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Have you found a container (besides a Nalgene bottle) that does not leak? Am I buying the wrong kind of peanut butter?
My son happily ate a container of the gelato in this article: http://gossamergear.com/wp/tips/backpacking-with-no-cook-foods
Unfortunately the container is not absolutely leak proof. :(
I was pre-hydrating some food and had lentil and pasta water leak all over my backpack. Fortunately, I had in an outside pocket. Does this happen to everybody once... and then we learn to carry our containers right side up at all times?
Any suggestions for the "perfect" container. Light? Cheap? 100% water tight?
OH... PS... or do you just take a cook pot and hope to Yogi some stove? :)
Slo-go'en
06-25-2014, 16:13
Try www.specialtybottle.com (http://www.specialtybottle.com) they carry every type of bottle and container imaginable.
garlic08
06-25-2014, 16:20
I tested a few containers including PB jars at home and wasn't satisfied. So rather than mess with it, I designed my stoveless hiking around food that does not need to hydrate in the pack. Good luck finding something that works for you.
Starchild
06-25-2014, 16:23
I have looked as I use a 2.5 oz steripen but take a weight penalty because of the wide mouth bottle. Still save overall with less water weight carried, but would like to find a lightweight wide mouth 1/2 qt bottle.
Just Bill
06-25-2014, 17:15
Been working on this too- not been finding perfection either.
http://www.amazon.com/Ziploc-Twist-Loc-Containers-Lids/dp/B000LNY1D8/ref=sr_1_2?s=hpc&ie=UTF8&qid=1403730017&sr=1-2&keywords=glad+twist+and+lock
http://www.amazon.com/Glad-LockWare-Storage-Containers-Ounces/dp/B006528G30/ref=sr_1_3?s=hpc&ie=UTF8&qid=1403730017&sr=1-3&keywords=glad+twist+and+lock
Tried both of these in many sizes- regular tupperware type containers are leak proof- but without the twisting lid can pop if not careful. That said folks use those often.
Work fine for FBC without the freezer bag (I pack my meals in brown paper- no plastic, and extra tinder)
Work fine for rehydrating some things while walking- no cook or to cook later.
Are not waterproof, but if you use the one quart sizes and carry in a side pocket (water bottle pocket) the amount they spill is negligible. Non existent with a 2 cup meal in a quart size.
However- making a soup or shaking to mix something is a bust (but not a total bust).
1/3 the weight of nalgene.
Starchild- the one quart size works great with Steri-pen. I like the combo- fill, sterilize, add drink mix- shake- get a bit on your hands- wash up at the stream- move on.
The HDPE- cloudy white plastic Nalgene's are half the weight of the indestructable nalgenes(triton-clear plastic)- about 3.25 ounces if you loose the lid loop- These are actually waterproof and work great for soaking beans, grains, or making soup when you NEED waterproof- but- Hard to clean!!- http://www.rei.com/product/402049/nalgene-wide-mouth-loop-top-round-bottle-32-fl-oz#specsTab
These guys are next on my list- the Nalgene version of the twist loc containers.
Heavy, easy to clean, APPEAR to be leakproof upgrades of their dry storage line.
http://www.amazon.com/Nalgene-Outdoor-Storage-Container-16-Ounce/dp/B00BISQB6K/ref=pd_sim_sg_3?ie=UTF8&refRID=0QHA6H9XH1X7FAJ5A342
That said- Isn't there a lab rat here who knows of some sort of cheap, industrial version for chemicals, etc? From what I could tell- Matt Kirk used Urine Sample Jars to store his coconut oil. Gotta be a way to snag something like that without having to buy it 144 at a crack.
Just Bill
06-25-2014, 17:20
Oh- the other option on the long list if someone wanted to work on it-
I believe if the right size O-ring could be found- the twist loc containers would be a winner.
