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SkeeterPee
11-09-2015, 11:26
So back when I used to run a lot in the winter, like 20 miles wearing running tights, there was a very cold shrinking effect on the male anatomy dubbed popsicle effect by some runners. There were special undershorts with windstopper technology to stop the wind effect. A bread bag strategically placed could also help but not as comfortable.
So if you are back packing all day is this a problem for men, or is this not an issue since you are moving at a much slower rate and you need more clothing on to stay warm so your body maintains a more even temp across the entire body?
atmilkman
11-09-2015, 11:39
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saltysack
11-09-2015, 11:56
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illabelle
11-09-2015, 11:57
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Only 45 days till Christmas!
Now I have a good excuse not to run in cold weather.:p
But seriously I have never experienced this effect even in cold winters of Canada in a hiking speed.
SkeeterPee
11-09-2015, 12:06
Now I have a good excuse not to run in cold weather.:p
But seriously I have never experienced this effect even in cold winters of Canada in a hiking speed.
While the other answers were humorous, thank you for a serious response. Good to hear this is a non-issue for hiking.
atmilkman
11-09-2015, 12:13
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saltysack, I can't help but giggle at your forum name when I respond to this. I have to go with the MOOSE for obvious reasons! (LOL)
Only 45 days till Christmas!
Add me to your list illabelle!
saltysack
11-09-2015, 12:18
Haaa......Moose or mouse? [emoji108]
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peakbagger
11-09-2015, 12:24
Pete Hickey is a well know hiker in the ADKs that also is a year round bicycle commuter in Ottawa Canada. This link is pretty ancient but discusses the "third sock" as essential winter gear.
http://mudhead.uottawa.ca/~pete/winter.txt
His comment predates the web and appear to be clipped out of the use groups. I had a chance to talk to him about the 3rd sock effect at a hiking even several years ago and he confirmed that he had learned through experience.
Pete is a bit of an early internet personality
http://mudhead.uottawa.ca/~pete/beard.html
For running, a bandana folded in half and inserted between underwear and running tights has worked pretty well but I rarely run in conditions under 20F. Never had any issues hiking, but again, usually don't hike under 20-25F.
atmilkman
11-09-2015, 12:35
Haaa......Moose or mouse? [emoji108]
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Might Mouse!
Tipi Walter
11-09-2015, 12:38
I generate so much heat when I'm backpacking that my Young Johnson comes close to exploding. This is due in part to the tremendous loads I am carrying . . . on my back that is Ha ha ha.
Beyond all this, I have written lengthy descriptions and advice to newbies on how to keep their all-important appendages intact while hiking significantly crappy trails cluttered with sawbriars and brambles and thickets and scrub pine deadfall blowdowns. I once started up the North Fork Citico trail with an 80 lb pack and ended on top sacless with a ken-doll crotch. Let me see if I can find the reference . . .
Some shrinkage can be attributed to your muscles requiring more blood. It's not all down to the cold.
I used to get some pretty good shrinkage when doing circuit training and I certainly wasn't cold then.
saltysack
11-09-2015, 12:47
Not sure why shrinkage matters in the middle of the woods! If I wear my banana hammock to the beach I simply place a large uncooked potato in the front!![emoji8]
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BirdBrain
11-09-2015, 13:04
Seriously? Is this thread for real? Is this a retaliation for all the women's issues threads? Of all the extremities on me that have been very cold while playing in the snow in Maine, I can honestly say that one has never been a concern. And as to shrinkage while clothes are on... Peter, Peter, Peter... talk to me Peter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFZrzg62Zj0
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Tipi Walter
11-09-2015, 13:05
Not sure why shrinkage matters in the middle of the woods! [emoji8]
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But some backpackers demand to hike bottomless. So shrinkage DOES matter.
saltysack
11-09-2015, 13:07
But some backpackers demand to hike bottomless. So shrinkage DOES matter.
The day I walk up on a GUY hiking naked it's time to change hobbies!
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BirdBrain
11-09-2015, 13:10
The day I walk up on a GUY hiking naked it's time to change hobbies!
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I am with you on that one. However, I would suggest that you stay off the trails on June 21.
