Doping and hiking

[squeezebox]

I've been watching the Tour de France for the last 3 weeks. Happy to say no doping alligations.
I contend that cycling is one of the cleanest sport because of the amount of testing.
American baseball and football can do anything they want because they are not tested. Are still doing steroids
Cyclists stopped that 20 yrs. ago
So my questions is have you heard of any performance enhancing drugs being used on the trail, ibuprophin excluded. or large amounts of caffine.
I've heard of things like marijuana and alcohol as non-enhancing drugs

[Likeapuma]

I've seen people predicting more record attempts on the long trails. I imagine it COULD get that competitive?

[OCDave]

..I contend that cycling is one of the cleanest sport because of the amount of testing.
...Cyclists stopped that 20 yrs. ago..

Surely, you jest!

[rocketsocks]

Naw, haven't heard anything, but I'm not exactly in the know...:cool:

[Feral Bill]

No money in hiking. When speed hiking becomes a money sport, people will cheat.

[Yankytyke]

What was the name of that woman who did the AT in a stupid quick time? She was crying through shin splints & terrible period pains...
she did it a year or two ago. I know she was in the national media.

[moytoy]

What was the name of that woman who did the AT in a stupid quick time? She was crying through shin splints & terrible period pains...
she did it a year or two ago. I know she was in the national media.
Why bring up an individuals name in this thread? We all know what her name is but please don't call out people you don't even know.

[Dogwood]

This is obviously a 12 a.m. Sat night/Sun morning question.

One thing is for sure. If Pop Tarts and Snickers are deemed banned performance enhancing drugs by a hiking oversight committee than there are going to be quite a few of you AT hikers having your 2000 Mile Certificates invalidated.

When so many of the merchants carrying those Stinger brand Energy Waffles with Lance's picture on the wrapper sought to distance themselves from the possible negative publicity backlash when he was found doping by unloading them at a steep discount I made out like a bandit buying up 200 of them at various outdoor locations. Notice the new wrappers are void of Lance's pic. Those things are like candy. Delish!

[rocketsocks]

This is obviously a 12 a.m. Sat night/Sun morning question.

One thing is for sure. If Pop Tarts and Snickers are deemed banned performance enhancing drugs by a hiking oversight committee than there are going to be quite a few of you AT hikers having your 2000 Mile Certificates invalidated.

When so many of the merchants carrying those Stinger brand Energy Waffles with Lance's picture on the wrapper sought to distance themselves from the possible negative publicity backlash when he was found doping by unloading them at a steep discount I made out like a bandit buying up 200 of them at various outdoor locations. Notice the new wrappers are void of Lance's pic. Those things are like candy. Delish!

Man, you gotta it bad, that's how it all starts...a good deal.

1-800-stingfree :D

[Mykneeshurt]

Thanks moytoy.

[leaftye]

Where do you draw the line with steroids? Is corticosteroids okay? Wouldn't it be an unfair advantage if someone used them to heal their blisters and sunburn faster? What about injections to help injuries to heal faster, specifically, joints?

Whatever, I don't care if people use them. Hell, with my troublesome ankle, I wouldn't mind using steroids if it meant finishing long hikes without limping. What others think doesn't really matter unless they're sponsoring me or buying my books.

[rocketsocks]

Where do you draw the line with steroids? Is corticosteroids okay? Wouldn't it be an unfair advantage if someone used them to heal their blisters and sunburn faster? What about injections to help injuries to heal faster, specifically, joints?

Whatever, I don't care if people use them. Hell, with my troublesome ankle, I wouldn't mind using steroids if it meant finishing long hikes without limping. What others think doesn't really matter unless they're sponsoring me or buying my books.hmmm, interesting point, I never thought of it that deep. :-?

[WingedMonkey]

If I told you what I used, I would be admitting to breaking the law.

Admitting to breaking the law is not allowed on WB.

[rocketsocks]

If I told you what I used, I would be admitting to breaking the law.

Admitting to breaking the law is not allowed on WB.

I didn't know eye of newt with a dash a pig platelets was illegal.

[ChuckT]

Headline: "Freeze dried Meal meals are loaded with ... and are therefore banned from Competitive Back packing. Food Co Ops to appeal ruling."

[kayak karl]

i take Flonase, its a steroid. does that count?

[Tipi Walter]

Bacon may be the ultimate Performance-Destroying Drug as on my last several trips I met several middle aged backpackers telling me of their heart stents and surgeries which they attributed to their previous high-fat diet. Just something to consider.:)

[brian039]

I pulled a neck muscle during my thru-hike and got a steroid shot for the pain. I couldn't get enough of the pointless climbs for a few days afterwards. Sure would be nice if our bodies felt that great without having to take drugs.

