View Full Version : The Sierras in October: a thread to share knowledge and experiences
As always, my plan to do a solo 60-day section hike of the PCT is constantly morphing. The plan of now is to start somewhere near Kennedy Meadows early September and go north to Castella. Then transfer over to the Bigfoot Trail for about 15 days, and end on the Pacific coast near the end of October.
Due to injury/legal related matters from a car accident I remain in a purgatory state doing my best to make sure this trip does not become a phantom adventure.
It should be noted that I have no experience long distance hiking, but have been diligently researching, preparing, and training everyday for 4 months now. I feel like 4 months has been a long time for me because much my energy goes into this hike on the daily as opposed to working full time and/or having a family. In two weeks I am taking a survival wilderness course with this dude in Ocala, FL that seems to really know what he is doing. I am definitely respecting the magnitude of the hike.
Due to recent updates, there is a chance that I will not be able to get out to the Sierras until late September. I know snow can be expected during this time, and it may not be the best time to be there. However, weather is different every year. I would appreciate anyone sharing their experience or just overall feedback of the idea of being in the Sierras in late September into October.
Thank you!
colorado_rob
07-28-2016, 10:42
We did a NOBO JMT thru hike starting mid-late September 2012, into October, basically 15 minutes of rain on the entire trip. Glorious weather. but, yeah, you should probably expect some dustings now and then in October.
Have you considered going SOBO, starting in Yosemite or just north, so that by late October you'll be in the friendlier lower elevations south of the Sierra's ?
We did a NOBO JMT thru hike starting mid-late September 2012, into October, basically 15 minutes of rain on the entire trip. Glorious weather. but, yeah, you should probably expect some dustings now and then in October.
Have you considered going SOBO, starting in Yosemite or just north, so that by late October you'll be in the friendlier lower elevations south of the Sierra's ?
I have considered it, but after discovering the bio-diversity of the Klamath mountains and the amazing option of hiking part of the Bigfoot Trail I can't let that idea go. Also on the BFT there are only a couple of places of 7k elevation, which can be a bit friendlier as October rolls on into November. Plus I will be working my way towards the temperance of the Pacific coast doing the BFT which will help with weather.
But that is promising to hear that you had such a good weather situation.
magic_game03
07-28-2016, 15:22
In my experience, you should be fine in early October. It will be cold and there will be a dusting of snow, but no snow pack or anything that you should have to trudge through. By late October and early November you should expect a snow pack to start building. That said, I've summited Half Dome on Christmas day with no snow anywhere.
35586 Yosemite Valley, December 24th, 2011.
Now that is a good Christmas.
It is true that the weather is different every year. I have been skiing in Tahoe on 2-4 Ft of snow in October. And I have seen zero snow and 75 degree days in October and November and even December. You can look at NOAA predictions and guesstimates for the fall based on ocean temps, etc. But, you will get the weather you get.
PS... It is not accurate that the High Sierras get all the snow and that the lower elevations in Northern California get less snow. Northern CA gets as much, or more, snow as the southern Sierras. The reason people believe that we get less is that thru hikers hit the high Sierras in April/May and hit Tahoe and Northern CA in June/July or even August.
PS... It is not accurate that the High Sierras get all the snow and that the lower elevations in Northern California get less snow. Northern CA gets as much, or more, snow as the southern Sierras. The reason people believe that we get less is that thru hikers hit the high Sierras in April/May and hit Tahoe and Northern CA in June/July or even August.
Thank you for clarifying that. Do you think a month out from the hike could be a time to maybe at least get a feel for what the weather is generally going to do out there?
It is the Fall in the mountains. It is an unpredictable crap shoot. You may get absolutely glorious weather the first two weeks of October and it may snow 3 feet the week before Halloween. Or maybe it won't snow until November or December. Or maybe it will snow 24/7 your first week out and not snow again for 6 weeks. There's just no way to know.
It is like 60 days of weather in October and November in New York or Michigan or Wyoming or lots of places with seasons. The weather on September 25 tells you nothing about the weather on November 15.
I'd watch the weather week to week and have a bailout plan and maybe a backup plan to hit the coast or desert or something.
magic_game03
07-28-2016, 21:50
Just so you realize, snow is probably going to be the least of your problems since you are skating in just before winter. I will throw out two very big issues you will have for your trip. By the way, which Kennedy Meadows are you referring to? The one on the south side of the Sierra's or the one by Sonora Pass?
Anyway, about your two big issues. Everything will be closed. KM in the south will be closed. The gate at Whitney Portal may be closed/locked by Late September/Early October, so you may have to walk into Lone Pine. Muir Trail ranch, VVR, Reds Meadow, & Tuolumne will all be closed for the season. There's nothing at Sonora or Carson. Echo lake will be closed, of course most people can't resist going down into S.Lake Tahoe, so no big deal there. And as you go north along the PCT you will run into this constant problem of everything being closed. It will be nice and peaceful but those are some long stretches without many of the resources most hikers rely on.
Second problem is water. Spring melt comes and goes. Then the long summer takes it's toll and even more water sources stop flowing. Then cold weather hits and it freezes up what's left of others. By late fall only the most consistent of water sources flow. this will be compounded with the freezing of lakes and ponds. Now, the whole lake or pond may not be frozen but the edges will be at higher altitudes. I'm not going into all the details of water problems, I'm just giving you a basic level understanding of the problems you may face.
Anyway, I'm not trying to sway your decision but I think these are factors you will have to prepare yourself for.
Sounds like snow would be a welcome source of water. Food may be more scarce than water.
Wayne
Old. Slow. "Smarter than the average bear."
+1 to everything being closed.
Don't know how fast you are planning on going but you'll be carrying shoulder season/winter weight gear and many days of food.
The following average weather info may be helpful. Although, you may get zero inches of snow. Or you may get 5 feet. Really no way to tell.
The median day that Tioga Road in Yosemite closes due to snow is November 12. Half the time it closes in late October/earlier in November. And half the time, it closes later in November or December. This is not the first day with snow, just the day that they stop plowing the road for the winter.
https://www.nps.gov/yose/planyourvisit/seasonal.htm
Sonora and Ebbetts Passes also close about this same time.
Carson Pass is open year round but is very snowy. Kirkwood Ski Resort is near Carson. The average Oct. and Nov. snow fall for Kirkwood is 66".
https://snowfall.weatherdb.com/l/13547/Kirkwood-California
Donner Summit is "only" 7075 feet in elevation. I-80 also stays open all winter.
