August 2014 E2E Back Up Shelter Plan

[fastfoxengineering]

I have a question for everyone. I plan on thru-hiking the LT in August 2014, which will be my first long distance hike. I have a good amount of experience backpacking and hiking in the White Mountains of NH. I have begun planning and already really want to get my gear straightened out so that I can do some overnights or a few days in the Whites refining my gear and making minor adjustments.

On my thru-hike, I plan on hiking southbound and starting around August 1st. I want to spend AS MANY nights possible in the lean to's and shelters. I'm hoping that it will take me between 22-25 days to complete my hike. I understand that in certain circumstances, I may have to set up my own camp and sleep outside a shelter one or a few nights.

I really have narrowed down my back up shelter to two options and would like your input.

1) Poncho/Tarp and Ground Tarp shelter.
2) Bring my Eno Singlenest Hammock and Atlas Straps (whoopie slings) and use my Poncho/Tarp for a Rain fly.

Option 1 is lighter but not that much more. I have a digital scale coming in the mail so I can't say exactly how much. I feel as if option 2 gives me a lot more options and is hands down way more comfortable for me, all for about one extra pound. I feel that I may even sleep in my hammock some nights outside of a shelter because I do like sleeping in my hammock. So on a nice night, I do feel that I would use it, not just if I had to. I like the added possibilities.

What would you do?

I'll be coming to you guys for more information because this place is a great resource. I have learned a lot in the past months just reading through threads.

Regards,
fastfox

[Starchild]

Doing the LT you may run into shelter space issues south of Main Junction, with AT NoBo's, SoBo's and flipflopers getting thru then - hit a convergence of those bubbles and you may be camping under a fallen log if you don't have a shelter. Some form of shelter may be very highly advised then to the southern end of they LT. But north of there I would expect you could get away with more reliable shelter space. Then again I never hiked the LT north of Maine junction. I would consider at least mail dropping a decent shelter at that point.

[fastfoxengineering]

I plan on carrying one of these forms of shelter the entire thru-hike. Thanks for your response.

[Jeff]

Although the worst of the blackfly season will be over, mosquitos can still be a problem. It sure is nice to have a shelter system that includes mosquito netting if the bugs get to be a pain.

[fastfoxengineering]

Although the worst of the blackfly season will be over, mosquitos can still be a problem. It sure is nice to have a shelter system that includes mosquito netting if the bugs get to be a pain.

I can deal with the bugs. I've learned to get use to them over the years. I planned on climbing into by sleeping bag with a head net on. Usually does the trick for me.

[Slo-go'en]

I did an E2E of the LT starting August 1st and used my OR advanced bivy once the whole time. And that one time wasn't really neccissary, it was just a curtisy to a small group of woman who were using the shelter at the time.

There aren't a lot of places on the LT really suitable for tenting anyway, even on the AT section. Straton pond is one of the few places with actual offical tent sites. Towards the end of the month you will start to run into the collage orintation groups, but these groups typically sleep under a tarp in less then ideal spots.

Even though there is only a chance of your having to need a back up shelter, it's always a good idea to have one anyway. You just never know. The hammock would give you better options then a tent given the kind of terrain you'd have to deal with.

Oh, one other thing. Although it was very hot and humid at the start of the hike August 1st, there were some down right chilly nights towards the end of the month, which makes a hammock without an under quilt less then desirable.

[Meriadoc]

I would bring the hammock. Is your poncho/tarp long enough to cover the hammock?

If weight is a concern, check into ditching the Eno and Atlas Straps. Those are heavy. A lighter (ripstop nylon) hammock and a different suspension system (tree huggers + whoopie slings with a marlinspike hitch connector) will be lighter. Sounds like you already know hammock forums, but if not, check the forums out. Just bring a life preserver to prevent drowning in all the information :).

Also, for very little weight penalty you can make a bug sock out of tulle. I think it was 2-3 ounces total for the net. The only drawback is that tulle is not as strong as noseeum fabric.

[fastfoxengineering]

I did an E2E of the LT starting August 1st and used my OR advanced bivy once the whole time. And that one time wasn't really neccissary, it was just a curtisy to a small group of woman who were using the shelter at the time.

There aren't a lot of places on the LT really suitable for tenting anyway, even on the AT section. Straton pond is one of the few places with actual offical tent sites. Towards the end of the month you will start to run into the collage orintation groups, but these groups typically sleep under a tarp in less then ideal spots.

Even though there is only a chance of your having to need a back up shelter, it's always a good idea to have one anyway. You just never know. The hammock would give you better options then a tent given the kind of terrain you'd have to deal with.

