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merebrilliance
05-11-2016, 13:02
Check out more: gofundme.com/merebrilliance
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I'm clearly a dinosaur. I got my first smartphone just two weeks ago, and this is the very first 'gofundme' post that I've ever read.
I don't know what to say other than I'm stunned.
Sarcasm the elf
05-11-2016, 14:58
I'm clearly a dinosaur. I got my first smartphone just two weeks ago, and this is the very first 'gofundme' post that I've ever read.
I don't know what to say other than I'm stunned.
I will warn you now that smartphones are huge timesinks and having one often defeats the purpose of killing your television. I'm speaking from experience. :eek:
Millenials seem to think they're entitled and that others should fund their endeavors. I'll wager she Feels The Bern also.
If you can't afford something, save up until you can.
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Mr. Bumpy
05-11-2016, 15:12
Its funny, but also in the same category as, "I'm a thru and need a ride for free to Damascus Trail Days."
Greenlight
05-11-2016, 15:16
There are three tiers of giving: at the ten dollar level, I'll mention you by name in a YouTube video from the trail! For fifty dollars, I'll send you a piece of my gear that breaks along the trail, or you can opt for a worn out sock (unwashed, sorry!) or other undergarment. Just let me know. For a hundred dollars, I'll carve your initials in a tree under a blaze and send you a photo suitable for framing!
Millenials seem to think they're entitled and that others should fund their endeavors. I'll wager she Feels The Bern also.
If you can't afford something, save up until you can.
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There are three tiers of giving: at the ten dollar level, I'll mention you by name in a YouTube video from the trail! For fifty dollars, I'll send you a piece of my gear that breaks along the trail, or you can opt for a worn out sock (unwashed, sorry!) or other undergarment. Just let me know. For a hundred dollars, I'll carve your initials in a tree under a blaze and send you a photo suitable for framing!
What do I get for 50 cents?
Greenlight
05-11-2016, 15:42
Ten seconds of FaceTime chat from the privy.
What do I get for 50 cents?
There are three tiers of giving: at the ten dollar level, I'll mention you by name in a YouTube video from the trail! For fifty dollars, I'll send you a piece of my gear that breaks along the trail, or you can opt for a worn out sock (unwashed, sorry!) or other undergarment. Just let me know. For a hundred dollars, I'll carve your initials in a tree under a blaze and send you a photo suitable for framing!Sounds like this should have been posted in a Japanese hiking forum, could put a run on the unwashed undergarment vending machines.
Check out more: gofundme.com/merebrilliance
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Not working. Did you take it down?
I refer to this thread:
http://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/showthread.php/118578-Please-GoFundMe-pretty-please
I personally feel the gofundme can served valid purposes. But maybe you can be the one to talk peeps out of their hatred for Millenials.
Nothing to do with generations...
My cousin is 25 years old. A student nurse. Works as a CNA currently. Fantastic person, independent, smart and hardworking. Is really into jeeping as a hobby. She paid for it herself....
My other cousin (and the younger cousin's mentor) is on the cusp of generations at 35. She went went to the Air National Guard at 19, put herself through nursing school and was commissioned as an officer last year when she received her BSN to go with her Associate RN degree.
( My younger brother, who is also on the cusp, is a senior sgt at the same base and put one of her "butter bars" on at the commissioning ceremony. I told my cousin to make sure that my brother always salutes her! ;) )
I have quite a few first cousins under 30 years old. Let's not do the generational finger pointing thing. My cousins are all wonderful and hard working people. :)
Nothing to do with generations...
I have quite a few first cousins under 30 years old. Let's not do the generational finger pointing thing. My cousins are all wonderful and hard working people. :)
I'm not saying the all Millennials are that way, but from what I've seen and experienced a good portion of them are of the entitlement mentality.
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I'm not saying the all Millennials are that way, but from what I've seen and experienced a good portion of them are of the entitlement mentality.
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Don't know how old you are. But similar things were said about Gen Xers when I was in my 20s.
Greenlight
05-11-2016, 17:41
Every generation after Adam was the worst generation ever. And according to the kids, their parents screwed everything up.
Except for the Greatest Generation. They kicked butt, and reset the clock, so their kids (us) were... well, Hippies and their grandkids were Hipsters. The Greatest Generation created the Hippies. We're going to be okay.