The average date that the snow becomes a "permanent" fixture on the ground (until April, May or June) is November 19. The earliest date is Oct. 24.
http://www.sierracollege.edu/ejournals/jscnhm/v2n1/climatesummary.html
From Wiki:
Winter weather (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather) at Donner Pass can be brutal. At an average of 411.5 inches (10.45 m) per year, Donner Pass is one of the snowiest places in the United States. Four times since 1880 total snowfall at Donner Summit has exceeded 775 inches (19.69 m) and topped 800 inches (20.32 m) in both 1938 and 1952.[14] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donner_Pass#cite_note-SierraSnowfall-14) To take advantage of the heavy snows, the Boreal Ski Resort was built to the north. Ski resorts in the Lake Tahoe (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Tahoe) area report an average of 300 to 500 inches (7.62 to 12.70 m) of snowfall per season. Winds in the pass can also become extreme and wind gusts in excess of 100 miles per hour (160 km/h) are common during winter storms (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_storm). Winter temperatures in the area drop below zero several times each year; the all-time record low for California of −45 °F (−42.8 °C) was recorded at Boca (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boca,_California) (east of Truckee) in January 1937.
The winter of 1846–47 was especially severe, and this is generally cited as the single most important factor in the disaster of the Donner Party (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donner_Party). In the winter of 2010–11, over 700 inches (17.78 m) fell by May 23. Snow depth peaked in early April 2011 with over 250 inches (20.83 ft; 6.35 m) of snow on the ground.[15]" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donner_Pass#cite_note-15)
Lassen National Park gets seriously mega snow.
"Annual snowfall at Lassen National Park is epic, the most recorded in California. At the Lake Helen snow survey site, elevation 8,200 feet, an average annual 660 inches (55 feet) of snow buries the area each winter. Some years more than 1,000 inches (83 feet) of snowfall has been measured there. Despite Lassen’s relatively modest elevation, the heavy snowfall sustains 14 permanent patches of snow in the park.
Lassen Volcanic National Park is the least visited of California’s national parks. Due to deep snow cover the road through the park often isn’t plowed until late June or early July and is closed again by late October."
http://www.tahoedailytribune.com/article/20101014/COMMUNITY/101019946
It is a myth that all the snow in California is on Forester Pass and above 10,000 feet. :)
Just a wild, crazy guess.
CDT.
New Mexico.
SOBO.
Or wait until next year if possible.
PS: DLP, thank you for the detailed information. Very interesting.
Wayne
magic_game03
07-29-2016, 09:03
Sounds like snow would be a welcome source of water. Food may be more scarce than water….
It does, doesn't it. It's also a mistake that I made when I was inexperienced. Early snow usually has a dry powdery consistency and often forms in small drifts that makes it hard to collect. Anybody who has had to cook-up snow knows that it takes water to do it. Sometimes a wet snow can be melted but it is an extremely tedious process that burns a lot of fuel and results in minimal amounts of water. I'm not going to spend an hour typing up a long dissertation of cooking/melting snow. I'm just warning that it is an ordeal that Rybir will have to face.
Just so you realize, snow is probably going to be the least of your problems since you are skating in just before winter. I will throw out two very big issues you will have for your trip. By the way, which Kennedy Meadows are you referring to? The one on the south side of the Sierra's or the one by Sonora Pass?
Anyway, about your two big issues. Everything will be closed. KM in the south will be closed. The gate at Whitney Portal may be closed/locked by Late September/Early October, so you may have to walk into Lone Pine. Muir Trail ranch, VVR, Reds Meadow, & Tuolumne will all be closed for the season. There's nothing at Sonora or Carson. Echo lake will be closed, of course most people can't resist going down into S.Lake Tahoe, so no big deal there. And as you go north along the PCT you will run into this constant problem of everything being closed. It will be nice and peaceful but those are some long stretches without many of the resources most hikers rely on.
Second problem is water. Spring melt comes and goes. Then the long summer takes it's toll and even more water sources stop flowing. Then cold weather hits and it freezes up what's left of others. By late fall only the most consistent of water sources flow. this will be compounded with the freezing of lakes and ponds. Now, the whole lake or pond may not be frozen but the edges will be at higher altitudes. I'm not going into all the details of water problems, I'm just giving you a basic level understanding of the problems you may face.
Anyway, I'm not trying to sway your decision but I think these are factors you will have to prepare yourself for.
I was referring to the south side KM. I actually have been calling and checking and KM south said they will be open into November. Sonora Pass Direct Resupply said they deliver up into mid-late October as long as roads are clear too. Also if RM is closed then Mammoth Lakes should be viable. I think I am actually surprisingly good on resupply after some diligent research. But of course freak weather could change that.
Now in terms of water, this is all new to me haha. Thank you. These factors are totally important to consider.
+1 to everything being closed.
Don't know how fast you are planning on going but you'll be carrying shoulder season/winter weight gear and many days of food.
The following average weather info may be helpful. Although, you may get zero inches of snow. Or you may get 5 feet. Really no way to tell.
The median day that Tioga Road in Yosemite closes due to snow is November 12. Half the time it closes in late October/earlier in November. And half the time, it closes later in November or December. This is not the first day with snow, just the day that they stop plowing the road for the winter.
https://www.nps.gov/yose/planyourvisit/seasonal.htm
Sonora and Ebbetts Passes also close about this same time.
Carson Pass is open year round but is very snowy. Kirkwood Ski Resort is near Carson. The average Oct. and Nov. snow fall for Kirkwood is 66".
https://snowfall.weatherdb.com/l/13547/Kirkwood-California
Donner Summit is "only" 7075 feet in elevation. I-80 also stays open all winter.
The average date that the snow becomes a "permanent" fixture on the ground (until April, May or June) is November 19. The earliest date is Oct. 24.
http://www.sierracollege.edu/ejournals/jscnhm/v2n1/climatesummary.html
From Wiki:
Winter weather (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather) at Donner Pass can be brutal. At an average of 411.5 inches (10.45 m) per year, Donner Pass is one of the snowiest places in the United States. Four times since 1880 total snowfall at Donner Summit has exceeded 775 inches (19.69 m) and topped 800 inches (20.32 m) in both 1938 and 1952.[14] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donner_Pass#cite_note-SierraSnowfall-14) To take advantage of the heavy snows, the Boreal Ski Resort was built to the north. Ski resorts in the Lake Tahoe (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Tahoe) area report an average of 300 to 500 inches (7.62 to 12.70 m) of snowfall per season. Winds in the pass can also become extreme and wind gusts in excess of 100 miles per hour (160 km/h) are common during winter storms (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_storm). Winter temperatures in the area drop below zero several times each year; the all-time record low for California of −45 °F (−42.8 °C) was recorded at Boca (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boca,_California) (east of Truckee) in January 1937.
