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denimlabels
09-03-2015, 17:38
Bee Pollen!

This nutrient rich food contains more protein per weight than any animal produced protein including eggs, meat & cheese. Bee pollen is 40% protein by weight. Bee pollen is also a whole food in the sense that it contains everything the human body needs to sustain life including the building blocks of life itself....Amino Acids!

Three Cheers for Bee Pollen!

Horray!
Horray!
Horray!

Plus, its super easy to store!

Deadeye
09-03-2015, 19:58
Keep in mind that most of the claims about miracle foods like bee pollen are made by people that want you to buy their bee pollen. It does appear to have some good qualities, but like anything else, some risks. From various easy to find sources:

Bee pollen contains vitamins (http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-and-supplements/lifestyle-guide-11/default.htm), minerals, carbohydrates, lipids, and protein. It comes from the pollen (http://www.webmd.com/allergies/guide/pollen-allergies-symptoms-triggers-treatments) that collects on the bodies of bees. Bee pollen may also include bee saliva (http://www.webmd.com/oral-health/what-is-saliva).
It is rich in vitamins, minerals, trace elements, enzymes, and amino acids, and contains approximately 30% protein, 55% carbohydrate, 1% to 2% fat, and 3% minerals and trace vitamins.

Bee pollen appears to be safe, at least when taken for a short term. But if you have pollen allergies, you may get more than you bargained for. Bee pollen can cause a serious allergic reaction (http://www.webmd.com/allergies/guide/allergic-reaction-causes) -- including shortness of breath, hives (http://www.webmd.com/skin-problems-and-treatments/guide/skin-conditions-hives-urticaria-angioedema), swelling, and anaphylaxis (http://www.webmd.com/allergies/guide/anaphylaxis).

Bee pollen is not safe for pregnant (http://www.webmd.com/baby/default.htm) women. A woman should also avoid using bee pollen if she is breastfeeding (http://www.webmd.com/parenting/baby/nursing-basics).

Starchild
09-03-2015, 20:03
It's great food for baby bees.

denimlabels
09-03-2015, 22:23
Bee Pollen helps people with allergies by blocking the production of histamine. Just the same way Benadryl blocks histamine but without the dangerous side effects. For allergy sufferers, it helps 76% of those that use it. That is what I use it for and it has help me tremendously for a few years now.

Of course if you are pregnant, or suffer from severe allergic reactions to bee stings or certain foods, you should stay far away from Bee Pollen until you get the OK from your doctor.

Odd Man Out
09-03-2015, 22:46
Is it really accurate to call this an animal produced protein?. The protein is produced by plants (pollen) and gathered by animals.

Feral Bill
09-03-2015, 23:00
Thank you for not referring to it as a "superfood"

imscotty
09-04-2015, 01:24
Royal Jelly is the way to go. An amazing 'Superfood' :) For queen bees, anyway!

Traveler
09-04-2015, 06:01
Thinking this was a good idea, I tried some bee pollen and wasn't too successful.

First of all, it was difficult to catch the bees in the first place. I didn't know the proper way to extract the bee pollen, do you suck on them like a lifesaver, shake them over something to get the pollen, or just eat them. I tried all three, none of the methods yielded much except I got stung 7 times on the tongue.

Seems like someones pushing my leg.....

imscotty
09-04-2015, 07:55
AT Traveler - In case you are really wondering how a 'Pollen Trap' works...

Honey bees carry pollen in 'Pollen Baskets' on their hind legs. You can see the bees carrying the different colored pollen on the way into the hive. A pollen trap is a device you add to the hive that sort of forces the bees through a bit of an obstacle course. As they navigate the trap some of the pollen they are carrying falls out the baskets and the beekeeper may later collect it.

Seriously, I do not think a hiker would want to eat bee pollen in large enough quantities to be a significant food source, it just is not that tasty. May have some value as a dietary supplement.

Traveler
09-04-2015, 08:16
AT Traveler - In case you are really wondering how a 'Pollen Trap' works...