[lemon b]

Hiking is not a sport. Hiking is for fun. Lets never forget that fact. People may set goals but hiking is a vacation not a money thing never will be, no fan base. No fan base no money.

[Tipi Walter]

Hiking is not a sport. Hiking is for fun. Lets never forget that fact. People may set goals but hiking is a vacation not a money thing never will be, no fan base. No fan base no money.

But there does seem to be a tremendous fascination with high daily mileages and a drooling obsession with ultralight packs.

[rocketsocks]

But there does seem to be a tremendous fascination with high daily mileages and a drooling obsession with ultralight packs.
...as soon as the exploitative corporate sponsored machines start in and uses the AT for profit...I'm gone from team speed hike.

[Sarcasm the elf]

I caught rocketsocks trying to use banned elk antler spray on one hike. But the deer were moving to fast for him to spray them.

[Tipi Walter]

I caught rocketsocks trying to use banned elk antler spray on one hike. But the deer were moving to fast for him to spray them.

Thru careful study it has been determined that a natural doping substance enters the brain of any backpacker carrying more than a 60lb pack up a steep mountain trail. I know this to be true from a trip report I did in 2012---

CROWDERS
Phew, the hump up the Little Big Horn on the Fodderstack trail kicked open my medulla and squirted a mix of pure serotonin and watery diarrhea into my brain from an orifice situated near the base of my skull. At the top of the hill a mix of adrenaline and fresh urine poured over my tongue from the soft palate and caused my uvula to become erect. Taken together, these 4 substances are the body's natural reaction to backpacking with a fully loaded pack and will course thru a prepared and qualified backpacker willing to go the distance.

The body has a natural chemistry which remains hidden to all but the most robust backpackers who can carry real weight above 60 lbs. When the mix of stool, urine, serotonin and adrenaline hits the heart of such a backpacker, it produces a burst of energy equivalent to the enraged bite strength of an adult chihuahua.

Many first time backpackers just off the couch try to duplicate this headrush by ingesting their own stool and urine along with artificial serotonin and adrenal uptake which results in only self intoxication and congestive heart failure. The "bark of the hyena", not the bite of the chihuahua. It can only be achieved in the field with real world weight. It's a self-induced opiate state.

[Ricky&Jack]

I will NEVER do dope.

HOWEVER, I have no problem doing my gamma-ray squats before ANY good hike.




http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b607/Ricky_Sanftner/Hulk_Manoa_Falls_zps7f7f6985.jpg (http://s1294.photobucket.com/user/Ricky_Sanftner/media/Hulk_Manoa_Falls_zps7f7f6985.jpg.html)

[rocketsocks]

I caught rocketsocks trying to use banned elk antler spray on one hike. But the deer were moving to fast for him to spray them.
I told already...I had a bout of lysdexicsisism and thought it read 2/03/14....not 03/02/41' I don't even remember where my pappy said his grand pappy got that from, but the label was cool lookin'

...I didn't know deer could run that fast.:D

[rocketsocks]

Thru careful study it has been determined that a natural doping substance enters the brain of any backpacker carrying more than a 60lb pack up a steep mountain trail. I know this to be true from a trip report I did in 2012---

CROWDERS
Phew, the hump up the Little Big Horn on the Fodderstack trail kicked open my medulla and squirted a mix of pure serotonin and watery diarrhea into my brain from an orifice situated near the base of my skull. At the top of the hill a mix of adrenaline and fresh urine poured over my tongue from the soft palate and caused my uvula to become erect. Taken together, these 4 substances are the body's natural reaction to backpacking with a fully loaded pack and will course thru a prepared and qualified backpacker willing to go the distance.

The body has a natural chemistry which remains hidden to all but the most robust backpackers who can carry real weight above 60 lbs. When the mix of stool, urine, serotonin and adrenaline hits the heart of such a backpacker, it produces a burst of energy equivalent to the enraged bite strength of an adult chihuahua.

Many first time backpackers just off the couch try to duplicate this headrush by ingesting their own stool and urine along with artificial serotonin and adrenal uptake which results in only self intoxication and congestive heart failure. The "bark of the hyena", not the bite of the chihuahua. It can only be achieved in the field with real world weight. It's a self-induced opiate state.
That's freakin' Rich...you should bottle that stuff and give it out right before spring trail maintenance starts.