The winter of 1846–47 was especially severe, and this is generally cited as the single most important factor in the disaster of the Donner Party (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donner_Party). In the winter of 2010–11, over 700 inches (17.78 m) fell by May 23. Snow depth peaked in early April 2011 with over 250 inches (20.83 ft; 6.35 m) of snow on the ground.[15]" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donner_Pass#cite_note-15)
Lassen National Park gets seriously mega snow.
"Annual snowfall at Lassen National Park is epic, the most recorded in California. At the Lake Helen snow survey site, elevation 8,200 feet, an average annual 660 inches (55 feet) of snow buries the area each winter. Some years more than 1,000 inches (83 feet) of snowfall has been measured there. Despite Lassen’s relatively modest elevation, the heavy snowfall sustains 14 permanent patches of snow in the park.
Lassen Volcanic National Park is the least visited of California’s national parks. Due to deep snow cover the road through the park often isn’t plowed until late June or early July and is closed again by late October."
http://www.tahoedailytribune.com/article/20101014/COMMUNITY/101019946
It is a myth that all the snow in California is on Forester Pass and above 10,000 feet. :)
What a great post. Thank you, I will be referencing this. I am starting to feel like the more information I have the more power I have and do this hike no matter what (excluding extreme conditions)
Just a wild, crazy guess.
CDT.
New Mexico.
SOBO.
Or wait until next year if possible.
PS: DLP, thank you for the detailed information. Very interesting.
Wayne
A very good backup plan. The trend is that my start date just continues to become a distant, far off thing...so yeah.
Shasta Lake is the largest reservoir in California. Google the Wiki page for Shasta Dam and see where it is on the map. The snow on "low" mountains at 5000, 6000, and 7000 ft fill Shasta. These mountains are right in the area where the PCT meets up with the Big Foot Trail. The diversity on the Big Foot Trail is because of snow in the mountains or lack there of in the Redwoods. BTW, isn't the BF trail mostly "route"? I believe that it is several trails strung together via off trail routes. Could be wrong about that... You will want to check.
Much of the tension between Northern and Southern CA is about water. We (Nor Cal) have it. They want it. In California, water falls as snow in Northern California.
I think that it is a very bad time of year to do your first long solo hike. And it WILL be a SOLO hike, because nobody else will be out there. But the weather will either be with you or not. But keep in mind that MOST of the hwys that run over the Sierras close for hundreds and hundreds of miles because of snow. This is the part of California you are planning on hiking. Could close in October or November or December.
Last year, it started snowing in early October and we went into November with some crazy optimistic number like the snow pack was 150% of normal. But then we finished off the year with a snow pack of only 89%. But no idea what the weather will be like this year.
Have fun planning. Be safe.
magic_game03
07-29-2016, 11:20
I highly recommend a stop at Fish Cr./Iva Bell hot springs just south (about 10 miles) of Reds Meadow on the JMT (not PCT). Best hot spring in America and a hidden gem. If the going is cold this is a great place to warm up. The top pools are super hot, the valley to the west makes for beautiful sunsets, and the 10+ mile hike from RM or Mammoth Lks makes it pristine secluded experience.
Much better than Olympic, Cougar, Rainbow, Umpqua, Muir, Bagby, Travertine, Reds Meadow, Sykes, Drakesbad, Conundrum or any of the rest that I've tried.
(My list starts with #1: Iva Bell, #2: Deep Creek, ….)
magic_game03
07-29-2016, 11:27
Hey DLP, shouldn't you be pushing for a TRT. :)
Start at N. Lake. Do the loop ending back at Granite Chief then heading north on the PCT if you feel the weather is in his favor. So many bail out points and access to civilization that it's a safe bet. And should it snow you can go down to town and buy a cheap pair of snow shoes to finish the loop.
Early snow usually has a dry powdery consistency and often forms in small drifts that makes it hard to collect. We don't do light and powdery. We don't call it "Sierra Cement" for nothing. :)
TRT is good if there is no snow. He can start in Tahoe, but he is planning a 60 day solo trip in October and November thru some of the least populated, inaccessible and isolated (not to mention snowiest) parts of California. Nobody can predict the weather 30, 40, or 60 days out.
It is one thing to plan two weeks on the JMT in early October. Planning 1,000 solo miles in 60 days, in October and November, as you first long trip? Can't picture it.
We don't do light and powdery. We don't call it "Sierra Cement" for nothing. :)
TRT is good if there is no snow. He can start in Tahoe, but he is planning a 60 day solo trip in October and November thru some of the least populated, inaccessible and isolated (not to mention snowiest) parts of California. Nobody can predict the weather 30, 40, or 60 days out.
It is one thing to plan two weeks on the JMT in early October. Planning 1,000 solo miles in 60 days, in October and November, as you first long trip? Can't picture it.
Yup, even with tons of prep and research (this very forum itself) I am having trouble picturing it too. Late summer was perfect for me.. :(
But, if I pull it off... then anything is possible.
magic_game03
07-29-2016, 12:38
We don't do light and powdery...
Wow, years of running a winter mountaineering club out of SF to the Sierra's and Cascades and I didn't learn a thing. Yep, you're right- I'm wrong DLP. Forget everything I've said Rybir it's all wrong. DLP knows it all.
Of course we get a variety of snow textures! Some of it is light and fluffy. And some of it is gloppy, heavy and sloppy.
And I agree with you, melting snow for water (no matter the consistency) on a thru hike would be a serious pain.
PS...As a native Californian, I should have known that the water content of the California snowpack is NO JOKING MATTER!!! omg... what was I thinking to bring up such a highly charged, emotional, volatile subject?!?!?! LOLOLOL!
Rumor,
Give serious thought to a bulletproof white gas stove if you find yourself faced with melting much snow. I own 3 and won't leave home without one of them.
Wayne
Old. Slow. "Smarter than the average bear."
Stupid autoincorrect.
Rybir!
Old. Slow. "Smarter than the average bear."
PS... I do apologize and don't want to sound like a know it all.
I also don't want someone to be under the impression that the snow ends in the High Sierras and there is no snow north of Tuolumne Meadows in November.
Have a good weekend!