SkeeterPee
11-09-2015, 13:12
Birdbrain, it is real for runners and I think cyclists. I was not sure if was a concern for hikers.
saltysack
11-09-2015, 13:13
I'm glad I don't hike during the summer...nothing like ticks and chiggers on your junk...ill pass
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BirdBrain
11-09-2015, 13:19
Birdbrain, it is real for runners and I think cyclists. I was not sure if was a concern for hikers.
Okay. I will back off. I used to run 7 miles a day.... in Maine... in the winter too. I can't relate. Moving on. Hopefully someone that can relate can help... if this truly is a serious post. If you say it is, I will believe you. I honestly though this was humor... at first. Then I was taken aback. Can't relate. Moving on.
Although some crossover between hikers, runners, and cyclists runners almost always where the flimsiest non windproof nylon SHORT shorts which can send chills up the Wee Willie area. Road bicyclists tend to be more exposed to wind gusts and out in the open more regularly. I sometimes wear tights for running and cycling in the cold and have on occasions did day summits and weekend backpacking trips in cool/cold/gusty conditions in them which seem to solve enough of the "cold peanut factor." Nylon shorts with a supportive inner liner such as a compression liner alleviate the issue for me when I decide to hike, run, and cycle in cool/cold weather wearing shorts. Think about that. When the male "one eyed wonder" is cold it shrinks back closer to the main body a heat sink of sorts. When you're warm down there like when you exit the hot water jacuzzi you're stretched out like an elephant's trunk. Compression shorts or shorts with that supportive liner keep Mr Happy closer to the fireplace your main body. Want to look big for your significant other don't drop the draws when shivering, warm em up for the road ahead like race car drivers warm up their tires and rev up the engines just before that special time!
saltysack
11-09-2015, 14:00
Although some crossover between hikers, runners, and cyclists runners almost always where the flimsiest non windproof nylon SHORT shorts which can send chills up the Wee Willie area. Road bicyclists tend to be more exposed to wind gusts and out in the open more regularly. I sometimes wear tights for running and cycling in the cold and have on occasions did day summits and weekend backpacking trips in cool/cold/gusty conditions in them which seem to solve enough of the "cold peanut factor." Nylon shorts with a supportive inner liner such as a compression liner alleviate the issue for me when I decide to hike, run, and cycle in cool/cold weather wearing shorts. Think about that. When the male "one eyed wonder" is cold it shrinks back closer to the main body a heat sink of sorts. When you're warm down there like when you exit the hot water jacuzzi you're stretched out like an elephant's trunk. Compression shorts or shorts with that supportive liner keep Mr Happy closer to the fireplace your main body. Want to look big for your significant other don't drop the draws when shivering, warm em up for the road ahead like race car drivers warm up their tires and rev up the engines just before that special time!
Haaaaa only DW could write so much about so little!! No pun intended!![emoji23]
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SkeeterPee
11-09-2015, 14:10
Just to be clear since it seems most you have not experienced this. It was not something that ever happened in an hour run, but would happen in a 3+ hour long runs. And shrinkage is not the concern, but it is the most shrinkage I have ever seen. It really is a painful situation if you are cold enough. Like I said for running I had used bags to prevent it, but bought shorts such as these http://www.amazon.com/Sugoi-Mens-Midzero-Wind-Boxer/dp/B00CU872Q0
notice those are in the running clothes section of Amazon, so this is a real thing, not made up.
BirdBrain
11-09-2015, 14:16
Just to be clear since it seems most you have not experienced this. It was not something that ever happened in an hour run, but would happen in a 3+ hour long runs. And shrinkage is not the concern, but it is the most shrinkage I have ever seen. It really is a painful situation if you are cold enough. Like I said for running I had used bags to prevent it, but bought shorts such as these http://www.amazon.com/Sugoi-Mens-Midzero-Wind-Boxer/dp/B00CU872Q0
notice those are in the running clothes section of Amazon, so this is a real thing, not made up.
I apologize for my assumptions. You are obviously serious.
SkeeterPee
11-09-2015, 14:18
I apologize for my assumptions. You are obviously serious.
No apology needed. Given 3/4 of the responses, I can see why you would not take it serious if you have not experienced it.
Where did he go. Uggh, Mr Popsickle fell off. No he's just hiding deep inside the covers.