Oddly- in 2 cup, the rubbermaid version is best. The rounded bottom and size is great for breakfasts.
http://www.amazon.com/Rubbermaid-TakeAlongs-2-Cup-Twist-Containers/dp/B000QRFOT4/ref=sr_1_2?s=home-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1403731157&sr=1-2&keywords=rubbermaid+twist+and+seal
4 cup- glad is short and fat- ziploc is taller and narrow (fits a water bottle pocket better)
You can find many of these at the bigger stores to test- I have no idea why- but the wallyworld generic version of the Ziploc is horrible, although they appear virtually identical.
I believe if the right size O-ring could be found- the twist loc containers would be a winner. I thought of something like silicon caulk, but doubt it would be food grade.
I have these Rubbermaid: http://www.amazon.com/Rubbermaid-TakeAlongs-4-Cup-Twist-Containers/dp/B003FAAB5Q/ref=pd_bxgy_k_img_z
They leak... just a little... not too bad. They are a nice shape and size.
Titanium Bot gets terrible reviews. It is a great idea, tho http://www.amazon.com/Vargo-Titanium-BOT-T-427/dp/B007S3OWV0/ref=sr_1_2?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1403732777&sr=1-2&keywords=vargo+bot
These gaskets might make something waterproof... http://www.amazon.com/Tattler-Reusable-Regular-Canning-Dishwasher/dp/B004I8B4K0/ref=sr_1_2?s=home-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1403732891&sr=1-2&keywords=mason+jar+gaskets
The HDPE- cloudy white plastic Nalgene's are half the weight of the indestructable nalgenes(triton-clear plastic)- about 3.25 ounces if you loose the lid loop- These are actually waterproof and work great for soaking beans, grains, or making soup when you NEED waterproof- but- Hard to clean!!- http://www.rei.com/product/402049/na...fl-oz#specsTab (http://www.rei.com/product/402049/nalgene-wide-mouth-loop-top-round-bottle-32-fl-oz#specsTab) Uggghhhh... hard to clean... not good.
Or maybe just make a loaf of bread into p&j sandwiches...
Hard to clean Nalgene gets some great reviews...
1/2 cup Rubbermaid resealables -- have used these in the past to hold peanut butter, no problem.
Urine cups... http://www.amazon.com/Sterile-Specimen-Screw-Tamper-Evident/dp/B007KDX64C/ref=sr_1_2?s=industrial&ie=UTF8&qid=1403733573&sr=1-2&keywords=urine+cups
I can only find them in 4oz. I guess the lab only wants a "sample", not a quart bladder's worth.
"Cooking" in a urine specimen cup for my machete wielding blow up man friend... I'm looking scarier all the time. :)
Just Bill
06-25-2014, 18:09
If you want PB only- the regular stuff is fine as Rafe says-
Liquids....
There's clearly an o-ring to rule them all that Frodo and Sam haven't got to yet- just don't have the time to find it.
rocketsocks
06-25-2014, 18:33
Urine cups... http://www.amazon.com/Sterile-Specimen-Screw-Tamper-Evident/dp/B007KDX64C/ref=sr_1_2?s=industrial&ie=UTF8&qid=1403733573&sr=1-2&keywords=urine+cups
I can only find them in 4oz. I guess the lab only wants a "sample", not a quart bladder's worth.
"Cooking" in a urine specimen cup for my machete wielding blow up man friend... I'm looking scarier all the time. :)
I sure could've used a bigger one this mornin, pee'd all over my hand. :D Truth! I blew the shift. :o
MuddyWaters
06-25-2014, 20:27
Why choose food that need to soak when going stoveless?
1) instant refried beans/tortillas/taco sauce
2) instant hummus/olive oil/tortillas
3) mashed up potato chips
4) mashed up Fritos
My input..........stove-less is not cook, right?
There are TONS of great no cook foods, forgetting how you store it, most come in packaging that you just put into your food bag
My input..........stove-less is not cook, right?
