what makes a creepy person

[RED-DOG]

SO what makes a CREEP a CREEP, when someone comes on WB and labels somebody a CREEP well what makes that person a creep whether it's a male or female, explain this to me.

[flemdawg1]

Do you mean the Radiohead or TLC version?

[10-K]

It's like porn... you can't define it but you know it when you see it.

[wornoutboots]

Last month on my JMT hike, a 45-50ish year old women stopped & took a break with our "trail family", we all hiked on one at a time, when it was just one 22 year old young man left & the women took ALL of her clothes off & told him, "I will never look this good again in my life", handed him her camera & said please take my picture & she posed in many many different poses.

What do you think would happen if a man did this to a 22 year old women??

Gotta love long trails, :) Ya just never know what kinda wildlife you'll come across.

[2015 Lady Thru-Hiker]

Wow!! That is beyond creepy. Sounds like that lady needs some serious consulting regarding body imagine issues and socially appropriate behavior.

[2015 Lady Thru-Hiker]

A surgeon I worked with is a creep. Always making inappropriate comments/jokes despite knowing they made people in the room uncomfortable. Partly a power trip for him because he knew they weren't going to do anything to him despite being reported for it. The part that made it creepy was that right after he would make the comment(as) he would immediately turn to you with a little smirk and say "now you're not going to report me are you?" Made me want to vomit!! He finally got the hint not to touch me when I started talking about the definition of assault & battery.

Haven't met a creep on the trail yet though :)

[swisscross]

Last month on my JMT hike, a 45-50ish year old women stopped & took a break with our "trail family", we all hiked on one at a time, when it was just one 22 year old young man left & the women took ALL of her clothes off & told him, "I will never look this good again in my life", handed him her camera & said please take my picture & she posed in many many different poses.

What do you think would happen if a man did this to a 22 year old women??

Gotta love long trails, :) Ya just never know what kinda wildlife you'll come across.

Ethel put your clothes back on!

[Seatbelt]

Went to the Dr years ago and when he was checking my prostrate he started whistling. I was ok with this until I realized he was whistling the Oscar Meyer song....:eek:

[illabelle]

Ethel put your clothes back on!

There's a good point to be made here:
If "Ethel" does something inappropriate, we think it's funny (and weird and creepy) but not too many people would feel physically threatened.
But if a dude did this, I'd be creeped out, and if alone, I'd definitely feel threatened. And I wouldn't think it was funny unless he was really old (like 95) and clearly no threat.
The fact is, males and females are differently sized and differently motivated, and our reactions to odd behavior has to be understood in that context.

[bangorme]

A creepy person is a person that isn't like you. So, in the case of the lady mentioned above, had she been a young, beautiful woman, the men wouldn't have found her to be creepy, but exciting. The same with women. If an older man does something they think is creepy, often it would be seen as something not negative if it was done by a young attractive man.

The one point I'll make, because I've discovered it as I've gotten older, is that older people don't feel older. So, they don't think doing young things is creepy, especially if around young people. I went back to college when I was in my 40's and 50's, and worked with many young people on projects. Most were fine with it. I had a great time. Same with the AT, where mostly younger people are backpacking.

So my advice, if you think someone is creepy, first avoid them. That's for your sake, and for their sake. No one wants to be around someone that feels that way about them. Second, take a good hard look at yourself and analyze why you thought they were creepy. I might be for good reason, or might be for a goofy reason.

[jred321]

Last month on my JMT hike, a 45-50ish year old women stopped & took a break with our "trail family", we all hiked on one at a time, when it was just one 22 year old young man left & the women took ALL of her clothes off & told him, "I will never look this good again in my life", handed him her camera & said please take my picture & she posed in many many different poses.


Was she attractive? Sounds like a missed opportunity for an even better story for a certain 22 year old young man

[flemdawg1]

Last month on my JMT hike, a 45-50ish year old women stopped & took a break with our "trail family", we all hiked on one at a time, when it was just one 22 year old young man left & the women took ALL of her clothes off & told him, "I will never look this good again in my life", handed him her camera & said please take my picture & she posed in many many different poses.

What do you think would happen if a man did this to a 22 year old women??

Gotta love long trails, :) Ya just never know what kinda wildlife you'll come across.

Well I'd heard Cougar attacks were common in CA...

[rhjanes]

A surgeon I worked with was a creep. Always making inappropriate comments/jokes despite knowing they made people in the room uncomfortable. Partly a power trip for him because he knew they weren't going to do anything to him despite being reported for it. The part that made it creepy was that right after he would make the comment(a) he would immediately turn to you with a little smirk and say "now you're not going to report me are you?" Made me want to vomit!! He finally got the hint not to touch me when I started talking about the definition of assault & battery.

Haven't met a creep on the trail yet though :)Sounds like a Passive/Aggressive personality....

[wornoutboots]

Was she attractive? Sounds like a missed opportunity for an even better story for a certain 22 year old young man

Not attractive but it made for some great laughs for the next week or so.

I just thought it was so fitting for this conversation!! Flip the tables & the cops may have been called on the guy. BUT we we're in California ya know :).

A few days later, another interesting solo 45ish lady, walks right up to our group, looked straight at me and said "Your not Brad".......... Um NO I'm not,..... we all just cracked up. She was a cool eccentric women who could have been labeled as creepy, but instead of labeling her, we had great conversation, laughs & exchanged N & S trail info. Gotta love our misfit "trail community".

[Wil]

explain this to meWhat do you need explained? You seem to have a pretty good grasp.

Some people think theirs is ice cream and the world is full of those who are different, who will steal their goods or attack them if they get half a chance, or even (shudder) make them feel uncomfortable.

[Cookerhiker]

...The one point I'll make, because I've discovered it as I've gotten older, is that older people don't feel older....

Here, here!:D

[rocketsocks]

Seems to be different degrees of Creepiness.

There's a young fella who creepin' on a girl...Cad
There's the "ole creepy guy"...harmless jack ass
There's the Weirdo with wandering eye...Creep
Then there's the total all out Creep, he know he's a Creep and just doesn't care...always tryin' to get over.

[rocketsocks]

Seems to be different degrees of Creepiness.

There's a young fella who creepin' on a girl...Cad
There's the "ole creepy guy"...harmless jack ass
There's the Weirdo with wandering eye...Creep
Then there's the total all out Creep, he know he's a Creep and just doesn't care...always tryin' to get over.oh, and One more...the touchy feely guy who wants to be your older brother but really wants to get in your...backpack....psycho creep.

[Seatbelt]

Seems to be different degrees of Creepiness.

There's a young fella who creepin' on a girl...Cad
There's the "ole creepy guy"...harmless jack ass
There's the Weirdo with wandering eye...Creep
Then there's the total all out Creep, he know he's a Creep and just doesn't care...always tryin' to get over.

Then ther's the Gen 1:24 kinda creep:D

[rocketsocks]

Then ther's the Gen 1:24 kinda creep:D
ooh, I don't know that one...I'll be on the look out!

[flemdawg1]

???

Genesis 1:24New International Version (NIV) 24 And God said, “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: the livestock, the creatures that move along the ground, and the wild animals, each according to its kind.” And it was so.

[rocketsocks]

???

Genesis 1:24New International Version (NIV) 24 And God said, “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: the livestock, the creatures that move along the ground, and the wild animals, each according to its kind.” And it was so.
ahhhh, thought he meant Generation 1.24...whatever that means, I just went with it, was blind but now I see.;)

[rocketsocks]

ahhhh, thought he meant Generation 1.24...whatever that means, I just went with it, was blind but now I see.;)
can I get a witness

[2015 Lady Thru-Hiker]

Went to the Dr years ago and when he was checking my prostrate he started whistling. I was ok with this until I realized he was whistling the Oscar Meyer song....:eek:

I sometimes really wish we had a like button on WB :)

[Wise Old Owl]

yea I cant touch this....

[Dogtra]

A creepy person is a person that isn't like you.

I find that definition to be far too simplistic. There are more types of people in this world than their are colors and flavors combined, and for the most part we coexist with them on a daily basis. Personally I like it that way. I would say a creep is someone that stretches socially unacceptable behavior beyond the line. Take a nudist in a nudist colony for example. I'm not like him/her. But I respect them for their lifestyle and wouldn't call him/her a creep. Now if you took that same person outside the area where nudity was socially acceptable and he/she began stripping and dancing nude to the tune of 'Sexy and I know it'.... Well that would likely enter "creep" status (and drug testing).

My worst "creep" moment was on a hitch-hike to resupply in town. I was alone, tired, and the heat was getting to me. When the truck pulled over I should have taken more time to assess the driver but I didn't. Once I was in and we were on the way, he immediately switched gears from pleasant introductions to "what a girl like you should do when a man tries to rape you" and why I "should just let him". I would have jumped out right then had the truck not been going so fast. I spent the entire hitch with my right hand on my knife, out of his line of sight, and I was ready for a fight. Thankfully it didn't go that far. He stopped in town and I jumped out and away. Now I had solo hitch-hiked many times before then with no problems. But in my haste I didn't take the time to stop and listen to my gut.