Oh, one other thing. Although it was very hot and humid at the start of the hike August 1st, there were some down right chilly nights towards the end of the month, which makes a hammock without an under quilt less then desirable.

I've read that there isn't many tenting spots on the E2E which is what led me to the idea of bringing one of my hammocks. I also have a Hennessy Hammock Expedition with built in bug nut but I wanted to rule it out because of its weight and the "chances" of me using it.

Also I the idea of cold nights did have me thinking, But I have comfortably slept in my hammock with a sleeping bad and 20* down bag in 40-50 degree weather. Fully dressed with a full belly.

[fastfoxengineering]

I would bring the hammock. Is your poncho/tarp long enough to cover the hammock?

If weight is a concern, check into ditching the Eno and Atlas Straps. Those are heavy. A lighter (ripstop nylon) hammock and a different suspension system (tree huggers + whoopie slings with a marlinspike hitch connector) will be lighter. Sounds like you already know hammock forums, but if not, check the forums out. Just bring a life preserver to prevent drowning in all the information :).

Also, for very little weight penalty you can make a bug sock out of tulle. I think it was 2-3 ounces total for the net. The only drawback is that tulle is not as strong as noseeum fabric.

My poncho/tarp is big enough. I've used a HH Expedition with the mini a-sym rainfly that everyone complains about for two years with great success. In heavy rain too. If you take the time to make sure it is set up perfect it is adequate coverage. But once you step out the hammock you'll get wet. My poncho/tarp is actually slightly bigger than that rain-fly so I'm not worried. Unfortunately, buying a new hammock system is not in my budget. So my Eno system is my lightest option. Thanks for your input

[Yukon]

Can I ask why you want to use the shelters?

I have used my hammock (Warbonnet Blackbird) on the LT for the last couple years, and it's always the best sleep out there. So many great locations to hang on the LT :)

[R1ma]

All the parts of the LT I've hiked have been GREAT for hammocking, and not so great for tents ;) .

And, in a single day, you might pass 2 or 3 shelters - IMHO they are a little close together in some places - south of Camel's hump, there are 4 within 9.6 miles. I'm not sure if that's relevant to your post or not LOL.

[bamboo bob]

I've thru hiked the LT twice and carried a tarptent. I used it fairly often because shelters south of the junction can be full etc. But mainly I like to hike longer days and the shelters sometimes would means a short day. I actually prefer the tarpent. In August it can still be buggy a dusk and dawn. I never really had a problem finding a good spot to tent. The crowd definitely thins out after the Inn going north. But August the AT crowd is mainly gone through.

[1azarus]

Absolutely nothing wrong with the hammock option... I've only hiked about two hundred miles of the LT, but wouldn't go without a hammock! Do you have a cheap foam pad? Not a bad idea to bring a torso length foam pad even that time of year... And short is fine.

[Kerosene]

...there were some down right chilly nights towards the end of the month, which makes a hammock without an under quilt less then desirable.Agreed. There were a few nights in the 30s when I thru-hiked SOBO in August 1979. I wouldn't hammock without an underquilt, or a huge volume of padding, below 50F.

[Tri-Pod Bob]

I agree with the hammock option. For late August elevation chill, a light weight insulation alternative to consider is a torso length piece of reflectix bubble pad. You can get one, made for windshields, at WMart, Kmart auto dept, or any auto parts store, pretty cheap.

[fastfoxengineering]

Thanks for all the replies, I have decided to bring a lot more shelter than originally planned with all your input taken into consideration.

I'll be taking a HH Ultra lite Backpacker and Hex Rain fly. This will be nice because it has the built in mosquito net, and the hex rain fly is HUGE. Therefore, I'll have cooking space and some room if I'm caught in some rain. So, that covers two main concerns I hear about the Long Trail. Bugs and Rain. My whole system (hammock, rain-fly, tree huggers, stuff sack, some stakes and some nite-ize figure 9's) comes in right at 48.26 oz (right about 3lbs). A little on the heavier end, but a substantial shelter it is.

Now I'm trying to decide on my insulation. I already have one of those windshield reflector pads. I think that coupled with a 20* bag should be suitable.

My originally plan to spend most nights in shelters has changed and I'll prob be hammock camping most of the way. In the end, it seems like it will be easier. I will also still have the option of sleeping in a shelter, and I could fold my reflector pad in two as a torso pad, use my empty pack as a foot pad, and use a stuff sack as a pillow.

Now this is the first long distance hiking trip I'm doing, so I'm learning a lot as I read more and more. Sooner or later I'll have my Geargrams set up for some constructive criticism.

