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Published by chris
02-01-2005 |
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#1
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SGT Rock
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02-01-2005, 13:22
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I like the way it is laid out. Does this include stuff you brought but got rid of? I think something like that at the end of the list would be good, plus a "why" as to the reason you dumped it. I can see changes you would make now and the "why" and I like it.
I like the footware article and I think that should be a separate thing.Just my opinion. I have been putting some thoughts into the gear list thing for newbies, since the feedback was to be specific, yet we all know there are some who want a tent, some who want tarps, a few into bivies, and a few into hammocks, maybe there should be sample lists of these separate types. It just seems to me that some things like variations in clothing, stoves, pots, and such are fairly minor and can be addressed in specific articles on such matters. I feel that the basic differences in packing style can be defined by the shelter and how someone builds the rest of their sleeping system around that. Does that seem off base? |
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#2
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Moose2001
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02-01-2005, 14:07
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Rock...I would suggest building three seperate gear lists.....Ultralight, Light, and Moderate. Flesh each out with typical gear. Build in some rational on why those gear selections work. A "newbie" would have a "template" to work from or they could pick and choose between the lists.
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#3
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SGT Rock
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02-01-2005, 14:19
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Well my assumption was anyone planning would automatically go to the light (get it?
) but the choices of how to get there can be influenced a lot just by material and brand selection as to how to make weights. The mechanics of the different systems was more what I was talking about. Again, does this make sense? |
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#4
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chris
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02-01-2005, 15:06
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I think there will be quite a bit of overlap between hammock and tarp users, but far less with tent users. A "traditional" gear list might be nice, but I certainly don't have one. I would guess that the most reliable way to differentiate packing styles is the pack itself. Chances are, if you are using a Gearskin, you have dialed in your gear fairly well already.
I didn't really have to drop anything on my hike, but I did lose some things and add some things. I lost my companion and maps when my bounce bucket got lost in the mail and so I bought a copy of Wingfoot and sent home my compass. I know Sgt. Rock has done this a few times, but yet another $300 challenge list would be good. That is, a complete, functional, and safe gear list for moderate AT weather than can be put together (without having to make a lot of stuff) for $300 or less. |
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#5
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SGT Rock
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02-01-2005, 16:21
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We could move the $300 back up or at least link it in the article.
I also tend to agree with the overlap on tarps and tents, but some things like weather shields and under quilts are special to the hammock while bug bivies and the like are particular to the tarper. Mountain Dew can probably make the list for the heavy/traditional hiker. You nailed the tarp list, but I would like to see the list come from someone that used a Hammock for an entire thru-hike to see how they did it. I'm not so sure about the backpack thought, at least for me that isn't the way it usually works. I tend to think of the backpack as the last item in consideration after figuring out what all my other stuff should look like. Then find the pack that carries it comfortably and efficiently. Talking with Baltimore Jack last year about packs he mentioned that this is why a lot of people tear up an ultralight pack - because they get a pack without considering it's true weight capacity, like trying to carry 30 pounds in a Golite or 40 pounds in a Ghost. |
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#6
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chris
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02-01-2005, 16:25
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I see what you were getting at. I do think a hammock specific list would be good. For example, in the sleeping and hauling section of the list that I posted, the hammock user would have rather different equipment and this should be reflected. I don't know anything about hammocks, so can't really comment on them.
So, for those of you keeping score, some helpful things would be: 1) A $300 (or at least inexpensive) gear list. 2) A hammock specific list. 3) A traditional list. Also, comments on alternative bits of gear. Gear is a personal thing and what works for me might not work for others. Please add. |
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#7
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SGT Rock
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02-01-2005, 16:51
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OK, now I think you and I are tracking. The $300 list is done, and there are a few of those for people to look at.
