hahaha, sadly i remember that thread better than whatever hikes I took around the same timeOriginally Posted by tdoczi
If you feel you're accomplishing something with such snark, you're sadly mistaken. If you need it for your own sake, I pity you.
The more miles, the merrier!
NH4K: 8/48: NEHH: 10/100; AT: 63.9/2184
i apparently amused tom murphy, that was accomplishment enough for me : )
what if it happened in this order. 1:30 fell broke hip, crawled and called 911, went to setup tent and lost it (wouldn't be hard, not like he could jump up and chase it), crawled in bag and waited.
IF he did not break hip would of he been able to make it out or was he doomed to be rescued anyway?
Do not walk behind me, for I may not lead. Do not walk ahead of me, for I may not follow. Do not walk beside me, either, just leave me alone.
--unknown
Hmm, please note that date on my orignal post http://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/show...-Mt-Washington.
In the morning in Gorham (about 30 miles NE) the sun was shining, there was a light breeze and there were only high clouds coming in from the west. It wasnt until late morning when the winds picked up and the summits started clouding in. THe articels dont say whihc way he was goin but I expect eh was doign a Pemi Loop Counter clockwise. My guess is he planned on staying at Liberty Springs that night and then out via Osseo the next day but he also could be heading to Liberty for the evening and then down tthe AT to I93. If he was walking CCW, he probably started at Garfield and was in good weather until he dropped into the woods. Heading up the ridge trail from Garfield he would have been sheltered from the strong SW winds by Lafayette. Once on Lafayette he would have been staring into the wind and would have been raining. Its real easy to not think clearly in those conditions. His choice would be head directly into the wind down Lafayette via Old Bridal Path to Greenleaf hut or keep heading down the ridge to Liberty. Since his plan might have been Liberty Springs, he may have elected to hike the ridge as once he was at Haystack he was in the woods.
It all depends on which way he was going at the time. If he was headed towards Liberty Springs, had he made it it would have been a rough night, but he would have gotten through it. If he was headed towards Lafayette, he would have been in trouble as it would have been a long way to go in the thick of the storm to get to anywhere with shelter. When the wind starts to blow you around and the rocks are slick with rain, it's real easy to get hurt up there.
As usual, these stories never give enough detail to know the how and why.
Last edited by Slo-go'en; 09-19-2012 at 17:42.
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If anyone is interested, here is a link to the first part of my daughter's thru hike in '09 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVDEy2GWfqg At the 7 min mark there is a video of Franconia Ridge weather which was pretty tough, it was taken on July 4th!
The articles don't exactly say Sobo or Nobo, but this lends itself to a very serious question :
If he passed up an opportunity to seek refuge at Greenleaf hut wouldn't that suffice to say be considered reckless endangerment ?
I hope not but just saying...
Think OUTSIDE....no box required.
for the same reasons the rescuers didnt bring him back therehe was probably too far along to turn back safely, and we dont know exactly where and when he got hurt in relation to the rescue.greenleaf isnt on the trail itself, so if he didnt stop there beefore, would have had little knowledge of the weather approaching.
its all good
Speculation is a bit ridiculous without necessary information. This happens with climbing accidents all the time and the reporting is even worse. You can't accuse the guy of being reckless, naive, clueless etc without knowing the details of how things went. All we know is that he was hiking, got hurt, got stuck in bad weather and needed a rescue. Wish the guy good luck on his extensive recovery and hope you never end up in the same situation.
Haha!! jakedatc... how could u read my mind? You just wrote exactly what I was thinking, as I kept reading this thread. I couldn't bring myself to disrupt all their speculation comments.... LOL!! They seemed to be enjoying it so much!!Too funny!! I'm glad the guy was rescued...
Trust me.. having read dozens of climbing accident reports the last 12 years i've been climbing, unless someone involved steps up with info there is not much you can do to figure out what went on. since this guy was alone it makes it even less likely info will come out unless it's published in ANAM
WOW!
What a rescue, Kudo's to all that helped out.
I used to serve on a SAR team, this would have been a tough one. New Hampshire, 80 MPH, heavy rain.............not sure what the guy weighed but this was a GREAT WIN!
FWIW, In the Whites the definitive accident/incident reviews were always here: http://www.outdoors.org/publications/appalachia/
Cool, well maybe we'll hear more about this one eventually then.
http://www.unionleader.com/article/2...862/0/NEWS0606
More Details.. not really in favor of him really.
alright the jurys back in, grab some popcorn!
unbeleivable job by the rescuers. thanks jake for posting the story.
its all good
This is a good warning not just about mountain weather, but about the powerful impulse to keep pressing on. That little voice in your head saying "this is a bad idea" needs to be listened to, sometimes.
"It's fun to have fun, but you have to know how." ---Dr. Seuss
Youre right bill but you need to listen to that voice all the time.your instinct to survive is uncannily right.
its all good
like when you eat **** and some how "lose" your tent? when the weather report for one of the worst places to be in weather looks like crap? <4mi in a whole day.. in good weather and no mountains then thinks he's going to get up, across and down 3 4k's in bad weather? AND he had done the loop before.. so he knew what was involved.
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