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Starting my thru hike on the 12th, Up until now i've used a trangia with an evernew cross stand.
This works great when using a wider pot, but I switched to a narrow Toaks 750 pot for my thru hike. My boil time is now around 11 minutes, does anyone have any suggestions on stoves? The fancy feast and can stoves both take about 10 minutes, their flames are a little too wide.
I've been looking at the Toaks siphon stove, Zelph's venom stove and evernew's titanium stove.
Anyone who uses this pot, or similar narrow pots, what stove do you use?
sethd513
03-04-2016, 14:49
This is a picture of my 550 toaks pot on a red bull stove. The boil with a aluminum foil wind screen is under 5 minutes filled to the brim if I remember correctly. The flame rolls over a bit though.
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160304/1ddec31ecb6f57e4204ffefeb75b2cb1.jpg
If I can make the 750 I just ordered boil 3 cups with one fueling of this stove then I will keep using it. Might have to make another to hold a pinch more fuel. Or I've been saving up some soda cans to try a stove like the penny stove but with only 7 or 8 holes on the inside of the base of the soda can. Then use a pot stand.
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GreenBlaze
03-04-2016, 15:40
I use a Zelph Starlyte (modified) (http://www.woodgaz-stove.com/modified-starlyte-burner-with-lid.php) with lid @ 0.6oz. I can boil 2 cups in about 6m on a MSR Alpine Stowaway which is a good size pot. Much faster with smaller pots. The stove creates a nice concentrated flame right in the center.
fastfoxengineering
03-05-2016, 01:00
zelph starlyte
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Odd Man Out
03-05-2016, 01:36
The eCHS stove is much more powerful than the Starlyte and focuses the flame in the center of the pot even better. However you will need a pot stand and a wind screen and you will need to make a few stoves to get it right (tricky build).
How did you make that? it looks different than other red bull stoves I've seen. I'll try it out.
12trysomething
03-05-2016, 19:32
How did you make that? it looks different than other red bull stoves I've seen. I'll try it out.
This is how I make them. https://youtu.be/EKy9w_hbg80
The eCHS stove is much more powerful than the Starlyte and focuses the flame in the center of the pot even better. However you will need a pot stand and a wind screen and you will need to make a few stoves to get it right (tricky build).
Is the Toaks siphon stove made in the same fashion as the eCHS? DIY stove makers wanna know :-)
There's something about one piece stoves that attracts my attention :-) (Fancee feest, StarLyte, Venom Super Stove)
Rex Clifton
03-06-2016, 10:45
A capillary hoop stove sold on ebay by mfoutdoors. It works great on all narrow diameter pots (I use with a Foster's Can pot). Best of all, it costs a whooping $5.00!
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Odd Man Out
03-06-2016, 14:55
Is the Toaks siphon stove made in the same fashion as the eCHS? DIY stove makers wanna know :-)
There's something about one piece stoves that attracts my attention :-) (Fancee feest, StarLyte, Venom Super Stove)
I have not had my hands on one. It does seem to be built based on the same desigh. But the one on line test video I saw seemed to show inferior performance.
I have not had my hands on one. It does seem to be built based on the same desigh. But the one on line test video I saw seemed to show inferior performance.
I agree, looks like a double wall with jets shooting up and inward and oh my! it's made of titanium.:-) Oh Gee!!! it requires a separate pot support Darn!!! but that the same as the eCHS ;-)
As a quick tip...
if you keep the handles apart they remain MUCH cooler than together.
(you need to remember to spread them after you place the pot on the stove)
As a quick tip...
if you keep the handles apart they remain MUCH cooler than together.
(you need to remember to spread them after you place the pot on the stove)
What causes them to be hotter when kept together?
I resell the 750 ml Toaks pots. In my testing, they work fine with either of my DualFuel burners (regular or XL). I do not recommend a Bottlestove.com or similar pot-pressurized burner for a narrow pot like this. Most small format alcohol stoves should work well.
capehiker
03-08-2016, 15:58
I use QiWiz's multi-fuel burner with my Toaks 650 & 750 pot (they have the same diameter). I use his burner in my Bushbox UL Pocket stove which puts the pot 1 inch from the burner (hits the sweet spot). The stand also allows the Toaks to seat very nicely.I'm using Esbit in this pic but I use the alcohol part of his burner all the time.