[Yankytyke]

Why bring up an individuals name in this thread? We all know what her name is but please don't call out people you don't even know.

I mentioned no names, & obviously I do not know her as I can't place her name. Hence I asked!
Nor do I suggest that she was doped. Why so combative?

[rocketsocks]

I will NEVER do dope.

HOWEVER, I have no problem doing my gamma-ray squats before ANY good hike.




http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b607/Ricky_Sanftner/Hulk_Manoa_Falls_zps7f7f6985.jpg (http://s1294.photobucket.com/user/Ricky_Sanftner/media/Hulk_Manoa_Falls_zps7f7f6985.jpg.html)


Ricky, put some close on man...your scarin' the wild life.:D

[rocketsocks]

Ricky, put some close on man...your scarin' the wild life.:D
Now I suppose I could come up with a fancy reason as to why I choose to spell clothes with the alternate zimbovba spelling...but I've a feelin' I'll not get away with it...so I won't even bother tryin' to crawfish outta this one:o

[Tipi Walter]

I will NEVER do dope.

HOWEVER, I have no problem doing my gamma-ray squats before ANY good hike.




http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b607/Ricky_Sanftner/Hulk_Manoa_Falls_zps7f7f6985.jpg (http://s1294.photobucket.com/user/Ricky_Sanftner/media/Hulk_Manoa_Falls_zps7f7f6985.jpg.html)

I'm so glad to see someone other than myself doing their all-important Squats, Catch-and-Releases, and Gyro-Flexes before and during a hike.

http://tipiwalter.smugmug.com/Backpacking2010/Coy-Williams-and-the-25th/i-9sBvC5n/0/L/TRIP%20114%20419-L.jpg
Here I am doing the powerful Citico Clenchings which if held for 10 minutes produces a mixture of urine and adrenaline to pour from the soft palate etc.

http://tipiwalter.smugmug.com/Backpacking2010/Coy-Williams-and-the-25th/i-4RmXcbQ/0/L/TRIP%20114%20418-L.jpg
To be followed by the Forward Heavings and held for 20 minutes. Who needs dope when you have natural elixirs.

[rocketsocks]

20 mynuts...that'll help to tighten up thee ol' gripper. :D

[Dogwood]

Tipi, that dog seems to be distancing itself from you kind of like it's saying NO, he's not with me.

[Another Kevin]

Tipi, that dog seems to be distancing itself from you kind of like it's saying NO, he's not with me.

Dog's just getting upwind.

[Gambit McCrae]

No money in hiking. When speed hiking becomes a money sport, people will cheat.

well said I agree

[Teacher & Snacktime]

All hikers are doping....in fact, I think we're downright junkies. Endorphins are wonderful things :)

[Ktaadn]

There are plenty of people not being paid to compete in a sport that are taking PED's. I would say this is less likely for long distance hiking, but you never know what people are motivated by.

I read this article a while ago. It gives some insight into what I'm talking about.

http://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/dropping-in/I-Couldn-t-Be-More-Positive.html

[Ricky&Jack]

I don't want to start an argument. But personally, i WOULD take performance enhancing drugs (Not because of hiking. for personal reasons only). In fact, i once went to a pharmacy in Mexico to see them for sale (But I didn't want to get busted by border patrol), so I just bought 2 viagras for $50 cash before visiting the brothel in Nuevo Laredo, Mexico.

I'm a fat guy. Who wishes he were more in shape. So I always have the "dream" of looking like the Rock.

Also, I'm sure there really is a way to make a small fortune on the trail is you break the record. "fortune" is used loosely. But you can get a few book deals, a TV movie, and paid speaking engagements. Maybe even paid,guided "section hikes" etc. There are ways.

But hopefully it doesn't come to that. Because I like having a 'sport' that's dominated by natural hikers.

[Teacher & Snacktime]

TMI Ricky! :-?

[Another Kevin]

I take performance enhancing drugs on the trail. If I can't have coffee, I'm not going. Ibuprofen on the first or second night out isn't unheard of, either. (And I have several other drugs in my pack, against the possibility of things like hives and tummy trouble.)

But ... most of us aren't on the trail to break any records. We just want to get out there and hike. And we usually say to the speed hikers things like, "If you're in such a @#$%! hurry, why are you walking?"

[rocketsocks]

I don't want to start an argument. But personally, i WOULD take performance enhancing drugs (Not because of hiking. for personal reasons only). In fact, i once went to a pharmacy in Mexico to see them for sale (But I didn't want to get busted by border patrol), so I just bought 2 viagras for $50 cash before visiting the brothel in Nuevo Laredo, Mexico.

