View Full Version : Keep an eye on your stuff folks
Gambit McCrae
04-06-2016, 11:58
Just a reminder for maybe some trusting, or new folks out there - Keep your stuff in sight, and tidy when on the trail. For both the act of theft by human as well as bears. I personally keep my backpack on my back as much as possible, I never leave my pack at a trail intersection to see a blue blaze trail, or unattended at camp. Now if I've got camp setup, and there are lots of other hikers around, I don't mind putting my stuff in my tent to go get water, privy etc, but I button up all my things and leave nothing in sight. A few stories come to mind - Mainly trekking poles being nabbed at shelters, items left scattered get picked up etc but as well, A fella last spring on springer claimed his whole pack had been nabbed by a bear the year before, and a pack nabbed at the blue blaze intersection on Roan High knob.
saltysack
04-06-2016, 12:16
Good points for the new folks on here....
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illabelle
04-06-2016, 13:34
We witnessed 5 people dump their packs on the AT in the Smokies to explore the side trail to Mt Cammerer. Not a good decision.
If a bear grabs a pack, it greatly inconveniences the hiker (and everybody else who has to contribute extra food and clothing to help him/her), but it can be lethal for the bear to be perceived as a threat to humans.
I've never worried much about my pack being stolen. But for sure, critters will seek out and find any food you leave in it. Once I'm at camp I don't worry about it much at all.
HooKooDooKu
04-06-2016, 14:20
We witnessed 5 people dump their packs on the AT in the Smokies to explore the side trail to Mt Cammerer. Not a good decision...
Not only "not a good decision" but technically illegal in the National Park (if they left any food in the packs). Park regulations require "proper food storage" at all times when not in use.
Suggestions:
1) Carry a 4oz bike chain with a combo lock for use at say Waysides in Shenandoah where backpacks can't be taken inside. Wrap the bike chain around several loops in your backpack and position it where you can sit at a window and keep an eye on it. This won't stop determined thieves but may convince them something easier is available. The AT is a microcosm of Society so thievery happens just like it happens back in Society.
2) Don't put valuables inside your tent at Trail Days in Damascus, VA and think their safe.
3) Don't put your backpack unattended outside stores along the AT -- someone in a pickup truck might swoop in, throw your backpack and others into the pickup bed and be off before you can say "hiker feed".
4) If for some reason you have to leave your backpack in the woods near a road crossing (don't do this), stay back at least a half-mile from the road (not at the actual road crossing). Believe it or not, there are people who watch for you to do that and after you leave, they just walk over and pick up your backpack where you hid it and are off to sort through your valuables. It's a clever way for a thief to have an easy time.
5) Sleep with your hiking poles next to you when sleeping in a shelter -- don't just lean them up against the shelter wall and think they're going to be there in the morning while to are in la-la land overnight.
Datto
StubbleJumper
04-06-2016, 20:27
My experience has been much different from this. I just leave my pack pretty much anywhere when in the woods. As long as you are at least a mile or so away from a trail head, nobody is going to steal your pack. I have never had anyone rifle through my pack either when I left it unattended at a shelter or at a trail junction -- frankly, most of my gear items are not particularly valuable and who the heck wants to carry someone else's weight anyway? I leave my poles leaning against the shelter all night, and have never had any trouble. In short, keep your cash and payment cards close to your body, but don't worry about the rest. Nobody wants your stinky sleeping bag and nobody wants to pilfer your stove.
Just relax and enjoy your hike!
Slo-go'en
04-06-2016, 21:09
Obviously you need to use some common sense , but you don't need to be overly paranoid about it.
We witnessed 5 people dump their packs on the AT in the Smokies to explore the side trail to Mt Cammerer. Not a good decision.
