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mosyalong
12-14-2013, 00:27
hello, I am mosyalong. I plan to hike in 2014. no experience. there have been some threads about type II diabetes. There is a web site that says
whole food chromium will fix it in a matter of months. It's not a disease but a condition. www.notadoc.org (http://www.notadoc.org). looking forward to the trail and meeting
many of you.
Wise Old Owl
12-14-2013, 00:32
Well you are in the right place and welcome - I have no experience with Diabetes, but many here can help you. As a new member I hope you stick it out and if you need additional help I have a few friends in backpacking that can help you ...
hello, I am mosyalong. I plan to hike in 2014. no experience. there have been some threads about type II diabetes. There is a web site that says
whole food chromium will fix it in a matter of months. It's not a disease but a condition. www.notadoc.org (http://www.notadoc.org). looking forward to the trail and meeting many of you.Interesting link. Love the title, and how can you not like a site that uses chicanery and obfuscation in the same sentence. Welcome.
My advice on staving off Type II is to try and burn at least 1000 calories a day over your basal metabolism, preferably through naturally occurring activities like hiking, and to eat naturally occurring amounts of real naturally occurring foods. Once you've got it though, not sure of best way to get back on track. Much the same I should think, but once damage is done you probably have to take more extreme measures to get back to normal. That's where a real Medicine Man might be useful, naturally occurring, or otherwise. :-)
type II diabetes is a piece of piss to cure. I cured my partner's uncle by getting him to buy himself a proper twin gear juicer and making him live off apple/celery/carrot/kale juice and after 5 days he no longer needed his insulin shots, and had lost a ton of fat.
Slo-go'en
12-14-2013, 18:00
I don't think it's so much a matter of having more chromium as it is having a healthy diet to begin with. Cut out most of the processed suger in your diet and get to a healthy weight and most of the battle is won.
Without an actual clinical study, I'd have my doubts about the effect of chromium and as a heavy metal you don't want to eat too much of it. Trace amounts is all you need. I love these kinds of sites which have absolutely no data to back up thier claims.
max patch
12-14-2013, 18:08
I had a doctor who had me try chromium picinolate because of high normal fasting blood sugar. Didn't do anything for me. That was about 20 years ago. My current doctor has never heard of using this.
I will say this in direct response to the contention that Type II Diabetes, commonly referred to as adult onset Diabetes, mostly referred to by the Western Medical Community as a Disease, is at least SOMETIMES a condition. My father, even after many trips over the decades to MD's, was never told he had the Disease of Diabetes or had significant risk factors associated with the Disease of Type II diabetes. He slowly got extremely over wt. At some pt Western trained MD's said he had the Disease of Type II Diabetes. These same Western Trained Medical Doctors told him he had to learn how to manage his Disease NEVER telling him how to be CURED of the Disease of Type II Diabetes. He was put on various Diabetes medications. Some of them extremely expensive. With the insistence and help of the family - AND while under the supervision of Alternative and Integrative Medical Practioners/Diabetes Specialists not trained according to Western Medical Education - he went from 360 lbs with a Body Fat % that was insane to 280 lbs losing a big portion of the wt in body fat %. The wt lose was all done under the supervision of Alternative and Integrative Medical Practioners, supposedly the ones who the Western Medical Industry is quick to label as quacks.
My Dad lives on the east coast. The Alternative and Integrative Medical Practioners that helped him formulate the treatment plan that had the ultimate goal of being Diabetes Type II Disease FREE and supervised the wt loss while also helping him detoxify his WHOLE PERSON were on the west coast. After getting a clean bill of health out west where he was now defined as Type II Diabetes Disease FREE(*This diagnosis was not simply a matter of not having Diabetes Disease Symptoms!) he then went back east to his Western Trained MD's. They also told him he NO LONGER had the Disease of Diabetes Type II. The Western Trained MD's even took him off all Diabetes Medication. My Dad's Medical Insurance statements even reflected that he was Diabetes Type II Disease FREE. By all medical accounts my Dad no longer had the Disease of Type II Diabetes. AGAIN, by all medical accounts the MD's and Medical Practioners WERE NOT just saying he was symptom FREE. They all said he was Disease FREE.
