Any other pipe smokers on the Trail?

[Rasty]

Maybe a grin...and only demi-evil.

I smoke pipes and cigars, in moderation, but only sealed in my car or on my back porch. I am afraid of those crass anti smoking zealots...afraid of what I might say to them anyway. I would like to be nice, would love to stay in my happy place, but some folk seem go out of their way to be indignantly righteous.

Serenity Now!

Nope, didn't work. Have a cigar.

My dad is always banging his pipe against something to clean it out, maybe try that with the zealots?

[ChinMusic]

Have a cigar.

You're gonna go far..........

[coreybv]

. If I can smell it in the shelter area they are in the wrong.

Am I the only one who sees the irony in a long distance hiker complaining about somebody else's bad odors?

[ChinMusic]

Am I the only one who sees the irony in a long distance hiker complaining about somebody else's bad odors?

It would be an irony if both were a choice. Smoking is not a normal bodily process.

[pervy_sage]

It would be an irony if both were a choice. Smoking is not a normal bodily process.

Nor is the use of perfumes, deodorants, soap, incense, laundry detergents, air "fresheners" or a multitude of other things (including camp fires and iso-butane stoves) likely to be in and around a shelter that give off volatile organic compounds (VOCs) that for some people can be just as unhealthy as tobacco smoke. Your brand new synthetic sleeping bag is probably out-gassing chemicals like crazy. Even supposed "organic" products put out potentially unhealthy VOCs. It is inescapable, which is why your body has mechanisms to eliminate and remediate the bad stuff you may come into contact with.

[ChinMusic]

Nor is the use of perfumes, deodorants, soap, incense, laundry detergents, air "fresheners" or a multitude of other things (including camp fires and iso-butane stoves) likely to be in and around a shelter that give off volatile organic compounds (VOCs) that for some people can be just as unhealthy as tobacco smoke. Your brand new synthetic sleeping bag is probably out-gassing chemicals like crazy. Even supposed "organic" products put out potentially unhealthy VOCs. It is inescapable, which is why your body has mechanisms to eliminate and remediate the bad stuff you may come into contact with.

Agree to a lesser degree on perfumes. But I view your claims on synthetic bags as noxious.

If you don't like a campfire, it is simple, stay away from campfires. To compare that to cigarettes is just foolish.

[pervy_sage]

Agree to a lesser degree on perfumes. But I view your claims on synthetic bags as noxious.

If you don't like a campfire, it is simple, stay away from campfires. To compare that to cigarettes is just foolish.

Never expressed like or dislike for anything. Only stating a fact of living in a world full of chemical reactions be they man made or natural. If you look back, I think I posted a link to a study on pine trees and what they expel for pollutants.

Every man made material releases various gases post manufacture. What those gases are depends on the process, and the material being made. That is why your new car has a new car smell. Given enough time, the amount of these gases diminish to levels undetectable to our noses, but may still be present. Last I check, synthetic bags are made from synthetic materials. If your bag smells like nothing, then you are lucky and the material has mostly out-gassed.

If you can smell it, then some chemical is floating around in the air you are breathing. What the levels are and if those levels are sufficient to be harmful can only be determined by air quality testing. I would hope people find it obvious that if you stand in a cloud of smoke, it is probably not healthy for you.

Perfumes are specifically made to disperse chemicals into the air to mask other odors, making them more chemically reactive and thus having more potential for doing harm.

And I'm baffled how you find it foolish to compare burning wood (a plant) to burning tobacco (also a plant). Yes, there are slight differences like trees not having nicotine in them, but in general the fumes given off will be rather similar and just as toxic. The campfire will be worse if folks toss in their plastic food wrappers and other synthetic trash.

[hikerboy57]

not an issue. for the past two weeks i have not heard a single complaint about anyone lighting up near the shelters or otherwise.i would roll up a cigarete, walk away fromthe shelter to light up, and several times, people who didnt smoke told me they had no problem with it if i wanted to sit closer.
again, its nowhere near the issue we make it out to be here on WB. people find a way to get along.at last in the northeast. cant say for down south, havent been there yet.

[ChinMusic]

I think I posted a link to a study on pine trees and what they expel for pollutants.

OMG, I can only take so much.............

[pervy_sage]

I think I posted a link to a study on pine trees and what they expel for pollutants.

OMG, I can only take so much.............

Calm down, have a smoke.

[ChinMusic]

Calm down, have a smoke.

I have just made a mental note not to bother taking you seriously.

Bringing in "pine trees pollute" in the context of smokers near shelters says it all.

I'll have a Diet Coke (no doubt highly polluting......)

[hikerboy57]

I have just made a mental note not to bother taking you seriously.

Bringing in "pine trees pollute" in the context of smokers near shelters says it all.