Well at least this thread has gained traction... haha
Highly doubt anyone here knows much through personal experience of the Big Foot Trail(BFT). I was attracted to the route as a tree hugger(Horticulturalist) and for its remoteness. There is a significant portion of forest road walking from what I gather. I've hiked some of it and did research on it recently as part of a longer hike - Oregon Coast Tr, which I'm thru-hiking now, currently near Blandon going SOBO, Sage Clegg's Japhy Ryder Route - http://sageclegg.com/expeditions/japhy-ryder-route/ , and the Cali Coastal Tr. I'd want to be DONE with the BFT by late Oct/early Nov! as the route follows some remote little used trails that absolutely do experience snowpack. I'd have all the Wilderness Area maps(your 15 days will include) and BFT Guidebook the BFT SITE RECS TOO! http://www.bigfoottrail.org/route/guidebook/
Have fun. Seems you're still not solid on your route. Wish you well.
Highly doubt anyone here knows much through personal experience of the Big Foot Trail(BFT). I was attracted to the route as a tree hugger(Horticulturalist) and for its remoteness. There is a significant portion of forest road walking from what I gather. I've hiked some of it and did research on it recently as part of a longer hike - Oregon Coast Tr, which I'm thru-hiking now, currently near Blandon going SOBO, Sage Clegg's Japhy Ryder Route - http://sageclegg.com/expeditions/japhy-ryder-route/ , and the Cali Coastal Tr. I'd want to be DONE with the BFT by late Oct/early Nov! as the route follows some remote little used trails that absolutely do experience snowpack. I'd have all the Wilderness Area maps(your 15 days will include) and BFT Guidebook the BFT SITE RECS TOO! http://www.bigfoottrail.org/route/guidebook/
Have fun. Seems you're still not solid on your route. Wish you well.
Thank you Dogwood. Yes, the BFT was and hopefully, still is shaping up to be more of an intensive finale to the hike. I have a propensity towards horticulture. You will have to expound (if you'd like) on what type of research you conducted and/or what your profession is. Botany is vaguely my professional path as of now. And I am looking for inspiration and creative ideas everywhere I can find them.
Good luck the rest of your way. How is the Oregon Coastal Trail? You're not too far from Brookings!
Thank you Dogwood. Yes, the BFT was and hopefully, still is shaping up to be more of an intensive finale to the hike. I have a propensity towards horticulture. You will have to expound (if you'd like) on what type of research you conducted and/or what your profession is. Botany is vaguely my professional path as of now. And I am looking for inspiration and creative ideas everywhere I can find them.
Good luck the rest of your way. How is the Oregon Coastal Trail? You're not too far from Brookings!
Formally, I'm a Landscape Architect and Horticulturalist but at heart I'm a tree hugger and plant geek. I got lots of exposure to new plantings including some larger trees, largest in the state of Oregon, on the Oregon Coast Tr. In Port Orford until tomorrow. Only about 4-5 days until I'm done with the OCT. As great as the OCT has been looking forward to the PCT NOBO from Crater Lake NP and the Umpqua River Tr WEBO to Roseburg. I need a change from the wind and sand.
I considered picking up the BFT in Crescent City Cali at the completion of the OCT(it ends near Crescent City). As said, and I'll strongly repeat, for the BFT I would definitely have the BFT trail description of the BFT Guidebook and have the Wilderness Area maps that cover the trail or segments of the trail(ROUTE?) that will be traveled. This is often a remote hike on little used trail, not always seeing much maintenance. I would know how to navigate either through map & compass and /or GPS. I expect you're seeking to pick up the BFT somewhere near Seiad Valley? I'll tell you unequivocally the PCT segment of the BFT will be a navigating luxury compared to some other parts of the BFT!!!
Finalizing my own plans for early September. Investigating the South San Juan Wilderness Area. Thanks MAGS!
The CDT is still looking good. SOBO from Wolf Creek Pass. If you can start in September. 6-8 weeks from there to the border.
What is your latest start window?
Wayne
Finalizing my own plans for early September. Investigating the South San Juan Wilderness Area. Thanks MAGS!
The CDT is still looking good. SOBO from Wolf Creek Pass. If you can start in September. 6-8 weeks from there to the border.
What is your latest start window?
Wayne
Sounds like a solid plan. My latest starting window is actually unrestricted.
Sorry. Should have said what is your current start and finish time window?
Wayne
Old. Slow. "Smarter than the average bear."
Sorry. Should have said what is your current start and finish time window?
Wayne
Old. Slow. "Smarter than the average bear."
Got ya. Start some time early to mid October... finish early to mid December.
Got ya. Start some time early to mid October... finish early to mid December.
Wow, writing that is making me realize original plan is very unlikely because being in NW Cali in late November to December probably won't be too friendly weather wise. Thinking the Arizona Trail is actually becoming a major contender. I have all my resupply info for original plan already put together on a Google Sheet :(..oh well. haha
Wow, writing that is making me realize original plan is very unlikely because being in NW Cali in late November to December probably won't be too friendly weather wise. Thinking the Arizona Trail is actually becoming a major contender. I have all my resupply info for original plan already put together on a Google Sheet :(..oh well. haha
Great problems to have in life haha
colorado_rob
08-16-2016, 16:55
Again, bumping my initial response, why not just start in Yosemite and head south on the JMT/PCT ???? If the weather happens to be lousy right when you start, you can reconsider. But good chance you'll have reasonable weather and you can get through the Sierra before real winter hits, then you're "home free", well, better off anyway.
I cannot believe the AZ trail will be nearly as enjoyable, but I'm basing that on 2nd hand information.
I wrote about the same thing as Rob but it got lost in the inter web someplace.
But. There's always a BUT, hey?
Resupply and seasonal closing of remote tourist businesses. Coupled with the pesky bear can requirements.
Since the good weather windows are about to slam shut for 2016, what happens if you wait for 2017?
Wayne
Old. Slow. "Smarter than the average bear."
Again, bumping my initial response, why not just start in Yosemite and head south on the JMT/PCT ???? If the weather happens to be lousy right when you start, you can reconsider. But good chance you'll have reasonable weather and you can get through the Sierra before real winter hits, then you're "home free", well, better off anyway.
I cannot believe the AZ trail will be nearly as enjoyable, but I'm basing that on 2nd hand information.
This is a good point. I guess I have dismissed this because I hold the assumption that the AZ Trail will be more beautiful, or the NM section of the CDT will be more beautiful. I may definitely be undermining the desert section of the PCT.
I wrote about the same thing as Rob but it got lost in the inter web someplace.
But. There's always a BUT, hey?
Resupply and seasonal closing of remote tourist businesses. Coupled with the pesky bear can requirements.
Since the good weather windows are about to slam shut for 2016, what happens if you wait for 2017?
Wayne
Old. Slow. "Smarter than the average bear."