Fast forward several yrs. My Dad's wt started creeping back up. He discontinued medical supervision by the Alternative and Integrative Medical Practioners. He's only supervised by Western Medical Establishment Trained Doctors on the east coast. He has been diagnosed again with the Disease of Type II Diabetes. These are the same MD's on the east coast that have overseen his health care for almost 14 yrs. They are the same MDs on the east coast who many yrs ago said he didn't have the Disease of Diabetes, then said he was at a high risk of being diagnosed as having the Disease of Type II Diabetes, diagnosed him as having the Disease of Type II Diabetes, then, after losing the wt, say he no longer had the Disease of Type II Diabetes, now say he again has the Disease of Type II Diabetes! They have placed him increasingly on a greater number and dollar cost of Diabetes Type II Pharmaceutical Medications He now weighs nearly 400 lbs and is again labeled as having the Disease of Type II Diabetes. His monthly Pharmaceutical Diabetes Medications ALONE are more than $3000.00!
Disease or Condition? In my dad's case seems more like a condition.
I see you're new to WhiteBlaze Mosyalong. Welcome. BUT, as much as topics on sites like that share information that MIGHT shine light on the Medical Industry, Big Pharma, and Politics from a different perspective you're walking a very fine line on Whiteblaze having anything but a limited discussion exploring those topics. This is not the best place to talk about these things, IMO. Politics is where this will eventually lead and that's not what WB is geared towards.
Mosyalong,
Chromium is a trace element necessary for glucose and lipid metabolism in humans however, it would be exceedingly rare in someone with a 1st world diet to have a deficiency of this nutrient. Natural food sources of chromium are meat, animal fats, whole wheat, wheat germ among others. In fact, due to lack of clinical evidence the FDA has stated that chromium picolinate supplementation does not reduce the risk of insulin resistance or type-2 diabetes.
Regardless whether you consider Diabetes type 2 a condition or a disease state, it does represent a pathology that is frequently reversible with lifestyle modifications; diet and exercise. There are also medications that have been proven to improve quality of life and prevent some of the most devastaing effects of this condition/disease. I suspect that you have a primary care provider and are utilizing their assistance to prevent/delay the effects of diabetes on your long term health.
Good Luck
quilteresq
12-14-2013, 19:51
hello, I am mosyalong. I plan to hike in 2014. no experience. there have been some threads about type II diabetes. There is a web site that says
whole food chromium will fix it in a matter of months. It's not a disease but a condition. www.notadoc.org (http://www.notadoc.org). looking forward to the trail and meeting
many of you.
The website that helped me the most was http://bloodsugar101.com. It basically advocates a low carb diet and whatever drugs you might need to help. You can be heavy with good blood sugar control, or you can be skinny with lousy control. I did eat more carbs on the trail, but had little problem with blood sugar - I did NOT eat pints of Ben and Jerry's, pizza, or other stuff like that. I was the only one cooking powdered eggs, cheese, and back bits at the shelters for breakfast. My dinners were low carb, but for lunches and trail snacks, I ate more carbs. Peanut butter is a good thing to take for lower carb calories. Now there is low carb flat bread, which I didn't know about or have for the trail. I drink, but rarely beer or wine because they're too high in carbs. I'm taking no drugs and my last HbA1c was 5.7 using diet to control it. When I have lots of carbs though, my BG still shoots through the roof. Haven't seen the chromium web site - might look at it, but I'll stick to low carb.
The western medical industry approach is largely treatment though often through Prescription Medications rather than approaching the disease or condition to CURE it. The money is in the longish term as possible treatment not always the cure.
quilteresq
12-14-2013, 20:54
Whether or not it can be cured (and so far, I haven't seen evidence to that effect,) my GP and even Joslin were aiming for an HbA1c of 7. That number would assure that I develop complications. In fact, by the time most folks are diagnosed, they have already developed one or more complications - the standard for diagnosis is pretty high. My highest was 7.2, and I took it down from there and have kept it under 6 for more than a year now. All while training in late 2012 for the trail. As I got off of the trail after the Smokies in May, (sprained ankle) I doubt I'm still seeing benefits from the hike.
mosyalong
12-15-2013, 00:27
for the record, I am not diabetic.100% whole food chromium is the only type that will help fix this problem.
for the record, I am not diabetic.100% whole food chromium is the only type that will help fix this problem.