If a bear grabs a pack, it greatly inconveniences the hiker (and everybody else who has to contribute extra food and clothing to help him/her), but it can be lethal for the bear to be perceived as a threat to humans.
and most of the shelters have a resident thief bear who associates a bag with food and will take it away....
happens pretty much every year at cosby and russell.......
oh, and i should state----even a bag not containing food, at the shelters, a bear might take.............
saltysack
04-06-2016, 22:00
Seems foolish to leave gear unattended. I've met a few sketchy folks along the trail in the south. I keep my pack with me and usually get water before setting up camp so I never leave it unattended. Bears and vermin can do damage to gear in no time. People on most trails lose gear to people and animals every year...I'm not paranoid by any means just depend on and value my gear...easily $750-1000 worth of crap in that bag!
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Different Socks
04-07-2016, 00:49
My experience has been much different from this. I just leave my pack pretty much anywhere when in the woods. As long as you are at least a mile or so away from a trail head, nobody is going to steal your pack. I have never had anyone rifle through my pack either when I left it unattended at a shelter or at a trail junction -- frankly, most of my gear items are not particularly valuable and who the heck wants to carry someone else's weight anyway? I leave my poles leaning against the shelter all night, and have never had any trouble. In short, keep your cash and payment cards close to your body, but don't worry about the rest. Nobody wants your stinky sleeping bag and nobody wants to pilfer your stove.
Just relax and enjoy your hike!
Ditto! Never had a problem and anyone that sends up red flags in my head, I never leave my stuff alone.
If you're a thru-hiker or contemplating a thru-hike, keep in mind if day hikers and two-day hikers have their stuff lost to thievery, they just go home a day early and go back to work as usual. They just have REI or whomever send them some new stuff to accompany all the other new stuff they have in their garage.
It's just one of the many many things that makes doing a day hike or an overnighter completely different than undertaking an AT thru-hike.
If you're a thru-hiker your backpack is your house -- if you lose your backpack, you have a very serious problem. Think of all the money and time you have invested in your thru-hike and all of a sudden your wallet, your sleeping bag, your tent/tarp, your food, your iphone, those special pictures of your girlfriend and everything is gone. To restart your thru-hike will cost you not only tons of money, but tons of time and aggrevation.
If, right now, you're a thru-hiker in planning you should start distinguishing between the sources of advice you're receiving -- here and elsewhere.
Datto
It does make sense to keep your most valuable items (wallet, phone, camera, etc.) on you if you leave your pack for any length of time.
I've left my pack for hours at a time at many hostels. I've left it outside my tent overnight at many campsites (back when I was using a tiny Eureka Solitaire tent.)
If I'm in town, I try to keep it in sight, or if I'm at a store or place to eat, ask staff if they mind if you keep it close, or if they'll stash it for you while you're there.
MyFeetHurt
04-07-2016, 15:50
I hope things have not changed so much in the 10 years since my hike where hikers need to be overly worried about losing their gear? I would routinely leave my loaded bag out front of restaurants/shops/whatever and never worried about it getting lifted.
Jack Tarlin
04-07-2016, 16:38
There is actually very little theft among hikers when they are in the woods. Nearly all problems are in towns or hostels, so use some common sense with your stuff. A few quick comments:
*Never, and I mean NEVER "stash" your pack in the woods near the Trail, even for just a little while, and never
have anyone do you this "favor".
*In a hostel or shelter, police up your stuff, and don't leave tempting things (like headlamps, electronics, pocket-
knives, etc., out where people can get at them. Also, consolidate your stuff and try to keep it in one general
location, you'll be much less likely to forget something.
*When you know you're going to be in the woods for awhile, i.e. nowhere where you'll need to spend money,
bury your wallet in your pack or keep in on your person in a secure pocket. Don't leave in a side pouch or the
top "brain" of your backpack, where someone could find it in five seconds.
*Use extra diligence with your property when riding in vehicle. On the Trail, probably 100 items are lost or for-
gotten than are stolen. Most frequently lost items in vehicles: Your ziplock "wallet"; your phone; your trekking
poles. Make a small sticky label and put your name and E-Mail info on your phone; it greatly increases the
chance of it getting back to you if it is lost.