Don't know how old you are. But similar things were said about Gen Xers when I was in my 20s.
Feral Bill
05-11-2016, 18:10
This individual has/is a problem. Can't put that on her same age peers.
What do I get for 50 cents?
Ten seconds of FaceTime chat from the privy.
If there's scratch and sniff available, there's probably ALT-Money to be made.
Datto
Tuckahoe
05-11-2016, 18:28
Millenials seem to think they're entitled and that others should fund their endeavors. I'll wager she Feels The Bern also.
If you can't afford something, save up until you can.
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I'm not saying the all Millennials are that way, but from what I've seen and experienced a good portion of them are of the entitlement mentality.
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That's some amazing backpeddling there... your lack of qualifiers in your original post is a clear indictment of all millenials and to come back with a weak, "I'm not saying..." does not change your meaning of the first post.
On the other hand I am ok laying the blame for the failings of the millennials at the feet of their elders who were supposed to be mentoring them.:rolleyes:
This is what I remember of her request.
1. She's a nursing student and it's really a hard major but she's gotten really good grades;
2. She's all kinds of stressed from the... you know... the stress of studying;
3. She really needs a break after 9 long, hard difficult months in school -- not to work and save for next semester -- but to hike;
4. She'd like a couple thousand and has already raised $170;
5. Finally, there are some pics of her doing hiking kinda stuff -- posing on top of a mountain, posing near a trail, posing blowing a kiss, posing with her books, posing with her class notes, and... well... I guess the operative word posing.
That is what I recall.
Now if you will excuse me, I'm going to climb onto a moving freight train and take a trip to AnywhereButHere.
merebrilliance
05-11-2016, 23:29
Wow! Thanks for all the uproar and opinions! I don't feel entitled to anything, but I agree...there are many who do; however, not every subject in a stereotypical group actually fits that stereotype. Honestly, I am surprised by the actual donations I have received. It was not my idea to start a gofundme, but after running short in funds, I took the advice. Sure I could have worked this semester and ended up failing or dropping. We started with 63 students and are down to 26. I am currently working as of Monday, and will continue until I leave. Sure, I can stay and work, but where is the fun in that? The awesome part about asking for things is that others have the right to say no, nothing is forced on you. We all waste money everyday. I am giving people another option to 'waste' money on. There are many people who have been able to live vicariously through my hiking experiences, and I enjoy taking the time on my journeys to think of them, and be thankful my feet can actually carry me to such amazing and beautiful places; I was once morbidly obese and thankfully, I am no longer a prisoner to my body.
Throw stones if you must. I hope one will be a Skipper :-)
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Sure, I can stay and work, but where is the fun in that?
It is called life.
Work a little longer, save up money, go hiking. I did it myself for many years until fairly recently.
Panhandling on a hiking website when other people are scrimping and saving to go on their vacations?
Well, that does take some chutzpah. I will say that much. ;)
The instant gratification generation
... The awesome part about asking for things is that others have the right to say no, nothing is forced on you. ...
Yes, you can ask/ beg for money from strangers but, you mother should have taught you better. Then again, "where is the fun in that?"
Ankle Bone
05-12-2016, 12:40
Wow! Thanks for all the uproar and opinions! I don't feel entitled to anything, but I agree...there are many who do; however, not every subject in a stereotypical group actually fits that stereotype. Honestly, I am surprised by the actual donations I have received. It was not my idea to start a gofundme, but after running short in funds, I took the advice. Sure I could have worked this semester and ended up failing or dropping. We started with 63 students and are down to 26. I am currently working as of Monday, and will continue until I leave. Sure, I can stay and work, but where is the fun in that? The awesome part about asking for things is that others have the right to say no, nothing is forced on you. We all waste money everyday. I am giving people another option to 'waste' money on. There are many people who have been able to live vicariously through my hiking experiences, and I enjoy taking the time on my journeys to think of them, and be thankful my feet can actually carry me to such amazing and beautiful places; I was once morbidly obese and thankfully, I am no longer a prisoner to my body.
Throw stones if you must. I hope one will be a Skipper :-)
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When I turned 16, Dad said "Son you can now have any car you want. You just have to pay for it."
Maybe it was upbringing. Sue your parents and settle out of court for $4,000. There's some fun in that.
Sure, I can stay and work, but where is the fun in that?
