I am heading for Springer tomorrow for a long section hike. I have been very careful about my weight and was shooting for 30 lbs. But the pack comes in at 36 lbs, including 4 days of food and 1 liter of water. I keep hearing of people hiking with 20 or 25 lbs and I am amazed. Not sure how to get there. But at this point, it is what it is.