**Back up or periodically remove EVERYTHING on your phone......photos; names and addresses; numbers; other
info. The number of people who manage to lose gadgets while hiking is unbelievable.
**When doing laundry in a town, it's probably OK to leave your stuff unattended for a little while when it's in
the washer, but I would NOT leave stuff in a dryer and then take off for an hour. I know some folks who lost
some very expensive stuff doing this.
*Don't have anything outside your pack that you can't afford to lose, cuz stuff falls off packs all the time.Arriving
into camp after a long rainy day and discovering you've lost a flip-flop is no big deal. Discovering you no longer
have a tent is no fun at all. In fact, if you "strap" something to your pack, either the back, bottom, or front,
you might want loop a small carabiner to the item, so that if works its way out of the pack-straps, at least
it won't fall to the ground and be lost.
*Be leery of lending stuff to other folks unless you can do without it, and ask people to hand deliver you back
the item when they return it. Be aware that very frequently, if you lend other folks your stuff, it may well
be returned dirty, damaged, late, or never.
*In hostels, mark/label your food if there's a common fridge or it'll likely be eaten, and never leave food or gear
near a hiker/swap box.
*In hostels and motels, do an idiot check when you leave the bathroom. Please lost jewelry and watches all
the time. And look under your bed, too!
That's it for now, I'm sure I'll think of more for later.
Less than 60 seconds after I took this photo, some guy ran into this laundromat, went to the right-hand dryer in the background of this photo, grabbed all the clothes from the dryer and took off in his car. The owner of the clothes yelled loudly, ran out after the thief (Pearson and ran out with him too) but the thief was already driving away.
Datto
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peakbagger
04-08-2016, 13:49
If you are drunk or drugged in town you are basically asking to be ripped off. I remember one spring at a shelter north of Damascus, a stereotypical New Yorker was complaining loudly about all the stuff that was stolen from him at the hostel in town. He also later mentioned how much he partied in town the past few nights. Later on a couple came through who had been at the same hostel and mentioned that they might be moving on because that New Yorker had been at the hostel the night before and was falling down drunk and kept everyone awake. He apparently was giving all sorts of his stuff away to anyone who would take it.
For most folks, they may be super secure when sober but mix some alcohol or drugs into the mix and all sense of caution goes by the wayside. If someone is prone to be stealing, its pretty easy to just hang back and wait until the partying cranks up.
Lone Wolf
04-08-2016, 14:34
I remember one spring at a shelter north of Damascus, a stereotypical New Yorker was complaining loudly about all the stuff that was stolen from him at the free hostel in town. there is no FREE hostel in Damascus
there is no FREE hostel in Damascus
Sorry to learn that.
There used to be one that asked for donations only, but I guess times change.
Enjoy the Masters, Lone Wolf.
Lone Wolf
04-08-2016, 19:35
Sorry to learn that.
There used to be one that asked for donations only, but I guess times change.
which one?
Wise Old Owl
04-08-2016, 20:01
Suggestions:
1) Carry a 4oz bike chain with a combo lock for use at say Waysides in Shenandoah where backpacks can't be taken inside. Wrap the bike chain around several loops in your backpack and position it where you can sit at a window and keep an eye on it. This won't stop determined thieves but may convince them something easier is available. The AT is a microcosm of Society so thievery happens just like it happens back in Society.
2) Don't put valuables inside your tent at Trail Days in Damascus, VA and think their safe.
3) Don't put your backpack unattended outside stores along the AT -- someone in a pickup truck might swoop in, throw your backpack and others into the pickup bed and be off before you can say "hiker feed".
4) If for some reason you have to leave your backpack in the woods near a road crossing (don't do this), stay back at least a half-mile from the road (not at the actual road crossing). Believe it or not, there are people who watch for you to do that and after you leave, they just walk over and pick up your backpack where you hid it and are off to sort through your valuables. It's a clever way for a thief to have an easy time.