How about this: a base gear list as a primer, then a branch of gear lists. The base list would be generic to the point of saying shelter, t-shirt, etc without getting too specific. My though is that there is more than one tarper out there, more than one traditionalist, more than one hammock hanger, etc. Say something like three of each that can be compared? Then again I may be over thinking this. Lets hear from the newbies, imagine a base list, then a few of each type that you can look at to see how different people can attack things different ways? Or is this too confusing? |
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#8
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The Solemates
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02-01-2005, 16:58
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I'd be happy to add my list. And you can classify me as a "heavier ultralight" if there is such a thing. My pack (with food and water) for a 5 day trip in the summer (down to 60F) is about 23-25lbs, in the winter its 33-35lbs (down to 0F).
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#9
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chris
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02-01-2005, 17:01
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I like your idea, but think that a web page would be a better setting for it, rather than a thread based one. For example, the base list would have links from the Shelter entry to something like: Tent, Tarp, Hammock, Bivy, None.
From Tent the link would go to something with more specific information. And so on. This would be a lot of work, however, and would require updates. New hikers, again, are ESPECIALLY encouraged to comment and question. |
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#10
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SGT Rock
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02-01-2005, 17:11
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I agree Chris, and this was something more along the lines of my thought. An article with a base list that was very generic, and then links in it to the various articles with individual lists in it. So the base list would talk about layering, shelter choices, etc, then the example lists like yours would be available with a write up of maybe why you chose certain items or changed certain items. Sort of like what you hit on with your ideas that you would change next time.
And certainly, lets hear from the newbies in the planning stage: What do you want? |
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#11
By
Whistler
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02-01-2005, 21:53
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I think it would be helpful to make each gear list "hike the trail." You could possible frame the lists similarly to Rock's website, referencing average regional weather along the trail, and then track the changes you would probably want to make for each 'style' or basic list. It would help immensely to put things into context:
Gear List for NOBO AT Hammock User Georgia. March. Lows in 20s, Highs in 70s. [extreme: teens and 80s] [insert basic suggested gear list] Virginia. June. Lows in 60s, Highs in 90s. [extreme: 40s and 100s] [suggestions for things to send home or pick up] Massachusetts. August. [etc.] Constant carried gear, like the 7/10/12 essentials, a practical first aid package, and knick-knacks could make for a separate article. E.g. "Don't bring an axe." "Bring 10 feet of duct tape." Those are my thoughts for now........ -Mark |
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#12
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The Solemates
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02-02-2005, 09:38
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#13
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chris
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02-02-2005, 09:51
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However, just because I don't do much gear swapping doesn't mean others find it useful. So, if you did some swapping, even of an item of two, please bark it out. |
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#14
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Ford Prefect
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04-29-2005, 09:05
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You want a newbies opinion? You got it.