That is a good question. Waiting is tough because this I currently have a really specific slice of time where I am transitioning to do this. Basically, the time is now (or whenever I can actually just go do it).
colorado_rob
08-17-2016, 09:26
This is a good point. I guess I have dismissed this because I hold the assumption that the AZ Trail will be more beautiful, or the NM section of the CDT will be more beautiful. I may definitely be undermining the desert section of the PCT.I'm just of the opinion that the JMT portion through the Sierra is still doable in October, which blows away pretty much everything anywhere in terms of shear beauty.
Venchka makes a good point though about available resupply services... Are we sure every place is closed in late October (reds, VVR, Muir Ranch, etc)?
I'm just of the opinion that the JMT portion through the Sierra is still doable in October, which blows away pretty much everything anywhere in terms of shear beauty.
Venchka makes a good point though about available resupply services... Are we sure every place is closed in late October (reds, VVR, Muir Ranch, etc)?
In my resupply research, much of them are based on weather and flexible. Reds is fine because I can just hitch its Mammoth Lakes.
In my resupply research, much of them are based on weather and flexible. Reds is fine because I can just hitch its Mammoth Lakes.
Just emailed Muir Ranch too. VVR claims on their website the last day to pick up a resupply package is October 20th.
Just emailed Muir Ranch too. VVR claims on their website the last day to pick up a resupply package is October 20th.
It is interesting to play with the idea of just exploring much of the High Sierras in October on my own. Not many people. Won't worry too much about distance travelled. Then when the time comes I shoot south.
Just emailed Muir Ranch too. VVR claims on their website the last day to pick up a resupply package is October 20th.
Muir Trail last resupply is September 17th.
Muir Trail last resupply is September 17th.
Muir Ranch**
A bump to stay inspired and motivated. :jump
Have you estimated your first food carry south of Yosemite? Or the longest section between food sources?
Just curious. I'm too old to contemplate such things.
Wayne
Old. Slow. "Smarter than the average bear."
Have you estimated your first food carry south of Yosemite? Or the longest section between food sources?
Just curious. I'm too old to contemplate such things.
Wayne
Old. Slow. "Smarter than the average bear."
Yes, and do to it being a large food carry I may consider hitching into Lone Pine, Bishop, Independence, etc... I am realizing that to fit anything over 7 days of food into a bear canister may be impossible.
Yes, and do to it being a large food carry I may consider hitching into Lone Pine, Bishop, Independence, etc... I am realizing that to fit anything over 7 days of food into a bear canister may be impossible.
Depends on the food and the container. In theory, a Bearikade Expedition should hold more than 7 days + the first day that doesn't need to be in the can. Maybe someone with real world experience will shed light on the capacity of the Expedition.
Meanwhile, I have what I believe to be a week's worth of food in a bag that is the same dimensions as the Ursack Major with lots of room leftover.
Someday California may see the light.
Wayne
Old. Slow. "Smarter than the average bear."
colorado_rob
08-22-2016, 11:40
Depends on the food and the container. In theory, a Bearikade Expedition should hold more than 7 days + the first day that doesn't need to be in the can. Maybe someone with real world experience will shed light on the capacity of the Expedition. I can just fit 8 days in a "standard" 700 ci canister (which the Expedition is, right?), but it takes some dense packing skills... like you have to repackage freeze-dried meals (and lots of other items) in zip locks, etc. For reference, I carry about 1.75 pounds of food a day.
Plus, as Wayne says, your first day doesn't need to be in canister, so if you do it right you can carry 8 days, perhaps even 9 (or 10?) on each resupply leg. Come to think of it, my wife and I shared a canister on a 6-day sierra trip (1st day not in canister), meaning 10-people-days in a canister is possible. But really tight. And you have to pack the first couple of days properly right at the top of the canister, because you don't want to have to re-pack out in the field until you have some free volume.
I can just fit 8 days in a "standard" 700 ci canister (which the Expedition is, right?), but it takes some dense packing skills... like you have to repackage freeze-dried meals (and lots of other items) in zip locks, etc. For reference, I carry about 1.75 pounds of food a day.
Plus, as Wayne says, your first day doesn't need to be in canister, so if you do it right you can carry 8 days, perhaps even 9 (or 10?) on each resupply leg. Come to think of it, my wife and I shared a canister on a 6-day sierra trip (1st day not in canister), meaning 10-people-days in a canister is possible. But really tight. And you have to pack the first couple of days properly right at the top of the canister, because you don't want to have to re-pack out in the field until you have some free volume.
Really useful and hard to find knowledge. Thank you. Resupply for me is up in the air considering I may be out there in October. I imagine if I depend on food at stores my ability to pack extra strategically a bear canister may decrease.
I am honestly nervous about being out there in October, but really want to be in the Sierras and NW Cali.
I can't post details for a couple of weeks , but it is possible to cram 9 nights of food into large bear cans.
You want want to choose your food carefully. For example, mac and cheese, with all the little air holes, is bad. Spaghetti is good.
Seven nights of (not too obsessively chosen) food in large can ---> 35973
There are also bear boxes scattered in SEKI. It is possible to begin your hike so that you are camping near the boxes the first few nights. Warning: the bear boxes are not mouse proof and my sister lost a few meals on one trip.
I am honestly nervous about being out there in October, but really want to be in the Sierras and NW Cali.
Ok. You're sticking to the PCT-Bigfoot Trail route? Starting where on the PCT? Assuming seasonal closings of some resupply locations, have you determined how many days of food you will need to carry?
A trick I read online, probably here at WhiteBlaze. After packing the food container, fill the voids, nooks and crannies with Minute Rice or something similar.
Wayne
Old. Slow. "Smarter than the average bear."
Ok. You're sticking to the PCT-Bigfoot Trail route? Starting where on the PCT? Assuming seasonal closings of some resupply locations, have you determined how many days of food you will need to carry?
A trick I read online, probably here at WhiteBlaze. After packing the food container, fill the voids, nooks and crannies with Minute Rice or something similar.
Wayne
Old. Slow. "Smarter than the average bear."
Yes, PCT to Bigfoot. The original plan was to go from Walkers Pass (50.8 miles south of Kennedy Meadows). I am reviewing my resupply strategy and only a few points stick out as possible issues.
1. Kennedy Meadows General Store (this is open into November, so actually this shouldn't be an issue)
2. Tuolomne Meadows (if this is an issue It would be about a 6 day carry from Mammoth Lakes, which is doable)
3. Sonora Pass Hwy 108 (I plan on using the Sonora Pass Resupply service. I called and they said that as long as the roads are clear they keep on delivering into October.