5) Sleep with your hiking poles next to you when sleeping in a shelter -- don't just lean them up against the shelter wall and think they're going to be there in the morning while to are in la-la land overnight.
Datto
Huh? too easily picked....Even the best are simply peace of mind....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qx19gB3m7Y
Lone Wolf
04-08-2016, 21:07
Called "The Place".
it's always been a minimum donation facility, clearly posted amount. if you don't put 7 bucks in the box you're a friggin' loser
it's always been a minimum donation facility, clearly posted amount.
You sure about that?
Lone Wolf
04-08-2016, 21:38
very sure....
After 33 years my testimony would't hold up in court, so I will defer to your expertise.
MuddyWaters
04-09-2016, 01:14
LolTrails no different from anywheres else
Most people are good. Theres a few bad ones.
I think theres probably more bad ones today as the type of person that hikes, and why, is changing
You will probably be OK 99+% of the time with lax attitude, but it only takes one bad experience to ruin your hike......and a years planning ,saving, and preparation. Being diligent should be a no brainer.
Most thieves are opportunistic...don't give them the opportunity. When there is a donation box and nobody is watching to see who donates and who does not, how many do you think will put something in the box? What do you think those same people would do if you left your wallet sitting on the table and left the room? What would they do if you left your pack to go to the grocery store?
StubbleJumper
04-10-2016, 09:57
Most thieves are opportunistic...don't give them the opportunity. When there is a donation box and nobody is watching to see who donates and who does not, how many do you think will put something in the box? What do you think those same people would do if you left your wallet sitting on the table and left the room? What would they do if you left your pack to go to the grocery store?
I would agree that most thieves are opportunistic...they are not staking out a particular place and awaiting a victim. But I would also observe that mostly they don't want our stuff, but rather want cash. The only reason why they steal our stuff is to convert it to cash by selling it. That's where there's a low incentive to steal items that are not individually valuable and that have no effective secondary market (this is why you can safely hang your wash on the line unsupervised for days at a time...no thief actually wants your clothes and second hand markets only offer a pittance for used clothing). Cash and payment cards particularly require supervision because they are light and attractive.
In town, there's definitely a risk that some clown could steal your pack in the hope that there might be something inside which can be readily converted to cash, so you don't want to leave your entire pack unsupervised in a public place. But I wouldn't hesitate to hang my sleeping bag on a line unsupervised because it's a lot of effort to steal a bag and convert it to cash.
I find the story of somebody's laundry getting stolen from the laundromat a little bizarre. Who wants somebody else's clothing? It probably won't fit, it's probably not your style, and you only get pennies on the dollar at a second-hand shop. I am prepared to believe that somebody could mistakenly empty out the wrong dryer and take someone else's clothes, but it strikes me as a little weird that anyone would actually make and effort to steal them....
CamelMan
04-10-2016, 10:20
Who wants somebody else's clothing? It probably won't fit, it's probably not your style, and you only get pennies on the dollar at a second-hand shop. I am prepared to believe that somebody could mistakenly empty out the wrong dryer and take someone else's clothes, but it strikes me as a little weird that anyone would actually make and effort to steal them....
Heh, reminds me of Marla from Fight Club. Maybe there's a secondary market for those $200 jeans.
It's embarrassing to admit, but I did have my rain jacket stolen from my pack in 2010 while I was busy at a privy. Not very smart on my part, but because of having conversed with the perpetrators, I had let down my guard. I wouldn't leave anybody with my backpack while I used the can at a Starbucks, so I won't do it (anymore!) at a shelter, hostel, or restaurant.
From what I've seen, people won't steal dirty clothes, so I don't worry so much when they are in the washer. But once I put them in the dryer I'm sitting there until they are done. Depending upon what kind of clothing you have it could be very desirable to a thief. Many hikers have over $1000 wrapped up in their pack...somebody who is wanting a new tent or sleeping bag could be very tempted. People don't often think about it, but clothing is the same way...how much money do you have wrapped up in one load of laundry...could easily be $1000.