If you are gearing a list towards 'newbies', you might want to define what you mean by newbie. Does 'newbie' mean: (1) someone looking to complete their first thru, but has a bit of weekend/week experience? (2) someone looking to complete their first thru, but has absolutely noexperience? (3) someone who has some experience under their belt, but is looking for better ideas? (4) or someone who wants to start packing, but really has no clue where to start? I think the $300 list is a great place to start for those who could be described in (3) and (4) above, but a more 'in-depth' list (or seperate page) would do better for those in the (1) and (2) catagories. And I think chris' catagories at the start of this list is as good of a place to start as any. Under hauling and sleeping, there could be links to sub-cat page(s) that give options (hammocks, bivys, etc.). But to reiterate, I think a $300 list is a great start for (what I consider to be) the real 'newbies'. Perhaps a "How to sleep outside for under $300." page. And for what it's worth, I'd classify myself as somewhere between (3) and (4) above. I have a bit of experience (from WAY back in Boy Scouts), and am currently looking into getting back outside. - FP |
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#15
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Doctari
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04-30-2005, 12:02
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I am slowly heading to Lightweight. Will probably never go UL, but from an inital pack wt (not FSO) of over 55 Lbs, my current FSO of 28 Lbs is UL to me
As a "Moderate weight" packer here is my gear list as of last night's re-pack, I don't know most of the weights, will work on that someday. I also didn't list food.:Backpack: Kelty “Brisbane” (Model discontinued) 2.5 Lbs Platypus water bladder with hose & bite valve 3 Oz? Water bottle: Gatorade bottle, 0.75 Ltr 2 Oz? Water filter: first need 15 Oz Polar pure (back up for filter) 2Oz? Tent: Nomad (original version), stakes; 3 aluminum, poles: Easton aluminum (included with tent), ground cloth: Painters drop cloth cut to size. 1 Lb 15 Oz Trekking poles: Black Diamond ski poles 2.3 Lbs total. Headlight & Spare batteries: Petzel 4 Oz 2 “Bic” Lighters & 4 books Matches in zip lock Fuel bottle: used coke bottle Sleeping bag* (in stuff sack AND plastic bag) (I need a new one, still undecided) Sleeping pad: “Old reliable” Blue ensolite, cut to size 10 Oz Pillow: 8” x 8” fleece pillow case, “water wings” w sections separated 4 Oz Cook set: aluminum, from Big lots. Scrubby: plastic bag/netting from a cooked ham Spoon: Coleman “Camp spoon” 15 Oz Stove; Homemade alcohol stove 1 Oz Windscreen” sheet of aluminm 1/2 Oz Potholder 2 Oz Pot cozy: Old ensolite pad cut to size, held together by duct tape. 2 Oz? Driver’s license / ID. Insurance card TOILET PAPER & hand wipes: Nuff said. Clothing to wear: · Kilt: home made, Wool / Poly 13 Oz (I know, heavy, oh well) · Shirt: Under Armour. 4 Oz? · Bandanna #1 (1 Oz for 2) · Wool socks 2 Oz? · Boots: Asolo, discontinued model. 3 Lbs pair · Ball cap, nylon (mine has attached ear “sun shields”) Clothing: · Sleeping shirt (long sleeve: winter. short sleeve: spring, summer, fall) 4 Oz? · Wool sweater vest: from thrift store. 9 Oz · Nylon Panty hose (Yea, laugh, I would, but it works) Below 1 Oz · Rain jacket: Totes, discontinued model 4 Oz · Rain pants: discontinued brand. 8 Oz · Wool socks 2 Oz? · Bandanna #2 · Fingerless wool gloves winter 2 Oz? · Camp shoes: another chance to laugh, I use men’s ballet slippers. But they weigh 4 Oz for the pair. · Camp/liner socks (I don’t use them as liners, but great for camp socks) · UL shorts: some off brand thin nylon, double as swim shorts & sleeping shorts. 3 Oz First aid & tool kit: 10 Oz · 2 ~ 4X4s · 4 Large Band-Aids · Hand wipes · Mole skin · Pain killers · Hay fever med · Knife: Shrand ultralight · Imodium AD, Antacid, Laxative · BAG BALM (medicated Vaseline basically) · Nail clippers · Scissors (folding) · Tweezers · Safety pins (2) · Sewing kit o 2 needles o 1 spool thread o Heavy duty thimble · Duct tape: about 20 ft · 1 wire (zip) tie Food Bag: · Seasoned salt · Matches · Olive oil · Vitamins o Glucosamine/Chondrotin (seems to help arthritus) o Multi vitamins 110 Camera w flash, 2 rolls film & spare battery 3 Oz? Pulsar light: sub 1 Oz Note pad, Journal, pen Trail guide Phone list & Phone credit card Space blanket 1 Oz Sunglasses: sub 1 Oz Flute & sheet music 10 Oz Quotes Platypus 1 Qt canteen |
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Last edited by Doctari; 04-30-2005 at 18:09.
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#17
By
A-Train
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05-02-2005, 21:57
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Anyway, the list I made reflects what I and most shed during the hike. Everything else would be summer gear I switched out along the way which is obvious. Hope that can help |
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