Honey bees carry pollen in 'Pollen Baskets' on their hind legs. You can see the bees carrying the different colored pollen on the way into the hive. A pollen trap is a device you add to the hive that sort of forces the bees through a bit of an obstacle course. As they navigate the trap some of the pollen they are carrying falls out the baskets and the beekeeper may later collect it.

Seriously, I do not think a hiker would want to eat bee pollen in large enough quantities to be a significant food source, it just is not that tasty. May have some value as a dietary supplement.

Ah, ok, that solves the mystery of where the "Poods" are.

Pedaling Fool
09-04-2015, 08:20
...A pollen trap is a device you add to the hive that sort of forces the bees through a bit of an obstacle course. As they navigate the trap some of the pollen they are carrying falls out the baskets and the beekeeper may later collect it.

Seriously, I do not think a hiker would want to eat bee pollen in large enough quantities to be a significant food source, it just is not that tasty. May have some value as a dietary supplement.That's all it is? Just eat the flowers:)

I'm half-tempted now to read about bee's pollen, but if all they're doing is collecting the pollen that the bee collected, then it's not really bee's pollen. It can only be called bee's pollen after they processed it somewhat, I would think.

Odd Man Out
09-04-2015, 09:22
... I do not think a hiker would want to eat bee pollen in large enough quantities to be a significant food source, it just is not that tasty. May have some value as a dietary supplement.

In which case the fact that it has a high percentage of protein becomes fairly irrelevant. Considering the health benefits are unsubstantiated, I don't see the point.

http://www.webmd.com/balance/bee-pollen-benefits-and-side-effects

On my last hike I had a chunk of Grana Padano Cheese for breakfast every day. That's also about 40% protein (complete animal source protein). Tastes great, all natural, less expensive.

BirdBrain
09-04-2015, 10:22
Thank you for not referring to it as a "superfood"

John Tesh says a toasted cheese sandwich is a superfood. I don't know if I believe him. He supposed to be an expert... on everything. I love toasted cheese sandwiches. Ergo, I eat them and blame him.

https://www.facebook.com/JohnTesh/photos/a.83773297712.76437.80985802712/10153247745317713/

The only superfood I take on the trail is peanut butter snickers. Snickers is a superfood... right?

imscotty
09-04-2015, 10:48
In which case the fact that it has a high percentage of protein becomes fairly irrelevant. Considering the health benefits are unsubstantiated, I don't see the point.

http://www.webmd.com/balance/bee-pollen-benefits-and-side-effects


I know some people who take bee pollen claim that it helps them with allergies (some people insist on 'local' honey for the same reason.)

imscotty
09-04-2015, 10:51
That's all it is? Just eat the flowers:)

I'm half-tempted now to read about bee's pollen, but if all they're doing is collecting the pollen that the bee collected, then it's not really bee's pollen. It can only be called bee's pollen after they processed it somewhat, I would think.

I take 'bee's pollen' to be the possessive form, meaning they they did not make it, but they possess it. To test this you could go ahead and try and take it from them and see how they react :)

denimlabels
09-04-2015, 17:08
Here is a picture of a Bee with pollen granules collected onto the sides of his body. The way the Bee collects the pollen is by an electrical charge created by movement that mixes with the Bee saliva that holds it all together. If you suffer from allergies, only buy locally sourced bee pollen because pollen from other states contain an entirely different composition of plant pollens. If you are not taking it for allergies, then any pollen is good for you.

I just threw this out there as a suggestion for someone looking for a healthy snack food on the trail as an alternative to processed industrial food sources.

I think the way the pollen is collected is by the bee moving through a screen and the pollen drops to the bottom of the hive where it is collected. The pollen is what Baby Bees eat as there main food source. Find a local Beekeeper and get yourself some pollen and see how you like it. I actually like the taste a lot. IMO the larger the granules, the better the quality of the pollen. Pollen works well to even out blood sugar levels which I am sure is a big problem for hikers eating junk food all day for months.