What is the common bear bagging procedure for bear bagging on the Long Trail? I'm familiar with the PCT method and have a nylon rock bag, coupled with a nite-ize s-biner, and 50' of z-line slick cord. This is what I typically use. Will this method be fine for the LT?

[Tri-Pod Bob]

Haven't done an E2E on the LT....yet, just parts/sections. But, I have been camping in Vt since I was 6, and started bushwacking (my preferred "hiking" mode) throughout the state, as well, since I was 27. I'm now 56, and have never put my food in a bear bag in all of that time. You can, if you want, for piece of mind. Your set-up for the PCT method would work just fine.

[fastfoxengineering]

Haven't done an E2E on the LT....yet, just parts/sections. But, I have been camping in Vt since I was 6, and started bushwacking (my preferred "hiking" mode) throughout the state, as well, since I was 27. I'm now 56, and have never put my food in a bear bag in all of that time. You can, if you want, for piece of mind. Your set-up for the PCT method would work just fine.

I typically don't worry about the bears in New England when I am carrying my firearm. But thru-hiking, there isn't a need to carry a piece so I'd like to take the right precautions. Honestly, I'm more worried about rodents in shelters eating through my food bag rather than a bear. Therefore, I'd like to bear bag it. Thanks for your response

[MamaBear]

When we hiked the LT last year, we just hung our food and other stuff from the mouse-bafflers in the shelters, as did everyone else we stayed at the shelters with. There were no problems with bears, and we never had a problem with rodents or porcupines. A few places seemed to have problems with the porcupines, so we hung our shoes, too. (The porkies like the salt residue left from feet sweating in the shoes.) Folks who left their stuff out had issues. I recall a group who left their roll of toliet paper out and it was in shreds in the morning and another hiker who left his mug or bowl out and had to disinfect it due to the obvious "presents" left by the mice. If you want to bear bag, and it makes you more comfortable and happy, by all means do so!

[fastfoxengineering]

When we hiked the LT last year, we just hung our food and other stuff from the mouse-bafflers in the shelters, as did everyone else we stayed at the shelters with. There were no problems with bears, and we never had a problem with rodents or porcupines. A few places seemed to have problems with the porcupines, so we hung our shoes, too. (The porkies like the salt residue left from feet sweating in the shoes.) Folks who left their stuff out had issues. I recall a group who left their roll of toliet paper out and it was in shreds in the morning and another hiker who left his mug or bowl out and had to disinfect it due to the obvious "presents" left by the mice. If you want to bear bag, and it makes you more comfortable and happy, by all means do so!

I've decided to bring my bear bagging equipment. It's relatively light at 0.9 ounces (nylon sack, spectra cord, mini carabiner) and I'll probably find it useful because I will be spending a fair amount of nights camping in my hammock. Thanks for the input about the mice and porcupines. Plus, I'll just consider any bear bagging I do practice for my future AT and PCT thru-hikes ;)

[Tri-Pod Bob]

Your bear bag is multi-purpose then. It protects the food supply, provides a bit of piece of mind & gives you the opportunity to master a skill set! Well worth bringing it, I believe.

[fastfoxengineering]

Your bear bag is multi-purpose then. It protects the food supply, provides a bit of piece of mind & gives you the opportunity to master a skill set! Well worth bringing it, I believe.

Bear bag set-up will be coming with. I use a Sea to Summit Ultra-Sil dry sack as my food bag. I never knew how frustrating it could be to hang a bear bag till I tried it the first few times. Deff has some quirks.

Another question, my hydration system includes 2 1L smart water bottles and a 1L platypus soft bottle. I do not plan on using a water bladder on my thru-hike. I may bring an extra soft bottle to increase my water carrying capacity to 4L's. So...Which is the preferred method to treating water on the LT?

I've extensively used two methods to purify my drinking water, my platypus gravity works filter and Aqua Mira. Which would you recommend for the Long Trail?

I really appreciate all your help, there is a great deal of information to be had on these forums.

Regards

[Papa D]

i really did enjoy tenting on the LT - there is generally plenty of tent space near most of the shelters (with a few exceptions). I would certainly carry something. I probably combined sheltering and tenting about 50/50 on the LT. Any solo shelter that is super light with a bug fly would be good to have. I also like not relying on shelters in general - - when I'm in the woods, I like self sufficiency. What if some jokers walk up from the road an take over the shelter you were planning on and you are getting ready to get rained on? It's nice to have an option.