4. Burney Mountain Guest Ranch (This is possibly the second to last resupply until I transfer over to the BFT. I talked to them and they stay open until mid-October, however they are flexible because they live on property.)
Other than those, I will just have to rely on the sure bet larger towns. That definitely isn't ideal because that means more hitching and such. I am not nervous about actual hitching at all. It's more so the unreliability of it and the idea of just standing on the side of a highway for a long time when I could, in fact, be standing on the trail.
BUT, something tells me a less defined trail and concerns about water availability (Arizona Trail or CDT SoBo) would be a bit more stressful than long food carries, possible snow (assuming it's not extreme dump of course) and hitching into town. A great juncture for more conversation WB! Haha
I can't post details for a couple of weeks , but it is possible to cram 9 nights of food into large bear cans.
You want want to choose your food carefully. For example, mac and cheese, with all the little air holes, is bad. Spaghetti is good.
Seven nights of (not too obsessively chosen) food in large can ---> 35973
There are also bear boxes scattered in SEKI. It is possible to begin your hike so that you are camping near the boxes the first few nights. Warning: the bear boxes are not mouse proof and my sister lost a few meals on one trip.
Thank you. Very very comforting to see this. I am really committed to using a bear canister the entire trail if I do PCT to Bigfoot. Maybe I won't need it in the sense of practicality the whole way, but due to having zero experience alone out there I think the mental comforts the canister will provide will go a long way.
Well, maybe starting in October won't be be too troublesome snow wise:
Thoughts about the weather for fall of 2016:
Old Farmer Almanac came out with its Winter Outlook for CA. Colder than normal and dryer than normal. They claim that their forecasts are 80%
The Dweebs agree that the Fall/Winter has a below normal bias for temperatures with the Trof in the West. Arctic air will probably spill west into the Great Basin several times during the late Fall and Winter of 2016/2017. This will bring Mammoth some pretty cold weather at times.
ENSO: With a weak La Nina, there is not much bias in precipitation one way or another. As mentioned before, the MJO has its best effect upon the west coast during “weak” (-.05C) La Nina Winters with a higher probably of AR events. So it may be that most of our precipitation will fall during short period high intensity precip events this winter.
Folklore: Rumors of a wet winter because of what is happening in the Southern Hemisphere is just that……Rumors that have no scientific bases…..Coincidence is not science.
Tuolumne Meadows store closes at Labor Day. Tioga Road stays open later, but store packs up.
Once the roads close mid-November (on average), there's really no hitches. You'll just have to walk to towns.
What is your start date?
From Rybir: "So it may be that most of our precipitation will fall during short period high intensity precip events this winter."
This is how it snows here. It will DUMP snow for a week, and may not snow again for two weeks. We can end November at 200% snow pack and get zero snow in December.
Percipitation + cold = snow.
PS Photo above of bear can shows food for a one week summer hike with an average of 2400 calories a day. That is WAY different from winter thru hiking. Just thought of that.
Tuolumne Meadows store closes at Labor Day. Tioga Road stays open later, but store packs up.
Once the roads close mid-November (on average), there's really no hitches. You'll just have to walk to towns.
What is your start date?
Mid October. So I may start farther north considering the later start date.
PS Photo above of bear can shows food for a one week summer hike with an average of 2400 calories a day. That is WAY different from winter hiking.
How so? More calories burned in the summer?
From Rybir: "So it may be that most of our precipitation will fall during short period high intensity precip events this winter."
This is how it snows here. It will DUMP snow for a week, and may not snow again for two weeks. We can end November at 200% snow pack and get zero snow in December.
Percipitation + cold = snow.
Right, but the good news the forecast is looking (still early) that these snow events will be pushed back into the winter. It could have suggested a fall dump.
colorado_rob
08-24-2016, 11:28
With due respect Rybir, you're doing what I do way too often: Over analyzing! Just pick a spot to hike and go hike. Have a lower-altitude backup plan in case when you start hiking the actual weather forecast, the short-term forecast, is looking bleak.
Relying on a farmers almanac or other hocus-pocus forecasts for longer term planning is downright silly. Just my HO.
Here's an excerpt from a CNN article:
http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/19/living/old-farmers-almanac-weather-accuracy-feat/
"Both (the Old Farmer's Almanac and its competition, the Farmers' Almanac) claim high accuracy rates (around 80 percent) but have never published evidence backing them up. They lack transparency and keep their methods 'closely guarded,' " wrote the Washington Post's Jason Samenow in 2013.
Added Dennis Mersereau of Gawker's "The Vane," "The Old Farmer's Almanac is to meteorology what astrology is to astronomy."
With due respect Rybir, you're doing what I do way too often: Over analyzing! Just pick a spot to hike and go hike. Have a lower-altitude backup plan in case when you start hiking the actual weather forecast, the short-term forecast, is looking bleak.
Relying on a farmers almanac or other hocus-pocus forecasts for longer term planning is downright silly. Just my HO.
Here's an excerpt from a CNN article:
http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/19/living/old-farmers-almanac-weather-accuracy-feat/
"Both (the Old Farmer's Almanac and its competition, the Farmers' Almanac) claim high accuracy rates (around 80 percent) but have never published evidence backing them up. They lack transparency and keep their methods 'closely guarded,' " wrote the Washington Post's Jason Samenow in 2013.
Added Dennis Mersereau of Gawker's "The Vane," "The Old Farmer's Almanac is to meteorology what astrology is to astronomy."
Over-analysis is my forte. I agree with the with the Farmer's Almanac stuff, however I was happier more so to read the ENSO predictions. Thanks for your input.
Yeah. No way to predict October or November's weather.
Last year was El Niņo and we ended the year with less than average snow pack. By the way, there is still snow on Tahoe passes from our low snow year. Dick's Pass, August 7.
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La Niņa... We will get either average snow, more than average, or less than average. Something like that. Get back to me next May and I'll let you know how correct the predictions were. ❄️❄️
I suspect that you will have a ball on the JMT while the weather is good. Hoping you have a lot of common sense in real life.
Got to to stop typing on little phone before I go blind! Have a good week!
Yeah. No way to predict October or November's weather.
Last year was El Niņo and we ended the year with less than average snow pack. By the way, there is still snow on Tahoe passes from our low snow year. Dick's Pass, August 7.
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La Niņa... We will get either average snow, more than average, or less than average. Something like that. Get back to me next May and I'll let you know how correct the predictions were. ❄️❄️
I suspect that you will have a ball on the JMT while the weather is good. Hoping you have a lot of common sense in real life.