Say hello to my little friend!!!
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Pedaling Fool
09-04-2015, 17:14
I take 'bee's pollen' to be the possessive form, meaning they they did not make it, but they possess it. To test this you could go ahead and try and take it from them and see how they react :)Oh yeah, I guess that works, not for me, but the logic is irrefutable :D

I didn't read anything about it, but I did a quick look at it and they say it's perfectly safe for pregnant women, so it must be, right:rolleyes::) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGRbg2mWl2k

I ask again, why not just eat the flowers, seems like it would be easier to harvest the pollen directly from the flower? I guess adding the word Bee to the title of the food makes it sound special. :)


Video produced by these people http://www.superfoods-for-superhealth.com/


(http://www.superfoods-for-superhealth.com/)

denimlabels
09-04-2015, 17:25
You would have to eat all of the hundreds of different potential plants that the bee is collecting pollen from in that area. They collect pollen from many different variety of plants. Thats the magic of Bee Pollen.

Pedaling Fool
09-04-2015, 17:48
You would have to eat all of the hundreds of different potential plants that the bee is collecting pollen from in that area. They collect pollen from many different variety of plants. Thats the magic of Bee Pollen.Sorry dude, but I'm being tongue in cheek with my remarks because I'm very skeptical of the benefits touted by superfoods/superhealth website.

If it were that much of a super food we'd would be producing tons of it and we'd probably do it in a way that didn't involve bees, that was my point.

Although my entire yard is full of all different types of flowers, so I could easily just go pick them, but I'll leave them for the bees; I'd rather the bees have them:)


http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m484/76gunner/Four%20O%20Clocks/004_zps6bf32fab.jpg



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Rocket Jones
09-07-2015, 18:23
The only superfood I take on the trail is peanut butter snickers. Snickers is a superfood... right?

Now you're confusing "superfood" with a hiker's "major food group".

Dogwood
09-07-2015, 22:19
"If it were that much of a super food we'd would be producing tons of it and we'd probably do it in a way that didn't involve bees, that was my point."

Too much blind faith in the goodness of capitalism. Corporations and the system are largely designed to produce mass quantities of easily monopolized food sources that can be patented or controlled like GM corn, soy, and wheat and beef, poultry, pork and dairy. Unfortunately, the closest thing to a superfood many consume or consider as wonder food are things like cheap fast food, cheap because most of the ingredients are federally subsidized by you the tax payer making the real cost higher than advertised both on the front end and in terms of health care dollars.

In the U.S. you do not have the right to know what's in your food like products or how it's industrial factory like produced.

BEE POLLEN, although POSSIBLY containing bee saliva, which isn't so weird when one considers real 100% honey is bee vomit, considered by many to have some health benefits, is LARGELY THE MALE SEED OF FLOWERS. Not so weird. And, yes bee pollen does have some nutritional benefits under short term use.

Dogwood
09-07-2015, 22:48
Agree with you though that the term superfood has been used by marketers but there are some foods IMO that do have over and above super nutritional qualities.

Here are some foods that I think we should all consider adding into our diets on a more regular basis. NOTICE if you Google Superfoods you get list of real minimally processed minimally packaged minimally refined, if at all, close to the Earth whole food items on EVERY LIST! It is no accident. It's the exact opposite of what many in the U.S. are eating. And we sometimes wonder why we have the extent of health issues in this country with our common western diets.

http://www.realsimple.com/food-recipes/shopping-storing/food/superfoods/what-are-superfoods

http://www.doctoroz.com/slideshow/dr-ozs-10-favorite-superfoods

http://greatist.com/health/25-greatist-superfoods-and-why-theyre-super

Pedaling Fool
09-08-2015, 07:15
There is no such thing as super-foods; one only needs so much nutrients, fats and calories, so the fact that some may be "packed" with everything you need is pointless, in the same way it's pointless to take vitamin supplements, because your body can only absorb so much.

What thru-hiking has taught me is that the most important thing one can do with respect to diet is stop eating so much. Most people do NOT need 2,000 calories per day, that's way too much given their lifestyle, but that's the conventional wisdom.

We are omnivores, so we evolved to eat all different kinds of foods, so to say there are only a few (many of which are exotic) foods that we NEED to have is just funny stuff.