I hope you learn that life isn't always fun before you get out into the real world. Sometimes you have to make sacrifices to achieve your goals.
As for being obese, that really has nothing to do with this discussion. I, too, was in the same situation as you are. Getting into hiking probably saved my life, or extended it a good bit.
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The instant gratification generation
Hmmm. They said that about my baby boomer generation.
All generations want this in some way. Now there's just technology to spread awareness of it.
I have no problem with fundraising sites. They've allowed me to contribute to a few things I may not have been aware of. But all have been non-profits, be it documentary filmmaking or illness treatments.
The OP is a different story. If she is walking to raise funds say, for Alzheimer's awareness, I'm in. But if she wants peeps to fund her hike just to pay her way, I'm not. I'll be doing my AT thru as a fundraiser, but will first save the $6,000 - $7,000 to pay for my hike. The fundraising part will be like a walkathon. I pay for my gear; zero days; transportation; food, etc., and will do that before I post the fundraiser on GFM or whatever site will be used a few years from now. No different to me than getting a fundraising letter in the mail, except GFM will take 8 percent off the top from my account, not the organization's.
Mere - Congrats on getting the weight off. I did the Long Trail (Vermont) and lost tons of weight on that. So as your walk gets closer, check back here to read the many excellent posts by the vets here on nutrition on the trail.
Greenlight
05-12-2016, 17:07
Miel,
You're so conciliatory. I mean that as a compliment. I lobbed a few grenades at merebrilliance in the way of sarcasm and snarky comments. But you make a good point. I've given on GFM before, but it was for Martyn Ashton, a MTB'er who broke his back and needed rehab equipment. And a girl in Buduburam refugee camp who needed meds. And a kid with cancer. Etc. I've never given so that a college student could take a summer vacation. I don't wish merebrilliance any bad will, I just thought coming here to post for donations was sort of like crashing a wedding reception, grabbing the mic from the best man, and asking for moolah. Not only is nobody going to pitch in (the original $100 was a self-donation, you can betcha azz), everyone there is going to be whispering "OMG" under their breath. You just. Don't. Do That.
Fundraisers, sure.
Financing your vacation? Look up the term "self-licking ice cream cone."
Hmmm. They said that about my baby boomer generation.
All generations want this in some way. Now there's just technology to spread awareness of it.
I have no problem with fundraising sites. They've allowed me to contribute to a few things I may not have been aware of. But all have been non-profits, be it documentary filmmaking or illness treatments.
The OP is a different story. If she is walking to raise funds say, for Alzheimer's awareness, I'm in. But if she wants peeps to fund her hike just to pay her way, I'm not. I'll be doing my AT thru as a fundraiser, but will first save the $6,000 - $7,000 to pay for my hike. The fundraising part will be like a walkathon. I pay for my gear; zero days; transportation; food, etc., and will do that before I post the fundraiser on GFM or whatever site will be used a few years from now. No different to me than getting a fundraising letter in the mail, except GFM will take 8 percent off the top from my account, not the organization's.
Mere - Congrats on getting the weight off. I did the Long Trail (Vermont) and lost tons of weight on that. So as your walk gets closer, check back here to read the many excellent posts by the vets here on nutrition on the trail.
CamelMan
05-12-2016, 17:41
I don't fund mere brilliance. There would have to be something socially useful. A nurse will soon be able to pay for all his/her thru-hiking themselves.
Miel,
You're so conciliatory. I mean that as a compliment. I lobbed a few grenades at merebrilliance in the way of sarcasm and snarky comments. But you make a good point. I've given on GFM before, but it was for Martyn Ashton, a MTB'er who broke his back and needed rehab equipment. And a girl in Buduburam refugee camp who needed meds. And a kid with cancer. Etc. I've never given so that a college student could take a summer vacation. I don't wish merebrilliance any bad will, I just thought coming here to post for donations was sort of like crashing a wedding reception, grabbing the mic from the best man, and asking for moolah. Not only is nobody going to pitch in (the original $100 was a self-donation, you can betcha azz), everyone there is going to be whispering "OMG" under their breath. You just. Don't. Do That.
Fundraisers, sure.
Financing your vacation? Look up the term "self-licking ice cream cone."
ITA, Greenlight. But if someone wants to throw money at someone and it doesn't take away from, say, their own child, I'm fine with that. I won't take food out of my own child's mouth. But it makes some peeps feel good to give away their funds. Your own giving sounds worthy, necessary. That rehab equipment is expensive, and even under the ACA, insurance doesn't cover all of it all the time.