It works ONLY by depleting your wallet of cash that would other wise be spent on sugary sweets.
Pedaling Fool
12-15-2013, 10:01
This whole issue of whether Diabetes Type 2 is curable or not is actually a very controversial subject. I'm of the opinion that in many cases it can be reversed, but only with a sensible diet, by sensible, I mean mostly quantity reduction, but also eating more veggies. With respect to Chromium, I'm in complete agreement with OCDave in post #9 above; you probably already get enough; it's no magic cure. I eat tons of mayo; I justify it because it's packed with chromium:D
There is no magic cure, you need to just eat a sensible diet, which is mostly reducing quantity and drink more water, as opposed to sweetened drinks, including sport's drinks.
And of course the "other thing" that must be done is exercise, intense exercise. Too many people fall for the old line of all one must do is 20-30 minutes per day, three/four times a week. Wrong, wrong, wrong...
If you want to keep looking for some magical cure, then go ahead, but ask yourself this: "Why am I so opposed to reducing my food intake and starting a rigourous exercise program?"
This has worked for so many people on the Biggest Loser show. Why not give that a try? Personally, I think most people would rather take the medication for life:confused:
http://www.examiner.com/article/biggest-loser-s-dr-huizenga-diet-intense-exercise-reverses-type-2-diabetes
Excerpt:
“An hour a day is great to maintain your weight if you’ve lost some weight,” Huizenga said.”The problem with Americans is that they spend an hour a day exercising but they’re not really exercising because they don’t know about intense exercise, which is what you have to do to prevent and cure diabetes.”
Huizinga’s ideas on diet and exercise have also changed a lot since he first started practicing medicine.
“I did the same thing the first 20 years in my medical practice,” he said. “I said ‘work out a little bit more and eat a few less calories, a few less simple carbohydrates and you’re going to slowly go.’ It turns out that’s the giant hoax in this country because that formula absolutely, unequivocally doesn’t work. And while we’ve been a country of doctors telling our patients that, 2 [million] to 3 million people cross into the ranks of the obese each year in this country.”
So that means more than a leisurely stroll around the block.
The average amount of exercise for a contestant on “The Biggest Loser (http://www.whiteblaze.net/topic/the-biggest-loser)” when they first come to the ranch is 20 to 30 minutes a day, he said. “But when the show is over we have people say ‘Oh, I had no idea what exercise was. What I was calling exercise was my cool down or maybe less.’ Just because you exercise, you don’t get credit for that until you learn what intense exercise is.”
But what about people who say they don’t have enough time to exercise a couple hours a day? Huizenga said that for the most part, it’s just not true.
“People say they don’t have hours to devote to exercise – I think that’s the first misconception that a number of people have,” Huizenga said. “The American average for TV time and leisure computer time is about four hours.
“I think people do have plenty of time to devote to exercise if they want to cure diabetes, live longer and have a better quality of life,” he continued. “If they really don’t have time for it, then we have to re-examine their life and say ‘Would you have time for chemotherapy, would you have time for renal dialysis if you were dying of kidney failure or cancer?' "
Pedaling Fool
12-15-2013, 10:06
With respect to Chromium, I'm in complete agreement with OCDave in post #9 above; you probably already get enough; it's no magic cure.
Correction, I meant post #8 above.
Whether or not it's a condition or a disease, it will provide you a very miserable way to die. Why on earth would you consider medical advice from a bunch of strangers who don't even use their real names? See a doctor FCOL.
I know a guy that claims to have ate a bike.
As far as I know he has never had diabetes.
Sarcasm the elf
12-16-2013, 11:02
It works ONLY by depleting your wallet of cash that would other wise be spent on sugary sweets.
I am starting to wonder how much the OP gets paid each time one of us clicks the link he's advertising...
Ah... the "notadoc" website mentioned by the OP also says that HIV does not cause AIDS and is full of all sorts of other non-standard medical advise, which is probably why the author is not a doctor of medicine. It might be better to get medical information from an actual M.D.
Tuckahoe
12-16-2013, 11:13
Ah, non doctors and non doctor websites, giving non medical advice... nothing to see here, move along...
rats... hooked by a troller, how embarassing