There is only one food source in the world that is suitable to sustain life without the need for any other food sources and that's, Manna, but you need a Manna Machine and an Ark to carry it in and need to clean it once a week. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manna_Machine

I'll just stick with my steak and potatoes:D;)

Dogwood
09-09-2015, 02:53
"There is no such thing as super-foods; one only needs so much nutrients, fats and calories, so the fact that some may be "packed" with everything you need is pointless, in the same way it's pointless to take vitamin supplements, because your body can only absorb so much."

Don't get hung up by what you consider funny adverse to you sounding labels. If it helps I tend to think of super foods simply as nutritionally dense better food alternatives compared to highly refined highly processed often denatured nutritionally food like products. I think the quality of one's food does matter not just the quantity produced or consumed. Too many empty nutritionally empty nutritionally dismal food like products in the Western diet AND IT'S DESIGNED THAT WAY. Larger quantity of food like products eaten out of nutritional necessity because nutritional quality has been compromised equals greater food purchase quantities nutritionally required to attempt to meet the same nutritional goals equals greater economic profit. It's about selling denatured food like products factory farmed in mass for mass profit by only a handful in control of consolidated food supply companies.

"What thru-hiking has taught me is that the most important thing one can do with respect to diet is stop eating so much. Most people do NOT need 2,000 calories per day, that's way too much given their lifestyle, but that's the conventional wisdom."

Somewhat agree with you although, again, it's not just quantity but also quality of food that counts. NO, a calorie is NOT a calorie. Food is not just about calories either. It's also about phytonutrients, enzymes, micronutrients, and the context of food in its whole food nature. Metabolically, the human body can be affected very differently as a result of eating whole foods with these included nutritional elements compared to highly processed highly refined out of a package for convenience sake food like products that often lack these elements. It's amazing to learn how addicted/habituated we are pushed to be with our eating habits often, in actuality, best serving someone else's agenda. Of course, we aren't referring to daily caloric load requirements for LD hiking.

"We are omnivores, so we evolved to eat all different kinds of foods, so to say there are only a few (many of which are exotic) foods that we NEED to have is just funny stuff."

Really? Read those links and Google some of these lists yourself. Most of the items on those lists are definitely NOT EXOTIC. What they are, again, are foods mostly in their whole food form minimally processed or refined not requiring extensive packaging or having multiple months or even yrs shelve lives.

"There is only one food source in the world that is suitable to sustain life without the need for any other food sources and that's, Manna, but you need a Manna Machine and an Ark to carry it in and need to clean it once a week."
Tongue in cheek. Somehow I never took you as a manna eater. :sun

"I'll just stick with my steak and potatoes."

You can do that wisely too. Perhaps, eating more grass fed free range leaner cuts of beef in 4-5 oz human size portions on a limited weekly basis and switching to sweet potatoes could be seen as healthier alternatives. Consuming less saturated fattier cuts of beef in very limited portions more as a matter of exception than the rule might be a better alternative too. Seeing a meal containing beef or a meat with the meat as and addition to the meal NOT the focus could be a consideration as well. Just might not only be healthier for you mentally and physically but healthier financially.

atraildreamer
09-09-2015, 16:30
Almost had me convinced until the saliva reference came up.:eek:

Traveler
09-09-2015, 16:32
Possum... the other white meat.

Connie
05-07-2016, 09:54
I started making a list of "Superfoods" from the nutrition website first lady Obama had up online.

That website had food ratings that made sense: folic acid, antioxidants, amino acids.

I was taking food items off that list, foods that had the highest numbers of each category.

I would call that Superfoods.

I wish they would have that website up again: it relied on flash, and it crashed a lot.

Bee pollen?

My brother said it is "bee barf". Now, it looks like "bee cellulite" because it accumulates at the back of the bee's legs.

I like unpasturized bee honey, but that is as far as I will go.. bee pollen? Not for me.

egilbe
05-07-2016, 10:29
Honey is bee barf. Flash is the devil. It's become nothing more than a vehicle to infect websites with malware.

Tacblades
05-07-2016, 11:03
I tried bee pollen to help with hayfever, its tastes really bad, and did nothing to help heyfever, then some people said it only works with pollen collected from the area where you live, so tried that, taste just as bad and still did nothing.