Actually, yes, I have experienced it. It's not pleasant but easy enough to remedy when moving generating heat and choosing appropriate "apparel" for the conditions. Although I seriously have NEVER prioritized "apparel" based solely on preventing a COLD Mr Feelgood. You loose heat through your more exposed "appendages." Mr Happy not being totally immune to the effect. The greater the exposed surface areas further away from the heart - core heat - main heat sink - the greater the issue. Hence, no pun intended, some guys have more of a heat loss than others. Gives a new meaning to "put a hat on it."
rocketsocks
11-09-2015, 14:22
I have a fig tree at home for such occasions.
It's really no different in principle than being willing to protect heat loss through your extremities such as top of head, hands, and feet. Although, there's more surface areas in any of these extremity areas to loose heat than any man's even if you have a baby-arm.
SkeeterPee
11-09-2015, 14:36
I think it may be different in that you keep your hands, feet, and head covered and they retain body heat. If the feet/hands get cold the body will reduce blood flow to prevent the cold from reaching the body core. But I think the part we are talking about has blood flow reduced from the moment you start exercising. You are also not creating a lot of heat in this area compared to your legs (when running or cycling) so you can withstand cold with fairly light clothing., but are then you are not protecting the sensitive parts. But it sounds like with hiking this is not much or any factor since you need warmer clothes due to less heat being generated in one area. So it sounds like I do not need to pack the wind briefs.
Odd Man Out
11-09-2015, 14:39
Dr Jerry Nielson was a doctor station at the south pole for a winter season who survived getting cancer in an environment where no outside care or evacuation was possible. In her book about the ordeal (Ice Bound) she describes some of the complexities of providing medical care during a south pole winter. One of these came from the tradition of joining the 300 degee club, where you had to sit in the 200 degree sauna, and then run outside around the south pole flag when it was 100 below zero, wearing nothing except boots. She wrote that she had to treat frostbite "on all 5 appendages"
BirdBrain
11-09-2015, 14:45
I have a friend who runs in every marathon within driving distance. He recently ran a 100 mile race.... and won. He trains year round near the coast of Maine. I am going to have to ask him about this. I have swam in 40° water a few times. The last time was attempting to free twine from a prop about 2 miles off Rogue Island. That water is never warm. Really having a hard time wrapping my brain around the phenomenon in this thread. Perhaps my friend can offer some help.
squeezebox
11-09-2015, 14:53
It's well known that bicycle racers on a long down hill after a mountain climb will stuff some newspaper in the front of their jerseys. Still do it high tech today. I tried in the front of my shorts in the winter a long time ago, and it works.
Homeless people use newspaper for insulation. Why not you? Might work for any other cold body parts that you might get some newspaper into your baselayer or such. Maybe put some newspaper or plastic on your arms, or legs and your feet and hands might be warmer.
Any women out there who use a padded bra for CBS (cold breast syndrome) ?
SkeeterPee
11-09-2015, 14:55
I have a friend who runs in every marathon within driving distance. He recently ran a 100 mile race.... and won. He trains year round near the coast of Maine. I am going to have to ask him about this. I have swam in 40° water a few times. The last time was attempting to free twine from a prop about 2 miles off Rogue Island. That water is never warm. Really having a hard time wrapping my brain around the phenomenon in this thread. Perhaps my friend can offer some help.
See if he runs in tights only. Lots of runners do only tights here in mid atlantic. At colder Maine temps you might wear more. Also my fastest marathon was 3:31 so I was not a fast runner and it could be slow runners experience this more since we are out running longer to cover the same distance. Hal Higdon called it the popsicle effect on his forums and I have seen it elsewhere.
squeezebox
11-09-2015, 14:57
I have a friend who runs in every marathon within driving distance. He recently ran a 100 mile race.... and won. He trains year round near the coast of Maine. I am going to have to ask him about this. I have swam in 40° water a few times. The last time was attempting to free twine from a prop about 2 miles off Rogue Island. That water is never warm. Really having a hard time wrapping my brain around the phenomenon in this thread. Perhaps my friend can offer some help.
Sounds like a good reason to own a wet suit.