Did the guy act on any of the **** that was spewing from his mouth? No. But his topic of choice with a lone woman that had just gotten into his truck was downright CREEPY.... and then some. Whether he meant well or not - still a creep. There are people with busted filters between brain and mouth, then there are those with absolutely no filter whatsoever. Goodness.

[The Cleaner]

What's makes a "creepy person"? Someone one who puts "leave me the Hell alone" in their signature on a group forum board....:(

[kayak karl]

apparently asking people if they saw any roadkill at the road crossings helps.

[bangorme]

I find that definition to be far too simplistic...

Well, it wasn't meant to be an all inclusive definition, but simply the common denominator for creepiness. For example, if you go into a shelter, take all your clothes off, and sit there, and the next person coming in does the exact same thing... is one of them going to perceive that other as being creepy (and the state of being creepy is one of perception). I mean, there could be a perfectly good reason why I'm shaving with a machete, but most would find me to be creepy if I did so.

I'm a big proponent of ALWAYS following your gut. But that doesn't mean AFTERWARDS one shouldn't really do some self-examination of why that gut feeling occurred. For example, some people feel very uncomfortable with people of a different race. After some thought, it would seem likely that eventually a thoughtful person would come to terms with that general feeling and not feel creepy about it anymore.

[illabelle]

For example, if you go into a shelter, take all your clothes off, and sit there, and the next person coming in does the exact same thing... is one of them going to perceive that other as being creepy (and the state of being creepy is one of perception).

Uh oh! I think I might be creepy. :eek:
I've stripped down to nothing but shoes at least three times. Twice we were rain-soaked and getting cold. More recently, we were just sweaty and the cool breeze at the top of the hill was incredibly refreshing. Aaaaah!
:sun

[runt13]

Takes one to know one!

[Coffee]

If I take a two mile walk in one direction from my home after dark, I'll see far more "creepy" people than I will if I spend two weeks on the Appalachian Trail. And, no, I do not live in a ghetto but in a relatively nice part of a very large urban area.

[Cookerhiker]

Uh oh! I think I might be creepy. :eek:
I've stripped down to nothing but shoes at least three times. Twice we were rain-soaked and getting cold. More recently, we were just sweaty and the cool breeze at the top of the hill was incredibly refreshing. Aaaaah!
:sun

On my 2007 Long Trail thruhike, I surprised a young guy stripped to the buff when I reached Goddard Shelter. He was a NOBO AT thruhiker. It had been raining heavily for several hours and he was drying off the best possible way. He was somewhat embarrassed but I assured him "No problem - this is the trail." But I didn't follow (birthday) suit!

[illabelle]

On my 2007 Long Trail thruhike, I surprised a young guy stripped to the buff when I reached Goddard Shelter. He was a NOBO AT thruhiker. It had been raining heavily for several hours and he was drying off the best possible way. He was somewhat embarrassed but I assured him "No problem - this is the trail." But I didn't follow (birthday) suit!

I think I remember Goddard (we did southern VT last fall). I remember that we were damp and chilled and tired. The shelter faced into the afternoon sun and was semi-sheltered from wind. That was a pleasant place to finally dry some clothes and bask in the warm sunshine.

[swjohnsey]

Seems to me it is always the ugly ones that think everyone is hittin' on 'em.

[Ground Control]

What makes a creepy person? Usually all it takes is a judgmental person who isn't afraid to label another.

[rickb]

SO what makes a CREEP a CREEP, when someone comes on WB and labels somebody a CREEP well what makes that person a creep whether it's a male or female, explain this to me.

I think it's when they are:



Untrustworthy
Not loyal
Unhelpful
Not friendly
Not courteous
Unkind
Disobedient to the TOS
Not cheerful
Wasteful
Cowardly
Dirty
Irreverent


I think most of us could work on a few of those-- I know I could.

[runt13]

My point exactly, I think you would be creepy to think I'm creepy.

[Sarcasm the elf]

I think it's when they are:



Untrustworthy
Not loyal
Unhelpful
Not friendly
Not courteous
Unkind
Disobedient to the TOS
Not cheerful
Wasteful
Cowardly
Dirty
Irreverent


I think most of us could work on a few of those-- I know I could.

13) Doesn't do a good turn daily.

...Rickb, that was brilliant.

[Seatbelt]

???

Genesis 1:24New International Version (NIV) 24 And God said, “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: the livestock, the creatures that move along the ground, and the wild animals, each according to its kind.” And it was so.
Sorry I forgot to put the correct version with the reference--KJV says "Lert the earth bring forth the living creature......and every creeping thing....." Come to think of it, I know a couple of these.:D

[atraildreamer]

A surgeon I worked with is a creep. Always making inappropriate comments/jokes despite knowing they made people in the room uncomfortable. Partly a power trip for him because he knew they weren't going to do anything to him despite being reported for it. The part that made it creepy was that right after he would make the comment(as) he would immediately turn to you with a little smirk and say "now you're not going to report me are you?" Made me want to vomit!! He finally got the hint not to touch me when I started talking about the definition of assault & battery.

Haven't met a creep on the trail yet though :)


Buy a taser...be prepared to use it.

[magneto]

What makes someone "creepy" is entire subjective because you are the one who feels the emotion. The person you are reacting to has nothing to do with it. So if you think someone is "creepy", look deep inside yourself to find the problem. You are responsible for your feelings, not anyone else.

[shakey_snake]

apparently asking people if they saw any roadkill at the road crossings helps.

When you introduce yourself and start talking about "stewin' meat" I think it'd get to anyone. :D

[Mags]

When I was 19 years old, I worked in a hospital cafeteria. I was bent over, stocking silverware or similar.

A female nurse, who was mid-late 50s, pinched my rear end.

I always thought if the situation was reversed (19 year old female, mid-late 50s male), it would not have been as tolerated. :)

[2015 Lady Thru-Hiker]

When I was 19 years old, I worked in a hospital cafeteria. I was bent over, stocking silverware or similar.

A female nurse, who was mid-late 50s, pinched my rear end.

I always thought if the situation was reversed (19 year old female, mid-late 50s male), it would not have been as tolerated. :)

Unless you were the surgeon I mentioned above. If they bring a lot of money into the hospital, especially now, they are almost bullet-proof.

[rocketsocks]

When I was 19 years old, I worked in a hospital cafeteria. I was bent over, stocking silverware or similar.

A female nurse, who was mid-late 50s, pinched my rear end.

I always thought if the situation was reversed (19 year old female, mid-late 50s male), it would not have been as tolerated. :)
You make a good point. Women are Cougars Men are Creeps.

[Mags]

Unless you were the surgeon I mentioned above. If they bring a lot of money into the hospital, especially now, they are almost bullet-proof.

Well, a few years later I was still working at the same hospital (orderly). One of my security guard friends talked about finding a secretary and a surgeon...er,busy in the hospital library at night. The surgeon chuckled when he report was brought to his attention. The secretary was fired. That was 17 or 18 years ago.

[Pedaling Fool]

A lot of women do a lot of "creepy" things, by creepy, I mean things that guys just can't get away with. How many times have you had your haircut and women bump into you or even rest their boobs on you; I even had a girl I thought was trying to stick her boob up my ear. And there are a lot of girls that like to bump you with their boobs...why do they do that? (not that I'm creeped out:D).

What about them women that want to squeeze your arms and even your chest (man boobies:)) as they are talking to you. Can you imgaine if a guy did that...


P.S. Just to be clear, I don't come away thinking they are creepy. I usually come away thinking: "what a nice girl that was":);)

[2015 Lady Thru-Hiker]

Well, a few years later I was still working at the same hospital (orderly). One of my security guard friends talked about finding a secretary and a surgeon...er,busy in the hospital library at night. The surgeon chuckled when he report was brought to his attention. The secretary was fired. That was 17 or 18 years ago.

That hasn't really changed from my observation. It has to be really blatant for them to fire the "money-makers". As in really over the boundaries and witnessed by multiple people.

[Old_Man]

Creepy is just a word with countless difference associations to everyone.

When I think of creepy, I think of scary. When I think of scary, I think life-threatening. Getting hit on by someone? Not creepy. Getting followed? Creepy.

[off-pher]

Creepy is a state of mind. It is fear. Some people have a lot of fear.
What I think is creepy maybe an every day thing to some one else.............
Learn to control your fears which are nothing more than emotions..........
The same as Love or Hate. Both are fears.......Emotions.....................
Ladies go with your gut feelings carry MACE and be ready to use it.....
Just not on me I'm not Creepy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Lone Wolf]

mace is useless

[Sarcasm the elf]

mace is useless

Since when?