[fastfoxengineering]

i really did enjoy tenting on the LT - there is generally plenty of tent space near most of the shelters (with a few exceptions). I would certainly carry something. I probably combined sheltering and tenting about 50/50 on the LT. Any solo shelter that is super light with a bug fly would be good to have. I also like not relying on shelters in general - - when I'm in the woods, I like self sufficiency. What if some jokers walk up from the road an take over the shelter you were planning on and you are getting ready to get rained on? It's nice to have an option.

I'll be bringing a substantial hammock setup for my LT hike. I also like the idea of being self sufficient. Hammock camping has become my favorite way to camp by far.

[Tri-Pod Bob]

Many folks, myself included, use the Sawyer Squeeze. Since I use a Solo Stove, my back up is boiling....then Aqua Mira. The Sawyer Mini was recently introduced as a reduced weight option. http://www.sawyer.com/sawyersaves/products-squeeze.html It can be modded, such as setting it up as a gravity feed system, used with SmartWater bottles, in-line with your hydration bladder, etc. Look up Sawyer Squeeze on the 'Search' function to get some ideas.

[10-K]

I did an E2E of the LT starting August 1st and used my OR advanced bivy once the whole time. And that one time wasn't really neccissary, it was just a curtisy to a small group of woman who were using the shelter at the time.


Just north of Jay Peak at the second shelter from the northern terminus - I was there. :)

I stayed in the shelters if no one was there, otherwise I tented - mainly because I start before the sun comes up and it's a lot easier to pack up if I don't have to try not to wake people up.

[fastfoxengineering]

Many folks, myself included, use the Sawyer Squeeze. Since I use a Solo Stove, my back up is boiling....then Aqua Mira. The Sawyer Mini was recently introduced as a reduced weight option. http://www.sawyer.com/sawyersaves/products-squeeze.html It can be modded, such as setting it up as a gravity feed system, used with SmartWater bottles, in-line with your hydration bladder, etc. Look up Sawyer Squeeze on the 'Search' function to get some ideas.

Wow, thanks for pointing me in that direction. I've heard of the sawyer squeeze but never looked into it. I love the fact that I can screw it right onto my smart water bottles. Since I'm not going to use a hydration bladder, I think two smart water bottles, the sawyer squeeze, and a 2L platybottle makes and AWESOME lightweight hydration system. Relatively inexpensive too!

Regards

[fastfoxengineering]

I have another question for everyone. As stated before, I plan to start my hike on August 1st. I'm torn between whether or not I should bring my jacket or my poncho.

I have a Columbia Breathable/Waterproof jacket that I've always brought hiking. It weighs 20.3 oz. Therefore, my layering system would compose of a t-shirt, my long sleeve merino wool 1/4 zip, then the jacket.

Should I bring it or instead just bring my poncho at 11oz?

[Slo-go'en]

Go with the jacket. No contest. In the northen sections the LT can get very narrow and if you have to hike through with a poncho, it will keep getting snagged on brush. Then if you have to cross one of the above tree line sections and the weather is not ideal, a poncho acts too much like a sail blowing your off balance. Plus a jacket makes a much better outer layer on chilly and/or damp evenings.


With few exceptions, all the shelters are supplied by pure mountian spring water. You'd be hard pressed to find better water anywhere. I didn't once feel the need to treat or filter any of the water I drank along the LT. If your hard pressed you might find a need to take water from a less then desirable source (think beaver pond) so just having some auqamire on hand for those rare occasions would be worth while.

[fastfoxengineering]

Go with the jacket. No contest. In the northen sections the LT can get very narrow and if you have to hike through with a poncho, it will keep getting snagged on brush. Then if you have to cross one of the above tree line sections and the weather is not ideal, a poncho acts too much like a sail blowing your off balance. Plus a jacket makes a much better outer layer on chilly and/or damp evenings.


With few exceptions, all the shelters are supplied by pure mountian spring water. You'd be hard pressed to find better water anywhere. I didn't once feel the need to treat or filter any of the water I drank along the LT. If your hard pressed you might find a need to take water from a less then desirable source (think beaver pond) so just having some auqamire on hand for those rare occasions would be worth while.

I'll be bringing the jacket then. Thanks for your response.

[Tri-Pod Bob]

+1 on the jacket & water quality

[MamaBear]

Another +1 on the jacket and water. We had 2 gatorade bottles a piece, plus a 4L Platy bag just in case. Never used the bag, so it got a free ride from MA to Canada. Finally used it on a backpack in Hawaii. We did use Aquamira, but only because I didn't want the potential of a sick 12 year old. We saw quite a few people using the Sawyer Squeeze and they really liked it. Sounds like you're thinking it all through and covering all the bases before you get on the trail. No doubt you'll have a great time!