Hmm, comments coming from SkeeterPee, Saltysack, BirdBrain, Tipi Walter, Milkman, PeakBagger, and Dogwood.
I asked one PCTer how he associated and remembered the names of some 40 other PCTers getting correct their associated face with their trail names even after having no contact in a couple of months. I expected him to have remembered me through association with the Dogwood tree somehow. He remembered me because I was a dick to him(he deserved it, he was a jag off) and he associated his "excited" dog's woodie with my name. He had a great memory though.
Vegan Packer
11-09-2015, 15:08
"I was in the pool! I was in the pool!" George Costanza
Vegan Packer, sounds suspicious too?
4eyedbuzzard
11-09-2015, 16:03
Okay, so, um, unless this "shrinking effect" is permanent in nature, not an issue, right? I don't think there's a comparison competition around the campfire every night. At least not with the hikers I hang out with - figurative speaking regarding the "hanging out" that is.
And if it is permanent, well, maybe that's a good reason to give up hiking - and buy a big 4x4 truck or bright red sports car to compensate. Get one with heated seats.
A mans gotta do what a mans gotta do.
saltysack
11-09-2015, 16:35
It's really no different in principle than being willing to protect heat loss through your extremities such as top of head, hands, and feet. Although, there's more surface areas in any of these extremity areas to loose heat than any man's even if you have a baby-arm.
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saltysack
11-09-2015, 16:40
Vegan Packer, sounds suspicious too?
[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]this is the funniest shi! ever! Can't be a serious question....
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donthaveoneyet
11-09-2015, 16:50
I find that carrying a picture of Charlize Theron works for me.
saltysack
11-09-2015, 17:02
Why not just pop a Viagra with the vitamin I?? That should keep the turtle out of his shell...[emoji123]
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Another Kevin
11-09-2015, 17:47
Now I have 'Scotland the Brave' going through my head:
"Land o'the kilt and sporran,
Under which there's nothing worn,
Don't you wish the wind was warm,
Scotland the Brave?
It can be mighty gruesome,
Goin' about wi'a frozen twosome.
They're all we get - we mustn't lose 'em,
Scotland the Brave!"
And as long as I can find it when I need to drain the kidneys, who cares?
dudeijuststarted
11-09-2015, 17:57
So back when I used to run a lot in the winter, like 20 miles wearing running tights, there was a very cold shrinking effect on the male anatomy dubbed popsicle effect by some runners. There were special undershorts with windstopper technology to stop the wind effect. A bread bag strategically placed could also help but not as comfortable.
So if you are back packing all day is this a problem for men, or is this not an issue since you are moving at a much slower rate and you need more clothing on to stay warm so your body maintains a more even temp across the entire body?
On the AT, you're pushing up 4000 foot mountains with several dozen pounds on your back. You will be trying to shed layers. Not a problem.
SkeeterPee
11-09-2015, 18:22
ok, here is a monster thread on a running site to convince the skeptics this is real. though you get some of the same jokes. it is a real thing and can lead to frostbite.
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=4913172
Once upon a time , somebody asked a guy with a very long beard( like what we have at the end of a thru hike) that where he puts his beard when he sleeps, under the blanket or over the blanket?
The long beard fellow had never paid any attention to where he puts his beard while sleeping so he said he did not know and he would answer the question the next day.
The next day when the guy saw the long beard fellow he seemed exhausted and he was cursing the guy that questioned him .
"I couldn't sleep last night." The long beard fellow said.
Why?
I put the beard under the blanket and felt hot then I put the beard over the blanket and felt cold. So all night I was feeling either cold or hot. I never paid attention to where I put my beard before your question, now I can't focus on anything except the position of my beard,......
Now it is about me. I never felt any risk of frost for my thing , now I have one more thing to worry about in dead of winter.
Just kidding.
bikebum1975
11-09-2015, 20:05
Y'all don't know cold till ya ride a bicycle in oh say 15 degrees or so without a windchill that's good fun. Trust me it's not the moving you gotta worry about things getting cold or the shrink factor. It's called layers. I don't dress like a normal biker I do heavy layers usually wool. I've never had any issues. It's the face being in the wind now that hurts.
Love all the comments, but this. is. a. serious. issue.