I'm a fat guy. Who wishes he were more in shape. So I always have the "dream" of looking like the Rock.

Also, I'm sure there really is a way to make a small fortune on the trail is you break the record. "fortune" is used loosely. But you can get a few book deals, a TV movie, and paid speaking engagements. Maybe even paid,guided "section hikes" etc. There are ways.

But hopefully it doesn't come to that. Because I like having a 'sport' that's dominated by natural hikers.
some for riches
some come to play
some come to find themselves
while others come to stay~RS

Riches is not a monetary thing...it's a understanding in this case. :sun

Ricky....damn, your honest, hehe :)

[WingedMonkey]

"If you're in such a @#$%! hurry, why are you walking?"

I'd buy that t-shirt.
:sun

[rocketsocks]

I take a LARGE.....:D

X two, one for me, and one for the fella that pisses me off ;)

[shelb]

Had to give my brother his testosterone shot today. My teenage sons wondered what would happen if I gave them it (since they -supposedly- have normal levels...).

My 15 year old figured he would become a major he-man...lol
I told him he would just become an angry man... (however - I have NO clue!!)

[rocketsocks]

Had to give my brother his testosterone shot today. My teenage sons wondered what would happen if I gave them it (since they -supposedly- have normal levels...).

My 15 year old figured he would become a major he-man...lol
I told him he would just become an angry man... (however - I have NO clue!!)
Worked with a fella who was a complete lunatic, and that's putting it extremely nice. He lifted weights and took some kind of steroids...bunch a stuff, handfuls. This guy was out of control, and out of his mind...he was a total mess, I hated workin with jag-a-loup.......I went home/bar one day he pissed me off so bad, told the Boss "I ain't workin' with him no more, he's gonna get someone hurt" I can't even post the stuff he did here, it just ain't right, nasty stuff. He eventually went to a rehab and had to have a operation to have his breasts reduced, somehow it effected those and made them large like a Womens....funny/not funny.

[ChuckT]

The testosterone/estrogen levels appear to be a balancing act. Get them out of wack too long and too much and you are going to crash big time.

[Pedaling Fool]

Worked with a fella who was a complete lunatic, and that's putting it extremely nice. He lifted weights and took some kind of steroids...bunch a stuff, handfuls. This guy was out of control, and out of his mind...he was a total mess, I hated workin with jag-a-loup.......I went home/bar one day he pissed me off so bad, told the Boss "I ain't workin' with him no more, he's gonna get someone hurt" I can't even post the stuff he did here, it just ain't right, nasty stuff. He eventually went to a rehab and had to have a operation to have his breasts reduced, somehow it effected those and made them large like a Womens....funny/not funny.I've met a few people like that, you can get some pretty nasty stuff farily easily and it can have an effect on your disposition.

It ain't worth it, especially in the long run.

[rocketsocks]

I've met a few people like that, you can get some pretty nasty stuff farily easily and it can have an effect on your disposition.

It ain't worth it, especially in the long run.
...and the crazy thing is new it...didn't care. The guy was a beast, a monster, six pack abs doesn't even begin to cut it, his rips had rips..but what an *******. I'm sittin' here shakin' my head and laughin' at the stuff he did...ah damn to funny. :D

[Rolls Kanardly]

i take Flonase, its a steroid. does that count?
Flonase makes my nose run slower and it has an after taste. Rolls

[Rolls Kanardly]

Hiking is not a sport. Hiking is for fun. Lets never forget that fact. People may set goals but hiking is a vacation not a money thing never will be, no fan base. No fan base no money.

Every time I go to the Hikers Hiking Store and Money Exchange, the money flows quite fast from my hands to their hands and when my biggest fan (wifey) sees the credit card bill she always asked "Did you have fun at the Hikers Hiking Store & Money Exchange last weekend Dear". Yep I sure did.

Oh sorry lemon b. I am getting old and I sometimes lose directions. You were talking about the money flowing from them to me not me to them.:D Rolls

[greenmtnboy]

Add $$$ to the hiking equation and you would have an incentive. I always found alcohol to be antagonistic to most physical activity which has been pretty well proven. Natural health aids are invaluable IMO, bee pollen, royal jelly in honey, supernutrient powders and complexes, etc.. The hiker becomes really attuned to his/her energy and surroundings if they are fit. I can't imagine taking epo, testosterone stimulants or other unnatural substances just to "perform" better than others. Tiger balm and better quality essential oils applied to the legs does help prevent cramps and increases endurance in my experience.