[Praha4]

you should be able to go as lightweight as possible in August on the LT .... all you need is an U/L tarp, you'll be able to find room in almost all shelters at night, keep it simple, the terrain will tax you and keeping your total pack weight as light as possible makes a difference.

[fastfoxengineering]

Another +1 on the jacket and water. We had 2 gatorade bottles a piece, plus a 4L Platy bag just in case. Never used the bag, so it got a free ride from MA to Canada. Finally used it on a backpack in Hawaii. We did use Aquamira, but only because I didn't want the potential of a sick 12 year old. We saw quite a few people using the Sawyer Squeeze and they really liked it. Sounds like you're thinking it all through and covering all the bases before you get on the trail. No doubt you'll have a great time!

Picked up the new Mini Sawyer Squeeze today and it seems great. Very light, very adaptable. I like the fact that I can make a gravity filter, inline set-up, or best yet... it screws right on top of my smart water bottles. And its less bulky than the original squeeze so its really not awkward screwed onto the top of a water bottle. Haven't even used it yet and I already love it. Coming from and mechanical engineering background, this thing is filter perfection.

I've been hiking and leisurely backpacking for two years now. I'm really spending a lot of time addressing gear because this is my first long distance hiking trip and kind of a testing ground for future hikes. My goal is to do the AT a year or two from now. I feel the more prepared I am for the LT, the less bs to sort through and I'll have my gear really dialed in going into the AT.

I'll be bringing my jacket, and the sawyer. Thanks for the input!


you should be able to go as lightweight as possible in August on the LT .... all you need is an U/L tarp, you'll be able to find room in almost all shelters at night, keep it simple, the terrain will tax you and keeping your total pack weight as light as possible makes a difference.

I've decided to suck it up and bring my full-blown hammock set-up. If I feel as if I don't need it. I'll keep the hex rain fly and send the hammock home as soon as possible. But it's gonna take a lot. I love sleeping in that thing. Regards

[fastfoxengineering]

Took advantage of some spare balances on some gift cards, a gear card, and 20% sale and picked up a Marmot Precip Jacket today at almost half the retail price. This jacket is prob half of what my Columbia jacket weighs and it tens times as nice. I think I'm really going to enjoy it. Is it bad I want spring here already? I gotta get some snowboarding in first.

Do you guys know if I can edit the thread title? I'd rather call it.. August 2014 ETE Preparation lol

[MamaBear]

We did the LT as a warm up for more long distance hiking, too. We figured if we really hated it, we could be home in less than half a day, and the LT wasn't as big of a commitment at the AT. Great way to learn and looks like you're not going to have a steep learning curve, or really any learning curve at all!

[fastfoxengineering]

We did the LT as a warm up for more long distance hiking, too. We figured if we really hated it, we could be home in less than half a day, and the LT wasn't as big of a commitment at the AT. Great way to learn and looks like you're not going to have a steep learning curve, or really any learning curve at all!

Well I didn't have the time to do an AT thru hike this year, so I looked at the next best thing. The Long Trail. I'm located in Mass, have a lot of experience in the Whites and well enjoy Vermont too. I figured it will be a great way to learn a lot about long distance hiking before I hit the AT. Getting rid of that learning curve is what I'm all about. I feel if I go into the LT well prepared, I'll come out well refined. Then when I go to do the AT, I'll be pretty fairly well off from the get go. Counting my ounces, not a gram weenie yet lol!

I love backpacking in the Whites, so I'm sure hiking the LT will be a blast for me.

Regards

[MamaBear]

Well I didn't have the time to do an AT thru hike this year, so I looked at the next best thing. The Long Trail. I'm located in Mass, have a lot of experience in the Whites and well enjoy Vermont too. I figured it will be a great way to learn a lot about long distance hiking before I hit the AT. Getting rid of that learning curve is what I'm all about. I feel if I go into the LT well prepared, I'll come out well refined. Then when I go to do the AT, I'll be pretty fairly well off from the get go. Counting my ounces, not a gram weenie yet lol!

I love backpacking in the Whites, so I'm sure hiking the LT will be a blast for me.

Regards

Exactly! You'll really be set for the AT when you hike it! We're aiming for a similar goal, to be dialed in and able to do long distance hikes already knowing ourselves and our gear. It is making planning for this summer's long distance trek easier. All we're thinking about now is food variety - making sure we don't eat some of the stuff we got tired of last summer! We're not gram weenies, either, but aim to be on the lighter weight side, while still being safe and comfortable.

Gotta love the Whites - we've got a pretty nice playground here! If you like the Whites, you'll enjoy the LT.