declares the Lord God, I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that the wicked turn back from his way and live. Ezekiel 33:11
Did Adam and Eve rest on the first Sabbath? Scripture only says that God did. Are we thinking yet?
I'm thinking it was an oversight and they were only talking about the hardcase containers in their directive, but I'll bet if they do check campsites (I know, almost zero chance of this happening) 9/10 rangers would probably accept the ursack, especially if you have the liner. But I'd be interested in their response, just out of curiosity. I wonder how many rangers even know what a ursack is.
"The aim of science is to make difficult things understandable in a simpler way; the aim of poetry is to state simple things in an incomprehensible way. The two are incompatible."
-- Paul Dirac
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