There are TONS of great no cook foods, forgetting how you store it, most come in packaging that you just put into your food bag
I'm in this camp. I don't bring any dehydrated food...other than the occasional raisin.
Even if you're carrying a stove, it's smart to plan on a no-cook dinner from time to time -- nights when you're too tired to cook, or the weather's too foul for cooking (etc.)
bigcranky
06-26-2014, 08:47
I'm in this camp. I don't bring any dehydrated food...other than the occasional raisin.
Me, too. I eat very well going stoveless without worrying about rehydrating things, though I do see the appeal. No, I don't carry a cookpot and hope to yogi a stove - that seems more like mooching than yogiing. (A true Yogi generally involves non-hikers, and doesn't smack of pre-planning.)
Rightfoot
06-26-2014, 09:20
DLP... Google food grade silicone. There are several options on Amazon.. In addition check out Monroe Seals on-line. They sell food grade O-rings of every size you might ever need. If you know the dimensions needed, they might be willing to send you one as a sample. I have never dealt with them... just an thought.
Good Luck
when i go stoveless i get food thats prepackaged and ready to eat, just open the desired package and dig in but when i do carry something that needs to be rehydrated while i am hiking i use the Zip-lock " Twist and Lock" or the Rubbermaid "twist and Lock" type i have rehydrated beans and also spanish rice in them, I didn't have any problem with leakage, What i do is i put desired contents in the container about 2-3 inches from the top " room enough for expansion " then put container in a Zip-Lock bag just in case if it did leak, When i get to my desired campsite for the night pull contents out and enjoy.
No, I don't carry a cookpot and hope to yogi a stove - that seems more like mooching than yogiing. I generally agree. Although last time I was out... somebody came over to borrow a lighter. They asked me, "Is there any way to pay you back. Do you need food? We brought way too much food. We forgot things we really need and brought too much of other stuff". I think that I could say, "Oh man! If you can spare a couple of cups of hot water in the morning. I'm dying for a cup of hot coffee!" and not feel like too much of a mooch. Especially, since they were using my lighter to light their stove/campfire. :)
But I had a stove that trip. And enough food.
garlic08
06-26-2014, 17:49
Even if you're carrying a stove, it's smart to plan on a no-cook dinner from time to time -- nights when you're too tired to cook, or the weather's too foul for cooking (etc.)
There is a lot of wisdom here. Sometimes stoves break or run out of fuel, or things get lost.
A good example of something that can be eaten either way is instant mashed potatoes. Ramen noodles are already cooked and can be eaten cold, like a giant cracker. Rolled oats are parboiled in processing and can readily be eaten in cold water, with or without powdered milk. Instant refried beans take a little longer to rehydrate in cold water, but they work OK too.
Sorry for the thread drift.
Urine cups... http://www.amazon.com/Sterile-Specimen-Screw-Tamper-Evident/dp/B007KDX64C/ref=sr_1_2?s=industrial&ie=UTF8&qid=1403733573&sr=1-2&keywords=urine+cups
I can only find them in 4oz. I guess the lab only wants a "sample", not a quart bladder's worth.
"Cooking" in a urine specimen cup for my machete wielding blow up man friend... I'm looking scarier all the time. :)
I know this is an old thread but I felt that I should contribute here. I spent a summer working in an aquatic ecology lab dealing with A LOT of liquid samples. The urine cups often failed on us - the lid's plastic would crack or it wouldn't get screwed on right - and as you mention, they are small.
We survived off of Nalgene products - they were a labware brand 20 years before they ever started marketing their stuff to outdoors-goers. The HDPE bottles were pretty much our lifeblood. Of the hundreds we used I didn't see a single one fail, and these had all been in use for years. Many are designed to withstand temperatures from -100 to +100 as well as be resistant to highly corrosive chemicals, and are guaranteed leakproof. They even have a lighter-weight economy version. We had some great 1/2L ones that were essentially the bottom half of the omnipresent 1L. Unfortunately I've never seen those exact ones for sale anywhere.