I am very skeptical when people say xxx is really great for you, here are some biased internet articals that support the theory. But willing to try most things.

99% of things people say is good for you is just rubbish usually. I like un biased research based information. And i am a great believer in a balanced diet a little of everything and your body absorbs what it needs.

Freeze dried expedition food high calorie, no idea if its great for you but it sure does taste amazing :)

Dogwood
05-07-2016, 12:05
There is no such thing as super-foods; one only needs so much nutrients, fats and calories, so the fact that some may be "packed" with everything you need is pointless, in the same way it's pointless to take vitamin supplements, because your body can only absorb so much….

Statements like this are very narrow minded and make gross assumptions. Really??? That's saying we shouldn't recognize one food being nutritionally exceptionally superior or more complete compared to a nutritionally dismal product. It's saying 2 packs of refined white sugar is the same as an apple that contains sugar or artificial "blueberries" are the same as eating real blueberries.

Much food in the western diet and in many many other places, and diets in general in the world are lacking nutritionally in one aspect or another. There are impoverished right here in this good ole USA that don't get the nutrition they need. You mistakenly assume everyone has equal access to unlimited food choices, as the wealthy have in the U.S., or perhaps you believe you do, eats optimally, gets all the required nutrition needed, and taking a supplement or a "superfood" is a waste because it will not be absorbed. I'm thankful health care practioners know better than you recommending specific dietary changes and supplements.…[/QUOTE]

Cheyou
05-07-2016, 13:08
John Tesh says a toasted cheese sandwich is a superfood. I don't know if I believe him. He supposed to be an expert... on everything. I love toasted cheese sandwiches. Ergo, I eat them and blame him.

https://www.facebook.com/JohnTesh/photos/a.83773297712.76437.80985802712/10153247745317713/

The only superfood I take on the trail is peanut butter snickers. Snickers is a superfood... right?



Expert what ? snake oil salesman? Ha ha sorry just laughing on the whole " super food thing "

Venchka
05-07-2016, 13:55
I'm not trying to sell anything. Just stating a fact.
There is a container of Pea Protein sitting on the kitchen counter as I type.
The protein content is 75% by weight. 15 grams of protein per 20 grams of product. Stevia and other sweeteners free. Shelf stable.

Wayne


Sent from somewhere around here.

Dogwood
05-07-2016, 14:03
Do you make Pea Soup out of it? :D

RockDoc
05-07-2016, 14:22
Yes, it is bee vomit, and there's no guarantee what else is in there. Here's part of a very balanced review by Mark Sisson:

"'Bee pollen is just what it sounds like: the plant pollen picked up by hairy bee legs in the course of their travels, mixed with regurgitated honey and nectar and enzymes and microbes, and rolled into a little ball. These little balls, packed with protein, B-vitamins, sugar, fatty acids, minerals, and other components that won’t show up on FitDay, serve as food for the hive’s inhabitants. No two pollen balls are alike, of course, so it’s impossible to say with any shred of confidence that “bee pollen contains this, this, that, that, and those in these specific amounts.”

Read more: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/unable-to-squat-after-knee-injury/#ixzz47zltpte2

Malto
05-07-2016, 16:08
I certainly hope those bees didn't land on poo before they collected the pollen off it really could be a superpood! :eek:

Dogwood
05-07-2016, 16:46
Yes, it is bee vomit, and there's no guarantee what else is in there. Here's part of a very balanced review by Mark Sisson:

"'Bee pollen is just what it sounds like: the plant pollen picked up by hairy bee legs in the course of their travels, mixed with regurgitated honey and nectar and enzymes and microbes, and rolled into a little ball. These little balls, packed with protein, B-vitamins, sugar, fatty acids, minerals, and other components that won’t show up on FitDay, serve as food for the hive’s inhabitants. No two pollen balls are alike, of course, so it’s impossible to say with any shred of confidence that “bee pollen contains this, this, that, that, and those in these specific amounts.”