Got to to stop typing on little phone before I go blind! Have a good week!
Haha, thank you. Yeah, keep those eyes good for more hiking! Thank you for enlightening me on weather.
Right, but the good news the forecast is looking (still early) that these snow events will be pushed back into the winter. It could have suggested a fall dump.
Dude. October and November is the Sierras IS winter. :)
Dude. October and November is the Sierras IS winter. :)
I will be changing to a 10 degree bag in that case. And a higher fill down jacket :)
Snapshot of Mammoth Lakes hi and lo temps last year. That's a normal year. You can Google October and November.
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Snapshot of Mammoth Lakes hi and lo temps last year. That's a normal year. You can Google October and November.
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holy
smokes.
I currently have a hooded Western Mountaineering Flash Jacket. 3 oz of fill. I think upping to something of at least 6 oz would be necessary for that. I really do not know though. Maybe just great layering with the Flash Hoody would be great.
colorado_rob
08-24-2016, 13:50
holy
smokes. Holy smokes WHAT? You'll be 4 weeks into your hike before that first date shown, hopefully you'll be through the Sierra and into lower ground in late October/early November.
I'd go with the layering thing, keep the flash jacket. I currently take a double-layer outer shell in "shoulder seasons" and a lighter down insulating layer than usual. My double layer outer shell is an OR Helium II jacket at 6.5 ounces, coupled with a Dri-Ducks (AKA Frogg Togg) UL rain jacket at 5.5 ounces, total of 12 ounces, the double layer traps an additional layer of air, and those two jackets over a UL down sweater/jacket (and below that, a microfleece over a smartwool base) makes for excellent warmth, down to well below freezing for camp. Very versatile having so many layers.
Holy smokes WHAT? You'll be 4 weeks into your hike before that first date shown, hopefully you'll be through the Sierra and into lower ground in late October/early November.
I'd go with the layering thing, keep the flash jacket. I currently take a double-layer outer shell in "shoulder seasons" and a lighter down insulating layer than usual. My double layer outer shell is an OR Helium II jacket at 6.5 ounces, coupled with a Dri-Ducks (AKA Frogg Togg) UL rain jacket at 5.5 ounces, total of 12 ounces, the double layer traps an additional layer of air, and those two jackets over a UL down sweater/jacket (and below that, a microfleece over a smartwool base) makes for excellent warmth, down to well below freezing for camp. Very versatile having so many layers.
Holy smokes only at the potential later start date of into mid-October. Yeah, my gut instinct is layering also. Right now I have the Flash Hoody (3 oz 850 down) ... an Icebreaker Aero Half Zip long sleeve (90% merino/10% nylon) and a Feathered Friends Jackorack Windbreaker (3 oz and not too breathable I do not think). All I need to figure out is rain.
Remember. Median date that Tioga Rd, Sonora Pass, and Ebbit Pass close due to snow closures is Nov 10th or 12th. Of course, no way to predict THIS year. Northern CA may be a slow, freezing slog thru the snow or a snow free walk with 60 degree days. No way to tell.
I'm guessing/hoping you will have a blast in early October and get off trail when snow comes.
Oh! And lucky you will be out for hunting season!!!! Wear your orange blaze when you aren't in a National Park.
Really, there's no way you can't wait until next summer?!?!
colorado_rob
08-24-2016, 14:27
Holy smokes only at the potential later start date of into mid-October.I thought you already stated you were, in fact, starting something in mid October. That temperature chart's earliest date was November 11th, about 4 weeks into your hike. Assuming you're still interested in the Sierra, get started there, get as much done as you can before "winter" conditions hit, then in any case, heading into lower ground as fall progresses. If early "winter" sets up in mid-October, just head immediately lower and enjoy those parts. Seems so very simple, but I'll shut up now, in fact, I probably won't post any more on this thread for reasons stated earlier (over analysis of something very simple, IMHO).
Good luck in you endeavor! I might head out there myself in mid-late October to reconnoiter the Sierra High route which my wife and I want to do next late-summer/early fall, and just because I have a 10-14 day window and I love the Sierra in October and a bunch of Southwest miles to use up (free flights).
Peas!
If you leave Kennedy Meadow on October 20, you should hit the lower and warmer temperatures of Northern California to go skiing with me! Bring that 3 oz puffy! Tahoe November 24, 2015. A balmy 4 degrees!
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Okay. Enough from me, too.
colorado_rob
08-24-2016, 15:08
If you leave Kennedy Meadow on October 20, you should hit the lower and warmer temperatures of Northern California to go skiing with me! Bring that 3 oz puffy! Tahoe November 24, 2015. A balmy 4 degrees!
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Okay. Enough from me, too.precisely why it is suggested he go southbound through the Sierra, NOT northbound. Starting at Yosemite, or even south of there and going south has a real good chance of getting through the high ground and on to much lower terrain before "winter".
Exactly what Rob said.
If I were to design a trip with TONS of diversity...
Take AMTRAK into Yosemite Valley and get a walk up permit for JMT.
After JMT, head up to Reno and do TRT. (If winter is late in coming).
Head out to coast and spend 3,4 or 5 days at Pt. Reyes. (You'll need reservations and Pt Reyes rangers are not very flexible at all :( ).
Maybe a night on Angel Island in SF Bay. AI Rangers are more flexible and will give you group or ADA site, if available.
Head up North and explore Coastal trails and Redwoods and Big Foot.
This is all weather dependent, of course.
I just can't see a 1,000 solo thru from Mid October to mid December, for most anybody. You just don't have the skills nor equipment. But I CAN see an incredible couple months in CA, if you are willing to be flexible. ;)
And throw in a trip to Death Valley, before coming out to the coast. :)
And you didn't even mention the other two National Parks south of Yosemite.
Wayne
Old. Slow. "Smarter than the average bear."
Yeah, a lot to think about still. But, if I pull off the 1000 solo that would be nice.
I am not necessarily seeking pleasure out there, nor anything, but to just walk.
It might be nice to have trail under your feet, water to drink and a reasonable shot at "1000 solo".
When Mr. Fletcher embarked upon his 1,000 Mile Summer, he had pieced together a route, cached supplies and most definitely hiked solo. Actually, the whole undertaking was done solo. No internet required.
Wayne
Old. Slow. "Smarter than the average bear."
It might be nice to have trail under your feet, water to drink and a reasonable shot at "1000 solo".
When Mr. Fletcher embarked upon his 1,000 Mile Summer, he had pieced together a route, cached supplies and most definitely hiked solo. Actually, the whole undertaking was done solo. No internet required.