[Drybones]

There's a good point to be made here:
If "Ethel" does something inappropriate, we think it's funny (and weird and creepy) but not too many people would feel physically threatened.
But if a dude did this, I'd be creeped out, and if alone, I'd definitely feel threatened. And I wouldn't think it was funny unless he was really old (like 95) and clearly no threat.
The fact is, males and females are differently sized and differently motivated, and our reactions to odd behavior has to be understood in that context.

I could be charged with assault with a dead weapon.

[Old Hiker]

mace is useless

http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?&id=HN.608041926291556011&w=300&h=300&c=0&pid=1.9&rs=0&p=0

I dunno. It gets the job done if handled correctly.

It's just whackin'.

[illabelle]

I could be charged with assault with a dead weapon.

Haha! Had to read that a couple times. :)

[Deacon]

Went to the Dr years ago and when he was checking my prostrate he started whistling. I was ok with this until I realized he was whistling the Oscar Meyer song....:eek:

Just make sure that during the prostate check, he doesn't put both hands on your shoulders. [emoji274]

[ChuckT]

If you press me for a definition for creepiness I would have to say that my antennae go up when another individual does not behave in a manner that fits the situation.

Examples I have seen:
Male, a young boy with the mannerisms of a young girl of the same age.
Female - a pre-teen behaving wantonly as if she was + 20 years older. She was a foster child and I was warned before hand that she had been abused by an older male relative.

I am by no means a professional in this subject. And I think women use and maybe overuse (?) the tag to label unwanted attentions where men use it in a more generalized and derogatory sense.

[off-pher]

mace is useless
It is against a person when sprayed in the eyes.
It is quite effective. I do see your point though
it must be ready in your hand. So if a person
does feel uneasy about some one be ready to
defend yourself accordingly. If you have one of
these (gut feelings) go ahead and get your mace-
pepper spray out BEFORE HAND and hold it until
you feel safe. Always be aware of your surroundings
always be ready.......................................

[rocketsocks]

http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?&id=HN.608041926291556011&w=300&h=300&c=0&pid=1.9&rs=0&p=0

I dunno. It gets the job done if handled correctly.

It's just whackin'.now that's funny.

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT2cl20HV9a4ChnpwBkvCHgeaJzw4Ji8 NUhCLhi0h8UlpoU1D-W:www.masqueradecostume.co.uk/images/uploaded/products/product_763_001_lg.jpgfill this with mace, not a creep alive who wouldn't smell your flower if asked.

[Coffee]

This thread is getting creepy.

[A.T.Lt]

Since when?
LEO's haven't used "mace" since the 1980's. They all carry pepper spray, which is much more effective. The way mace worked was you had to spray it below the subjects head/nose, then the vapors of the mace would rise and you would inhale it. If you failed to properly hit the target or it was windy or the subject was prone it was useless. Pepper spray you go right for the face and oaks instantly (but not ALL the time!!)

[atraildreamer]

LEO's haven't used "mace" since the 1980's. They all carry pepper spray, which is much more effective. The way mace worked was you had to spray it below the subjects head/nose, then the vapors of the mace would rise and you would inhale it. If you failed to properly hit the target or it was windy or the subject was prone it was useless. Pepper spray you go right for the face and oaks instantly (but not ALL the time!!)

Accidentally sprayed myself with pepper spray, :eek: (long story how it occurred). A small drop of the spray only hit my forehead, but the vapor from that single drop was enough to burn my eyes and start me wheezing. :mad: A little goes a long way! :datz

[Sarcasm the elf]

LEO's haven't used "mace" since the 1980's. They all carry pepper spray, which is much more effective. The way mace worked was you had to spray it below the subjects head/nose, then the vapors of the mace would rise and you would inhale it. If you failed to properly hit the target or it was windy or the subject was prone it was useless. Pepper spray you go right for the face and oaks instantly (but not ALL the time!!)

A.T.L.T., I know what you are talking about, but to the average person the term Mace is usually used to generically describe civilian self defense sprays, most commonly pepper spray...Just think of how many people incorrectly say Bear Mace. I'm not even sure if they still make civilian sprays that are strictly CN Tear gas.

[rocketsocks]

A.T.L.T., I know what you are talking about, but to the average person the term Mace is usually used to generically describe civilian self defense sprays, most commonly pepper spray...Just think of how many people incorrectly say Bear Mace. I'm not even sure if they still make civilian sprays that are strictly CN Tear gas.
That's what I took it to mean...all encompassing, anything that hurts and burns.

[rickb]

A.T.L.T., I know what you are talking about, but to the average person the term Mace is usually used to generically describe civilian self defense sprays, most commonly pepper spray...Just think of how many people incorrectly say Bear Mace. I'm not even sure if they still make civilian sprays that are strictly CN Tear gas.

Not sure why you would want anything characterized as "civilian".

Fox Labs 5.3 is well regarded, and comes in options that are small enough to be inconspicuous and accessible on a hitch or when fido come bounding up the trail. Or when sizing up a creepy shelter mate.

[Sarcasm the elf]

Not sure why you would want anything characterized as "civilian".
.

I only threw the word civilian in there to mean the sprays that I've looked into that are commonly available to the public at stores or online.

I guess it's a moot point for you and I to discuss since sadly most of us are not even able to carry pepper spray in your state.:(:rolleyes:

[A.T.Lt]

A.T.L.T., I know what you are talking about, but to the average person the term Mace is usually used to generically describe civilian self defense sprays, most commonly pepper spray...Just think of how many people incorrectly say Bear Mace. I'm not even sure if they still make civilian sprays that are strictly CN Tear gas.

I know! I still call it mace still regardless!:)

[jjozgrunt]

Getting followed? Creepy.

On a less than serious note, if I am following you on the trail, I'm not creepy, we are just going the same way!

[2015 Lady Thru-Hiker]

On a less than serious note, if I am following you on the trail, I'm not creepy, we are just going the same way!

And if I happen to be following behind you going uphill, please ignore all the creepy grunting and moaning you hear :o it's just me trying to fight my way up the hill. nothing personal.:)

[jjozgrunt]

And if I happen to be following behind you going uphill, please ignore all the creepy grunting and moaning you hear :o it's just me trying to fight my way up the hill. nothing personal.:)

Better a hiker grunting behind me, than a big brown furry thing with claws. The creepy thing I need to get pointed out to me is poison ivy.

[daddytwosticks]

And if I happen to be following behind you going uphill, please ignore all the creepy grunting and moaning you hear :o it's just me trying to fight my way up the hill. nothing personal.:)
Should I ignore your deep breathing? :)

[kayak karl]

Don't walk behind me; I may not lead. Don't walk in front of me; I may not follow. Don't walk beside me either. Just leave me alone. :rolleyes:

[Drybones]

It's like beauty....in the eyes of the beholder.

[Cookerhiker]

And if I happen to be following behind you going uphill, please ignore all the creepy grunting and moaning you hear :o it's just me trying to fight my way up the hill. nothing personal.:)

And I thought it was only guys who grunted!:)

[Gary62]

What makes a creepy person? Usually all it takes is a judgmental person who isn't afraid to label another.

Yep, almost everyone. It's a fun topic anyhow!

[rickb]

I guess it's a moot point for you and I to discuss since sadly most of us are not even able to carry pepper spray in your state.:(:rolleyes:

Looks like the law has just been changed, and it now legal for adults to carry pepper spray in MA now.

http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2014/08/easthampton_police_chief_new_g.html

[Sarcasm the elf]

Looks like the law has just been changed, and it now legal for adults to carry pepper spray in MA now.

http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2014/08/easthampton_police_chief_new_g.html

Excellent news! Thank you for the article!

[Speakeasy TN]

Fair warning! I'm weird not creepy! I'd even go for goofy!

[atmilkman]

Fair warning! I'm weird not creepy! I'd even go for goofy!
The only thing creepy about me is the speed at which I hike. Wait a minute - that's creeping. Sorry about that.

[Seatbelt]

The only thing creepy about me is the speed at which I hike. Wait a minute - that's creeping. Sorry about that.

Refer to post #40:)

[med2]

SO what makes a CREEP a CREEP, when someone comes on WB and labels somebody a CREEP well what makes that person a creep whether it's a male or female, explain this to me.

Well, for me its the hikers that need to have recognition while hiking the trail. Yes, recognition while hiking the trail.

They are the ones that hike in furry coats, business suits and any number of attention getting attire or acts. To me that is 'creepy' for lack of a better term.

I hike the trail for different reasons, I guess. When I started hiking the AT in the early 80's the trail mood and hikers were not seeking attention or recognition. We shared advice, stories about the trail and occasional talk about work, but I can't remember a time when 'attention getting' was seen or heard of.