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jshannon
03-16-2016, 06:15
Current lightweight butane stove winner ; )
http://www.amazon.com/Ultralight-Camping-Outdoor-Portable-Titanium/dp/B01077AGC2
sethd513
03-17-2016, 23:21
Well with the red bull stove and about 37 ml of fuel I boiled 3 cups of water in under 8 minutes. Stove burned for over 9. I'm waiting on some new windscreen material so once I get that I'll do a true test in the elements. The 550 on the red bull stove felt fine but this one feels a little tippy. Technically to sadly use 37ml of fuel I need to make my base a little taller. More input once I get some hard numbers
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sethd513
04-03-2016, 15:56
i cant seem to get a boil out of the fancy feast stove with 30ml of denatured alcohol and 3 cups of water. it burns for around 14 minutes though. i havent tried 37 ml but i feel like the red bull stove is a work horse for this pot at 9 minutes. i think im going to have to try and reconfigure my redbull set up by making the bottom section deeper and the top lower as 37 ml almost flows over the top. but im unsure if this is going to effect the heat pushed out by the stove.
cmoulder
04-03-2016, 16:31
A pot with a wider base is more efficient. With the Fancee Feest (http://www.woodgaz-stove.com/fancee-feest.php) (Zelph's perimeter wick version) I get consistent boils of 3 cups of cold water with 30ml denatured alcohol (Kleen Strip) using an Open Country 3-cup hard-anodized aluminum pot. Consistent boil time of 9min to 9:30.
Something recently new came into being. A Toaks 550 pot(no handles) and a short Titanium Cone made by Trail Designs. The pot has a ridgeline placed in such a position as to afford the cone to be made to fit sideways inside the pot. Makes for a nice compact kit. Works with esbit and alcohol.
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Kaptainkriz
04-09-2016, 14:18
I like that, where might I find one?
Something recently new came into being. A Toaks 550 pot(no handles) and a short Titanium Cone made by Trail Designs. The pot has a ridgeline placed in such a position as to afford the cone to be made to fit sideways inside the pot. Makes for a nice compact kit. Works with esbit and alcohol.
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I like that, where might I find one?
The history and updated info on the kit is located in this thread:
https://backpackinglight.com/forums/topic/92988/
Kaptainkriz
04-09-2016, 20:46
Thanks a bunch! :)
The history and updated info on the kit is located in this thread:
https://backpackinglight.com/forums/topic/92988/
punchcard
04-10-2016, 07:37
If you just want water to boil use a esbit ti wing stove. Nothing lighter and easier.
Kaptainkriz
04-25-2016, 20:25
New kit testing away in my kitchen! :sun
Very very cool....
The history and updated info on the kit is located in this thread:
https://backpackinglight.com/forums/topic/92988/
Yesterday and this morning I did some water boiling using a Toaks 750 and an XL that was modified with a heat shield so it could operate efficiently in small quarters. I was surprised at the results. I was not interested in amount of time to attain a boil, just efficiency of fuel.
Toaks 750
DIY Titanium windscreen/pot support.
2.5 cups water per test (3 tests) start temps were at approx. 55 degrees
Denatured alcohol in the Starlyte XL (slow) with carbon felt heat shield.
1.16gr(0.56oz) used for 2.5 cups
2.19gr(0.67oz) used for 2.5 cups
3.17gr(0.59oz) used for 2.5 cups
My fourth test consisted of 2 cups water because I thought I would not have sufficient fuel remaining.
4. 15gr(0.52oz) used for 2 cups
I suspect I had enough fuel remaing to boil another 2 cups.
The StarlyteXL holds 4 ounces of fuel The burner weighs 26gr(0.917oz)
My Toaks 750 was the one I used during the development of the device used to apply the ridgline to the Ti pots. The photo of the pot shows the test rings. Doubt they had any positive effect on the efficiency. The pot sits 1″ down into the pot support, very stable. From the bottom of the pot support to the bottom of the pot is 2″.
1″ from bottom of pot to top of burner.
Incoming air is directed to sides of burner, keeping it cooled while in use.
Pot support is same diameter of pot, very stable. Pot is only 2″ from ground.