(When I married, which was close to mid-life, my husband and I only asked for the presence of our loved ones, not their presents. Some gifted us anyway, which we graciously received. I paid a CNA so my mother, who had Alzheimer's, could attend. Worth every dollar.)
Basically, I do my research and prefer GFM requests in which an accounting of money spent is updated on the page from time to time.
Right now my "project" is tending to chestnut tree seeds, growing them because of the blight here in the U.S. No money spent except on sterile potting soil, seeds collected from the trees in my neighborhood. I hope to be the Johnny Appleseed of the North Shore of Boston. :D
OkeefenokeeJoe
05-12-2016, 18:43
Every generation after Adam was the worst generation ever. And according to the kids, their parents screwed everything up.
Except for the Greatest Generation. They kicked butt, and reset the clock, so their kids (us) were... well, Hippies and their grandkids were Hipsters. The Greatest Generation created the Hippies. We're going to be okay.
I am well aware that each generation believes the next generation is "the worst generation ever;" however, I am now retired, but after hiring/firing young college educated persons entering the workplace for the past several DECADES I can say, without hesitation, that the current crop of millennials (20-something and 30-something year-olds) have hit an all-time low in marketability. With rare exception, I have found millennials entering the workplace to be ignorant (thank you common core and government education), lazy (no work ethic), entitled, sloppy, uninspired, selfish, ungrateful, void of patriotism, void of personal ethics and character, and overly demanding. To make matters worse, they could care less. These young spoiled brats are perfectly content sitting at home, mooching off mommy and daddy, hoping an inheritance will one day fall in their lap. In their world, tardiness and calling out (from work) is common place, and working on a Friday, to them, is optional. In today's professional world is a rare rare occurrence, indeed, when a stellar (millennial) candidate enters the door looking for employment, and when that happens it gives the senior executive staff cause for celebration.
So, YES, there is a definite and measurable decline in today's millennials vs the young adults of yesteryear. Sadly, looking at the sea of millennials who are foolishly and ignorantly affected by "the Bern," I am afraid it is only going to get worse.
OkeefenokeeJoe
CamelMan
05-12-2016, 18:49
I doubt they're genetically inferior. Maybe something about the environment has changed. Maybe they couldn't give a rat's anus about spending their lives in thrall to corporations, working hard and giving a crap in order to make other people rich, in exchange for crumbs from the table. Looks like the kids are alright (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/rampage/wp/2016/02/05/millennials-have-a-higher-opinion-of-socialism-than-of-capitalism/).
Greenlight
05-12-2016, 19:23
That is really neat! I wouldn't have thought of that. I live in Ash country, and the emerald ash borer is wreaking havoc on the trees. People around here are doinog everything they can to save the best of the species, but the treatment is expensive and not guaranteed to work. I hope your efforts bear "fruit."
Right now my "project" is tending to chestnut tree seeds, growing them because of the blight here in the U.S. No money spent except on sterile potting soil, seeds collected from the trees in my neighborhood. I hope to be the Johnny Appleseed of the North Shore of Boston. :D
Greenlight
05-12-2016, 19:27
Okee,
I've been privileged to spend the past decade working with military personnel and people who come from that culture. I hear horror stories from the recruiters sometimes, but I thought that was a perennial complaint, too. Believe it or not, boot camp (as watered down as it has become in the Army) knocks a lot of that crap out of the kids. By the time they got to my work area, they were at least buck sergeants and pretty much had their heads on straight.
Thanks for the insights.
I am well aware that each generation believes the next generation is "the worst generation ever;" however, I am now retired, but after hiring/firing young college educated persons entering the workplace for the past several DECADES I can say, without hesitation, that the current crop of millennials (20-something and 30-something year-olds) have hit an all-time low in marketability. With rare exception, I have found millennials entering the workplace to be ignorant (thank you common core and government education), lazy (no work ethic), entitled, sloppy, uninspired, selfish, ungrateful, void of patriotism, void of personal ethics and character, and overly demanding. To make matters worse, they could care less. These young spoiled brats are perfectly content sitting at home, mooching off mommy and daddy, hoping an inheritance will one day fall in their lap. In their world, tardiness and calling out (from work) is common place, and working on a Friday, to them, is optional. In today's professional world is a rare rare occurrence, indeed, when a stellar (millennial) candidate enters the door looking for employment, and when that happens it gives the senior executive staff cause for celebration.