Of course there were those that wanted to hike the trail the fastest or in winter or barefoot, but not to simply get attention but to accomplish something, not to say "hey, look at me, my mom and friends think I'm cool."

"The talent of success is nothing more than doing what you can do well and doing well whatever you do without thought of fame." -Henry Wadsworth Longfellow

[NY HIKER 50]

Let's get this thread back on track. I have not had the chance to read the whole thread for time constraints so if anyone answered it, sorry. A creep is someone that makes you feel uncomfortable, is hostile, inappropriate behavior, or in general acting out in an antisocial manner. Anyone else want to add anything?

[kenforbus]

Since when?

Since the invention OC Spray. Oleoresin Capsicum is much better than mace. Either way you go have a plan because it is going to take a few seconds for either to have an effect. I spray a many people a year in training and everyone reacts differently, some (7%0 it does not affect at all, the rest result in things from panic to total calmness. If the mindset is to really hurt you mace nor OC is probably not going to give you much chance.

[tiptoe]

A creep is someone who makes me feel uneasy, for whatever reason. That's not necessarily the same as a weirdo, who might be odd but not someone I need to get away from fast.

[JaketheFake]

Accidentally sprayed myself with pepper spray, :eek: (long story how it occurred). A small drop of the spray only hit my forehead, but the vapor from that single drop was enough to burn my eyes and start me wheezing. :mad: A little goes a long way! :datz

We have all the time in the world....do tell!

[Five Tango]

Let's get this thread back on track. I have not had the chance to read the whole thread for time constraints so if anyone answered it, sorry. A creep is someone that makes you feel uncomfortable, is hostile, inappropriate behavior, or in general acting out in an antisocial manner. Anyone else want to add anything?

Some of us are more sensitive than others to a "vibe" that people give off.You know something is wrong when you feel it.Often times you get the vibe when you look them in the eye.The eyes are said to be the window to the soul.Not to say that you can't be fooled but often times there is a "look" to the eye that is "off" to the point you feel it in your gutt that something is wrong and you get that "creeped out" feeling.

[TexasBob]

A creep is someone who makes me feel uneasy, for whatever reason. That's not necessarily the same as a weirdo, who might be odd but not someone I need to get away from fast.


Some of us are more sensitive than others to a "vibe" that people give off.You know something is wrong when you feel it.......

Creepy people to me are people who seem be odd, sneaky and waiting for an opportunity for mischief at someone else's expense. Lots of people are strange or weird but without any potential bad intent. Creeps give off a vibe and strange folks don't to me. Strange people can be interesting to be around but creepy people make me very uneasy.

[Wise Old Owl]

I think it's when they are:



Untrustworthy
Not loyal
Unhelpful
Not friendly
Not courteous
Unkind
Disobedient to the TOS
Not cheerful
Wasteful
Cowardly
Dirty
Irreverent


I think most of us could work on a few of those-- I know I could.


Creepy is a state of mind. It is fear. Some people have a lot of fear.
What I think is creepy maybe an every day thing to some one else.............
Learn to control your fears which are nothing more than emotions..........
The same as Love or Hate. Both are fears.......Emotions.....................
Just not on me I'm not Creepy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Let's get this thread back on track. I have not had the chance to read the whole thread for time constraints so if anyone answered it, sorry. A creep is someone that makes you feel uncomfortable, is hostile, inappropriate behavior, or in general acting out in an antisocial manner. Anyone else want to add anything?

Well I like these posts but like a good poker player it leaves out the "tells" Have you considered there may be more to the person that is socially unacceptable... There isn't "just" one thing. there are bunch of notes that may get you branded in a bad way...

When someone says you have too many opinions....
Everyone asks you to talk less.
When a Hiker says "can you just leave me alone!"
When you are stuck listening to people talk about how good or bad their lives are in comparison to yours.
Insistent comment you are hiking with all the wrong equipment.
When a unfamiliar hiker with no kids says.... "your kid needs a muzzle!"
When a miserable someone you met once holds a grudge against you for three years.
When you ask for a small favor and they say "absolutely not"
Someone you don't know drills into your past in five minutes about what college you went to and it wasn't Yale or Harvard
That darn stare at the person behind you that isn't there.
Creepy demands that the person you do like befriending doesn't measure up in the eyes of the other.
Someone that makes you feel awkward over the smallest things.
An artistic person that constantly mid-reads your posts because their attention deficit - doesn't take the right medications.
Pink blazing the trail by young men....
People that have conversations with the dirt you stand on and can't look you in the eye,,,,

Just getting started.... Wish I had spent more time paying attention in my Psychology class. Feel free to ad to the list as I came up with these from experience in no particular order.

[Traffic Jam]

Well I like these posts but like a good poker player it leaves out the "tells" Have you considered there may be more to the person that is socially unacceptable... There isn't "just" one thing. there are bunch of notes that may get you branded in a bad way...

When someone says you have too many opinions....
Everyone asks you to talk less.
When a Hiker says "can you just leave me alone!"
When you are stuck listening to people talk about how good or bad their lives are in comparison to yours.
Insistent comment you are hiking with all the wrong equipment.
When a unfamiliar hiker with no kids says.... "your kid needs a muzzle!"
When a miserable someone you met once holds a grudge against you for three years.
When you ask for a small favor and they say "absolutely not"
Someone you don't know drills into your past in five minutes about what college you went to and it wasn't Yale or Harvard
That darn stare at the person behind you that isn't there.
Creepy demands that the person you do like befriending doesn't measure up in the eyes of the other.
Someone that makes you feel awkward over the smallest things.
An artistic person that constantly mid-reads your posts because their attention deficit - doesn't take the right medications.
Pink blazing the trail by young men....
People that have conversations with the dirt you stand on and can't look you in the eye,,,,

Just getting started.... Wish I had spent more time paying attention in my Psychology class. Feel free to ad to the list as I came up with these from experience in no particular order.


Disagree...most of those are examples of aholes, not creeps. The rest I don't understand. :)

[squeezebox]

Come over to my house after midnight tonight and I'll let you know!!

[squeezebox]

But seriously there are the sexual creepoes who peek at women in the privy, or bathing near the creek, not to mention pink blazing. No means No. But there there also the right wing crepoes, who have a a gun and a Rambo knife strapped to their leg, maybe an attack dog. Around them I fear for my life.

[Wise Old Owl]

Disagree...most of those are examples of aholes, not creeps. The rest I don't understand. :)

ahhh that we can agree on.

[Puddlefish]

Creep factor is subjective. Different people get creeped out by different things. Some people make being overly concerned an art form and take pride in their phobias.

I was on my honeymoon and was taking a picture of the sunset across the ocean and beach, and this woman got in my face, because she thought I was taking pictures of her. In her mind, I was a creep, in my mind, she was the creep.

[George]

Well, for me its the hikers that need to have recognition while hiking the trail. Yes, recognition while hiking the trail.

They are the ones that hike in furry coats, business suits and any number of attention getting attire or acts. To me that is 'creepy' for lack of a better term.

I hike the trail for different reasons, I guess. When I started hiking the AT in the early 80's the trail mood and hikers were not seeking attention or recognition. We shared advice, stories about the trail and occasional talk about work, but I can't remember a time when 'attention getting' was seen or heard of.

Of course there were those that wanted to hike the trail the fastest or in winter or barefoot, but not to simply get attention but to accomplish something, not to say "hey, look at me, my mom and friends think I'm cool."

"The talent of success is nothing more than doing what you can do well and doing well whatever you do without thought of fame." -Henry Wadsworth Longfellow

wrapped a little tight there - it is called having fun, and is not hurting anyone

[T.S.Kobzol]

Majority of the creeps on the trail are the women ...

...unless they're into me ...

then we might have something to talk about ;-)

[Sarcasm the elf]

Well, for me its the hikers that need to have recognition while hiking the trail. Yes, recognition while hiking the trail.

They are the ones that hike in furry coats, business suits and any number of attention getting attire or acts. To me that is 'creepy' for lack of a better term.

I hike the trail for different reasons, I guess. When I started hiking the AT in the early 80's the trail mood and hikers were not seeking attention or recognition. We shared advice, stories about the trail and occasional talk about work, but I can't remember a time when 'attention getting' was seen or heard of.

Of course there were those that wanted to hike the trail the fastest or in winter or barefoot, but not to simply get attention but to accomplish something, not to say "hey, look at me, my mom and friends think I'm cool."

"The talent of success is nothing more than doing what you can do well and doing well whatever you do without thought of fame." -Henry Wadsworth Longfellow

While I understand and appreciate the point you are making, I thought it was worth mentioning that polyester business suits, dress shirts and slacks are excellent clothes for backpacking and a full set can be bought for a few dollars at a thrift shop. Just a good dirtbag hiking tip.