Under calm conditions in my garage, the flame of the burner remains under the pot, none going out the top holes. The heat shield is what makes this set-up work so well. The 1″ of titanium in contact with the entire circumference of the pot bottom also is what is making this work so well. The pot acting like a huge heat sink while the stove is in operation.
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Here is what the pot support looks like side by side with a cone style support. Shows the means of closure. I call mine the tounge and groove. Pots are Toaks 550. Pot supports are 3" tall:
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Well....I thought that was pretty good results anyone agree?
1.16gr(0.56oz) used for 2.5 cups
2.19gr(0.67oz) used for 2.5 cups
3.17gr(0.59oz) used for 2.5 cups
Kaptainkriz
05-01-2016, 14:10
I'd say those are very good. :)
i just ran some tests with the 550 setup and was getting 2 cup boils outside in 55F/breezy with 16g. :D
I'm liking this thing.
Well....I thought that was pretty good results anyone agree?
1.16gr(0.56oz) used for 2.5 cups
2.19gr(0.67oz) used for 2.5 cups
3.17gr(0.59oz) used for 2.5 cups
sethd513
05-01-2016, 15:14
Are you pressing these pots in a press or are they shipped to you this way
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Are you pressing these pots in a press or are they shipped to you this way
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I made a special DIY gizzmo to make the supporting ridgeline. I purchase the pots and then do my thing on them. There was a member on BPL that asked me to make a supporting ridgeline on his pot and that's how all this started. One idea leading to another.
sethd513
05-01-2016, 18:41
That's what I need for my 750 pot. I'm assuming you can put the ridge where ever your liked?
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Looks sweet!
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That's what I need for my 750 pot. I'm assuming you can put the ridge where ever your liked?
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Well almost anywhere. If I get my spring cleaning done in the next 2 weeks I should be able to accept Titanium pots to be sent to me and I could put a ridgeline wherever you like and then you can make your own DIY cone and use your DIY stove for a personalized kit. Pots with handles are more difficult but doable.
I'd say those are very good. :)
i just ran some tests with the 550 setup and was getting 2 cup boils outside in 55F/breezy with 16g. :D
I'm liking this thing.
Kaptainkriz, the more you use it, the better it gets. The compactness and weight is awesome for a solo pot.
This video shows one of the modified Toaks pots:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsulOfVPQyw&feature=youtu.be
Casey & Gina
06-08-2016, 09:00
Is the Toaks siphon stove made in the same fashion as the eCHS? DIY stove makers wanna know :-)
There's something about one piece stoves that attracts my attention :-) (Fancee feest, StarLyte, Venom Super Stove)
I have a Toaks Siphon stove, and it is great. As for as I know it is pretty much identical in function to the eCHS (which I don't own), just more durable due to titanium construction. No complaints about efficiency, however I do prefer to use a wide-bottom pan even with this style of stove to capture as much of the heat as possible. I use it with a small titanium tea cup just fine too.
The only complaint is that the pot stand that Toaks sells to go with the stove is half an inch too tall, which means loss of efficiency if you use it as it comes - for fastest boil times you'll want the pot to sit closer. This can easily be corrected with a pair of wire snippers, by placing a small rock underneath the stove to lift it up a bit, or by using something else as your pot stand (that's perhaps also wind resistant).
For the 750ml Toaks I use my UL-compressed-felt stove:
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Rex Clifton
08-27-2016, 19:37
There's a stove on eBay that works great with small diameter pots. Here is a pic. The stove sells for a whopping $5.00!
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160827/428a37afaa9fc1e31a3cf4d56c47adfe.jpg
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Bubbabuzz
08-31-2016, 14:32
I made a couple "fancy feest" stoves today and poured in 3 oz of denatured alcohol. I filled my Toaks titanium 1600 ml pot w/ 33 oz of tap water, brought to a rolling boil (with lid) in under 5 minutes. I then added a full bag of the Bear Creek's "Darn Good Chili". I stirred 7 times over the next 35 minutes with no sticking to the bottom of the pot. I had a steady and even flame that just curled to the lower edge of the pot. I am extremely pleased with the Zelph "Fancy Feest" stove. A huge thanks to all who posted information on it and especially to Zelph for continuing to share his adaptations.360673606836069