I'll have a Diet Coke (no doubt highly polluting......)

be careful of those artificial sweeteners. the jurys still out you know
pour some on the hood of your cr and watch the magic!its gotta be just as good for your body.

[ChinMusic]

be careful of those artificial sweeteners. the jurys still out you know
pour some on the hood of your cr and watch the magic!its gotta be just as good for your body.

Just grilled a burger outside. I'm killing the neighbors..............sigh

[pervy_sage]

I have just made a mental note not to bother taking you seriously.

Bringing in "pine trees pollute" in the context of smokers near shelters says it all.

I'll have a Diet Coke (no doubt highly polluting......)

I am always serious when it comes to science and reason, which apparently really annoys people.

Not my intention.

My very serious point was that we are swimming in a sea of airborne chemicals, both man made and natural. Fretting over one cig that wanders briefly into ones immediate world, to me, lacks perspective. I would actually worry more about the mold and mouse poo under the shelter than a single person smoking outside the shelter.

[Mountaintop]

I smoke a pipe and haven't had any complaints from any of the hikers I encounter(ed). It's really just common sense though. Respect other people's space and you will be fine.

[ATMountainTime]

Im on occasional cigarette smoker, and occasionally do on the trail, escpecially if theres some cold foamy beverage consumption after a long day....i dont smoke in a shelter, nor near others. I tend to go away 30-50 yards. However if i do in my tent, it's my buisness. If you come up on my while I am, I see that ive done my part.

Id expect and hope for the same in shelters but my expirience has been mixed, sometimes there's rowdies smoking the cheeb, drinking etc...if i show some respect, its my hope they will too,

[ChinMusic]

I am always serious when it comes to science and reason, which apparently really annoys people.

Not my intention.

My very serious point was that we are swimming in a sea of airborne chemicals, both man made and natural. Fretting over one cig that wanders briefly into ones immediate world, to me, lacks perspective. I would actually worry more about the mold and mouse poo under the shelter than a single person smoking outside the shelter.

I don't give a crap about the minor risks associated with smelling a cigarette, mouse poo, or a "pine tree".

The former makes ANY enjoyment I might be having at the time to instantly leave. Being that it is a personal choice made by an individual that diminishes my enjoyment, I take it personal. Take your habit elsewhere. If you are smoking and I walk up to YOU, then it is on ME.

I have ZERO problem with people smoking. I DO have a problem of them choosing to do so around me.

It is an enjoyment issue and not a health issue as far as I am concerned.

[pervy_sage]

I don't give a crap about the minor risks associated with smelling a cigarette, mouse poo, or a "pine tree".

The former makes ANY enjoyment I might be having at the time to instantly leave. Being that it is a personal choice made by an individual that diminishes my enjoyment, I take it personal. Take your habit elsewhere. If you are smoking and I walk up to YOU, then it is on ME.

I have ZERO problem with people smoking. I DO have a problem of them choosing to do so around me.

It is an enjoyment issue and not a health issue as far as I am concerned.

Ok, you just lost all credibility. At least the health argument was a valid concern.

You are essentially stating that aesthetics and your personal enjoyment are what matter, and if it doesn't meet your approval them they should leave. So it follows that if you don't like their clothing, or their laugh, or anything that detracts from YOUR pleasure, then they should be in their way.

Cool, so when someone comes to the shelter in a blazing lime green fleece jacket, I can tell em to hike on because they are offending my senses.

Grow up.

[ChinMusic]

Ok, you just lost all credibility. At least the health argument was a valid concern.

You are essentially stating that aesthetics and your personal enjoyment are what matter, and if it doesn't meet your approval them they should leave. So it follows that if you don't like their clothing, or their laugh, or anything that detracts from YOUR pleasure, then they should be in their way.

Cool, so when someone comes to the shelter in a blazing lime green fleece jacket, I can tell em to hike on because they are offending my senses.

Grow up.

WOW, and you claim to be "logical"

First: Bring polluting pine trees into a discussion about smoking
Second: Bring clothing styles into a discussion about smoking

And I need to "grow up"? Look in a mirror pal.

[pervy_sage]

WOW, and you claim to be "logical"

First: Bring polluting pine trees into a discussion about smoking
Second: Bring clothing styles into a discussion about smoking

And I need to "grow up"? Look in a mirror pal.

A)Apparently we have different definitions for "logical" which I did not claim. I did claim to be reasonable, which ended the moment your "reasoning" went south.

B) If you read the article I mentioned (from Princeton BTW) instead of dismissing it outright, then maybe you would learn something.

C) You brought up the concept of offending ones sense of smell. I mearly expanded it to the other appropriate senses to demonstrate the limitations of your idea. A test of reason, so to speak.

My mirror looks just fine, and quite reasonable if I do say so myself.