So, YES, there is a definite and measurable decline in today's millennials vs the young adults of yesteryear. Sadly, looking at the sea of millennials who are foolishly and ignorantly affected by "the Bern," I am afraid it is only going to get worse.
OkeefenokeeJoe
Sarcasm the elf
05-12-2016, 20:16
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I am well aware that each generation believes the next generation is "the worst generation ever;" however, I am now retired, but after hiring/firing young college educated persons entering the workplace for the past several DECADES I can say, without hesitation, that the current crop of millennials (20-something and 30-something year-olds) have hit an all-time low in marketability. With rare exception, I have found millennials entering the workplace to be ignorant (thank you common core and government education), lazy (no work ethic), entitled, sloppy, uninspired, selfish, ungrateful, void of patriotism, void of personal ethics and character, and overly demanding. To make matters worse, they could care less. These young spoiled brats are perfectly content sitting at home, mooching off mommy and daddy, hoping an inheritance will one day fall in their lap. In their world, tardiness and calling out (from work) is common place, and working on a Friday, to them, is optional. In today's professional world is a rare rare occurrence, indeed, when a stellar (millennial) candidate enters the door looking for employment, and when that happens it gives the senior executive staff cause for celebration.
So, YES, there is a definite and measurable decline in today's millennials vs the young adults of yesteryear. Sadly, looking at the sea of millennials who are foolishly and ignorantly affected by "the Bern," I am afraid it is only going to get worse.
OkeefenokeeJoe
1) Thank you, Greenlight.
2) Okee - I hardly think that "patriotism" (whatever that means these days) is a measure of good moral character. In my childhood "patriotism" sent impoverished young men to die in Vietnam.
Oh hey, I got called out by the mods for being political! Yet you get away with flaming Bernie supporters. Hmm, must be a cae around here not of patriotism but of favoritism.
In any case, Sen. Joe McCarthy and the 1950s called. They want you back.
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Exquisite!
but after hiring/firing young college educated persons entering the workplace for the past several DECADES I can say, without hesitation, that the current crop of millennials (20-something and 30-something year-olds) have hit an all-time low in marketability.
I am shocked, shocked, shocked that DECADES ago you thought better of twenty-somethings. Nothing do with the fact that DECADES ago you were a twenty-something as well. ;)
Old complaints...from dare I say, old people?
Yeah, I think so.
http://mentalfloss.com/article/52209/15-historical-complaints-about-young-people-ruining-everything
Paul - bald, early middle aged guy who knows some kick ass twenty-somethings. We are going to be just fine...
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Oh hey, I got called out by the mods for being political! Yet you get away with flaming Bernie supporters. Hmm, must be a cae around here not of patriotism but of favoritism.
No. It is called we do this voluntarily and we can't read every damn post-that-closely-thankyou-very-much.
And, if you read above, I am not exactly showing favoritism.
Paul - still a bald, early middle aged guy, but one who really should not waste his time with posts like Miel's above because he is about to have a beer with his friends. Thankyou-very-much.
I am shocked, shocked, shocked that DECADES ago you thought better of twenty-somethings. Nothing do with the fact that DECADES ago you were a twenty-something as well. ;)
Old complaints...from dare I say, old people?
Yeah, I think so.
http://mentalfloss.com/article/52209/15-historical-complaints-about-young-people-ruining-everything
Paul - bald, early middle aged guy who knows some kick ass twenty-somethings. We are going to be just fine...
No. It is called we do this voluntarily and we can't read every damn post-that-closely-thankyou-very-much.
And, if you read above, I am not exactly showing favoritism.
Paul - still a bald, early middle aged guy, but one who really should not waste his time with posts like Miel's above because he is about to have a beer with his friends. Thankyou-very-much.
Oh, I always enjoyed a good drunk mod :banana
Sarcasm the elf
05-12-2016, 21:55
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Paul - still a bald, early middle aged guy, but one who really should not waste his time with posts like Miel's above because he is about to have a beer with his friends. Thankyou-very-much.