Read more: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/unable-to-squat-after-knee-injury/#ixzz47zltpte2




Wow, similarities to the unknowns in MANY fast food options. Who the heck knows what's entirely in that delicious "burger" so many eagerly consume without having the same questioning thought process. Is it even 100% beef? As disgusting as it sounds, but factual as it is, does the "beef" you're eating contain feces? What is entirely in the "ground beef", how were the animals reared, exactly what diets did the animals eat, and how were the animals processed aren't questions the vast majority of burger consumers give an inkling about.

Can't rely on the USDA either for they are influenced heavily through lobbying and economic "sensibilities" by the meat industry.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/meat/evaluating/supremebeef.html

http://www.thealternativedaily.com/one-more-more-reason-to-eat-grass-fed-organic-meat-usda-safety-inspection-falling-short/http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=117992

http://www.foodsafetynews.com/2012/11/usda-quietly-eliminated-60-percent-of-foreign-meat-inspections/#.Vy5SUemtpLA

http://www.dailyfinance.com/on/usda-meat-inspection-cutbacks/

http://www.snopes.com/business/market/allbeef.asp

Dogwood
05-07-2016, 16:49
I certainly hope those bees didn't land on poo before they collected the pollen off it really could be a superpood! :eek:

So, with a BIG IF, when or even IF a bee lands on pooh and bee pollen is made in that hive that scenario has to rank very very very low on the possible priority list of contaminants in food to be concerned with.

Venchka
05-07-2016, 17:34
Do you make Pea Soup out of it? :D

Mrs Wayne adds it to fruit & yogurt smoothies. I haven't decided what I'll do with it.

Wayne

Malto
05-07-2016, 17:36
So, with a BIG IF, when or even IF a bee lands on pooh and bee pollen is made in that hive that scenario has to rank very very very low on the possible priority list of contaminants in food to be concerned with.

Should I be more concern with that or bears? :-?

Dogwood
05-08-2016, 00:01
Pooh adds protein, fiber, vital nutritional content, and slight chocolate flavor to the bee pollen. ??? :D

In beef it's just pooh, cattle pooh. :p

PennyPincher
05-08-2016, 07:03
Bee Pollen!

This nutrient rich food contains more protein per weight than any animal produced protein including eggs, meat & cheese. Bee pollen is 40% protein by weight. Bee pollen is also a whole food in the sense that it contains everything the human body needs to sustain life including the building blocks of life itself....Amino Acids!

Three Cheers for Bee Pollen!

Horray!
Horray!
Horray!

Plus, its super easy to store!

My Bee Pollen says to keep it refrigerated. I wonder how that would work on the trail

PennyPincher
05-08-2016, 07:11
Mrs Wayne adds it to fruit & yogurt smoothies. I haven't decided what I'll do with it.

Wayne

We use a real Tea spoon, scoop the bee pollen, inhale it basically (no chewing, just swallow) and wash down with water.

Pedaling Fool
05-08-2016, 08:06
Statements like this are very narrow minded and make gross assumptions. Really??? That's saying we shouldn't recognize one food being nutritionally exceptionally superior or more complete compared to a nutritionally dismal product. It's saying 2 packs of refined white sugar is the same as an apple that contains sugar or artificial "blueberries" are the same as eating real blueberries.

Much food in the western diet and in many many other places, and diets in general in the world are lacking nutritionally in one aspect or another. There are impoverished right here in this good ole USA that don't get the nutrition they need. You mistakenly assume everyone has equal access to unlimited food choices, as the wealthy have in the U.S., or perhaps you believe you do, eats optimally, gets all the required nutrition needed, and taking a supplement or a "superfood" is a waste because it will not be absorbed. I'm thankful health care practioners know better than you recommending specific dietary changes and supplements.…

As usual Dogwood, you've failed in reading comprehension, either that or you just love busting my balls, that you take any post that appears to provide an opportunity:D

I didn't say foods are all the same, of course some are much more nutritious than others and artificial foodstuff isn't equal to natural things...

I was specifically speaking to the superfoods claims and all the over-the-top claims by people like Dr Oz and others. Remember all the hype over foods such as Goji Berries (Madonna really sold that crap:rolleyes: ) or the Acai, thanks to Dr Oz...

These superfood claims are nothing more than fads, including bee pollen, which come and go.