[Five Tango]

But seriously there are the sexual creepoes who peek at women in the privy, or bathing near the creek, not to mention pink blazing. No means No. But there there also the right wing crepoes, who have a a gun and a Rambo knife strapped to their leg, maybe an attack dog. Around them I fear for my life.

Anyone carrying a gun that can be seen by others is subject to being considered creepy even by us other licensed not so creepy gun owners.Big knives not so much as the person may not know that a Mora knife is plenty adequate for most any task in the woods.Visible firearms are enough to creep out most anybody!

[Traveler]

While I understand and appreciate the point you are making, I thought it was worth mentioning that polyester business suits, dress shirts and slacks are excellent clothes for backpacking and a full set can be bought for a few dollars at a thrift shop. Just a good dirtbag hiking tip.

Dang... does that mean I should sell my polyester leisure suit and purple velvet fedora hiking outfit in favor of that high end social fashion?

[squeezebox]

Anyone carrying a gun that can be seen by others is subject to being considered creepy even by us other licensed not so creepy gun owners.Big knives not so much as the person may not know that a Mora knife is plenty adequate for most any task in the woods.Visible firearms are enough to creep out most anybody!


Thanks for the clarification !!

[George]

Dang... does that mean I should sell my polyester leisure suit and purple velvet fedora hiking outfit in favor of that high end social fashion?
yeah, don't you know dudes are not in style any more unless they hike in a dress

[George]

Anyone carrying a gun that can be seen by others is subject to being considered creepy even by us other licensed not so creepy gun owners.Big knives not so much as the person may not know that a Mora knife is plenty adequate for most any task in the woods.Visible firearms are enough to creep out most anybody!

how about if my biceps are considered "guns" do I need to cover them up so as not to violate your tender feelings

[dudeijuststarted]

North of Waynesboro, a friend and I ran into a gross and insane woman in a see thru fishnet dress who claimed she was on the last thru hike for her Triple Crown. She came racing downwhill, threw her pack on the ground and said it was the toughest elevation she's ever dealt with. She proceeded to squat down legs wide apart in the creek, upstream from where I was filling my water bottle, and started splashing water directly onto her private parts (yes I stopped getting water immediately and had to go without for another 2 miles.) She then rambled on about looking like Madonna, so we left.

Creep? I dunno. Absolute nutcase? Oh for sure.

[kayak karl]

If you don't know what make a creepy person creepy you may be one yourself.......just saying ;)

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[mylesrowe]

Any snl fans?
https://youtu.be/tLPZmPaHme0


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[kimbur96]

I guess everyone has their own definition or feeling of what make a creep a creep. A big one for me is when a guy talks to your boobs and not your face. Um hello, my eyes are up here. I do a lot of running and had a guy make 3 u turns in his car to follow me, that definitely creeped me out, i started sending the car description and license to a friend via text just in case.

[egilbe]

I guess everyone has their own definition or feeling of what make a creep a creep. A big one for me is when a guy talks to your boobs and not your face. Um hello, my eyes are up here. I do a lot of running and had a guy make 3 u turns in his car to follow me, that definitely creeped me out, i started sending the car description and license to a friend via text just in case.

Boobs...what were you saying?

Ok, I kid...a little. Men look at pretty women. Turning around in a car to look at/follow one is creepy. And you know, ypu miss looking at all the pretty women ahead of you.

[kimbur96]

Boobs...what were you saying?

Ok, I kid...a little. Men look at pretty women. Turning around in a car to look at/follow one is creepy. And you know, ypu miss looking at all the pretty women ahead of you.
I get that men look, and a quick glance not a problem. I'd be lying if I didn't steal a glance at a well built man, but staring becomes and invasion of privacy.

[egilbe]

Staring is creepy...and the drool

[Dogwood]

What makes a creepy person?
Asking such a question sounds creepy. :o

[Dogwood]

http://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=33550&d=1454537881

[egilbe]

Luggage? On the PCT?

[Five Tango]

[QUOTE=George;2039124]how about if my biceps are considered "guns" do I need to cover them up so as not to violate your tender feelings[/QUOTE

No,my point is that as a CCW permit holder I would not let anyone see my weapon(assuming I was carrying it) but I am creeped out by anyone carrying outside their pants like Pancho Villa.A gentleman does not intimidate anyone with a visible weapon.That is what creeps and/or jerks do.

[egilbe]

[QUOTE=George;2039124]how about if my biceps are considered "guns" do I need to cover them up so as not to violate your tender feelings[/QUOTE

No,my point is that as a CCW permit holder I would not let anyone see my weapon(assuming I was carrying it) but I am creeped out by anyone carrying outside their pants like Pancho Villa.A gentleman does not intimidate anyone with a visible weapon.That is what creeps and/or jerks do.

Why would anyone feel intimidated by the open carry of a firearm? Such a silly sentiment.

[KnightErrant]

I would say a creep is anyone who treats another person like a thing instead of like a person.

A creep might look at a girl (or a guy) like a piece of meat or a toy. A creep might make comments about a person (specifically about their body) as if the subject of the remarks was not present or capable of hearing and understanding. And a creep might deliberately make other people feel unsafe or powerless for their own entertainment. Non-creepy people don't behave this way toward other humans.

I interned for a while with a baseball team in Dominican Republic and I got used to a lot of staring because I was outnumbered by dudes by about 30:1, and I was also young and foreign. And to me there was always a clear distinction between the guys looking because they just don't have a lot of opportunities to check out women, and the guys who I would have been afraid to encounter alone. The first group, if they saw I had noticed them staring, would either be slightly embarrassed and look away, or they would start an actual conversation with me. The second group, if they saw that I had noticed them, would keep staring. I recall two men in particular that made me so uncomfortable. If they saw that I had noticed them, they would proceed to look me up and down and make audible comments about the different parts of my body to each other. When they looked at me, I felt like... prey. It was very creepy. Don't be like those guys.

[TexasBob]

North of Waynesboro, a friend and I ran into a gross and insane woman in a see thru fishnet dress who claimed she was on the last thru hike for her Triple Crown. She came racing downwhill, threw her pack on the ground and said it was the toughest elevation she's ever dealt with. She proceeded to squat down legs wide apart in the creek, upstream from where I was filling my water bottle, and started splashing water directly onto her private parts (yes I stopped getting water immediately and had to go without for another 2 miles.) She then rambled on about looking like Madonna, so we left.

Creep? I dunno. Absolute nutcase? Oh for sure.

We were in Waterton Lakes NP going to hike the Crypt Lake Trail and you had take a ferry boat to reach the trail head. A stunningly beautiful woman with an amazing figure boarded the boat in a bikini. She hiked the trail wearing the bikini and boots carrying a water bottle and had no pack. Lucky the weather was good and stayed good or hypothermia would have been a real possibility. Creepy? No. Nutcase? Yes.

[Five Tango]

[QUOTE=Five Tango;2039207]

Why would anyone feel intimidated by the open carry of a firearm? Such a silly sentiment.

I support your right to carry it as I have a license and carry frequently.I do not understand you desire to "show it off to strangers"
as some people consider that to be a form of intimidation.If you are a hunter with a long rifle or shotgun,then it's not an issue.

[rocketsocks]

There is no open carry on the AT and the reason it's called consealed carry (where it is allowed) is becuase its supposed to be carried consealed. One reason it is consealed is because if it is not, it becomes vulnerable to theft and is no longer in the procession of the intended supposed qualified person.

[Sarcasm the elf]

There is no open carry on the AT and the reason it's called consealed carry (where it is allowed) is becuase its supposed to be carried consealed. One reason it is consealed is because if it is not, it becomes vulnerable to theft and is no longer in the procession of the intended supposed qualified person.

Open carry is perfectly legal on the A.T. in a number of jurisdictions.

[Five Tango]

Open carry is perfectly legal on the A.T. in a number of jurisdictions.

Well so is Farting in elevators.Is it polite or socially acceptable?It's legal!Anybody that can't conceal their weapons should really do some research and not come off like Rambo or some B grade cowboy movie actor.

[Sarcasm the elf]

Well so is Farting in elevators.Is it polite or socially acceptable?It's legal!Anybody that can't conceal their weapons should really do some research and not come off like Rambo or some B grade cowboy movie actor.

Settle down. I was stating a fact, not getting into a pissing contest.

[MisterQ]

Pissing contests are unquestionably creepy.

[Sarcasm the elf]

Pissing contests are unquestionably creepy.

Only when they're held indoors. :eek:

[rocketsocks]

Open carry is perfectly legal on the A.T. in a number of jurisdictions.my bad, thanks Elf wasn't aware of that. Wow! Open carry, kinda supprised...where?

[rocketsocks]

Only when they're held indoors. :eek:outdoor pissing contest aren't allowed anywhere on the A.T.

working on a 2 outta 3 here :D

[Dogwood]

...Farting in elevators.Is it polite or socially acceptable?...