My lower unit gets painfully cold when I run in cold weather. I have underwear with a windproof panel, and stuff the front with a small towel. An ounce of prevention!
I do not get the same issue when hiking or walking - only running.
August W.
11-09-2015, 21:03
And if it is permanent, well, maybe that's a good reason to give up hiking - and buy a big 4x4 truck or bright red sports car to compensate. Get one with heated seats.
A mans gotta do what a mans gotta do.
Reminds me of an old pumper sticker one of those wing nut environmental groups used to give out. It said, "THE BIGGER THE TRUCK, THE SMALLER THE XXXX!" (rhymes with truck)
squeezebox
11-09-2015, 21:27
I'm glad I don't hike during the summer...nothing like ticks and chiggers on your junk...ill pass
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And then asking for someone to help with a tick check.
Another Kevin
11-09-2015, 21:40
And then asking for someone to help with a tick check.
I can use my compass mirror to check down there, thank you very much. Where I need help with a tick check is the back of my neck.
Sarcasm the elf
11-09-2015, 21:43
I can use my compass mirror to check down there, thank you very much. Where I need help with a tick check is the back of my neck.
Wait a second, didn't you lend me that compass once? :eek:
squeezebox
11-09-2015, 21:49
Y'all don't know cold till ya ride a bicycle in oh say 15 degrees or so without a windchill that's good fun. Trust me it's not the moving you gotta worry about things getting cold or the shrink factor. It's called layers. I don't dress like a normal biker I do heavy layers usually wool. I've never had any issues. It's the face being in the wind now that hurts.
In the old days when I would ride in chilly weather and expect the weather and legs to warm up in a while. I would oil my legs up with cooking oil, didn't have to bring tights along just to take them off soon, oil soaked in after a while. Maybe vasoline on my face when really cold weather. It worked. Take it easy getting your legs warmed up, I tore a thigh muscle sprinting through a yellow light once, still gives me trouble sometimes. Keeping Mr. Willie warm with vasoline?
Well that's a different thread.
rocketsocks
11-09-2015, 22:01
Winter winds, man made or not are a show stopper for me. The bike dosen't get ridin from thanksgiving to about the second week in May round here.
TexasBob
11-09-2015, 22:22
........My lower unit gets painfully cold when I run in cold weather...........
Obvious question is "Why run then?".
BirdBrain
11-10-2015, 02:16
See if he runs in tights only. Lots of runners do only tights here in mid atlantic. At colder Maine temps you might wear more. Also my fastest marathon was 3:31 so I was not a fast runner and it could be slow runners experience this more since we are out running longer to cover the same distance. Hal Higdon called it the popsicle effect on his forums and I have seen it elsewhere.
Well, we texted. Here was his answer:
"I'm not sure (insert my name). I have been running for 35 years and have never had that problem. Apparently someone needs to put on a few more layers of clothes under their running suit. Or somebody is very well gifted so it freezes. But I put on a couple pair of shorts when it's below freezing."
I would like to drop a name so as to show the credibility of his opinion. However, I will leave him anonymous. Suffice it to say he holds a few records.
If the name SkeeterPee is suggestive of something, my friend's theory of being gifted may be off base. Therefore, I will offer another possibility. The Sherpa's of Nepal have developed abilities to cope with the thin air of high elevation. It might be that us Mainer's have developed an increased level of blood flow to certain areas. A scenario is easy to envision. All the men without the necessary blood flow had their extremities suffer frostbite and thus rendered them impotent. It took only one generation to purge the inferior trait from the gene pool.
Yah... I got nothing. Sorry. Can't help. Can't relate. Neither can my friend.
BirdBrain
11-10-2015, 02:30
Sounds like a good reason to own a wet suit.
The coldest water I ever swam in was when I was 18. There was ice still visible on Nequasset Lake. On a dare, 3 of us young men dove off the bridge on Route 1. I went in first. When I hit the water, it was so cold that it felt like it was not water. It is hard to describe. It felt more like very cold air shredding my skin. As I swam to the surface, I realized I was in serious danger of being the only fool. Therefore, I composed myself and yelled, "the water is great... it is unbelievable!" They believed me. I swear I was half way to shore before they hit the water. They were not happy. Neither was I. However, I took some solace in the shared misery.
squeezebox
11-10-2015, 08:40
Those breast pads for nursing moms might work for men and women alike?