Some interesting stories on these fads. There are no "superfoods" and no garden of eden, sorry that's just the cold reality.




http://www.hopesandfears.com/hopes/city/food/213413-myth-superfoods-acai-quinoa-chia-goji

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/susie-obrien/susie-obrien-ive-no-appetite-for-superfood-fads/news-story/5182897e6b389375725b00c94da112ad


http://www.marketplace.org/2014/05/22/sustainability/superfood-fads-super-distracting-global-farmers


Interesting little excerpt from the last link. In a sense all the superfoods (such as staple crops, i.e. rice and such...) have already been discovered, but people just want something new and magical.


That's partly why Cabantac, the farmer in the Philippines, is so excited."Eat more moringa!" she said. "Plant more moringa! And, that's it!"
Even so, she isn't betting the farm on moringa. Most of her acres still grow a boring old staple: rice.




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zelph
05-08-2016, 17:16
My Bee Pollen says to keep it refrigerated. I wonder how that would work on the trail

Bees store it in their hives without refrigeration;)

zelph
05-08-2016, 17:28
Although my entire yard is full of all different types of flowers, so I could easily just go pick them, but I'll leave them for the bees; I'd rather the bees have them:)


http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m484/76gunner/Four%20O%20Clocks/004_zps6bf32fab.jpg








Those are hummingbird flowers, bees get stuck in them and perish;)

Gather some hummingbirds, dehydrate and good to go:D

Dogwood
05-08-2016, 18:19
The McDdonald's nugget eating crowd sounds offended.

Again, the party line is "super foods" are nothing but a fad usurped by marketing having no legitimacy which is exactly what you are contending. Brush it under the rug with a superficial understanding rather than examine the claims individually of various "super foods" and not narrowly focusing in on exaggerated claims of advertising as two of your links' writers approached the "superfood" topic. I'll let you get back to your Value Deal Meal now. :D

Seriously, as much bias is inherited in my comments you demonstrate a lot of shallow nutritional eating lifestyle bias in your posts intentional or not. I would like you to communicate greater detailed knowledge of topics such as you do about your gardening or bee investigations or fitness regimes rather than brushing such broad blanketing strokes. Then, I'd possibly be more accepting of your stances. Until that time I have to call you out. I actually like it when you do the same to me allowing the opportunity to further make clear and substantiate perspectives.

Venchka
05-08-2016, 20:53
I don't do McDonalds. I've never eaten their nuggets.
I pay no attention to the latest superfood or diet fads. Gluten free for those without a medical reason gives me a chuckle.

Wayne


Sent from somewhere around here.

Pedaling Fool
05-09-2016, 10:01
All the "superfoods" have already been identified, i.e. rice, potatoes, eggs, corn...not to mention various meats...That's why they are staple foods.

http://education.nationalgeographic.org/encyclopedia/food-staple/

A food staple is a food that makes up the dominant part of a population’s diet. Food staples are eaten regularly—even daily—and supply a major proportion of a person’s energy and nutritional needs.

Food staples vary from place to place, depending on the foodsources available. Most food staples are inexpensive, plant-based foods. They are usually full of calories for energy. Cereal grains andtubers are the most common food staples.

There are more than 50,000 edible plants in the world, but just 15 of them provide 90 percent of the world’s food energy intake. Rice,corn (maize), and wheat make up two-thirds of this. Other food staples include millet and sorghum; tubers such as potatoes,cassava, yams, and taro; and animal products such as meat, fish, and dairy.

Everything else is just another mindless fad.



P.S.
I almost forgot... Tacos, they are the superfood of superfoods:D:banana http://www.bicycling.com/food/nutrition/how-to-turn-a-taco-into-serious-performance-fuel?cid=NL_BIK_-_05092016_&smartcode=YN_0006946241_0001552209



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Dogwood
05-09-2016, 14:27
All the "superfoods" have already been identified, i.e. rice, potatoes, eggs, corn...not to mention various meats...


Everything else is just another mindless fad.