If it doesn't smell and released with no noise it's acceptable. If you're on a first date with a model who is clutching a Luis Vitton handbag it is not advisable. She might hear or smell something. If you're taking the elevator down with Japanese Biz men you're making a multi-million dollar deal with it is unacceptable. If you're showing respect to some Arab Middle Eastern countries cultures farting and belching are acceptable. If you're in Germany...; oh the Germans. They fart a lot. If you've been up all night going to B-fast after a Super Bowl party it's manly to let out a really loud smelly one especially if the people in the elevator are the ones you made a bet with and beat them to add more insult to their loss. If it was you who lost the Super Bowl bet it's also good to let out a loud smelly one to enact some revenge regaining your alpha male dominance.;)

[egilbe]

Well so is Farting in elevators.Is it polite or socially acceptable?It's legal!Anybody that can't conceal their weapons should really do some research and not come off like Rambo or some B grade cowboy movie actor.
Thats a perception that is all in your head :D
I look at someone carrying a firearm and think to myself "Wow! All that extra weight he has to carry"

do you look at police officers as wannabe Rambo types? Military as wannabe Rambo types? Those are perceptions that you carry and with counseling and time and effort, they can be corrected.

[Five Tango]

Ok,I'll bite.I look at policemen as trained professionals doing a job and risking their lives for less money than most people would take for their services.I look at all military as "better be" Rambo types because it is their job to be combat proficient.No,I don't think I need counseling for pointing out that it's only polite to keep your firearm concealed in social situations if you are just an ordinary citizen and I don't appreciate your attempt to put words in my mouth either.

[egilbe]

And maybe the hiker is an off duty policeman, or a veteran? An irrational fear is still irrational, whether its killer bunnies, bears or guns. Hiking is not known to be a social situation. Most people hike alone. Ive been around firearms my entire life. Never had the occasion to shoot anyone, never had my firearms shoot me, nor was I ever afraid of being shot, except for that one time outside of El Paso when someone was actually shooting at me.

[ALLEGHENY]

I don't care if you carry it open or concealed. Just keep it in a holster. Don't be waiving it around, and don't point your strap on at me.

[kenforbus]

Just because you can doesn't mean you should.


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[egilbe]

I don't care if you carry it open or concealed. Just keep it in a holster. Don't be waiving it around, and don't point your strap on at me.
This is a reasonable expectation

[Wise Old Owl]

Lets skip the gun discussion. Keep it on track about creepy people.
Willem Dafoe

Gary Oldman

Steve Buscemi

John Malkovich

Christopher Walken

Udo Kier

Alan Rickman


etc....

[Wise Old Owl]

damn forgot

Paul Reubens

[ALLEGHENY]

WHO are they?

[Wise Old Owl]

Feel free to Google.

[sheepdog]

https://youtu.be/dbsmbCWUNEE

[Pedaling Fool]

The word Creepy seems to only apply to guys, so what do you call a woman that shows behavior similar to creepy guys?

I was on a long-distance cycling trip once and stopped in a park to check the map and a car pulled up, in it was a female that had a bottle of something in there and she had already consumed a good bit of it and was pretty lite up...In this situation she was more of the creepy guy and I was the victim, so to speak.

She was being very forward with me on what she wanted to do and yes, I was tempted, but something told me to ride on...I ended up riding away.

She made me feel like I was just a piece of meat; I normally don't mind being objectified in that manner, but she was just creepy or whatever the word is:D

[rocketsocks]

The word Creepy seems to only apply to guys, so what do you call a woman that shows behavior similar to creepy guys?

I was on a long-distance cycling trip once and stopped in a park to check the map and a car pulled up, in it was a female that had a bottle of something in there and she had already consumed a good bit of it and was pretty lite up...In this situation she was more of the creepy guy and I was the victim, so to speak.

She was being very forward with me on what she wanted to do and yes, I was tempted, but something told me to ride on...I ended up riding away.

She made me feel like I was just a piece of meat; I normally don't mind being objectified in that manner, but she was just creepy or whatever the word is:Doh the whoror. :D

But it to answer your question, what do I call a women who objectifies, it's forward, and makes you feel like a piece of meat...horny.

[squeezebox]

Creepy happens to women much more often than it happens to men. I can only remember once when as a young man/waiter a woman ran her hand up my leg and grabbed my crotch. Creepy gay men happened much more often. It's not a level field.
Just maybe central to creepy is a lack of respect for the other person and their feelings. Pedaphiles would be an extreme example.

[tiptoe]

This thread is getting creepy. I'm going outside to play in the snow.

[Traveler]

When people get creeped out by other people, that other person is said to be creepy. Completely subjective. Funny how that works.

[Traffic Jam]

When people get creeped out by other people, that other person is said to be creepy. Completely subjective. Funny how that works.

Yes, everyone has a different definition. IMO, the word gets used way too often to describe people who are just different, or to describe someone who is being a jerk.
Of all the people I've met on the trail, only one bordered on being a creep, and it wasn't the mentally-ill, transient.

[Heliotrope]

Many great points made. There definitely needs to be a distinction between ********, psychopaths, criminals, weirdos, eccentrics and creeps. Creeps demonstrate socially inappropriate behavior in specific ways.

They are often cowardly.

There is often a dishonest or sneaky way about them.

They know and take advantage of your vulnerability but instead of taking the opportunity to act as a criminal might they say things, do things to intentionally make you uncomfortable. To make you painfully aware of your own vulnerability.

The body language, eye contact, physical contact, choice of words, context and location of the behavior all can play a part.
On the other hand, culturally we have become overly sensitive to things other people do.






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[New England Guy]

As someone who is about to start a Thru, I find this topic very interesting. Instead of defining what is "Creepy", which I believe is when someone makes you feel uncomfortable, what would be a course of action to take to avoid "Creepy people"? If something like that were to happen to me, I wouldn't want to come off as rude, but I wouldn't necessarily want to continue to be in their presence for an extended period of time either. Something like that might get tricky if two people are ultimately headed in the same direction. Can any one speak from experience? I guess what I am asking, is what's the best way to ditch someone on the trail, if you think they are "CREEPY"? Subtle and not so subtle suggestions are encouraged.

[Miel]

do you look at police officers as wannabe Rambo types? Military as wannabe Rambo types?

Alas, too many of them are.

[GreenBlaze]

My sensors go off if I see questionable people out there with no gear. The first thing that comes to mind are stories of drifters (or locals) wandering on the AT and attacking people. In both cases I read about, they were not carrying much. I trust my intuition and won't hesitate to evac immediately.

Read up on the details in these stories (https://mpora.com/outsiders/the-gruesome-truth-behind-those-murders-on-americas-famous-appalachian-hiking-trail#Vyf75AdoOTAvzIqY.97). You can gain knowledge from the past.

[Lnj]

I think the word Creepy is very subjective, but in essence is just a "feeling" a person gets in the presence of another. It may be totally unfounded, but God gives us a "spidey sense" for a reason. If you feel it in t he presence of another person, move on. No matter what the person looks like, smells like, says, behaves, etc. Just go with the gut God gave ya and exit.

In answer to post #145, I would say make up any excuse to separate. If you and they person that gives you an uneasy feeling are going the same way at the same time, just stop and say you need to wait fro another buddy who is coming up behind, and go back to put distance between you. Just come up with whatever you can dream up to separate. I have listened to my gut and I have not. I have never once regretted the listening and too many times to count, I have seriously regretted the not.

[Dogwood]

Males are almost universally singled out and sometimes discriminated against when asked what makes one creepy? Super needy clingy controlling loud mouthed women who recklessly expect their immediate whims to be catered to are self absorbed creepy. Woman who probe with deeply personal questions without knowing the person they are asking these questions is creepy. Women chattering on and on about pocket book, shoe, and hair styles and colors is creepy especially when they do in it in a group ignoring all others in the group as if they don't matter.

Caitlyn and RuPaul are creepy. Some others who I wouldn't get drunk around or fall asleep in their presence are: Ronald McDonald and the Hamburglar - both are are creepy and SUSPECT, that red headed Wendy's girl is a little creepy looking, that girl who climbed out of the TV in 'The Ring' was way creepy, Jack Nickolson in 'The Shining' was creepy, that little boy who kept saying "redrum, redrum" was creepy too, Joan Crawford in 'Mommie Dearest' was way controlling and creepy, Nurse Ratched in 'One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest' was creepy, Glenn Close in 'Fatal Attraction" was insanely CREEPY, Kathy Bates in 'Misery' was an all time creepy person, Effie Trinkett in 'Hunger Games' is fashionably creepy.

[rocketsocks]

Crewellla DeVille wasn't creepy, she was just a bitch!