Just a passing thought.
Lone Wolf
11-10-2015, 08:43
mainers are SO tough. it's amazing
donthaveoneyet
11-10-2015, 09:46
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If the name SkeeterPee is suggestive of something,....
Just FYI, the term "Skeeter Pee" generally refers to a variety of homemade fermented beverage. http://skeeterpee.com/ I've never made any, but have made some close variations. It's basically a kind of homemade wine. Said to be quite tasty on a summer afternoon.
imscotty
11-10-2015, 09:47
I'm calling troll. Smoky Spoon, is that you? This thread is perfect payback for that deleted woman's thread whose name cannot be mentioned. Well done, I tip my cap to you.
BirdBrain
11-10-2015, 11:04
mainers are SO tough. it's amazing
Not nearly as tough as a man that claims no part of the AT is difficult. If I were reading my posts on the cold, tough would not be the first word that would come to mind. In the case of Nequasset, stupid would be a better word. In the case of Roque Island, jumping into the Labrador Current before the sailboat hit rocks was necessary. However, my bad planning was not the point. Lack of freezing appendages was. My experience was lacking. Therefore, I sought the opinion of an expert. That expert is from Maine. He, nonetheless, is an expert. I relayed his answer.
Sorry guys. Witty pithy posts require verbose annotations. Otherwise they might seem relevant. My grapplings to relate had nothing to do with toughness or any claim to be tough. They were unpleasant ill advised experiences at best. The Polar Bear Club members are tough. I won't be joining that group.
Relaying stories of stupid things done is not bragging about toughness. However, I understand your confusion. You think only wimps use the canoe at the Kennebec. I used the canoe.
SkeeterPee
11-10-2015, 11:51
Just FYI, the term "Skeeter Pee" generally refers to a variety of homemade fermented beverage. http://skeeterpee.com/ I've never made any, but have made some close variations. It's basically a kind of homemade wine. Said to be quite tasty on a summer afternoon.
Winner Winner Chicken dinner, that is what my name refers to a beverage I make/consume.
SkeeterPee
11-10-2015, 11:58
I'm calling troll. Smoky Spoon, is that you? This thread is perfect payback for that deleted woman's thread whose name cannot be mentioned. Well done, I tip my cap to you.
Not a troll. Google "cold penis running" if you aren't at work and you'll get 700,000 hits. It is a common issue for runners. I am new to backpacking and wanted to see if was an issue or not. Out in the wild is no time to find out frostbite is an issue for this part of the body.
Better to be prepared. A few people gave serious responses which was appreciated.
imscotty
11-10-2015, 12:26
OK Skeeterpee,
Never had a problem with that, but I am a three-season hiker. Once I get moving, everything warms up. Perhaps I have been missing out on this kind of winter fun.
saltysack
11-10-2015, 12:34
I just tuck it in my wool sock[emoji12]...it stays warm........I seriously doubt you will have an issue with a frozen Peter! As other have said lugging a pack is alot different than running...why not try a cold weather day hike to check your peters cold weather tolerance....
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imscotty
11-10-2015, 12:34
Skeeter,
As part of your research, you might want to watch this video...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2qUHaNP_No
Ouch!
BirdBrain
11-10-2015, 12:42
I still can't get by SkeeterPee asking about PeterFreeze. Reminds me of when MaxPatch asked me about "mowing the lawn".
When it comes to hiking and peter issues, there is another issue you might want to consider.
"There's a skeeter on my peter, sweet Marie
There's another on my brother, can't you see
There's a dozen on my cousin
Can't you hear those bastards buzzin'
There's a skeeter on my peter, sweet Marie"
atmilkman
11-11-2015, 01:22
I still can't get by SkeeterPee asking about PeterFreeze. Reminds me of when MaxPatch asked me about "mowing the lawn".
When it comes to hiking and peter issues, there is another issue you might want to consider.
"There's a skeeter on my peter, sweet Marie
There's another on my brother, can't you see
There's a dozen on my cousin
Can't you hear those bastards buzzin'
There's a skeeter on my peter, sweet Marie"
Hickory dickory dock,
I really got a cold............................jock.