P.S.
I almost forgot... Tacos, they are the superfood of superfoods:D:banana
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Umm, everything you eat? is right? and no alternative pts of view will be seriously entertained because all there needs to be known about food you already know? According to you, there is nothing more to understand, to consider worthy of merit. Got it! See, nothing wrong with my comprehension. :D

Pedaling Fool
05-09-2016, 15:52
Umm, everything you eat? is right? and no alternative pts of view will be seriously entertained because all there needs to be known about food you already know? According to you, there is nothing more to understand, to consider worthy of merit. Got it! See, nothing wrong with my comprehension. :D
Actually, all alternative points of view will be seriously entertaining, especially if it makes it on to Dr Oz show. :)

Plenty more to learn, just not from the wackos like Dr Oz, Oprah, Madonna and all the other celebrity freaks that try and sell us on the next miracle food.;)

Dogwood
05-09-2016, 18:53
Whatever expletives one can apply I wouldn't apply "wacko" to Dr. Oz a cardiothoracic surgeon. Some will certainly disagree though likely those who perceive their accepted behavior, standards, and interests being threatened. Of course, if it helps defaming alternative healthcare approaches that aren't as widely accepted outside of mainstream science that will happen. No surprise. Easy to label anyone with generally quackery one doesn't whole heartedly agree.

fiddlehead
05-10-2016, 09:09
OK guys, fight nice.
Now, I heard a new one today:
A friend of mine from VT wants me to pick him up some Cricket flour here in Thailand as I guess that's where it comes from.
So, I researched it a bit and sure enough, there's a place in northern Thailand that sells all kinds of bugs and things made from them.

My wife if from northern Thailand and they do eat a lot of bugs up there.
She has impressed (and grossed) out a few people by catching some bugs and eating them alive.

She hasn't heard of this new one though.

Anyone else? (heard of, or eaten cricket flour?)

Pedaling Fool
05-10-2016, 09:23
OK guys, fight nice.
Now, I heard a new one today:
A friend of mine from VT wants me to pick him up some Cricket flour here in Thailand as I guess that's where it comes from.
So, I researched it a bit and sure enough, there's a place in northern Thailand that sells all kinds of bugs and things made from them.

My wife if from northern Thailand and they do eat a lot of bugs up there.
She has impressed (and grossed) out a few people by catching some bugs and eating them alive.

She hasn't heard of this new one though.

Anyone else? (heard of, or eaten cricket flour?)I've never heard of it, but after a search I did find a company in N. America (Canada) that sells cricket flour, among other cricket and bug products. I like the idea of eating insects, I think there's a lot of potential there.... http://entomofarms.com/

Pedaling Fool
05-10-2016, 09:40
Those are hummingbird flowers, bees get stuck in them and perish;)

Gather some hummingbirds, dehydrate and good to go:DYes, hummingbirds do like the funnel-shaped flowers, but those are the flowers of the 4 o'clock plant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirabilis_jalapa , so named because it blooms in the evening and stays open all night and closes in the morning. So hummingbirds must get to them in the evening or early morning time.

The thing I like about them is that they attract many species of moths that use them as a host plant, thereby leaving tons of little caterpillars which bring in many other beneficial insects to the garden. Plus they have a very sweet smell that fills my entire yard, along with the moonflower plant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ipomoea_alba

Hummingbirds also like my Mexican Petunias https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruellia_simplex which flower all day long. I did a post in the pollinator thread (copied below) on the other plants I'm using to attract hummingbirds.






I'm starting to see hummingbirds. Two easy vines to grow (and they grow fast) and attract humming birds:

Cardinal Climber http://awaytogarden.com/cardinal-cli...ird-favorites/ (http://awaytogarden.com/cardinal-climber-and-its-cousins-annual-vines-that-are-hummingbird-favorites/)

Cypress Vine http://floridata.com/Plants/Convolvu...0quamoclit/582 (http://floridata.com/Plants/Convolvulaceae/Ipomoea%20quamoclit/582)


Some more ideas.... https://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/uw059

RockDoc
05-10-2016, 21:37
I like this discussion of interesting real foods.

It's recently been shown that the cardboard box is more nutritious than Kellog's corn flakes.
http://www.realdosenutrition.com/eating-cardboard-is-healthier-than-breakfast-cereal/