Wayne
Old. Slow. "Smarter than the average bear."
Not sure who Mr. Fletcher is. But yeah, I think for a first time hiker a reliable trail and water sources will be helpful. I do think, based on how the Arizona Trail has developed, that it would provide me reliable trail. Also, in their summer newsletter they had a feature on a trail angel. The force seems to be strong out there. Pretty sure the AZ is my official backup plan now. I looked at the Grand Enchantment and it just seems like a lot of logistical work.
Just to note I do have experience travelling solo (biking South Georgia, backpacking San Fran, few days in Barcelona, and Central Turkey)... So that solo compass within is strong haha. But, I do lack the hiking experience, hence my activity on WB to the lead up of the first step on the trail.
My first "solo" hike was on the TRT. I saw 35 people a day. :) I was so not alone!
Another option: All of the trailhead parking lots in SEKI and Yosemite are ringed with bear boxes. It is often logistically easier to leave X number of days resupply (mouse proofed, labeled, etc) in a bear box in the parking lot. Go out and explore for 10 days and come back get your resupply and go back out (weather permitting) and explore in another direction.
But it seems like you are committed to some sort of thru. Best wishes!
The more I put thought into it the more I am realizing the desert is the better fit for me considering the circumstances I really am still not sure when I can actually get out there. As things come down to the wire it is actually feeling stressful, almost like I have to get out to the Sierras before this specific date. An unnecessary pressure.
In doing the desert I won't have to race out to the trail prematurely. I won't have to worry about as much high elevation during winter conditions as I would the Sierras. I will have more daylight as I hike with autumn. I won't be so reliant on long hitches into town where I would probably end up spending more time than I'd like in town.
I've been researching this: AZT SOBO starting from Page, AZ (or honestly just the Grand Canyon if logistically and financially it is better)...then switching over to the Grand Enchantment Trail SE of Phoenix and taking it all the way to Albuquerque. It comes out to over 1k miles (parts of the AZT and GET do overlap). This would definitely fulfill my original goal of sixty days.
The main issues would be water and navigation on the GET (the AZ trail released a GPS app last year similar to ones used on the PCT, etc..). I won't rely on the GPS app, but will be comforted in knowing it's in my arsenal.
I am directing this towards Colorado Rob and Venchka since they have been wisely presenting the desert to me so consistently since the start of this thread.
What are the hazards of being out in AZ and NM, say as late into December? I am thinking one hazard would be being on some of the higher passes of 10k feet in NM.
Thank you everybody!
oh, and p.s.
My mind became so attached to the mountains and the original plan that I overlooked the beauty of AZ and NM. It looks sick out there.
oh, and p.s.
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AZ and NM. It looks sick out there.
Oh please.
I'm clueless about the GET. Perhaps Dogwood will shed some light on the trail.
Google Colin Fletcher.
Wayne
Old. Slow. "Smarter than the average bear."
Oh please.
I'm clueless about the GET. Perhaps Dogwood will shed some light on the trail.
Google Colin Fletcher.
Wayne
Old. Slow. "Smarter than the average bear."
Haha, yes, please. Dogwood. We SUMMON YOU!
I did learn that the GET passes by the Gila Cliff Dwellings National Monument. If the trail is also following the CDT Gila River Alternate route you won't want to be wading the river in November.
Something to investigate.
Did you find Mr. Fletcher online?
Wayne
Old. Slow. "Smarter than the average bear."
I did learn that the GET passes by the Gila Cliff Dwellings National Monument. If the trail is also following the CDT Gila River Alternate route you won't want to be wading the river in November.
Something to investigate.
Did you find Mr. Fletcher online?
Wayne
Old. Slow. "Smarter than the average bear."
Something to look into. I have so much new planning to do it is unreal. And fun.
I did look him up. Inspirational.
You could probably get his books from your library and/or inter library loan.
Well worth reading.
Wayne
Old. Slow. "Smarter than the average bear."
Anticipate/plan for being out of the High Sierra by mid Oct latest knowing it will be cold(likely below freezing at night) with a rising risk of heavier(not melted away in a day or to, accumulating snow) deeper into Oct one goes. Sept into early Oct is my favorite time to be in the Sierra when prepared for the rising possibilities of cold and snow that doesn't quickly melt. Also, one must account for reduced services into Oct. WHY? They know when to close up shop because of rising risks of snow and cold.
BTW, late Sept through first 3 wks of Oct you should be encountering PCT SOBOers.
Exactly what Rob said.
If I were to design a trip with TONS of diversity...
Take AMTRAK into Yosemite Valley and get a walk up permit for JMT.
After JMT, head up to Reno and do TRT. (If winter is late in coming).
Head out to coast and spend 3,4 or 5 days at Pt. Reyes. (You'll need reservations and Pt Reyes rangers are not very flexible at all :( ).
Maybe a night on Angel Island in SF Bay. AI Rangers are more flexible and will give you group or ADA site, if available.
Head up North and explore Coastal trails and Redwoods and Big Foot.
This is all weather dependent, of course.
I just can't see a 1,000 solo thru from Mid October to mid December, for most anybody. You just don't have the skills nor equipment. But I CAN see an incredible couple months in CA, if you are willing to be flexible. ;)
There ya go. It's what I'm doing/did this summer and fall. If getting a late start which seems is what is happening with your agenda head to the OR and CA coasts. You can bag the Lost Coast Tr, some Redwood NP stuff, and some OR Coast Tr sites. You'll be by yourself getting the solitude you crave doing most of that stuff.
Haha, yes, please. Dogwood. We SUMMON YOU!
The Grand Enchantment Trail is not something I rec for you at this time with your quickly arising GO DATE although you can check at Blisterfree's GET site to check out the lower elev(western segments) involving portions of the Supertstitions and overlapping AZT and possibly CDT segments. In the end you have to pick a hike IF IF you're not going to let this hiking opp pass you by. Much good info and suggestions have been shared.
The Grand Enchantment Trail is not something I rec for you at this time with your quickly arising GO DATE although you can check at Blisterfree's GET site to check out the lower elev(western segments) involving portions of the Supertstitions and overlapping AZT and possibly CDT segments. In the end you have to pick a hike IF IF you're not going to let this hiking opp pass you by. Much good info and suggestions have been shared.
Good info. My go date may not actually be until mid-October, therefore I was thinking if I start now I can recalibrate and plan properly for AZ Trail and GET.
Maybe what was also being suggested was that the higher elevation on the eastern part of the GET would not be good come November/December. The elevation profile does get gnarly farther east you go on it.