[rocketsocks]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KcdQk7JBPzQ

[daddytwosticks]

...Mary Ellen from A Walk in the Woods is creepy...:)

[Miel]

Males are almost universally singled out and sometimes discriminated against when asked what makes one creepy? Super needy clingy controlling loud mouthed women who recklessly expect their immediate whims to be catered to are self absorbed creepy. Woman who probe with deeply personal questions without knowing the person they are asking these questions is creepy. Women chattering on and on about pocket book, shoe, and hair styles and colors is creepy especially when they do in it in a group ignoring all others in the group as if they don't matter.

Obnoxious, not creepy. I've encountered materialistic people in the outdoors. I've had a partner quit on me less than a day into a hike because he was chafed - annoying, but not creepy.

[Miel]

Ronald McDonald and the Hamburglar - both are are creepy and SUSPECT, that red headed Wendy's girl is a little creepy looking, that girl who climbed out of the TV in 'The Ring' was way creepy, Jack Nickolson in 'The Shining' was creepy, that little boy who kept saying "redrum, redrum" was creepy too, Joan Crawford in 'Mommie Dearest' was way controlling and creepy, Nurse Ratched in 'One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest' was creepy, Glenn Close in 'Fatal Attraction" was insanely CREEPY, Kathy Bates in 'Misery' was an all time creepy person, Effie Trinkett in 'Hunger Games' is fashionably creepy.

What are you saying, that we should worry about encountering fictional characters on the trail?

[GreenBlaze]

...Mary Ellen from A Walk in the Woods is creepy...:)

Naa.. she just needed a good spankin' at the Doyle.

[Heliotrope]

Naa.. she just needed a good spankin' at the Doyle.

Oh behave!


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[rickb]

This is definitely a "B" movie, but they did a great job creating a creepy character, and keeping you guessing if he really was one:

http://www.best-horror-movies.com/review?name=backcountry-2015-review

*******Fair warning********

The bear attack scene was more gruesome and far scarier than the one in the DiCaprio movie, so the movie is not for everyone. It could turn some off to the idea of backpacking forever.

I really liked it on NetFlix or Prime -- not sure which.

[George]

As someone who is about to start a Thru, I find this topic very interesting. Instead of defining what is "Creepy", which I believe is when someone makes you feel uncomfortable, what would be a course of action to take to avoid "Creepy people"? If something like that were to happen to me, I wouldn't want to come off as rude, but I wouldn't necessarily want to continue to be in their presence for an extended period of time either. Something like that might get tricky if two people are ultimately headed in the same direction. Can any one speak from experience? I guess what I am asking, is what's the best way to ditch someone on the trail, if you think they are "CREEPY"? Subtle and not so subtle suggestions are encouraged.

simple: slow down or speed up, obviously any one can also slow down to continue to creep on you so out-hiking them is the better alternative

that being said, how about this for most of the posters on this thread:

grow a thicker skin - or stay home

[One Half]

Here's my opinion. I would say trust your gut, especially women. Women are conditioned from birth to ignore their gut and are labeled as bitchy if we refuse "the help of a kind man." But read the book "The Gift of Fear" by Gavin de Becker. He documents a few of the MANY instances of violence against women and the one common theme is THEY ALL KNEW SOMETHING WAS OFF about the person/situation/etc before anything bad happened and THEY ALL IGNORED THEIR INSTINCTS.

[Seatbelt]

simple: slow down or speed up, obviously any one can also slow down to continue to creep on you so out-hiking them is the better alternative

that being said, how about this for most of the posters on this thread:

grow a thicker skin - or stay home

I think it is harder for most women to out-hike most men (not trying to stir up a gender battle here). Jennifer Pharr Davis tried it on her first thru with no success until she lost the guy in a town(might be the better option for a gal.

[Wise Old Owl]

Here's my opinion. I would say trust your gut, especially women. Women are conditioned from birth to ignore their gut and are labeled as bitchy if we refuse "the help of a kind man." But read the book "The Gift of Fear" by Gavin de Becker. He documents a few of the MANY instances of violence against women and the one common theme is THEY ALL KNEW SOMETHING WAS OFF about the person/situation/etc before anything bad happened and THEY ALL IGNORED THEIR INSTINCTS.

AMAZON "the Gift of Fear" (http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=gift+fear&tag=mh0b-20&index=aps&hvadid=3527170468&hvqmt=e&hvbmt=be&hvdev=c&ref=pd_sl_58bw4vdylq_e)

[AlyontheAT2016]

I think it is harder for most women to out-hike most men (not trying to stir up a gender battle here). Jennifer Pharr Davis tried it on her first thru with no success until she lost the guy in a town(might be the better option for a gal.

I agree with this in that it is probably harder for the average female hiker out there to outpace a man in order to lose him over a short distance (a couple days). However, assuming the goal is to get rid of an insistent creeper, then pushing harder over the longer term, and skipping towns said creeper would probably prefer to linger in, would be what I'd do. Making more miles than initially planned over the course of maybe 2 weeks would probably be the best way to lose someone you don't want to hike with. It would be a test of endurance for (again) your average woman, but women give birth and have periods, both of which can typically involve large amounts of excruciating pain. We know a thing or two about dealing with pain over long periods of time (hah periods). Men do not.

Just my 2 cents.

I hope I don't have to actually learn what this might be like when I start my thru next month.

[Traffic Jam]

I agree with this in that it is probably harder for the average female hiker out there to outpace a man in order to lose him over a short distance (a couple days). However, assuming the goal is to get rid of an insistent creeper, then pushing harder over the longer term, and skipping towns said creeper would probably prefer to linger in, would be what I'd do. Making more miles than initially planned over the course of maybe 2 weeks would probably be the best way to lose someone you don't want to hike with. It would be a test of endurance for (again) your average woman, but women give birth and have periods, both of which can typically involve large amounts of excruciating pain. We know a thing or two about dealing with pain over long periods of time (hah periods). Men do not.

Just my 2 cents.

I hope I don't have to actually learn what this might be like when I start my thru next month.

Rather than altering your plans to accommodate someone who makes you uncomfortable, I suggest you let the person know you don't want to hike with them. Be a confident, firm, ain't takin no s**t, lady. If that doesn't solve the problem, let the hikers around you know what's going on. Hikers take care of each other.

[Dogwood]

Rather than altering your plans to accommodate someone who makes you uncomfortable, I suggest you let the person know you don't want to hike with them. Be a confident, firm, ain't takin no s**t, lady. If that doesn't solve the problem, let the hikers around you know what's going on. Hikers take care of each other.

Yeah, bonding creepy hikers can help repel other less desirable even creepier persons. :D

[Traffic Jam]

Yeah, bonding creepy hikers can help repel other less desirable even creepier persons. :D

What can I say...I like creepy people. Heck, I even like you. :)

[AlyontheAT2016]

Rather than altering your plans to accommodate someone who makes you uncomfortable, I suggest you let the person know you don't want to hike with them. Be a confident, firm, ain't takin no s**t, lady. If that doesn't solve the problem, let the hikers around you know what's going on. Hikers take care of each other.

I am a take-no-crap kind of person, believe me. What I described is what I would do if that person didn't take the hint.

[Traffic Jam]

I am a take-no-crap kind of person, believe me. What I described is what I would do if that person didn't take the hint.

People are too stupid to take "hints".

[Wise Old Owl]

wow dogwood.... now that you are an entitled by definition creepy person... can we hike together? do you fish?

[AlyontheAT2016]

People are too stupid to take "hints".

"I do not want to hike with you." Is that not clear enough for some people? Unfortunately probably not. Some men have this idea that when a woman says no, she doesn't actually mean no, but yes, but doesn't want to admit it. That idea is the biggest load of crap I have ever heard. No means no.

Creepy people are people who can't take no for an answer.

[evyck da fleet]

The best defense against creepy hikers is associating with other hikers that think the individual is creepy. Usually the creepy person will be off putting to others as well and you won't be the only one that wants to leave.

I've left a shelter area and hiked on a few miles suspecting that a homeless couple that was begging/stealing food might wind up staying there that night. They did and a hiker that had originally stayed later joined us. I've also left a hostel with a couple of hikers when another homeless person hiking the trail got drunk and sick at the place. He was too drunk to comprehend we wanted no part of him and he followed us almost out of town thinking we were going to eat dinner. He ditched him at a Chinese place but our efforts to quicken our pace only made him work harder to keep up.

Had I found my self alone with someone I thought was creepy, I'd have no problem back tracking if I had passed some other hikers to get away from someone or hiking on to the next shelter after eating.

Having said that, my initial reaction to seeing someone like Tipi and all his gear, might give me the creeps. I did run into someone like that in PA at dusk and chose to tent near a shelter about a mile away instead of by the stream with him. The next day our paths crossed again and I found him to be a nice guy.