Mags,
On a serious note, I'm stuck on Dad duty right now and will be all weekend. Please have a beer for me!
rocketsocks
05-12-2016, 23:28
Oh, I always enjoyed a good drunk mod :bananathis
come on back later, yeah! :D
Oh, I always enjoyed a good drunk mod :banana
That was pre-beer. Just imagine if I was post-beer! ;)
Mags,
On a serious note, I'm stuck on Dad duty right now and will be all weekend. Please have a beer for me!
You'll appreciate this.. Part of the night was planning out a backpack in July. Since d-low of TTS frame and our two other buddies are also Dads, it takes two months of planning to figure out a weekend that works for them. Being the only DINK, I am reasonably flexible. :)
(Going to be an off-trail route to an un-named alpine lake below the continental divide. Should be awesome).
That was pre-beer. Just imagine if I was post-beer! ;)
You'll appreciate this.. Part of the night was planning out a backpack in July. Since d-low of TTS frame and our two other buddies are also Dads, it takes two months of planning to figure out a weekend that works for them. Being the only DINK, I am reasonably flexible. :)
(Going to be an off-trail route to an un-named alpine lake below the continental divide. Should be awesome).
where is the gofundme link so I can donate :D
rocketsocks
05-13-2016, 07:11
Guess I gotta google Dink, I slept on it but it didn't work.
Sarcasm the elf
05-13-2016, 08:29
Guess I gotta google Dink, I slept on it but it didn't work.
Enough talk about googling Dinks, this is a family place! :eek:
1) D.I.N.K. -Acronym -Dual Income No Kids
2) Dink - Proper name - The not-coincidently named childless couple that lived next door in the Early 1990's kids show Doug.
http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/doug/images/a/a3/Mr._%26_Mrs._Dink.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140612125244
Whiskey_Richard
05-13-2016, 08:39
2) Dink - Proper name - The not-coincidently named childless couple that lived next door in the Early 1990's kids show Doug.
http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/doug/images/a/a3/Mr._%26_Mrs._Dink.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140612125244
Mind blown!!
I'm moe than a little slow on the uptake...26 years later someone still had to point it out.
why set up a gofundme page? Why not just go to Mom and Dad? Bound to be more resources their than go fundme. Or perhaps she could go to a sugarbaby website.
intrepid fool
05-13-2016, 08:55
Now this is an entertaining thread to read with my morning coffee!
Seems like a natural evolution of the time-honored practice of yogi-ing.
The big difference is that the on-line solicitations are straight forward and honest, while a proper yogi is by definition a deceitful and manipulative act.
The other big difference is that many thru-hikers celebrate the yogi King's and Queens and hold them in a kind of awe-- rather than rant about them in a thread like this.
Alligator
05-13-2016, 13:13
Wow! Thanks for all the uproar and opinions! I don't feel entitled to anything, but I agree...there are many who do; however, not every subject in a stereotypical group actually fits that stereotype. Honestly, I am surprised by the actual donations I have received. It was not my idea to start a gofundme, but after running short in funds, I took the advice. Sure I could have worked this semester and ended up failing or dropping. We started with 63 students and are down to 26. I am currently working as of Monday, and will continue until I leave. Sure, I can stay and work, but where is the fun in that? The awesome part about asking for things is that others have the right to say no, nothing is forced on you. We all waste money everyday. I am giving people another option to 'waste' money on. There are many people who have been able to live vicariously through my hiking experiences, and I enjoy taking the time on my journeys to think of them, and be thankful my feet can actually carry me to such amazing and beautiful places; I was once morbidly obese and thankfully, I am no longer a prisoner to my body.
Throw stones if you must. I hope one will be a Skipper :-)
Sent from my Nexus 6P using TapatalkAll fundraiser threads on this site must be for trail related organizations. So thread closed.
1) Thank you, Greenlight.
2) Okee - I hardly think that "patriotism" (whatever that means these days) is a measure of good moral character. In my childhood "patriotism" sent impoverished young men to die in Vietnam.
Oh hey, I got called out by the mods for being political! Yet you get away with flaming Bernie supporters. Hmm, must be a cae around here not of patriotism but of favoritism.
In any case, Sen. Joe McCarthy and the 1950s called. They want you back.Mags answered your charge. You were also told however that if you there is a post that breaks the rules or is political, that you are supposed to use the report post icon. I will also note that you are not supposed to continue posting about deletions. Read over the user agreement #3, you can find it in the link provided in my signature.