But on the AT, I can't recall having spend one night alone or with only one other person unless I was camped near a road where I wasn't supposed to be.

[Dogwood]

What can I say...I like creepy people. Heck, I even like you. :)

Stop, you're creeping me out. ;)

[dudeijuststarted]

There are alot of well-intentioned people who don't understand why a stranger doesn't want to become best friends over a chance meeting in the forest.

I choose to be brief with my responses until I've completed the ocular patdown and cleared the other hiker for passage.

"Where you headed?"
"Up here a ways..."
"How long you out?"
"I don't know, we'll see."
"Where you staying tonight?"
"Got a couple options..."
or, if I'm really annoyed..
"Where are you staying tonight?"

Yeah, I like my solitude.

[Old_Man]

I choose to be brief with my responses until I've completed the ocular patdown and cleared the other hiker for passage.


I suppose you see yourself as the Sheriff of Paddy's? :D

[Pedaling Fool]

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/d-brief/2016/04/07/what-makes-a-person-creepy/#.Vw4nPfkrKM-


Excerpt:


It’s a Guy Thing

Both men and women were more likely to rate men as creepy, probably due to elements of physical and sexual danger. He also found that we are most likely to label people creepy when we don’t understand their behavior, or if it lies outside of social conventions. People who stand too close during a conversation, lick their lips often or laugh unpredictably creep people out.

Uncommon physical characteristics contributed to perceptions of creepiness as well. People with peculiar smiles, greasy hair, long fingers and pale skin were more likely to be rated as creepy in the survey. In general, people are creeped out by things that they don’t understand, or that don’t align with their conception of “normal behavior.” This is understandable from an evolutionary standpoint, because it’s better to be safe than sorry. Our instinctive response to unnatural situations, is to feel uneasy, as we may not know how to deal with whatever might happen next.

[imscotty]

How creepy are you? Take the quiz...

https://www.theguardian.com/science/shortcuts/2016/apr/13/how-creepy-are-you-take-the-test

[illabelle]

How creepy are you? Take the quiz...

https://www.theguardian.com/science/shortcuts/2016/apr/13/how-creepy-are-you-take-the-test

I scored 15, creepier than I expected, but mainly because I don't wanna be a clown and I don't care much about my clothes. I guess I'm okay, maybe.


0 to 16 points: Not too creepy. Once people get to know you, they’ll realise you’re harmless.

17 to 24 points: Mildly creepy.
25 to 30 points: Totally creepy. Get away from me.

[rocketsocks]

I scored 15, creepier than I expected, but mainly because I don't wanna be a clown and I don't care much about my clothes. I guess I'm okay, maybe.I'm Okay you're okay.

[imscotty]

I am mid-range creepy too Illabelle. Guess I can live with that :)

[tiptoe]

I'm a 14, and this was a very creepy quiz. The wardrobe question was my only "c" answer.

[gpburdelljr]

The "not too creepy" range is 0 to 16, but the minimum possible score is 12. I find that creepy.

[Cedar1974]

Speaking of creepy, I heard there is a tradition on the summer solstice. Hike Naked Day, is this a real thing?

[Wise Old Owl]

Speaking of creepy, I heard there is a tradition on the summer solstice. Hike Naked Day, is this a real thing?


uh yea.... keep your underpants on...

[Cedar1974]

uh yea.... keep your underpants on...

I was also planning to keep my shoes and socks on as well. Didn't think about still wanting your undies to protect your block and tackle.

[Greenlight]

There are hikers who hike naked on Naked Hike Day. I imagine it would feel liberating, but I don't want to find out. I wouldn't even want to cross paths with someone hiking in the buff. There are good and bad arguments to be made concerning the human body. One day at a popular water park in southwest Ohio a few years ago, I was walking around with my wife murmuring under my breath "that's a bad argument" "that's a pretty weak argument" "now that, that is a good argument." The wife asked what I was mumbling about. I explained bikini argument protocol to her. Bikinis (and trunks or thongs on men, I suppose) were meant to be worn by a certain segment of the population. And there are good arguments for the bikini. Freedom of movement, covers all of the girl bits, allows the skin to cool rapidly or tan evenly, etc. When you run into other segments of the population who for whatever personal reasons have decided to subject us all to bad arguments for the bikini, that is when you begin running into problems. I got an elbow in the ribs from my wife. But not half an hour later, under her breath, I heard her mumbling, "that's a BAD argument." The same applies to Naked Hike Day.

[Bearleg]

While doing a section hike in northern Virginia, I kept seeing this older guy in the shelters about every other day. I never saw him pass me on the trail, or in between the shelter on the trail. My last night on the trail, at the shelter, I just asked him, how are you getting ahead of me on the trail yet I never see you on the trail. I just was not getting a good vibe. He then explained he yellow blazed up and down the trail, would hike 3-5 miles to the shelter. I mentioned this to some hikers who have been on the trail more than myself and they all knew him/ or of him.

got to love the trail and the stories we each bring.

[Dan Roper]

At Rich Mountain fire tower north of Hot Springs three years ago, my party met a gentleman from Charlotte, North Carolina, who was having a very rough day. He had just retired from law enforcement. This was his first day on the AT since he'd backpacked some as a Boy Scout many years before. He was hiking solo and tenting in a flat area a tenth of a mile or so north of the fire tower. He was creeped out by what he'd seen that day, obviously welcomed the company of our group of six, and told us the story of his hike north from Hot Springs earlier that day.

Somewhere north of Pump Gap that morning, he came across a large timber rattlesnake on the trail (most of my party also encountered the snake a bit later). Then, when he approached a field just past he pond, there was a car parked with an older man in bad shape standing beside it. The man was disheveled and had a large bandage on one side of his face. As the backpacker approached, the old man said, "Does this look bad?" as he pulled aside the bandage, revealing a gaping sore. Just past that at the highway (U.S. 25?), there was a car parked on the dead end dirt road beside a blackberry patch. A young couple was copulating on the hood.

The creepiest person I've ever met was at Doll Flats last August. He was a young man, very dirty, carrying a large container of what appeared to be dirty water (he said it was moonshine), and armed with a bow and quiver of arrows. His language was abundantly, stunningly profane. He said he'd just been robbed at gunpoint by two "rednecks" near Highway 19e. He'd then seen where the two rednecks turned their car off the highway. He followed it, found they'd left it while going into the woods, and he'd stolen their moonshine. He asked us a few questions about who we were. One of my backpacking companions mentioned that his grandfather had been a dairy farmer in the western North Carolina mountains. To this, the young man said, "He must have been a fascist. He must have been a Nazi." He repeated this a number of times. (The charge was ironic since that dairy farmer had served in the US Army in the European Theater during WWII, fighting Nazis and fascists.) The last I saw of this young man was after I shouldered my pack and began walking south on the trail, leaving Doll Flats behind. I looked behind back at the flats (making sure the young man wasn't following or aiming his bow our way) and saw him walk into the field, look up at the mountains, and begin screaming profanity at the heavens. Here's my Trail Journals account of the Doll Flats creepy guy: http://trailjournals.com/entry.cfm?id=509956

[Night Train]

Coincidentally, we hiked the same section last August. Hiking northbound, I stayed the evening of 8/9/15 at Overmountain, I recall you and your friends as I departed early the next morning. Strangely enough I passed by our friendly, but quirky, archer that morning shortly after I departed OMS. Sans the vulgarity and profanity, but again, we never engaged in anything more than pleasantries. The exception, he was southbound, coming down Little Hump Mt. I was slightly taken back by the recurve bow and quiver of arrows, only because I don't regularly see that ensemble while hiking. We passed with the obligatory greetings and well wishes. You met him at Doll Flats a few hours later? NB? Guess he could have been fetching water from the spring at OM and turned back NB after we passed. Needless to say......interesting young man, at least in appearance.

[Dan Roper]

That's interesting, but if the dates are right, you must have seen him the day after we did. We did a four-night hike northbound, with the last two nights/three days as follows: 8/8/15 - 15 miles from Clyde Smith Shelter to Overmountain Shelter; 8/9/5 - 18 miles from Overmountain Shelter to Mountaineer Shelter; 8/10/15 - 15 miles from Mountaineer Shelter to Dennis Cove Road.

So we saw "Robin Hood" mid or late morning of the 9th at Doll Flats, while it sounds like you saw him on the 10th. I was the last of our group of five on the trail. He showed up at Doll Flats, walking northbound, about five minutes after I arrived. Nobody in my group, all of whom arrived earlier, had passed him on the trail, and three of our group were filtering water at the time I arrived and didn't see him until they returned to the flats.

[Night Train]

Correct, seen him the morning of the 10th. Sorry, I must have misidentified your group with another that was staying at OMS, they were very similar in the demographics you illustrated in your previous post. That was an incredible section hike, IMHO.